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Old January 25th, 2020 #21
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Supposed "Aryanism" was never a racial religion. At best, the caste system of India hadn't prevented White people from almost complete assimilation and disappearance among billions of sub-humans of dravid race.
The "Dasas" weren't sub-humans, were they really inferior to the Indo-Aryans who arrived in Northern India 4,000 years ago, considering they ultimately assimilated them in the end? Who is to say who is inferior and superior? What we can say is that in the here and now, Aryans prioritize the preservation of our racial and ethnic heritages.

Also it's important to look at the time-scales involved. In the course of just this century, we're looking at potentially hundreds of millions of Africans coming into Europe, radically transforming it forever. Indo-Aryans took not one, not two, but tens of centuries to lose their identity (and in fact, even today many Indians identify racially and spiritually as Aryan, so it's not completely gone).

I don't think it's realistic to imagine that over the course of thousands of years a people can stay 100% racially pure (or that this is even a desirable goal). Jews had lots of converts over the centuries who were "ger". What is important is that Jews maintained a sense of themselves as a distinct people and kept their religious and cultural continuity.

What happens to Europeans 4,000 years from now is hard to say, but I'm mostly concerned with the next century; the task ahead of us is challenging enough: we need to instill a non-Christian, Aryan racial/religious identity into the various European ethnicities so they can preserve their distinctiveness in the face of the onslaught of globalism. I want Germans, Italians, Frenchmen, Spaniards, etc.. to be able to maintain a sense of themselves like Jews have done.

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Other religious branches of Indoeuropean people such as Roman pagans were fully multicultural, importing gods and myths across the whole Mediterranean area, forcing local semitic an african tribes to accept Roman gods, allowing faggotry.
Not sure about the faggotry, but I believe the multi-culturalism you speak of eroded a sense of Roman ethnic identity that led to Rome's demise; "Roman" became like "American" is today, and so no one was willing to fight and die for "Rome" and that's why today no one identitifes as Roman.

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There was no such thing as a European unity before Christianity, all white tribes were into mutual feuds and it had no difference to kill a person from neighboring white folk, tribe or other race.
Yeah, even Christianity had a hard time unifying Europeans, and you could argue Christianity did more to cause divisions and feuds than unify. Look, I think it's utopian to believe that Aryanism will be able to unify everyone and we'll all live in peace and harmony. No, I think even if all Europeans identified as Aryan, they'd still fight amongst one another since they have their distinctive ethnic identities.

One potential positive of globalism and a loss of racial/religious distinctiveness among peoples is that wars would probably go away since there's nothing to fight for, or at least the attention would shift to other things like class warfare, etc... Even still, I don't think we want to be assimilated into a global Borg and lose our identities just so that we lessen the chance of wars.


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You're proposing for people in XXI century to accept invented religious views that barely existed 4-5 centuries ago. It's an absurd and illogical goal, even secular nationalism makes greater since. You're one rejecting Christianity, while this religion was a basis for anti-semitic pogroms during last two centuries, until it was completely replaced by pro-jewish priests, sects and artificial, absurd "jew-Christian unity".
So you want to bring Christianity back, but have it be the "good" kind where it serves as a basis for anti-Semitism and racism? Even though Christianity is inherently Semitic and anti-racist? Good luck with that.

Look, we have the same goal, namely preserving the biological as well as cultural continuity of the various European ethnicities. I believe instilling a racial/religious Aryan identity that is distinct from the universalist Semitism of Christianity is the path forward.
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Old January 25th, 2020 #22
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Christianity is routinely accused of being "anti-semitic", and Christians have been fighting against Judaism ever since the Pharisees killed Christ and stoned Stephen, the first martyr. The Christian Church fathers were overwhelmingly anti-Jew.

