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Old August 28th, 2011 #181
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I agree that most White people probably are at least vaguely informed on the Negro problem but often not much more than that.

It's important not just to know these things but to say them, and to present readymade arguments for use in public discourse, because people are afraid to speak up if they don't know what to say.




I am calling Taylor and Duke and Parrott conservatives. But they all offer some truth that you wouldn't get clearly stated from Fox News. On the Jews, Duke much more than the other two.

Foot in the door. Once there is public discussion and acknowledgment of a problem, there is an opportunity to carry the discussion into causes and possible solutions. The conversation has to start somewhere.
Most whites are kept in the dark about negro (and mexican) crime or else are told it's a poverty problem. Why, just look at that nice negro next door, driving an escalade and making 80k working for HUD. Does he look like a criminal to you? Whites then lose the connection between genetic Africans and the TV image.

What I find useful are these Census maps of current and projected minority growth. Also useful are the boasting in the media about how minorities will soon be the majority. Seeing a half caste in the White house openly pushing anti-white policies helps a lot, too.

I agree with Hadding about the conversation starting somewhere. You can't feed a baby solid food until it's ready. Taylor is perfect for people who sense something is wrong but aren't ready for the truth about jews yet, and Duke is pretty good about the jews. He has done some excellent videos on the subject.

Our problem is we don't have a whole lot of time to baby anybody about the disaster we facing. If something is not done NOW we are done for, IMO.
 
Old August 28th, 2011 #182
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Most whites are kept in the dark about negro (and mexican) crime or else are told it's a poverty problem. Why, just look at that nice negro next door, driving an escalade and making 80k working for HUD. Does he look like a criminal to you? Whites then lose the connection between genetic Africans and the TV image.
I know a lot of "conservatives" at least, who are well aware of Negro criminality. Republican-oriented media is full of allusions to it, although they almost always try to present it as a cultural rather than a physical problem. It would be interesting if somebody did a survey that brings out people's real racial views. I suspect that the younger people are more confused than the older ones because the older ones have been keeping their mouths shut and not telling the younger ones what they know.

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Our problem is we don't have a whole lot of time to baby anybody about the disaster we facing. If something is not done NOW we are done for, IMO.
Don't be rushed into doing something ill-considered. Although our race is losing ground and terrible things are happening, it's probably never really going to be completely too late. Look at the blond and blue-eyed Berbers of the mountains of North Africa. Somehow they have managed to survive for thousands of years amid floods of racial garbage. This is more a matter of getting our own minds right than anything else. Once we've done that, there's always hope.

Look at Germany. You might have thought in 1945 that the nation was washed up, but now they are poised to rule Europe through their economic might. Capable people, unified through suffering, make a powerful force that can spring back from catastrophes while everybody else falls into self-indulgence and decay.

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Old August 28th, 2011 #183
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Don't be rushed into doing something ill-considered. Although our race is losing ground and terrible things are happening, it's probably never really going to be completely too late. Look at the blond and blue-eyed Berbers of the mountains of North Africa. Somehow they have managed to survive for thousands of years amid floods of racial garbage. This is more a matter of getting our own minds right than anything else. Once we've done that, there's always hope.

Look at Germany. You might have thought in 1945 that the nation was washed up, but now they are poised to rule Europe through their economic might. Capable people, unified through suffering, make a powerful force that can spring back from catastrophes while everybody else falls into self-indulgence and decay.
Hadding,

I don't know what your opinion of me is, but this is one of the best posts I've seen on this thread.

Survivalism is a precursor to racial awareness, which in itself is a precursor to Jew awareness.

Survivalism means "I have lost faith in the System," which is an unsustainable, corrupt racial spoils system. It is implicit racism, or inchoate racism, just as the Tea Party is.

Survivalism is restructuring one's life to be more resilient, and to be gradually seceding from the culture.

Cultural secession means no more watching blacks playing sports, no more listening to black music, no watching Samuel Jackson or Denzel Washington or Morgan Freeman movies because you are focusing on more important things (survival).

Survivalism = > Cultural Secessionism = > Racial Awareness = > Jew awareness

It's a slow process (for now) but the economy is contracting. Multiracialism is very high maintenance and expensive -- akin to maintaining the roads. You have to maintain the roads in perfect condition, or they go totally unserviceable really fast. There's no slow degradation of roads

So I am optimistic, and I associate with optimists. Our goals are to:

1. Sharpen our rhetoric yet adapt it to our audience. For example, I get in very good conversations with lower middle class office workers about welfare and illegal immigration. None of these office workers are happy to be paying taxes to people to breed. Most ordinary office workers where I am would be fine with mandatory sterilization of welfare recipients (hence they are eugenicists, hence they are implicit National Socialists, they just don't know it yet).

