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Old January 1st, 2010 #21
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A quick search proves, however, that you accustomed yourself with the correct usage of "begging the question" only a few months (or possibly a few hours) ago:


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That begs the question of who started it. At this point, since I dont care about rep anyway, it's moot, but I think she felt she was responding rather than initiating.

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That begs the question of whether discussing the state we seek beneath the racial composition level attracts or repels people.

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That begs the question of how the problem arose in the first place, with all of these virtuous peasants.

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Yep. Begs the question of fags are born or made. I think both.

http://vnnforum.com/showthread.php?p...22#post1056991

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Incorrect. I have always known what it meant. Many, many times I criticize people for the fallacy it refers to - treating as settled what is under dispute. But the fact that it is begging the QUESTION tends to make me put the thing-under-dispute in that form. Now, if that in itself is wrong, then I'm wrong. I don't see why it is. It's 'begging the question' for a reason. There's a question involved. I don't see anything grammatically wrong with pointing out that a question has been begged, and then bringing to the surface the heart of the problem, as a question. If 'begging the question' is a logical fallacy, there is still an unresolved QUESTION under debate, and, per the term, it makes sense to put it in the form of a question. I don't see where any of my uses you cite is wrong. To be wrong, I would have to using 'begs the question' as though it meant simply raising questions, rather than treating as settled one particular question. I don't see that I'm doing that. As far as I can tell, I'm using the term correctly.
 
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McDonald is plowing his own furrow, I don't think he's trying to fit in with this or that he's trying to work it out. The hardcore approach will only attract hardcore people, that 1%. If you want numbers you have to meet people halfway, otherwise you are expecting Jo Public, who grew up on a diet of Nazi documentaries, to become Neo Nazis, which isn't realistic.
 
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It should be remembered that there is nothing in the nature of Judaism itself that would imply that the Jewish community would inevitably oppose being a minority in a racially hierarchical society dominated by whites. Jews have often participated in such societies, either as active supporters of the domination of another racial group or at least as passive but willing participants in such a system. One possibility is that Jews might alter their political behavior in this direction as the negative effects of third world immigration, especially from Muslim countries, begins to take its toll on Jewish sensibilities.122 Perhaps the neo-conservative movement represents the first stirrings of this direction for the Jewish community, although as it is presently constructed, it remains opposed to the ethnic interests of European Americans.
 
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As I wrote in my previous comments on Auster, I would be willing to make a quid pro quo with the organized Jewish community: If you support white ethno-nationalism in the US and provide intensive, effective support for ending and reversing the immigration policy of recent decades (i.e., something approaching the support you presently provide Israel), I would be willing to go to the wall to support Jewish ethno-nationalism in Israel, even at substantial cost for the US.
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Well you all can argue and debate and rant and tear each other a new one on these forums all day long but in the end the only thing that is going to save us is to congregate in one general area. I again say that NW migration is the one and only hope for Whites in the US.
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[QUOTE=Simon Cresswell;1085183]Yesterday I listened to Jim Giles interview Dr. Kevin MacDonald. In the interview MacDonald made it clear he is NOT for an EXCLUSIVE Whites ONLY homeland in the USA.


What the hell is his problem and why the f not have our own homeland and perhaps it is not his gd business ? Where is that list ? lol on him.
 
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You quoted MacDonald out of the context of the paragraph. Why would you do that?

Parker is a Jewish cover name, people should be aware of that. Just as Meyer, Fischer, Kramer and Snyder are. Jews are so arrogant and self-believing in their superior intelligence (their IQ is actually lower than Whites), that they think they can parade themselves around White society with surnames such as Snyder, Snider, Parker, Fischer.

They become very violent when confronted and post thousands of posts to build "cred", to be accepted as White.

Parker may also be an Americanized version of similar-sounding Jewish surnames. For example, actress Sarah Jessica Parker's family surname was originally Bar-Kahn, meaning "son of Kohen," but it was changed to Parker in America.

Jews always think they are smart enough to infiltrate and lead us. The smartest of us always ID the Jew.


Jews want extremism, for Judaism is Terrorism.


Thus why we identify the Jew by their assaults on MacDonald.