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The custom of circumcising the flesh, handed down from Abraham, was given to you as a distinguishing mark, to set you off from other nations and from us Christians. The purpose of this was that you and only you might suffer the afflictions that are now justly yours; that only your land be desolated, and you cities ruined by fire, that the fruits of you land be eaten by strangers before your very eyes; that not one of you be permitted to enter your city of Jerusalem. Your circumcision of the flesh is the only mark by which you can certainly be distinguished from other men…as I stated before it was by reason of your sins and the sins of your fathers that, among other precepts, God imposed upon you the observence of the sabbath as a mark. (Justin Martyr - Dialogue with Trypho [Between 138 A.D. and 161 A.D.])
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The synagogue is worse than a brothel…it is the den of scoundrels and the repair of wild beasts…the temple of demons devoted to idolatrous cults…the refuge of brigands and dabauchees, and the cavern of devils. It is a criminal assembly of Jews…a place of meeting for the assassins of Christ… a house worse than a drinking shop…a den of thieves, a house of ill fame, a dwelling of iniquity, the refuge of devils, a gulf and a abyss of perdition."…"I would say the same things about their souls… As for me, I hate the synagogue…I hate the Jews for the same reason. (John Chrysostom [344-407 A.D.])
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Origen said in 230: "And therefore the blood of Jesus falls not only on the Jews of that time, but on all generations of Jews up to the end of the world." Augustine said in 425: "The Jews are dispersed through all nations as witnesses to their iniquity and of our truth." As late as 1208 Pope Innocent III referred to "the Jews, against whom the blood of Jesus Christ calls out", while Pope Paul IV referred in 1555 to "Jews - whose own guilt has consigned them to perpetual servitude". (https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/l...film-1.1134077)
You are confusing modern Protestantism with "Christianity". If you spend time with Eastern Orthodox or traditionalist Catholics, you will find a very different perspective on the Jews.

Nobody denies that the period of greatest expansion for Europe precisely coincided with Christendom. The Roman Catholics and Eastern Orthodox successfully fought against Muslim aggression for centuries. It is also undeniable that the Roman Catholic Papacy and the Benedictine Order were the single largest contributors to the spread of science and learning in Medieval Europe. Universities were all originally ecclesiastical institutions, and the use of Latin as a lingua franca in Europe allowed rapid exchange of intellectual knowledge between countries formerly isolated by their own dialects.

Christianity is no more inherently pro-Semitic than it is anti-scientific. The further back in Christian history you go, the more clear becomes the anti-Jewish sentiment among Christians. It's not possible to argue that Christianity is "inherently" anti-white or pro-Jew, therefore. These phenomena are modern aberrations of a much older tradition. Christianity is no more inherently "anti-white" than America, and the same pattern can be seen in both cases: America was openly pro-white and anti-Jew for most of its history, only reversing this polarity in recent decades.

It is true that Christianity is universalist, but it is not true that Judaism is exclusive to a "Jewish race". Judaism includes a wide variety of ethnic bloodlines, including Mizrahi Jews from Arabia, Sephardic Jews from Spain, and Ethiopian Jews, in addition to the Ashkenazim Jews of Europe. All of these Jewish races are separate from whites, but that does not make them identical with one another. Ironically, Israel has witnessed a great deal of conflict between its various "Jewish" races over the years.

Christian universalism never implied the "melting pot" ideology being pushed by many modern Protestant and Catholic clergy. This was well known even among Protestant clergy within the 20th century:

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Now, notice – this is an important verse – the twenty-sixth verse of the seventeenth chapter of the Acts of the Apostles, “And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth” (in some of the best original manuscripts, the word “blood” is not there; but it is not important anyhow, because the thoughts are the same). “And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth…” But do not stop there, “…and hath determined the times appointed, and the bounds of their habitation.” Now, what does that say? That says that God Almighty fixed the bounds of their habitation. That is as clear as anything that was ever said. (Bob Jones Sr., 1960, “Is Segregation Scriptural?”)
Protestantism was predominant in the South at the time of that quote, and Bob Jones Sr. was one of its most prominent figures. He founded and was first president of Bob Jones University in Greenville, South Carolina, among other things. Southern Baptists are routinely excoriated by Jews and liberals for supporting segregation in the South because of their steadfast resistance to race-mixing.