2. Build resilience to economic contraction in my local community. The time is coming when Uncle Sam's pendulous man boobs no longer express federal reserve note milk to Americans; we will all be scrambling to rebuild some level of production and commerce. Get ahead of the curve so you can help your neighbors.

3. Most economic activity in the US comes from government spending now. With that government spending comes socio-cultural clout to take away our government-spending based livelihood. When our livelihoods are no longer based on government spending, there will be a flowering of protest and free speech. It will be the great teachable moment.

4. We point out that it's white people helping white people. We will be free to condemn and ostracize renegades who still associate with non-whites. In times of resource competition, tribalism rises. Thus we will be able to "undo 50 years of work since the Civil Rights Movement," in a few years of economic contraction.
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>>>We will be free to condemn and ostracize renegades who still associate with non-whites.<<<

We're free to do that now, especially with respect to those within the movement who arrogantly believe they are so smart they can fraternize with Jews without visiting destruction on the rest of us.

I'm no going to wait around for the asphalt to dissolve under my feet while some idiot pretends to walk on water.

Are the streets of Indianapolis paved in gold or something?
 
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Oh, I think Israel is plenty the problem. They're stealing gobs of money from us, selling our defense technology, blowing up buildings to get us in their wars, murdering their neighbors, making us enemies we never had before. There's no difference between jews, here or there they cause problems.
Can you explain why we have this problem with Israel and not, say, with Papua-New Guinea? Could it be that our culture, educational system, media, government, and economy are not controlled by a vast Papuan colony/ethnic mafia, but they are controlled in this manner by our Jewish Diaspora colony?

Diaspora Jewry is our problem. We need to break their power and send them all to Israel.

Cry me trail of tears about the Palestinians. There is nothing the Jews have done to them that I would not do to non-whites to secure a white homeland. A two-state solution is the best they can get, and I would support that, because I want to expel our Palestinian Diaspora as well.
 
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Diaspora Jewry is our problem. We need to break their power and send them all to Israel.
Madagascar was a much better option than the densely populated Fertile Crescent for a Jewish homeland, if a homeland was all that they really wanted. Chaim Weizmann et al. insisted on Palestine because of the symbolic value. At the intersection of three continents, it's also quite a strategically important location, unlike Madagascar which is far away from everything.

On the Republican side, the power of Diaspora Jewry in the United States is mainly based on Zionism. They have a hold on the Bible Prophecy vote, which is a substantial faction in the Republican Party. That's what gave Rick Perry his immediate lead over other Republican presidential candidates.

All these ruinous wars that the United States has undertaken in the past decade have been part of a desperate attempt to prop up the failing Zionist Entity. This has diverted energy and attention that otherwise would have been largely focused on domestic problems.

When the State of Israel collapses, the reputation of the Jews as some kind of magical people will be irreparably damaged. That is to our benefit.

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Old August 28th, 2011 #187
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>>>Survivalism is a precursor to racial awareness, which in itself is a precursor to Jew awareness.<<<

I couldn't agree more. Survival is a top priority and the items above go together like knives, forks and spoons.

We need to be prepared:

