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Also it's important to look at the time-scales involved. In the course of just this century, we're looking at potentially hundreds of millions of Africans coming into Europe, radically transforming it forever. Indo-Aryans took not one, not two, but tens of centuries to lose their identity (and in fact, even today many Indians identify racially and spiritually as Aryan, so it's not completely gone). I don't think it's realistic to imagine that over the course of thousands of years a people can stay 100% racially pure (or that this is even a desirable goal). Jews had lots of converts over the centuries who were "ger". What is important is that Jews maintained a sense of themselves as a distinct people and kept their religious and cultural continuity. What happens to Europeans 4,000 years from now is hard to say, but I'm mostly concerned with the next century; the task ahead of us is challenging enough: we need to instill a non-Christian, Aryan racial/religious identity into the various European ethnicities so they can preserve their distinctiveness in the face of the onslaught of globalism. I want Germans, Italians, Frenchmen, Spaniards, etc.. to be able to maintain a sense of themselves like Jews have done. Quote:
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One potential positive of globalism and a loss of racial/religious distinctiveness among peoples is that wars would probably go away since there's nothing to fight for, or at least the attention would shift to other things like class warfare, etc... Even still, I don't think we want to be assimilated into a global Borg and lose our identities just so that we lessen the chance of wars. Quote:
Look, we have the same goal, namely preserving the biological as well as cultural continuity of the various European ethnicities. I believe instilling a racial/religious Aryan identity that is distinct from the universalist Semitism of Christianity is the path forward.
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Christianity is routinely accused of being "anti-semitic", and Christians have been fighting against Judaism ever since the Pharisees killed Christ and stoned Stephen, the first martyr. The Christian Church fathers were overwhelmingly anti-Jew.
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Nobody denies that the period of greatest expansion for Europe precisely coincided with Christendom. The Roman Catholics and Eastern Orthodox successfully fought against Muslim aggression for centuries. It is also undeniable that the Roman Catholic Papacy and the Benedictine Order were the single largest contributors to the spread of science and learning in Medieval Europe. Universities were all originally ecclesiastical institutions, and the use of Latin as a lingua franca in Europe allowed rapid exchange of intellectual knowledge between countries formerly isolated by their own dialects. Christianity is no more inherently pro-Semitic than it is anti-scientific. The further back in Christian history you go, the more clear becomes the anti-Jewish sentiment among Christians. It's not possible to argue that Christianity is "inherently" anti-white or pro-Jew, therefore. These phenomena are modern aberrations of a much older tradition. Christianity is no more inherently "anti-white" than America, and the same pattern can be seen in both cases: America was openly pro-white and anti-Jew for most of its history, only reversing this polarity in recent decades. It is true that Christianity is universalist, but it is not true that Judaism is exclusive to a "Jewish race". Judaism includes a wide variety of ethnic bloodlines, including Mizrahi Jews from Arabia, Sephardic Jews from Spain, and Ethiopian Jews, in addition to the Ashkenazim Jews of Europe. All of these Jewish races are separate from whites, but that does not make them identical with one another. Ironically, Israel has witnessed a great deal of conflict between its various "Jewish" races over the years. Christian universalism never implied the "melting pot" ideology being pushed by many modern Protestant and Catholic clergy. This was well known even among Protestant clergy within the 20th century: Quote:
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Even if Christianity did wonders for our race in the past (spoiler alert: it didn't), and even if Christianity can serve as an effective wellspring for anti-Semitism and racial segregation in the modern age (spoiler alert: it can't), Christianity has two fatal flaws: Firstly, we don't want a Bible that was written by, for, and about Jews to be our sacred text; and secondly, we don't want our religion to be for everyone.
Christianity is Semitic and universalist to the core. These two facts alone mean it can't serve as our race's religion. Christian apologists can have their Jewish Savior on a stick, Aryans are going their own way. As to the spoiler alerts, the apologists have made the same tired arguments that have been refuted by Linder and VNNers countless times. There is a kernal of truth to their arguments: yes, in a few instances Christians from disparate regions of Europe came together to fight off a foreign foe, the best example being the battle of Vienna when Poles came to the aid of Germans to fend off the Ottomans; but this was rare. Generally speaking, nations were on their own when it came to fighting off Muslims or Mongols, and the Thirty Years' War proves Christianity was actually detrimental to promoting racial unity. Likewise, it's true science was birthed in the context of Christian Europe; but this was in spite of Christianity, rather than because of Christianity. Christianity couldn't keep the best of us down, despite the best efforts of the priestly profession. But this is neither here nor there; even if the apologists are correct in asserting that Christianity was responsible for propelling our race to the top of the food chain, the reality is today our race is on its last legs. And unless we find a racial religion to supplant the universalist Semitism of Christianity, our race won't be around much longer.
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You aren't particularly interested in the historical debate on whether Christianity has been beneficial for whites or not, so I won't delve into that; instead, I'll address your primary concern: "Christianity is Semitic and universalist to the core."
Christianity definitely originated in a Semitic context, but it rapidly incorporated gentile rituals and beliefs. The Trinity, for instance, is totally alien to the Semitic mind (hence the reason Islam rejected it), but it is found constantly throughout European paganism. Similarly, the Christian cult of Mary evolved out of Ephesian veneration for Artemis: Quote:
Christian universalism does not need to imply miscegenation or white genocide, as shown by the fact that it has been used to justify racial segregation. You have ignored my citation of “Is Segregation Scriptural?”; therefore, I can only assume you have no answer to give. Furthermore, your argument that Christianity is both Semitic and universalist contradicts itself. The Semitic Jews were (and are) extremely ethnocentric, as shown by repeated injunctions against interracial marriage throughout the Old Testament. Perhaps the clearest example is from the Book of Tobit: Quote:
You appear to believe that some form of racialist Aryan paganism may become accepted by the majority of white people and serve to defeat the anti-white genocide on-going in the West. I see no reason to hope for this. Quote:
Rather than attempt to convert the white world to Aryan paganism, I think a more realistic approach is to incorporate Aryan paganism into Christianity. This has been done in the past, as I've shown above, and it can be done again. |
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I'm personally not a fan of religions that require you to believe things. I think the weak-willed delude themselves into believing whatever the priestly caste tells them to, while the strong-willed protest that if you want them to believe something, prove it.