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God is the author of segregation and racial separation. Our grandfathers rightly believed that those who rebelled against racial separation rebelled against God Himself, the Author of those boundaries. (Thorin Reynolds, 2013, Is Segregation Scriptural?, http://faithandheritage.com/2013/08/...on-scriptural/)
 
Old January 25th, 2020 #23
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Even if Christianity did wonders for our race in the past (spoiler alert: it didn't), and even if Christianity can serve as an effective wellspring for anti-Semitism and racial segregation in the modern age (spoiler alert: it can't), Christianity has two fatal flaws: Firstly, we don't want a Bible that was written by, for, and about Jews to be our sacred text; and secondly, we don't want our religion to be for everyone.

Christianity is Semitic and universalist to the core. These two facts alone mean it can't serve as our race's religion. Christian apologists can have their Jewish Savior on a stick, Aryans are going their own way.

As to the spoiler alerts, the apologists have made the same tired arguments that have been refuted by Linder and VNNers countless times. There is a kernal of truth to their arguments: yes, in a few instances Christians from disparate regions of Europe came together to fight off a foreign foe, the best example being the battle of Vienna when Poles came to the aid of Germans to fend off the Ottomans; but this was rare. Generally speaking, nations were on their own when it came to fighting off Muslims or Mongols, and the Thirty Years' War proves Christianity was actually detrimental to promoting racial unity.

Likewise, it's true science was birthed in the context of Christian Europe; but this was in spite of Christianity, rather than because of Christianity. Christianity couldn't keep the best of us down, despite the best efforts of the priestly profession.

But this is neither here nor there; even if the apologists are correct in asserting that Christianity was responsible for propelling our race to the top of the food chain, the reality is today our race is on its last legs. And unless we find a racial religion to supplant the universalist Semitism of Christianity, our race won't be around much longer.
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Old February 13th, 2020 #24
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You aren't particularly interested in the historical debate on whether Christianity has been beneficial for whites or not, so I won't delve into that; instead, I'll address your primary concern: "Christianity is Semitic and universalist to the core."

Christianity definitely originated in a Semitic context, but it rapidly incorporated gentile rituals and beliefs. The Trinity, for instance, is totally alien to the Semitic mind (hence the reason Islam rejected it), but it is found constantly throughout European paganism. Similarly, the Christian cult of Mary evolved out of Ephesian veneration for Artemis:

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Tradition states that the most popular Olympian deities are Apollo, Athena, Zeus and Dionysius. These divinities played key roles in the communal, political and ritual development of the Greco-Roman world. This work suggests that this deeply entrenched scholarly tradition is fissured with misunderstandings of Greek and Ephesian popular culture, and provides evidence that clearly suggests Artemis is the most prevalent and influential goddess of the Mediterranean, with roots embedded in the community and culture of this area that can be traced further back in time than even the arrival of the Greeks. In fact, Artemis’ reign is so fundamental to the cultural
identity of her worshippers that even when facing the onslaught of early Christianity, she could not be deposed. Instead, she survived the conquering of this new religion under the guise of Mary, Mother of Jesus. (“THE ENDURING GODDESS: Artemis and Mary, Mother of Jesus”, Carla Ionescu, https://yorkspace.library.yorku.ca/x...=2&isAllowed=y)
Entire books have been written arguing that the Eucharist was borrowed from existing gentile paganism and even Jesus Christ himself is a re-appropriation of Bacchus. It's not really accurate to dismiss Christianity as "Semitic" in light of these facts.

Christian universalism does not need to imply miscegenation or white genocide, as shown by the fact that it has been used to justify racial segregation. You have ignored my citation of “Is Segregation Scriptural?”; therefore, I can only assume you have no answer to give.