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Kevin MacDonald: James Edwards’ “Racism Schmacism: How Liberals Use the ‘R’ Word to Push the Obama Agenda”

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It’s not necessary for everyone to discuss Jewish influence. Edwards has had people on his radio show discuss Jewish influence, I among them, so he is at least aware of those issues. The book will have a very positive impact for our side. Lots of people who may have been turned off by the Jewish message will be influenced by it. Kevin M
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Old August 24th, 2010 #30
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MacDonald may be right, may be wrong. I've glanced his writings.

Problem is, it's all brains, no balls.

And every strong movement in history was based on a popular message, and popular propaganda, that is able to be said in fewer, simpler, powerful words that the masses to be influenced can relate to and repeat in effort to grow the movement.

And some big historical dissertation stokes no emotional revolutionary fires for change in people that are too damn stretched to endure endless evenings of deep study.

Culture of Critique is beyond the comprehension and attention span of what would be deemed "popular". So are most of MacDonald's writings on his site. Therefore, they are useless.

And worse, as some here have pointed out: the man himself gives off an aura of appeaser. An aura of weakness. Nobody is going to invest their time in a weak leader.

All of this is more of an issue of modern activism via the internet. There's a fundamental difference between physical in-person activism groups that meet, stay in contact, network, and they see it grow in numbers. There's something REAL about that.

It's just like the difference between an eBook and a real physical paper book. Sure. It's a perceived difference, same message, but there's more value and "realness" in the physical book. The internet itself as a medium for activism and all of this "article masturbation" only serves those in power in thwarting any possibility of real uprising, via decentralization of opposition.

As if this endless mental masturbating of the obvious will lead to the magical phrase of words which will suddenly unlock some magical genie bottle that will grant wishes.

What a waste of time.
 
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Problem is, it's all brains, no balls.

And every strong movement in history was based on a popular message, and popular propaganda, that is able to be said in fewer, simpler, powerful words that the masses to be influenced can relate to and repeat in effort to grow the movement.

What a waste of time.
All brains and no balls? He was part of the group that started its own political party, American Third Position. Isn't that ballsy enough or do you think it's better to march around sieg heiling?

And you make the assumption that Culture of Critique was aimed at Joe Sixpack. It isn't. It is a scholarly analysis of Jewish efforts in the academic front to undermine our society while simultaneously strengthening their own. It's aimed at the thinkers of the world, not the lemmings. So, don't expect any slogans out of it.

What it does succeed in doing is to provide hard evidence against Jewry. His writing style is exact and heavily footnoted, and that is for a reason. He is a tenured professor with his every word getting scrutinized by SPLC operatives in search of a mis-quote or a plagiarized idea. They even dispatched one of their jewesses to the university campus to dig up some dirt on him, but came up with nothing. He even agreed to be interviewed by the jewess herself with the stipulation that she answer some of his questions before the interview started. This was too much for a kike who was sent to sling mud against a white nationalist professor, so she chimped-out back to SPLC headquarters.


You see there seems to be two camps to WN'ism. The camp that waits for decades and hopes that mass violence will spontaneously begin ala Turner Diaries. Then there is the other camp which takes the peaceful route of using speakers and attempting to unite Whites under a political party. It's obvious which route he's taking.

BTW, have you read it?
 
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All brains and no balls? He was part of the group that started its own political party, American Third Position.
Yes. And it's going real far when they're still associating with bonehead Ryan Murdough as their New Hampshire Party State Chairman who was dumb enough to publicly associate his name with a statement such as saying blacks can spend black history month getting AIDS and STDs.

Jew media doesn't even have to make an effort to discredit such idiots. They blow themselves out, and the party becomes guilty by association for having a high-titled member make such a comment that nobody ever worth a shit that would get into office would make in their own name.

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Isn't that ballsy enough
No. It's not ballsy at all. It's worthless because nobody knows about them, nor will anyone ever know or care about them.

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or do you think it's better to march around sieg heiling?
Might as well with the stupid shit coming out of A3P.

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And you make the assumption that Culture of Critique was aimed at Joe Sixpack. It isn't. It is a scholarly analysis of Jewish efforts in the academic front to undermine our society while simultaneously strengthening their own. It's aimed at the thinkers of the world, not the lemmings.
Hence my quote "All Brains, No Balls". Brainy deep-thought mind-fucking books like this used to be great in history for one reason: Winning over the rich for financial support (the poor/middle/burgeousie are only moved by simple messages that affect the obvious simple truth right in front of them).

In that regard, since Kevin MacDonald would be requesting financial support for A3P, and considering A3P's rap now with boneheads like Murdough making stupid statements, kinda drastically reduces the chances of wealthy white people wanting to associate with that party.

