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The point you can't seem to see is that when it comes to liars like Covington, there's no such thing as bad publicity. In other words, all mention helps them. By that standard, you are not merely the biggest HAC promoter on VNNF, you are basically the only HAC promoter. Which is not to disaparage your fine and effortful work documenting the liar's multitudinous lines. |
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It's complicated by the fact that the junkmedia call anyone who criticizes jews, much less those, like me, who make a main point of it, "Nazis," even if those people, like me, aren't Nazis. I don't agree with an all-powerful central state. I support, as I've written lower on forum, in a monofunctional overstate focused on defending the race, defined as broadly as needed. Beneath that racial umbrella, I believe in decentralization. Hitler did most emphatically NOT believe in decentralization. Just as jews routinely mislabel me a Nazi, WN enemies routinely mislabel me a libertarian. I don't know what to do other than simply continue to make the case for the arrangment I think best. I don't have a cool symbol. Personally I don't like jewelry and symbols of any sort. Of course one is needed at some point, but that point is not now. What is needed, so far as WN put forward a positive vision, rather than a critique of AmeriKwa, a ZOG production, is, in my opinion, is to stress that our solution is the only one in which you have the independence that befits a white MAN, and you can exercise your whitemaniacal creativity and intelligence in the WHITE context most suited to its flourishing. Imagine a country in which you could be both WHITE and a MAN. Under ZOG, you can be neither WHITE nor a MAN. Under NS you can be WHITE but not a man. Under libertarianism you can be a MAN but not WHITE. I want to be both WHITE and a MAN, and I think about half of WN feel the same way I do; the rest are either outright NS or social-democrats (European type) or welfare-statists (American type). Men can agree that we need all-White nations without agreeing on the scope and role of the government within that all-White nation. This is fairly obvious, that there's no agreement on the deeper how-we-live-together stuff, that there's a basic split, but it gets confused because so many WN come from conservatism and essentially just add race to their politics. Leading outsiders and insiders alike to think that WN is just another petty party political option on the democratic-electoral menu rather than a fundamentally different and all-orienting worldview. Which is why I've insisted against all others, basically, that our practical political goal in this period ought to be attacking conservatives and replacing them in the eyes of the people rather than mixing with them and trying to influence them as MacDonald and James Edwards do. My view is that altho KM and Edwards call themselves (as far as I know) White Nationalists, or at least don't mind being called that, they are better viewed as implicit conservatives (IC). Because functionally that's just what they are - conservatives. Their mindset is defending/appealing, not attacking and attracting. While many of the ICs' positions overlap with WN/NS, the mindset is completely different. I see them as simply repeating failure patterns of the past without ever putting any conscious thought to why the Lindbergh on their party actually failed. Back to my own view, WhiteMania, WhiteManistand, whatever you want to call it... In the setup I describe, no one is free to question or undermine the racial basis of the state - if they don't agree to it, they leave. If they feel they can only be men by living amud third worlders, they have either fought to prevent the birth of our new state, been killed, or fled abroad. If any of these are left after Whites take power, they will be dealt with in one way or another, but in no way will anyone ideologically opposed to the racial basis of the new states be allowed to remain within it. Race is NOT a matter that can be compromised, but it IS a matter worth killing over. The same goes for Catholics, or other goddists. If their religious weltanschauung demands race mixing, or race-neutralism at all levels, and they are actively going to teach and incite on that demand, then they too will be forced out of the new state. If they can live within the confines of the new founding on an explicit racial basis, then perhaps they can set up a neo-Maryland microstate for their type beneath the umbrella. But it must be absolutely clear that absolutely no political opposition to the basis of the new state will be tolerated. And if it is discovered, the leaders will be executed and the followers expelled or executed. Call it sicut catholicus non. Beneath that federal level -- the collective racial defense umbrella -- white MEN may group themselves as they like, and build such subcommunities as they see fit. They could be welfare-statists, they could be libertarians. They could be 1001 other things I can't imagine. But they will be responsible for building their own intermediate institutions if they feel they need them. In this way their freedom, honor, need to assume responsibility and manliness are preserved. The central state provides the drainage - keeping anti-White shit on the other side of the borders and out of the streets. The dreams are the responsibility of the men