Furthermore, your argument that Christianity is both Semitic and universalist contradicts itself. The Semitic Jews were (and are) extremely ethnocentric, as shown by repeated injunctions against interracial marriage throughout the Old Testament. Perhaps the clearest example is from the Book of Tobit:

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Beware of all whoredom, my son, and chiefly take a wife of the seed of thy fathers, and take not a strange woman to wife, which is not of thy father’s tribe: for we are the children of the prophets, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob: remember, my son, that our fathers from the beginning, even that they all married wives of their own kindred, and were blessed in their children, and their seed shall inherit the land. (Tobit 4:12)
The situation is similar with neo-paganism. Some neo-pagans are pro-white racialists, while others are far-left anti-racists. The difference is not in the religion itself but in your interpretation of it.

You appear to believe that some form of racialist Aryan paganism may become accepted by the majority of white people and serve to defeat the anti-white genocide on-going in the West. I see no reason to hope for this.

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An estimated 405 million people – or about 6% of the world’s population – were adherents of folk or traditional religions in 2010, and that number is expected to grow to 450 million by 2050. This increase will not keep pace with overall population growth, however, and the folk religion population is expected to drop to roughly 5% of the total world population in the decades ahead. (Pew Research Center, https://www.pewforum.org/2015/04/02/...olk-religions/)
That same article does provide some ray of hope, however. It notes that Christians, Muslims, and other members of the major religions often incorporate elements of traditional ethnic religions into their lives.

Rather than attempt to convert the white world to Aryan paganism, I think a more realistic approach is to incorporate Aryan paganism into Christianity. This has been done in the past, as I've shown above, and it can be done again.
 
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I'm personally not a fan of religions that require you to believe things. I think the weak-willed delude themselves into believing whatever the priestly caste tells them to, while the strong-willed protest that if you want them to believe something, prove it.

We don't want a race of weak-willed folks brow-beaten into paying lip service to a priestly caste, which is actually why I'm most concerned about the latest religion to have overtaken our peoples, the successor to Christianity, namely secular humanism (the belief that everyone is created equal and endowed with inalienable rights, one of which is apparently the right to become a citizen of Sweden and descendant of Vikings).

Don't get me wrong, I'm actually a softy when it comes to seeing humans or animals or the environment suffer, and I think we are all obligated to do our part to help out others and ameliorate suffering. I just don't believe the religion of secular humanism is the right prism in which to view things and minimize suffering and environmental degradation.

Understanding, all the while acknowledging that our understanding is necessarily faulty and incomplete, takes precedence to believing (I talk more about this here), at least for Aryans. Note: as far as paganism goes, I do believe our pagan ancestors were more Aryan in their outlook, less concerned with heretical beliefs, than their Christian successors; but we can't go back to paganism in the modern age: that ship has sailed.

I realize this doesn't address your arguments, and I'll probably take a closer look and address them in a later post since you seem to have some good arguments, but I'll just finish here by observing that most racially European folks are no longer even really Christian, having moved on to the religion of secular humanism; so I think if you want to incorporate Aryan elements into a Semitic religion, best to do it to secular humanism; but really, why attempt such a Franken-beast when our peoples yearn to be set free from their Semitic bondage by pure, unadulterated Aryanism.
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I'm personally not a fan of religions that require you to believe things. I think the weak-willed delude themselves into believing whatever the priestly caste tells them to, while the strong-willed protest that if you want them to believe something, prove it.

We don't want a race of weak-willed folks brow-beaten into paying lip service to a priestly caste, which is actually why I'm most concerned about the latest religion to have overtaken our peoples, the successor to Christianity, namely secular humanism (the belief that everyone is created equal and endowed with inalienable rights, one of which is apparently the right to become a citizen of Sweden and descendant of Vikings).
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I follow quite a few European rightwingers on Youtube and various other sites, I don´t recollect any of them ever mentioning christianty in a positive way, let alone promote it.

Christianity in Europe, in particular protestantism, is firmly in the hands of very strange bland leftists, especially young protestant women tend to be the exact same types who are attracted to green marxism and refugees welcome activism.
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You aren't particularly interested in the historical debate on whether Christianity has been beneficial for whites or not, so I won't delve into that; instead, I'll address your primary concern: "Christianity is Semitic and universalist to the core."