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What it does succeed in doing is to provide hard evidence against Jewry. His writing style is exact and heavily footnoted, and that is for a reason. He is a tenured professor with his every word getting scrutinized by SPLC operatives in search of a mis-quote or a plagiarized idea. They even dispatched one of their jewesses to the university campus to dig up some dirt on him, but came up with nothing. He even agreed to be interviewed by the jewess herself with the stipulation that she answer some of his questions before the interview started. This was too much for a kike who was sent to sling mud against a white nationalist professor, so she chimped-out back to SPLC headquarters.
I'm the 235th person in the world who now knows that.

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You see there seems to be two camps to WN'ism. The camp that waits for decades and hopes that mass violence will spontaneously begin ala Turner Diaries. Then there is the other camp which takes the peaceful route of using speakers and attempting to unite Whites under a political party. It's obvious which route he's taking.
I would've thought someone who is a fan of CoC would realize this is a near impossibility for White Europeans (historically proven, as white Europeans always have violence when they take over power), unlike Jews, who historically use covert means to disintegrate societies with their universal morality wordplay bullshit like we see all around us.

Those dialecticians they are.

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BTW, have you read it?
Unfortunately. And it "begs the question": what is the real world result?

A head full of mind-fucking theoretical bullshit. That's what.

The fact that these cunts at the head of the fed are JEWS should be enough.

The fact that BLANKFEIN, head of Goldman Sachs, is blowing 30 mil on his NYC summer cottage, after getting all that bailout money, SHOULD BE ENOUGH.

The fact that our white daughters get fucked on camera by niggers so they can afford this bloated, overpriced propaganda called modern college, and that is the majority of internet traffic, SHOULD BE ENOUGH.

The fact that all of TV and Hollywood is a big in-your-face 24/7 push for making this country one big brown blot, SHOULD BE ENOUGH.

The fact that the middle class is GONE, and if you want to raise a family with a few kids, go look for a 100K home loan that will cost you 227K after 30-years (for Jews doing computerized automated administration? FUCK!) SHOULD BE ENOUGH!

The fact that most white people are working shit jobs and living in shit apartments driving shit cars, while the banks own all of these damn houses that are empty, SHOULD TRIGGER ANARCHY.

If these clear as day facts aren't enough to piss people off, then it's done.

Like a fucking steak.

Kevin MacDonald can go sit in the corner and reflect on how the kikes have different hairstyles. Nobody will give a shit. His books and his message are placed in the recreational interest realm, not the practical actionable realm, unless they facilitate financial support from the enablers of change: the wealthy.

P.S.: I love Kevin MacDonalds work. I've read all his books, and regularly read his articles. They're great. They're just all for nothing when he does not quickly disavow himself from poisonous associations with certain people that reek of skinhead retardation. Those people that just want to say "we deserve power because we're white". No. Those are the ones who want to remove the niggers and Jews so they can be just like them. It's justified by those whites that value hard work and character, those whites who want to build society instead of doing like the Jews, sapping it and decaying it, those whites who deserve to steer the direction of society, and those whites who deserve political power.

Unfortunately, there's very few whites left in society today who resemble the level of character, intellect, and vision of Kevin MacDonald, or this so called classical man of the Occident that is so highly preached but seldom portrayed in actions. I'm pretty sure America passed the point of no return from Occidental values into Judiafied values somewhere in the 60's or 70's.
 
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Hello, and welcome back to this week’s broadcast of American Dissident Voices, the Internet radio program of North America’s foremost racialist organization, the National Alliance. I’m your host and the Chairman of the Alliance, Erich Gliebe.

You know, I have been involved in the White Racialist Cause for a few decades now, so I have seen a lot of things – and people – come and go. I have seen people get involved in the Cause who are full of excitement and energy, who want to move and shake things up NOW, who want to shove the System into the abyss NOW so that we can make the world into a place better fit for White people and to get back to what we might call an authentic White culture.

And then I have seen those who get involved in the Cause somewhat tentatively, who aren’t gung-ho about turning our society upside down, but who yet get involved out of a sense that doing so is somehow the right thing to do, even if they can’t quite put their finger on why. These folks take baby steps in their initial involvement with the Cause; they proceed with caution and let others take the lead at first.