We don't want a race of weak-willed folks brow-beaten into paying lip service to a priestly caste, which is actually why I'm most concerned about the latest religion to have overtaken our peoples, the successor to Christianity, namely secular humanism (the belief that everyone is created equal and endowed with inalienable rights, one of which is apparently the right to become a citizen of Sweden and descendant of Vikings). Don't get me wrong, I'm actually a softy when it comes to seeing humans or animals or the environment suffer, and I think we are all obligated to do our part to help out others and ameliorate suffering. I just don't believe the religion of secular humanism is the right prism in which to view things and minimize suffering and environmental degradation. Understanding, all the while acknowledging that our understanding is necessarily faulty and incomplete, takes precedence to believing (I talk more about this here), at least for Aryans. Note: as far as paganism goes, I do believe our pagan ancestors were more Aryan in their outlook, less concerned with heretical beliefs, than their Christian successors; but we can't go back to paganism in the modern age: that ship has sailed. I realize this doesn't address your arguments, and I'll probably take a closer look and address them in a later post since you seem to have some good arguments, but I'll just finish here by observing that most racially European folks are no longer even really Christian, having moved on to the religion of secular humanism; so I think if you want to incorporate Aryan elements into a Semitic religion, best to do it to secular humanism; but really, why attempt such a Franken-beast when our peoples yearn to be set free from their Semitic bondage by pure, unadulterated Aryanism.
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I follow quite a few European rightwingers on Youtube and various other sites, I don´t recollect any of them ever mentioning christianty in a positive way, let alone promote it.
Christianity in Europe, in particular protestantism, is firmly in the hands of very strange bland leftists, especially young protestant women tend to be the exact same types who are attracted to green marxism and refugees welcome activism.
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As Christianity was being formulated, Paul and a few others made it a point to inject non-Jewish elements to make it more palatable and easier for the goyim to convert; they didn't have to keep kosher, etc... they just had to believe Jesus would be your Savior if you believed in Him, describing Him as the Son of God. And they were pissed that Jews hadn't taken to Jesus, so they made Jews into the enemy of the story. They purposefully designed Christianity to be as universalist as possible, albeit somewhat anti-Jewish you could argue, although modern Judeo-Christians would beg to differ. But come on, the birth and founding of Christianity was Jewish to the core, and it was fucking Jews who introduced the anti-Jewish elements because they were pissed off at the mainstream Jews for rejecting Jesus; the whole enterpise was Semitic to the core. (Much later on goys tried to make sense of things by introducing stuff like the doctrine of the Trinity, but to say this negates the Semitic foundation of Christianity is like putting the cherry on top of a sundae and calling it a fruit salad.) You claim it's a contradiction: Quote:
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So here's the problem. Let's say your racial comrade declares he stops believing, while you remain a devout Christian. Now a black dude claims he loves Jesus and talks all the kool-aid with you. Who are you going to side with: your atheist racial kin, or your black Christian friend? Who is your devout sister going to marry, the white atheist or the black Christian? Who is going to tell your black Christian friend he can't seek refuge in your Christian nation? Religion, by definition, trumps all else. If you want to prioritize the race, you have to make it foundational to your religion. That's what Jews did, and it's why they're still around.
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Perhaps if T. Garrett were still a moderator, this maggot would be history.
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Both New and Old Testaments reiterate that the nations were divided by God and the Apocalypse of St. John confirms that the nations and tribes God has made remain distinct through the end of time. Thus, the case can be, has been, is, and will continue to be made by Christians that miscegenation disturbs the natural order of creation: Quote:
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But let me tell you the Good News, brother. We've got something all our own that has nothing to do with Jews. Even better, it doesn't require that you believe in stuff like the Abrahamic religions require. Of course, if you need your religious beliefs to keep you happy, that's fine, but it's not Aryan. Aryans leave religion to the Semites and go our own way with understanding and not understanding (see here). Quote:
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You have already admitted that Christianity is fundamentally different from Judaism:
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You are also not answering my question of whites who are disloyal to their race, so let me ask another way: if you see a white man starving on the street with his black wife and brown kids, do you help that man out or not? If not, you are failing to side with your racial comrade, something you accuse Christians of. Finally, you affirm we must "strive to be Aryan", and follow "the race-soul", "birthright", and "heritage". If you mean that we are born with a heritable law which we should follow, then the Apostle Paul would agree. Quote:
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It's like listening to a bunch of catamites argue over the best way to suck a dick.
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You can try to twist anything to say it is "Christian", but suffice it to say Aryanism is not compatible with Christianity (or any religion); Aryan or Christian, you can't be both.
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I just happened to be channel surfing on jewlevision and found Paula White Cain. She's married to Jonathan Cain, formerly of the rock band Journey.
I'm not a woman hater (I've had three wives and innumerable girl friends/lovers): however, let's look at "pastor Paula's" achievements, shall we? Quote:
"Pastor Paula" has been married three times. So much for "no divorce." I'm three times married. However, I don't have a megachurch telling people to pray about giving lots of bucks to support my lifestyle. With pale people like "pastor Paula," the White race has lots of enemies. And, lest I forget: Quote:
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Anyway, I appreciate your willingness to exchange thoughts with me on this. You've been very respectful and fair in your tone. |
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