Christianity definitely originated in a Semitic context, but it rapidly incorporated gentile rituals and beliefs. The Trinity, for instance, is totally alien to the Semitic mind (hence the reason Islam rejected it), but it is found constantly throughout European paganism. Similarly, the Christian cult of Mary evolved out of Ephesian veneration for Artemis:

Entire books have been written arguing that the Eucharist was borrowed from existing gentile paganism and even Jesus Christ himself is a re-appropriation of Bacchus. It's not really accurate to dismiss Christianity as "Semitic" in light of these facts.
Christianity started off as a Jewish sect aimed at Jews with the claim that their Jewish Messiah had arrived. The fans of Jesus had to get creative when Jesus was crucified, so they claimed he rose from the dead and will come again (soon!) to usher in a new age. 99.999% of Jews didn't buy it, but one who did by the name of Saul/Paul realized he could maybe spread the wisdom of Jesus if he expanded the franchise and targeted the goyim, claiming you could be a spiritual Jew if you believed in Jesus.

As Christianity was being formulated, Paul and a few others made it a point to inject non-Jewish elements to make it more palatable and easier for the goyim to convert; they didn't have to keep kosher, etc... they just had to believe Jesus would be your Savior if you believed in Him, describing Him as the Son of God. And they were pissed that Jews hadn't taken to Jesus, so they made Jews into the enemy of the story. They purposefully designed Christianity to be as universalist as possible, albeit somewhat anti-Jewish you could argue, although modern Judeo-Christians would beg to differ.

But come on, the birth and founding of Christianity was Jewish to the core, and it was fucking Jews who introduced the anti-Jewish elements because they were pissed off at the mainstream Jews for rejecting Jesus; the whole enterpise was Semitic to the core. (Much later on goys tried to make sense of things by introducing stuff like the doctrine of the Trinity, but to say this negates the Semitic foundation of Christianity is like putting the cherry on top of a sundae and calling it a fruit salad.)

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Furthermore, your argument that Christianity is both Semitic and universalist contradicts itself. The Semitic Jews were (and are) extremely ethnocentric, as shown by repeated injunctions against interracial marriage throughout the Old Testament. Perhaps the clearest example is from the Book of Tobit:
I hope now you see how it isn't a contradiction. The Jews who kept to Judaism were ethnocentric; but the goyim were converted to a religion that was designed to be as universalist and easy to convert to as possible.

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Christian universalism does not need to imply miscegenation or white genocide, as shown by the fact that it has been used to justify racial segregation. You have ignored my citation of “Is Segregation Scriptural?”; therefore, I can only assume you have no answer to give.
OK, unlike Judaism, Christianity is a belief-based religion. In Judaism, a Jew is a Jew, no matter what he believes, so long as he has Jewish parents. With Christianity, you are Christian solely by virtue of the fact that you have accepted Jesus as your Lord and Savior, and you cease to be Christian if you stop believing in Jesus.

So here's the problem. Let's say your racial comrade declares he stops believing, while you remain a devout Christian. Now a black dude claims he loves Jesus and talks all the kool-aid with you. Who are you going to side with: your atheist racial kin, or your black Christian friend? Who is your devout sister going to marry, the white atheist or the black Christian? Who is going to tell your black Christian friend he can't seek refuge in your Christian nation?

Religion, by definition, trumps all else. If you want to prioritize the race, you have to make it foundational to your religion. That's what Jews did, and it's why they're still around.
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Christianity started off as a Jewish sect aimed at Jews with the claim that their Jewish Messiah had arrived. ... (Much later on goys tried to make sense of things by introducing stuff like the doctrine of the Trinity, but to say this negates the Semitic foundation of Christianity is like putting the cherry on top of a sundae and calling it a fruit salad.)
To be clear, I'm not suggesting that Christianity has "negated" the fact that it started among Semitic people, but I think I'm struggling with is why this is problematic if, as I've shown, the core tenants of Christianity (such as the resurrection, the Trinity, Mary, the cult of the saints) are clearly more similar to paganism than to Judaism. The teachings of Christianity were not revolutionary to the pagans, according to the early Christian apologist Justin Martyr (emphasis mine):