And you can’t always tell who is going to make a real contribution to the Cause and who isn’t. On the face of things, you might think that the person who gets involved and is full of excitement will make the best activist. They are willing to put our message out to other Whites and they have the guts to do it in the face of whatever opposition is out there: police intimidation, bad press from our competitors, disapproval of their involvement by family and friends, and so on.

In contrast, the more reflective individual who gets involved doesn’t always jump in with both feet. He is more apt to weigh the consequences of his activities against the background of his own life and personal situation, so he isn’t quite as fearless as the fire-eater who seems to live and work without fear.

But whether an individual who becomes involved in the Cause begins by handing out leaflets and shaking hands outside malls and at gun shows, or whether his first actions are preparing the leaflets or planning the activity or videotaping the distribution, a sure criterion as to whether or not the activist is truly dedicated to the Cause is his longevity. More times than I can count, I have met and talked with a new member to my organization, the National Alliance, and have been encouraged by the determination and zeal that I see in the new member’s eyes, only to learn in a year or so that the individual has quit the organization for whatever reason. Perhaps things weren’t moving fast enough for him, or perhaps he had a personality conflict with another member that he couldn’t get over. In any case, he has either lost whatever energy and enthusiasm he had or he has taken it elsewhere; he has invested it in his job or in a hobby or in some other venture.

And similarly for the cautious newcomers. When I meet a new member who appears hesitant to put his face out on the front lines, I encourage him to do what he feels comfortable with and hope that he will prove to make an important and lasting contribution. Sometimes my hopes are fulfilled and sometimes I’m disappointed. If the cautious ones are so cautious that they let their fears completely get the best of them, then it won’t be long before they have dropped out.

So you never quite know. You can never be sure that THIS particular individual is going to prove valuable to their race’s preservation – or not – in the long run. In fact, on more than one occasion, my first impression of someone was that he was not very serious – a hobbyist – and only later was I forced to admit to myself that his subsequent actions demanded a better assessment of him.

In any case, it is obvious that people have inherent personality traits and that changing one’s basic constitution is virtually impossible. That means that some people are naturally jump-in-with-both-feet people, and some are proceed-with-caution people. Not that these are the only two personalities, of course, but I’m simplifying for clarity.

With regard to the White Racialist Cause, it seems to me that the action-oriented individuals among us are more of the belief that the System needs help in collapsing. The System is teetering on the edge, but it needs our help to topple over. Without our intervention, the System just might settle back into a stable position, with the result that our race would be stuck in a very inhospitable world in which to live; namely, the System as it appears today, with all of its race-destroying tendencies and policies.

Of course, action-oriented individuals – whether they are racialists or not – aren’t necessarily violent people; they simply gravitate toward the idea of human beings taking action to change the world around them. So action-oriented individuals probably enjoy the vicarious experience of reading books like those authored by the late Dr. William Pierce, including The Turner Diaries and Hunter. Both of these novels are chock-full of action; in particular, action that contributes to the disintegration of the existing System. It is obvious that Dr. Pierce was hopeful that the System would collapse during his lifetime, and his life’s actions speak far louder than words, giving testament that he was, through and through, an action-oriented individual.

On the other hand, proceed-with-caution people – whom I might call reflective people – perhaps lean toward the idea that the System is going to collapse on its own, and that rather than spend our time and energy helping to further something that is inevitable anyway, we should instead be preparing for what will follow the System’s collapse. In other words, instead of helping to push over the massive but rotted tree that is already on its way down, we should be deciding how life in the vicinity of the tree will look after the tree’s demise.

This attitude is basically the one taken by former National Alliance member, the late William Gayley Simpson, who is the author of the encyclopedic and thought-provoking work, Which Way Western Man?. Simpson’s view is that the society of today – in which quantity is valued over quality, among other things – is doomed. For the System, the end is inevitable, and there is no hope that it can be modified and “saved.” With that in mind, Simpson set out to show Western man how he might better structure his society of the future, based on what has worked in the past in civilizations that lasted longer and were more stable than ours.

Now, I don’t mean to suggest that William Simpson wasn’t a man of action. He certainly was; if you need evidence of that, read Which Way Western Man?. But Simpson’s action didn’t have the purpose of destroying the System, the monster that is consuming our people. The purpose of his action was to learn how a society SHOULD be structured and to set down on paper the way for us to navigate a better course, once the existing society had imploded.