themselves. To me, what I describe is both possible and desirable. I fancy it is hard where needs hard, and loose where needs freedom. It takes into account both racial laws AND economic laws. For the great truth of our time, which has not yet been realized in minds and matter, is that the state is outmoded for nearly all, if not all, purposes. That means the state is the worst way of accomplishing almost any given task. I recommend WN take some time to educate themselves in the LIMITS of politics (read Burke, Kirk, and other classic conservative thinkers) and get up to speed on the latest triumphs made through private, voluntary arrangements (read lewrockwell.com). And then you've got VNNF for tying it all together through the insights of the best racialists on the 'net. Or at least a few dozen good smart white men on the same page seeking the same basic thing. One counter view to mine is that genuine National Socialism has all the answers any white men need (adapted to their particular nation and circumstances), and we should simply don the swastika with pride and make our way forward. I don't agree with that view, which I take to be the view of NSM, but it is psychologically right and strong, whereas the whining, remonstrating, complaining approach of, for example, the A3P ICs is psychologically wrong and weak - mere conservatism with a racial veneer. That sums up my position. I don't wear swastika because I'm not a National Socialist. If I were a NS, I would wear it. I'm not NS because I don't believe the government should be running White men like children. I don't believe White men need public schools, socialized health care, or anything but collective racial defense out of their central government. Last edited by Alex Linder; August 30th, 2011 at 01:05 PM. |
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The Northern European nations today all take care of their populations. If you combine that caretaking with racial hygiene and compulsory military service it makes a strong nation.
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Everybody does it was your principal argument. It's really boring that you keep claiming that you don't do what you obviously do do.
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Get a copy of The Dynamics of War and Revolution by Lawrence Dennis and read it, or The Coming American Fascism which is free online but less concise. The welfare state is a sine qua non of National-Socialism. It's an inevitable adjustment, the alternative being class-conflict and instability within your all-White society. Class-conflict means a fault-line within the race. The political faction that rejects economic regulation and the welfare state must inevitably lose, because they will not be offering a workable system.
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1) that our cause must sneak through under radar 2) that our cause can sneak through under radar 3) that any symbol we used wouldn't come under fire as intense as that directed at swastika if we made any substantial progress. Quote:
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I'm open to any arguments someone puts forward: a) Whites/WN don't need a symbol b) swastika is only symbol Whites can rally behind For me, I have my own view, which is not NS, and I'll stick to advocating that. |
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You still cannot grasp my basic point, which is that christianity, in any form, is intrinsically anti-White because of its spiritual universalism and its believe that all men are equal in the eyes of god, possessed of 'invaluable' individual souls of 'immeasurable' worth. Quote:
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I don't mean our cause is LITERALLY a supermodel, and we should put hot white women on our posters rather than nigger crime stats or victims of niggers crimes, I mean we should quite trying to "appeal" to stupid pew-goobers (religious folks) and cowardly-khaki wearers (bourgeois conservatives) by playing the white welcome wagon bringing them a fruit basket of crime statistics. Our cause entails highest risk for highest reward. We sell not its benefits but its drawbacks. "Not because it is easy but because it is hard." Or, the ad Shackleton placed seeking men for his expedition to the South Pole. At this point, we're looking for heroes, not commoners. Of course, with unlimited free distribution over the internet, we can reach anyone who dares look, so the distinction is academic in a sense. But non-academic in the sense that in non-desperate times, only the heroes or winter patriots will embrace a cause that entails serious social consequences. So be it; it's not something we can do anything about at the moment. Quote:
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Short of that, the only site-based orgs that will succeed will be things like Vdare - multi-racial, not anti-jew, not pro-White - in a nutshell, conservative organizations. WN will succeed, but only in spreading information and arguments, and that's what VNN and other men/sites do. It will change when men of superior organizational talent, bravery and determination make it change. Last edited by Alex Linder; August 30th, 2011 at 03:42 PM. |
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Christianity says it's immoral to treat men categorically rather than individually, but treating men categorically is the only way to defend the white race.