Ingredients:
• One cleanly slain philo-Semite, approx. 90-100lbs dressed weight (heavier bodies may require additional time)
• Hickory wood (apple wood or a combination may also work quite well)
• 3 qt Water
• 3/4 c Salt
• 2 ts Red pepper
• 2 ts Black pepper
• 1 1/2 c Vinegar
• Barbecue Sauce
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* * * First, if it has not already been dressed, prepare the carcass: Suspend the body by either pairing and tying limbs with rope or twine and attaching these to a horizontal beam, or by inserting meathooks into each ankle via a cut behind the Achilles Tendon.
* * * Completely bleed carcass by making a deep incision across the neck from one ear to the other. Be sure to raise the rest of the body above the point of incision so that gravity is allowed to pull out all the blood; this may be aided by repeated compression of the abdomen. Approximately six liters of blood should be removed through this method; discard carefully.
* * * Remove head by continuing already started incision around the entire neck and twisting and/or slicing to separate the head from the spinal cord.
Gut corpse by cutting from the solar plexus to a point near the anus, carefully avoiding the intestines. Cut around the anus and tie it off with twine. Using a saw, cut through the pubic bone. It should now be possible to remove the anus and all abdominal organs by pulling and cutting as necessary. Take care not to cut into organs of the digestive system, as they may contaminate the flesh (clean thoroughly if this happens). Cut through the diaphragm to reveal and remove chest organs and any remaining blood vessels.
* * * Remove feet and lower portion of arms by cleanly cutting around and separating the ankle and elbow joints. Removing all hair at this point is suggested. (enth notes that pork factories do this with flash heating; if a little surface charring is tolerable (roasting it in the pit will char it anyway), try taking a propane torch to the skin, or employ some similar method of burning off the surface hair.) Saw backbone in order to lay body spread eagle while roasting.
* * * Prepare fire pit by digging a hole in solid ground approximately 1 to 1.5 feet deep, 3.5 feet wide and 6 feet long, tapering out at either end. Fill the pit with hickory twigs and burn until dry. Form, light, and maintain a second fire near the pit for use as a source of coals during the cooking process.
* * * Combine water, salt, pepper, and vinegar to form a brine. Suspend body, spread-eagle and meat side down, over pit using iron rods, bed springs, or a heavy hog wire mesh. Roast very slowly over a period of 10-16 hours, or until the internal temperature of the meat reaches 170 degrees Farenheit. Once cooking has begun, cover with metal roofing sheet or other heat-tolerant material in order to retain heat and distribute smoke. While roasting, occasionally baste meat with the brine and add coals as needed. Coals should be limited so that grease does not drip and ignite; these flames should be smothered with a shovel to prevent charing or burning. During the last 5-8 hours, turn the body over, skin side down, and collect fat that may accumulate around the ribs and shoulders. This can be solidified and stored as lard for later use.
* * * Once the meat has reached 170 degrees, remove from pit (or remove coals) and smother with barbecue sauce. Proceed to chop off pieces of meat (1/2 to 1 pound per serving) and enjoy! There should be enough meat to feed a small to moderately sized group of people; approximately 12-24 servings.
 
Old August 29th, 2011 #188
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In Catholicism, you get a leader appointed from Rome, and if you don't like it, there's not a lot you can do but complain. There's almost no movement upwards. You're just supposed to trust authority. NS was about authority not as authority but as responsibility. It demanded complete loyalty from subordinates, but it also 'gave them their heads' - both on the martial battlefield and on the streets.
I think they have quite a few similarities that are worth noting, size and scope and age aside. They are both authoritarian in structure, both are all male hierarchies, and both have a complete worldview. You either accept the thing wholesale or you don't.

This is what I think you are driving at: that racialism is a complete worldview and any form of compromise is a weakness even if it gains us numbers. Maybe it's not what you are driving at... you're not much of an idealist (and I don't mean that in a bad way). You seem to be more concerned that we are trying to play fair when we should be playing dirty. The whole race problem appears quite simple and straightforward to you, at least that is the impression I get.

Why do you think it appears more complex to others? Is it just a way to avoid actually doing something or do you think there is more to it than that?

I could split hairs on your understanding of Catholicism, but I don't think it's of any value. Most Catholics today are weak believers in comparison to their ancestors anyway.


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Replaces is the wrong verb because it makes it sound like that's the direct intent, and there will be supplied counterpositions for everything the church offers. I'd say NS is offering a better alternative than the church. And if so, given equal footing, will attract people away from the church. Because it emphasizes the good things - strength, beauty and health. Whereas the church emphasizes pity, weakness, and what it calls love.
Given equal footing, I would agree. I think that Marxist critical theory created by the Jews presents a bigger problem because it uproots any sort of ideal as a firm reality to base action upon, whether it be Aryan strength or Christian meekness. We may have a better set of ideals than the Christian, but we have a common enemy.

Even from a historical position this was true, the Church along with the rest of Christian Europe allowed Hitler to rise to power largely because they didn't want to become part of the USSR. People outside of the NS were a lot more hip to the Jew problem as well. NS allowed freedom of religion while the Commies didn't, and that was definitely to the NS advantage.

Things are different now. Christianity is more like communism-lite. However atheism is flaming red... I get why you see Christianity as being a problem. As a political move, it just seems like we're jumping out of the frying pan and into the fire.