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Chapter 20. Heathen analogies to Christian doctrine

And the Sibyl and Hystaspes said that there should be a dissolution by God of things corruptible. And the philosophers called Stoics teach that even God Himself shall be resolved into fire, and they say that the world is to be formed anew by this revolution; but we understand that God, the Creator of all things, is superior to the things that are to be changed. If, therefore, on some points we teach the same things as the poets and philosophers whom you honour, and on other points are fuller and more divine in our teaching, and if we alone afford proof of what we assert, why are we unjustly hated more than all others? For while we say that all things have been produced and arranged into a world by God, we shall seem to utter the doctrine of Plato; and while we say that there will be a burning up of all, we shall seem to utter the doctrine of the Stoics: and while we affirm that the souls of the wicked, being endowed with sensation even after death, are punished, and that those of the good being delivered from punishment spend a blessed existence, we shall seem to say the same things as the poets and philosophers; and while we maintain that men ought not to worship the works of their hands, we say the very things which have been said by the comic poet Menander, and other similar writers, for they have declared that the workman is greater than the work.

Chapter 21. Analogies to the history of Christ

And when we say also that the Word, who is the first-birth of God, was produced without sexual union, and that He, Jesus Christ, our Teacher, was crucified and died, and rose again, and ascended into heaven, we propound nothing different from what you believe regarding those whom you esteem sons of Jupiter. For you know how many sons your esteemed writers ascribed to Jupiter: Mercury, the interpreting word and teacher of all; Æsculapius, who, though he was a great physician, was struck by a thunderbolt, and so ascended to heaven; and Bacchus too, after he had been torn limb from limb; and Hercules, when he had committed himself to the flames to escape his toils; and the sons of Leda, and Dioscuri; and Perseus, son of Danae; and Bellerophon, who, though sprung from mortals, rose to heaven on the horse Pegasus. (Source: http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0126.htm)
The point is that if you respect the ancient Roman Stoics, philosophers, and other righteous pagans, you should respect Christianity because the Church incorporated the best elements of their philosophy and religion while simultaneously dumping Jewish supremacism.

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So here's the problem. Let's say your racial comrade declares he stops believing, while you remain a devout Christian. Now a black dude claims he loves Jesus and talks all the kool-aid with you. Who are you going to side with: your atheist racial kin, or your black Christian friend? Who is your devout sister going to marry, the white atheist or the black Christian? Who is going to tell your black Christian friend he can't seek refuge in your Christian nation?
You raise a good point, but this point cuts both ways: let's say your racial comrade declares white people are the cancer of human history and that he wants to marry a black woman? Are you going to "side with" him? Of course not. Thus, ironically, race alone is not sufficient to preserve race.

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Religion, by definition, trumps all else. If you want to prioritize the race, you have to make it foundational to your religion. That's what Jews did, and it's why they're still around.
There are two ways to incorporate race into religion: declare that your race is superior to all others (Judaism and Aryanism) or declare that all races are ordained by God. The first approach is incompatible with Christianity and only leads to ethnic war, but the second is entirely Christian and leads to peace.

Both New and Old Testaments reiterate that the nations were divided by God and the Apocalypse of St. John confirms that the nations and tribes God has made remain distinct through the end of time. Thus, the case can be, has been, is, and will continue to be made by Christians that miscegenation disturbs the natural order of creation:

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If it is unnatural to consider nations as ethnically heterogeneous, then it also should be unnatural to consider families as ethnically heterogeneous. Of course, if something is abnormal or unnatural, it does not follow that it is always sinful, but this premise still carries moral weight — namely, because it is sinful and contrary to God’s will to value the natural and the unnatural equally. (Source: https://faithandheritage.com/2011/05...miscegenation/)
The problem with making race the foundation of a religion is that race is not an end in itself. A purebred German Shepherd is a beautiful animal, but it is not happy unless given a purpose. The function of any religion is to provide humans with purpose. This is fundamentally why I reject all forms of atheism.