That's the fundamental opposition that never goes away, despite the political views of the christian. It is why the christ cult is intrinsically anti-White and cannot change. Exterminating the jews will always be immoral by christian doctrine, yet merely warning jews or expelling them don't work. In time they always come back and start up the same old thing. They can no more change their nature than cockroaches. After 2,000 years of readmitting jews to Christian countries, they now control every single white western nation and the catholic church as well. With that in mind, when you hear any man say that the church is our friend, can be our friend, or that religious views don't matter, you are listening to an idiot whose claims are objectively wrong. |
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As for class conflict, there's always some, but that's merely because men fall into different classes naturally, and no political system can change that. It's ironic that a nazi can't see that. And that conflict isn't necessarily society-crushing either. For the most part it resolves in people sticking with their own and sniffing at their inferiors or superiors, as working-class and upper-middle-class do today. As long as there's movement for talent, there's no real problem. I can see the appeal of Nazism to you, but more and better White men will agree with me, at least in America. Last edited by Alex Linder; August 30th, 2011 at 03:57 PM. |
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Class-conflict fueled by massive unemployment to the point that it poses a danger to the social order is not a constant throughout history. This is a phenomenon of late capitalism. I guess you don't know this, but capitalism has a self-destructive tendency inherent in it. The self-destruction is based on the fact that capitalism finds ways to produce more and more goods with less and less money spent on workers. The final result is lots of cheap goods concurrent with lots of unemployed people (Great Depression, and today). If you read Dennis you would learn that this tendency has been exacerbated since the end of the 19th century by the loss of new territories for exploration and colonization. The circumstances under which free market economics seemed to work just fine for 300 years don't exist anymore. The faction that understands this and can offer appropriate solutions (e.g. public works projects, protective tariffs) will have a huge advantage in gaining public support over the faction that wants to keep doing Reaganomics while millions of people are unemployed.
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Posted by Greg Johnson on August 29, 2011, 06:43 PM | #
MOB, I take it you don’t like me. I don’t like you either. Never have. There is something jaundiced, non-objective, and pushy about your personality. Life is too short, and our work is too long, for me to suffer you. So be it. Let’s just accept all that as read, and move on. Do you realize how ridiculous you look to say that you have stopped writing, donating, promoting etc. because you heard that our movement contains CMS, a would-be elite membership group? How does that follow? What is your beef, exactly? That they are elitist? That they are not elitist enough? That they are secretive? That you are excluded? (You dodged a bullet there, as I have explained.) Let’s just set aside CMS: It is being run into the ground by clowns. Imagine a secret society that confides its secrets to “Hunter Wallace.” Now that Gardner has hung a bull’s eye on it for the anti-fa hackers of the world, the smart people are leaving anyway. Eventually it will dwindle down to five people in an Atlanta restaurant humoring Sam Dickson as he repeats the same old stories for the umpteenth time. You seem to think that CMS was about telling the little people to shut up, sit still, and let the professionals handle this. That was certainly never my attitude. I wanted to use CMS to find talented people doing real work for our cause, learn from them, and introduce them to other such people, in the hope that we might foster creative collaboration. I also hoped that we could establish a network, and lines of influence. I hoped that through that influence, we would serve as a counter-weight to the suck of the “mainstream” to soft-pedal race and the Jewish question. The mainstream always pulls to the left. We need a counter-current to pull the other way. We still do. May I be so bold as to suggest that you do something that will help our case and stick a finger in the eye of the elitists? Help out Michael O’Meara. O’Meara is a brilliant man. He has a Ph.D. in history. He was run out of academia for defending revisionist views. He has supported himself as a blue-collar worker ever since. Even so, he was still quite productive, producing many articles for TOQ, National Vanguard, VNN, etc. as well as his book New Culture, New Right. When I was editor of TOQ, I arranged for CMS to pay him a stipend of $1,000/month so that he could cut back on his blue collar work and devote more time to our cause. The stipend was approved in the Fall of 2008. O’Meara’s productivity was dramatically increased. In the Fall of 2009, the stipend was renewed. I was fired from TOQ and bounced out of CMS in April of 2010. The reasons were entirely personal. I could no longer work with Sam Dickson. Before I worked with him, he was one of my best friends. When I began working with him, I gradually came to view him with contempt for his calamitous decisions, his calamitous indecision and