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The NS didn't mess with Catholics beyond telling their priests to keep out of politics. I think in retrospect it did not go far enough. But NS neither took over nor reorganized churches, altho there were limited attempts to fuse Aryanism with jesusism. That was a longer-range project I don't think Hitler put much stock in, but Rosenberg did. If NS had been around for 200 years, we'd see more clearly what the NS actually intended, and how the competing systems would have played out. As it is, we can only guess.
Musollini had a more clear/transferable ideology than NS, IMO, and it was entirely anti-religion. He lost a lot of face with his own party when he compromised with the Vatican. Based on that, I think that NS Germany would have given up the Holy Ghost eventually.

I think there is a certain amount of equivalence between Christianity and Aryanism, at least as it was practiced throughout the middle ages. A Christian knight behaved more like an Aryan than Jesus and no one seemed to notice the conflict. If you think about it, Christianity is a religion set up to hate Jews. Since they've stopped hating Jews, the religion has largely lost it's fuel.

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I don't think so. How could it not be that way? What's the alternative to struggling over how to achieve a goal that many different types want, not all for the exact same reason? So it was in Germany too. It's not a Protestant thing. Until one tendency, or one leader, demonstrates clear superiority, there's no incentive to overlook differences, and every incentive to harp on them. 'Catholicism' is just another sect, the one that happened to be first. All christ-insanity is based on revelation, and objectively revelation is nothing but opinion - opinion taking on airs. Opinions and churches are like assholes; almost everyone has them and they all suck, as they say. 'Revelation' is thinking for people who can't think. That's why it's so popular. Anyone can do it, and there's no wrong answer. Imagine how fun and easy math would be if it were like that.
I agree that religion functions on circular logic that has little to do with reality. In fact, a lot of it has to do with fending off reality. And I wish that math did work like that... I would have a holodeck and a flying car right now.

The real difference between the Catholic and Protestant-- any Protestant denomination that I can think of-- is that the Church is the mediator of salvation. The difference in defining an ideological standard follows people even after they give up the Jesus myth.

You've brought up the disagreement about how do we define ourselves. What are the stipulations to being a White Nationalist? It's really a simple answer, but obviously we don't all get it because we all take some very different views on the subject and what we should do. Everybody thinks they're right. There is no external standard.

This, I believe, is because most of these people come from a Southern Baptist background where if you believe someone is wrong about biblical interpretation you just go start a new church a couple blocks away. They project the same bullshit onto race.

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If you show an ability to put out quality propaganda, demonstrate activism in the field, prove you can attract soldiers and writers and speakers, demonstrate you can withstand legal challenges, provably attract large numbers of supporters and make waves in the controlled media - then people of every WN stripe will begin to make their way toward you. That's how it was with Hitler, and it would be here. I don't see anything subjective about it. No group in America can do what I describe, but if one could, it would probably bring most of the sectarian squabbling to a standstill.
Are you trying to make VNN into that organization or get the A3P/Amren people to go more hardcore or do you just see a vacuum in the area of orgs right now?


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Of course there are prudential reasons to want a white nation, but they are not the reasons people will actually be moved to put themselves on the line to get that white nation. Only our supermodel cause will do that. Just as a beautiful woman fills you with lust to fuck her, so the awesome idea of a supermodel world without polluting niggers, graffiting mexicans, and swindling jews makes us horny with political lust. Sell the sizzle, not the steak. Conservative Hefners keep using X-rays for centerfolds and wondering why their mags never move off the newsstand.
This might be the best line I've ever heard in all of WN.

We need something like a Pulitzer Prize for racialist writing.


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Our cause? Despite the dreary repetitions of Strom and Duke, is not a beautiful, holy, or noble thing. God couldn't give a shit. Nature is just as shit bereft. Our cause is a FUCKING PREFERENCE. And what WN leaders don't grasp is THAT is precisely it's strength. They always imagine it's a weakness, because christ-insanity has put in all of us that we must never have the audacity to consult our merest velleity for guidance, but must always defer and refer to some higher authority.

We want a White world. Yes. All of us. But why? Because we do. There is no finer argument. If we have to 'argue' why a why white world is better...we've already lost. It's either self-evident or nothing.

And everybody knows that. It's purely a matter of overcoming the fear to fight for the preferred existence. If there's enough brave leadership, I believe there will prove to be sufficient and sufficiently brave followership to accomplish the goal.
You know, that makes total sense, Alex. We would railroad over the liberals if we had both the right argument and a vision of supermodels without niggers to go with it.