The pursuit of reason and evidence which characterizes atheism and modern Western culture since the Enlightenment (if not before) has proven a recipe for disaster because reason and evidence have failed to discover any meaning or purpose in life. Without purpose, society degenerates into indifference and debauchery.
 
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To be clear, I'm not suggesting that Christianity has "negated" the fact that it started among Semitic people, but I think I'm struggling with is why this is problematic if, as I've shown, the core tenants of Christianity (such as the resurrection, the Trinity, Mary, the cult of the saints) are clearly more similar to paganism than to Judaism.
The core tenet of Christianity is that a Jew born 2000 years ago is God (please read this sentence again). In addition, the doctrine of the Trinity, which insanely attempts to rationalize how exactly this Jew can be God, and the phenomenon of the cult of Mary, a Jewess, don't do much to convince me that Christianity isn't Jewish to the core.

But let me tell you the Good News, brother. We've got something all our own that has nothing to do with Jews. Even better, it doesn't require that you believe in stuff like the Abrahamic religions require.

Of course, if you need your religious beliefs to keep you happy, that's fine, but it's not Aryan. Aryans leave religion to the Semites and go our own way with understanding and not understanding (see here).

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You raise a good point, but this point cuts both ways: let's say your racial comrade declares white people are the cancer of human history and that he wants to marry a black woman? Are you going to "side with" him? Of course not. Thus, ironically, race alone is not sufficient to preserve race.
If he wants to procreate with a non-Aryan, his descendants are non-Aryans. See how that works? The race stays pure.

(Note: it might be possible for a non-Aryan to re-enter the race if they are dedicated and they genetically modify their babies to be racially Aryan, but details such as this are for a later discussion.)

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There are two ways to incorporate race into religion: declare that your race is superior to all others (Judaism and Aryanism) or declare that all races are ordained by God. The first approach is incompatible with Christianity and only leads to ethnic war, but the second is entirely Christian and leads to peace.
Sometimes war is unavoidable. But let me reassure you that while Aryans form a race, distinct from non-Aryans, we do not stipulate that we are "superior" to non-Aryans.

Look, it isn't racist for us to want to preserve our Aryan heritage; we just don't want to lose that which makes us special to the ravages of globalism.

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The problem with making race the foundation of a religion is that race is not an end in itself.
Aryanism serves to define our race and, at the same time, is defined by our race. It isn't a religion, it is racialism, an umbrella for the nationalism of our various distinct peoples.

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A purebred German Shepherd is a beautiful animal, but it is not happy unless given a purpose. The function of any religion is to provide humans with purpose. This is fundamentally why I reject all forms of atheism.

The pursuit of reason and evidence which characterizes atheism and modern Western culture since the Enlightenment (if not before) has proven a recipe for disaster because reason and evidence have failed to discover any meaning or purpose in life. Without purpose, society degenerates into indifference and debauchery.
I agree. Our mission, our purpose is to strive to be Aryan, to understand and not understand (or, if you want to wax poetic, to dedicate ourselves to the race-soul, our birthright, our heritage); this is what will propel our race into the future to meet our destiny.
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Old February 27th, 2020 #32
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You have already admitted that Christianity is fundamentally different from Judaism:

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OK, unlike Judaism, Christianity is a belief-based religion. In Judaism, a Jew is a Jew, no matter what he believes, so long as he has Jewish parents. With Christianity, you are Christian solely by virtue of the fact that you have accepted Jesus as your Lord and Savior, and you cease to be Christian if you stop believing in Jesus.
That being established, why do you think Europeans must reject Christianity because the Son of God was descended from David and was circumcised?

You are also not answering my question of whites who are disloyal to their race, so let me ask another way: if you see a white man starving on the street with his black wife and brown kids, do you help that man out or not? If not, you are failing to side with your racial comrade, something you accuse Christians of.