I am not going to pass judgment as to whether what I have called “action-oriented” or “reflective” individuals do more for the most important cause in the history of humankind, the White Racialist Cause. To pass judgment would be to applaud one segment of the Cause to the detriment of another. I will say that my own personality is better suited to action than reflection, but that is probably true of leaders in whatever walk of life. I’ve probably gotten more reflective as I’ve grown in years, but I think one’s personality isn’t subject to drastic change over a lifetime.

What is clear is that Our Cause needs both “action” and “reflective” individuals. We need people who are intent on helping the System to collapse, who will leaflet parking lots, call in to radio talk shows, put on a friendly face and shake hands while handing out literature, and hold a poster at an anti-immigration rally. We need people who aren’t afraid to make minor nuisances of themselves and speak up at the town council or the school board meeting to ask the “hard” questions that aren’t Politically Correct to ask. We need people who can write a rational letter to the editor and will sign their name to it. We need people who will take the lead in a given locale, who are willing to head up a local group of activists, and who won’t back down when difficulties surface. These are the types of traits exhibited by “action” individuals, and they are absolutely essential to the success of our mission.

On the other hand, we also need “reflective” individuals. We need people who can analyze the world in which we find ourselves, identify its weaknesses, and visualize a better and Whiter world that we have it within ourselves to create. We need people who can explain to others what it means to be a White racialist: that it doesn’t mean we hate anyone or intend violence on anyone, but rather that we intend to create a space in the world in which our people can be what it is within their power to become.

And the truth of the matter is that all of us have elements of the “active” and “reflective” personalities. How can one be active in campaigning for the Cause of the White Race without reflecting on WHY the survival of the race is important? How can one truly reflect on what it means to be an honorable White man or woman without that understanding becoming evident in the daily activities of that individual and in his interactions with others? It’s impossible.

Action and reflection are simply two sides of the same coin; where one side of the coin goes, the other goes, too. For some of us, the “action” side of the coin is “up” most of the time; for others, the “reflection” side is more common. The coin flips from one side to the other depending on the situation. Sometimes the coin has one side up – without flipping – for a sustained period of time. Sometimes it flips back and forth rapidly as you go from acting to reflecting and back again in your daily life.

But whichever side of the coin predominates in your personality, realize this: The purpose of all life is to pass along one’s genetic heritage to the next generation. It is your responsibility to use your gifts as best you can to secure a future for your own children and – more generally – for your people’s children.

Reflect on that truth and then act on it. To do otherwise is to leave your race’s future to chance… like leaving its survival up to the flip of a coin.

I’m Erich Gliebe, and thanks for being with me again today.

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And it's going real far when they're still associating with bonehead Ryan Murdough as their New Hampshire Party State Chairman who was dumb enough to publicly associate his name with a statement such as saying blacks can spend black history month getting AIDS and STDs.
A3P offers an interesting test of MacDonald's approach, which is to influence "elites." So far he seems to be influencing the same old SF types (Kelso is also involved), and even the directors are the same old marginalized types who've been trying to walk the fine line between WN and the faileocons for years.
 
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A3P offers an interesting test of MacDonald's approach, which is to influence "elites." So far he seems to be influencing the same old SF types (Kelso is also involved), and even the directors are the same old marginalized types who've been trying to walk the fine line between WN and the faileocons for years.
Wow, that's news, and says it all.
 
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A3P offers an interesting test of MacDonald's approach, which is to influence "elites." So far he seems to be influencing the same old SF types (Kelso is also involved), and even the directors are the same old marginalized types who've been trying to walk the fine line between WN and the faileocons for years.
What a JOKE. MacDonald is a smart and classy guy. Why does he allow himself to be shit on by associating with such people?

lol Kelso.

Well, at least they've picked the right people for this bunch of running around in circles

 
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JC, as far as that "Action / Reflection" article goes, I think it could be better summed up in the following:

Everyone reflects and reacts. Sure. Some people may be more passive and deep thinkers, some may be more action-oriented. But everyone does both. They recognize what must be done (by reflecting), then they do it.

The question now, is what is the mean threshold of a group of people where they've reflected enough for them to urge action?

And this is where I make my point, again and again. If white people today were of the same stock and potency as the founding fathers of this country, there would've been adequate reflection long ago.

The problem is that today's generation and the previous have been BRED to be passive. Reflectors. Think. Mindfuck. Procrastinate. "Violence Doesn't Solve Anything". The byline of our childhoods and our parents childhoods.