From that point of view, I see what you mean about Christianity being the intellectual equivalent of white male castration.



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Still of the realm of making arguments, and evolution is even weaker than crime data. Who cares? No one, really. It's interesting, but it's not going to move anybody.

Winners don't think like that. It's fatalism, and its for Catholic quietists, not potential Aryan activists. What you're saying is true to limited extent, but it makes a great deal of difference whether there are 10m hardcore Whites in a cramped, unsovereign corner, or there are 150m hardcores spread out sovereign over a rewon North American continent. The difference could well be political leadership. Take a cue from the winners: the jews. Do they sit back and let nature take its course? Hell no. They push the mixing propaganda around the clock. We should fight back around the clock, with every means at our disposal.
The fatalist criticism isn't entirely out of line, but to be straightforward about it, the reasons I think the ultra-libertarian line would be good to follow is:

1. There's money in it. I have no idea how you make a living doing this and I don't care what anyone says, it's a big reason why people don't get involved or stay involved.
2. It appeals to a segment of the population we want: young white males.
3. An anti-state, anti-corporate environment creates the space for such an organization as you described above to rise up.
4. It redefines freedom. The Jews have defined freedom through the media as anything that is personally and racially self-destructive.
 
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This might be the best line I've ever heard in all of WN.

We need something like a Pulitzer Prize for racialist writing.
Covingtonistas extravagantly kissing Linder's ass. Rather blatant and probably not a coincidence.
 
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Covingtonistas extravagantly kissing Linder's ass. Rather blatant and probably not a coincidence.
It's interesting how you sound rational for a while, but then you drop back into attacking Covington. It's almost like Will is using your account some of the time and it's you the rest of time. Naaah...

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I don't know what your opinion of me is, but this is one of the best posts I've seen on this thread.
Hey look someone's kissing your ass. Maybe he's a Covingstonista trying to suck up to you, so you won't notice 'the smell'.

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Don't be rushed into doing something ill-considered. Although our race is losing ground and terrible things are happening, it's probably never really going to be completely too late.
If we are just going to survive anyway, why be a National Socialist in the first place? Why put yourself way out on the fringe of politics if you don't think drastic change is necessary? Doesn't that require us to do something... anything?

And yea, I know, you think I mean misanthropic armed revolution because you've got this whole 'guilt by association' fallacy down to a science. How about just plain old political activity: writing, speaking, meetings, candidates, voting, propaganda, recruiting.

Fuck it. Let's just talk about Covington some more, right Hadding? The white race isn't going anywhere.


Let's see, what else have you been saying to not look too obsessive?

You say a bunch of shit to Greg that he already knows, another "Covingtonista" but I guess he hasn't pissed you off lately or Will didn't notice...

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When the State of Israel collapses, the reputation of the Jews as some kind of magical people will be irreparably damaged. That is to our benefit.
Considering how they used the Holocaust, wouldn't that be the best thing that ever happened? They'd probably go back to Communism or just destroy the Western World taking back Israel.

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I have a hard time grasping the assumptions behind some of the arguments that take place here. If somebody does an exposé of the bad effects of immigration or Negro criminality, is the benefit of it negated because the author didn't go the full nine yards of advocating a racial state?

I don't think so. Jared Taylor and David Duke are not adequate in themselves but they address particular issues and to the extent that they are reaching people that were less than completely clear on those matters, they are doing some good.
That kind of sounds like Greg's argument. That must mean you are a "Covingtonista" and a fag.

What I don't get is why a person calling themselves a National Socialist doesn't understand the difference between NS and conservatism.

There are quite a few things about NS that are from the left. NS is pro-government, pro-labor, pro-birth control, anti-capitalist,and anti-imperialism. You could just as easily get your foot in the door on the left as you could the right. Most white people of child bearing age watch Jon Stewart, not Bill O'Reily, so it would make more sense to infiltrate the left.


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This all depends on to whom you are speaking. Mass-men ruled by sentiment are not going to be receptive to views of history different from what they saw in movies and on TV, but rational people will. Basically it seems that Parrott has committed himself to trying to reach out to mass-man on terms that mass-man finds acceptable, and also based on personal concerns rather than any idealism about truth.

But is this really a question of "strategy" or Parrott's own moral conviction? Parrott himself talks out both sides of his mouth on the Holohoax so that it's hard to discern whether he really even thinks that there is an issue there. He seems to have only a mediocre level of information about it, and not much interest in becoming better informed.
Hmmm, maybe this is a reason not to support conservatives that can get a foot in the door.
 