Finally, you affirm we must "strive to be Aryan", and follow "the race-soul", "birthright", and "heritage". If you mean that we are born with a heritable law which we should follow, then the Apostle Paul would agree.

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12For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law; 13(For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified. 14For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: 15Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another 16In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel. (Romans 2:12-15)
EDIT: you are technically incorrect when you state that, "you are Christian solely by virtue of the fact that you have accepted Jesus as your Lord and Savior". That is largely a Baptist idea, but even most Baptists would not call you a Christian if you don't believe in the Trinity, and I've personally met multiple Baptists who openly affirm that Roman Catholics and Eastern Orthodox are not "Christians". All of that is tangential to the main point at issue here, though.
 
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You have already admitted that Christianity is fundamentally different from Judaism:



That being established, why do you think Europeans must reject Christianity because the Son of God was descended from David and was circumcised?
If you want to be Christian, God bless you, there's not an argument out there to convince you otherwise.

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You are also not answering my question of whites who are disloyal to their race, so let me ask another way: if you see a white man starving on the street with his black wife and brown kids, do you help that man out or not? If not, you are failing to side with your racial comrade, something you accuse Christians of.
My point is Aryanism is like Judaism in that you have to be born into it, it's in your DNA.

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Finally, you affirm we must "strive to be Aryan", and follow "the race-soul", "birthright", and "heritage". If you mean that we are born with a heritable law which we should follow, then the Apostle Paul would agree.
You can try to twist anything to say it is "Christian", but suffice it to say Aryanism is not compatible with Christianity (or any religion); Aryan or Christian, you can't be both.
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I just happened to be channel surfing on jewlevision and found Paula White Cain. She's married to Jonathan Cain, formerly of the rock band Journey.

I'm not a woman hater (I've had three wives and innumerable girl friends/lovers): however, let's look at "pastor Paula's" achievements, shall we?

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White recorded the first broadcast of Paula White Today in December 2001. By 2006, her show appeared on nine television networks, including Trinity Broadcast Network, Daystar, and Black Entertainment Television.[10][16][31]

Ebony magazine said of White, "You know you're on to something new and significant when the most popular woman preacher on the Black Entertainment Network is a white woman."[32]


White considers T.D. Jakes (NIGGER) her spiritual father. Jakes invited her to speak at his "Woman Thou Art Loosed" conference in 2000. She also participated in the Mega Fest, hosted by Jakes in Atlanta, in 2004, 2005 and 2008.[33][34]

White has ministered to Michael Jackson, Gary Sheffield, and Darryl Strawberry.[10] She was the personal pastor to Darryl Strawberry, starting in 2003 following Strawberry's release from prison for cocaine possession. Charisse Strawberry, Darryl Strawberry's wife at the time, worked as an assistant to White, accompanying her on speaking engagements.[16][35][36] She is the "personal life coach" of Tyra Banks and appeared on her show, the Tyra Banks Show, in an episode on promiscuity on October 4, 2006.[31]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paula_White

"Pastor Paula" has been married three times. So much for "no divorce." I'm three times married. However, I don't have a megachurch telling people to pray about giving lots of bucks to support my lifestyle.

With pale people like "pastor Paula," the White race has lots of enemies.

And, lest I forget:

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In November 2019, Trump appointed White as special advisor to the Faith and Opportunity Initiative at the Office of Public Liaison.[8][9]
From Wikipedia, link cited.

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If you want to be Christian, God bless you, there's not an argument out there to convince you otherwise.

My point is Aryanism is like Judaism in that you have to be born into it, it's in your DNA.

You can try to twist anything to say it is "Christian", but suffice it to say Aryanism is not compatible with Christianity (or any religion); Aryan or Christian, you can't be both.
For the record, I never intended to imply that Aryanism is Christianity. The Apostle Paul in the passage that I cited was not saying that because the pagans followed the laws of nature they were therefore Christians.

Anyway, I appreciate your willingness to exchange thoughts with me on this. You've been very respectful and fair in your tone.
 
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