laziness, and his increasingly unstable, kooky personality. He repaid my contempt with hatred. I suggested that for the good of the cause he step down, and he responded by firing me. But I can live with that. I gave him plenty of cause to hate me. I still am. The greatest moral obscenity of the whole CMS fiasco was the decision of Sam Dickson and John Gardner to cut off Michael O’Meara’s stipend, without cause, explanation, or notice. They simply stopped sending the checks. O’Meara’s only “crime” was to be my friend. He was entirely unaware of the behind the scenes machinations at CMS. The loss of his stipend was a catastrophe for O’Meara. He had cut back his hours at his job in the Fall of 2008. In the Spring of 2010, when he asked for them back, they were no longer there: the depression had set in. Since then, O’Meara has been treading water. I also think that the stress and feelings of betrayal have depressed him greatly. He still manages to produce, but on a much-reduced scale. It is tragic. One of our best voices has been almost silenced. And not by our enemies, but by John Gardner and Sam Dickson. But it gets even worse. At the same time that Gardner and Dickson tossed O’Meara into the gutter, they started paying $1,000/month to “Hunter Wallace” and delivered the secrets of their super-secret elite into his tiny, pudgy hands. The rest is hysteria. |
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Posted by Greg Johnson on August 29, 2011, 06:47 PM | #
If MOB or anyone else would like to help Michael O’Meara with moral support or a donation, please contact me at [email protected] I will put you in touch with him directly. Rest assured, my dirty rent-seeking hands will not touch one dime. |
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Posted by Ex-Pro White Activist on August 29, 2011, 02:04 PM | #
I think the most important strategic question for people who long for glory might be, how can we prevent the productive Whites trapped between the fun and games (writing, broadcasting, publishing, secretmeeting, self-hyping) elites “above” them and the fun and games (eating, drinking, TVing, and f__king) white trash “beneath” them from drifting beyond reach out of sheer boredom? I don’t think it’s boredom per se. Eventually the “productive” white has to return to really being “productive” and leave the “fun and games” for the next weekend. The strong currents of the Federal Reserve economy sweep them out of reach. The existence of a stable marriage with children accelerates this process rather than retarding it. My own wife is a good example. She’s instinctively national socialist in outlook. Genetic considerations are second nature to her. But she’s also interested in propagating our own genetic line. Since the reproductive “and f__king” part has been accomplished (except for frequent historical reenactments) this means engaging in other forms of productive activity to sustain the little mouths. This requires local economic resource. Therefore her patience with non-productive online activities has sharp limits. She is far from an isolated example. Very quickly the field is abandoned by default to the aged old geezer, the childless homo and the can’t-get-any-girlfriend dweeb. These characters like to consider this event as a “victory” of some kind that indicates their innate intellectual superiority. But in reality this event constitutes a physical rejection by the “productive white people” whose existence is supposedly their entire purpose. And this is before adding the ADL/SPLC/antifa provocateurs, police informers and Aryan Brotherhood members in between incarcerations. |
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Posted by Ex-Pro White Activist on August 29, 2011, 10:28 PM | #
Today’s prize for thread surrealism: May I be so bold as to suggest that you do something that will help our case and stick a finger in the eye of the elitists? i.e. pay what Greg Johnson claims are Gardner & Dickson’s defaulted moral obligations. He has supported himself as a blue-collar worker ever since. The ultimate horror. Those responding to Greg’s call have an historic opportunity to cover any moral deficiencies of buy ‘n flip speculators Gardner & Dickson. And for the same money they can also help perpetuate the regime deceit that a modern liberal arts Ph.d is something other than the worthless academic bubble diploma mill certificate that it is in reality. Paper diplomas, stipends, grants, speculative paper money profits from flipping tax deeds and commodities contracts, denigration of manual work… Who the hell needs this pale imitation of the Judeo regime? Seriously. The existing system already does all this. And it does it better. The non-Movement is stuck in the mud, spinning its wheels and digging itself in deeper every minute. He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you. --- Friedrich Nietzsche Posted by Greg Johnson on August 29, 2011, 10:46 PM | # Dickson was a real-estate speculator, but he is now ruined. Gardner is a day trader. Not that that makes a moral difference! Nothing I wrote implied denigration of blue collar work per se. But every hour that O’Meara does that sort of work is an hour stolen from our cause. Helping O’Meara does nothing to raise the moral standing of Gardner and Dickson. Nor does it support the regime deceit about the value of higher education. But XPWA knows all that. He is just dishonest. That is why he goes directly to the spam bucket at Counter-Currents. Elitism begins at home. |
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