And it's to the point that the reflect/action mean threshold before action is so high in white people today as a whole, that it's literally hopeless and pointless. And then you ask yourself, "what's the point in this? why deeper reflecting with more impotent analysis? does this do anything?"

Violence sucks. That's reality. Especially for White Europeans. I've never once enjoyed an argument with a friend or family, not even the ones that resulted in victory. I can't imagine how much I would hate to be in a violent situation.

But so is the cardinal rule of life: Defend Yourself.

And has anyone ever seen one point in history ever, where non-whites have given up their master position over their slaves peacefully?

Hitler: "We don't like being your money slaves. Get the fuck out"
"Judea declares war on Germany"
*Violence*
Result: For a few years, Germany looks pretty damn nice (video proves), new architecture going up, everyone has jobs, great economy, healthy people, then.... you know the rest.

Washington: "We don't like being your money slaves. Get the fuck out"
Rothschild: "Redcoats, GET EM!"
*Violence*
Result: Washington wins, America is pretty damn prosperous. For a bit longer anyway.
 
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Yes. And it's going real far when they're still associating with bonehead Ryan Murdough as their New Hampshire Party State Chairman who was dumb enough to publicly associate his name with a statement such as saying blacks can spend black history month getting AIDS and STDs.
They're trying to pretend they're something new and different, yet they're relying on the same old people. That's hypocrisy, and seen to be so by friend and enemy alike.

The right way to go is to separate from the conservatives, and attack them. Not to mix with them and add their water to WN concrete. But if KM were capable of understanding this, he never would have embraced fat fool Francis. That embrace is fatal.
 
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What a JOKE. MacDonald is a smart and classy guy. Why does he allow himself to be shit on by associating with such people?
His party's approach is based on the false idea there is a body of whites out there just waiting to be led by conservatives who are a bit more open on race/jew criticism. There isn't. The only people willing to buck the system are those already in the WN scene, which is precisely what A3P tries to claim it stands apart from, and above. KM has disparaged NSM, but his own people are mostly NA retreads. No real difference there. It really is rather sad that someone in his position is naive enough to think that the media will treat him and his group differently than they treat other groups. People should realize there is nothing personal in all this: the jews act the way they do because it works. It's quite impersonal and has nothing to do with how we dress and behave. Those can effect the tactics they use against us, if we serve up something silly, dishonest, or slovenly, but our avoiding pitfalls will never alter the main strategy at all. Here's the takeaway for KM, since he can't figure it out himself, and fears to debate me, who would be happy to explain it to him:

Anyone who sticks up for whites, no matter how indirectly, will be savaged in the media, and smeared until he becomes a real problem, at which point he will be jailed on made-up charages - or murdered.

Which leads to the only conclusion that follows:

There's no real point to opposing the jews unless you're willing to entertain the proposition that there may be no effective way to oppose the jews save exterminating them.

All perpetual writing and yapping shows is that we aren't serious in our mission. The idea that KM provides hard evidence against jews - we have 2,000 years of evidence against the jews. This isn't a scholarly debate. A retard can be made to understand why jews are not merely a problem but THE problem. The difficulty is in organizing against jews because they sniff opposition out and abort it before it gets started. WN will only become real when our opponents, who don't allow us fair access to the change machinery, begin dying. Until then it's merely online entertainment. And here and there we pick up someone who didn't get it before, but does now, because of our words.

There's no safe-legal-safe-responsible-safe-easy-safe-positive-safe way to make headway against a System holding all the high cards. When you don't have a single friend among the cops, courts, newspapers, tv stations, you have no hope of defining yourself in a way that can attract people impressed by authority. The powers will simply instruct their minions through the official institutions to label you nazis, and to shit all over anything you do. And there's nothing you effectively can do about this - legally. Whites, thus, begin from a far worse starting point than the National Socialists in '20s and '30s Germany did. Many in the System there and then liked and supported Hitler. None in the System today, apart from the odd cop or prison guard, like any White or support White politics in any way. All will do what they can to help the authorities undermine any White who appears to be establishing a base.

The thing has to be done bottom up, fired by the anger of screwed Whites mad enough to kill and die to regain their respect and political independence. The natural leader of such a thing would be someone with a martial background. He alone can speak plausibly about violence, in a way no college perfesser or internet opinionmonger can. No real political leader would ever be interested in influencing the elites rather than replacing them. The Position is a run of the mill conservative grouplet flattering itself that it is something different and new.

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