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It's interesting how you sound rational for a while, but then you drop back into attacking Covington.
I was not attacking Covington per se, but what's irrational about it if I were?

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He swiped that from EMJ. HW's Christianity is as believable as a heel's face turn in wrestling, and likely to last about as long.
 
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A two-state solution is the best they can get, and I would support that, because I want to expel our Palestinian Diaspora as well.
What exactly would your support for the 2SS entail? If not for US diplomatic cover and economic conditionality, the rest of the world would impose BDS on Israel in order, on one reading, to force a one state solution. Should a white nation be forever committed to protecting the jews from the many peoples they've pissed off?

Make a clean break from the Zionist jews, Greg. Make a clean break from the Zionist Jared Taylor, Greg.
 
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With Hadding's inexhaustible support, I've been successful at impersonating Harold Covington online without even trying.

A true test of my abilities will come on Saturday at the NSM rally in Milwaukee, when I attempt to disguise myself as a
 
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With Hadding's inexhaustible support, I've been successful at impersonating Harold Covington online without even trying.
I know about you Jimmy Marr. You're a drinking man who converted to Islam and then didn't give up drinking. I don't believe that your commitment to Covington has been any more serious than that.

As a matter of fact, you even compared Covington to Islam (here). You have tried to make use of both of them without really believing in either.
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With people that support Harold Covington, unless they are neophytes and very poorly informed, it always comes down to that. A Covingtonista can only be somebody that is not troubled by rampant lying.

I will grant that you distinguish yourself among the Covingtonistas, Jimmy Marr, by saying that Covington's lying about other racialists has not been a good thing. (Other Covingtonistas like Robertek think that Covington's lying about Klassen, Pierce, et al. was just fine, and we saw Joe Cooper here also insinuating that it was justified.) But I don't think that lying about the Jews or non-Whites is really a good idea either. The truth is our friend. Our credibility is our best weapon. Our own conviction that we represent truth is the basis of our morale. All of that evaporates if we accept the notion that lying is a good strategy, or that a noteworthy liar can be one of us.

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"The truth is our friend. Our credibility is our best weapon. Our own conviction that we represent truth is the basis of our morale. All of that evaporates if we accept the notion that lying is a good strategy, or that a noteworthy liar can be one of us." - Hadding Scott

I think you're right Hadding, and you've been very helpful in pointing this out to me, but when someone "lies" under the banner of literary fiction, those lies become indemnified as art. I realize that, because of your past affiliation with Harold Covington, and experience with his tendency to do this outside the banner of fiction, you have strong feelings to the contrary.

I never knew Harold Covington before last year. I have no foolproof way of judging his past any more than I can parse the truth of the Bible, so I prefer to judge the tree by its current fruit. I do my best to act as eyes and ears, on the ground, in real time, here in the Northwest. Being advised of information, provided by you, is helpful in providing an historical context for what I see and hear. If I come to feel that Harold Covington is exerting any detrimental influence over real-life people in my area, I will do my best to summon the courage to expose it.

If, on the other hand, I were to support you in your personal crusade against Mr. Covington, I would loose my ability to objectively observe his current activities and expose any engagement in the activities of which you have advised me against.

In the past, I have been overindulgent in promoting the idea of a Northwest migration for my own personal benefit, because I live here and would love to be surrounded by like-minded people. Your work has caused me to become more cautious and cognizant of my personal biases surrounding this issue.

I apologize for my self-seeking indulgences of the past and vow to do my very best in the future to be as objective as possible in these matters. If your intentions are to prevent future harm to our movement, I hope you will support me in my efforts and be less harsh in your criticism of me for my lack of moral vigor in the pursuit of vindication against past wrongdoings of which I had no personal involvement.

In summation, I suggest that I allow you to do your job, and you allow me to do mine, and that our movement become the better for it.
 
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I realize that, because of your past affiliation with Harold Covington, and experience with his tendency to do this outside the banner of fiction, you have strong feelings to the contrary.
I never had any "affiliation" whatsoever with Harold Covington.

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If, on the other hand, I were to support you in your personal crusade against Mr. Covington ...
"Crusade" is a caricature-word. It's also not "personal" any more than my articles defending Saddam Hussein against smears back in 2003 were personal. I am trying to dissuade people from making some really stupid mistakes.

Not asking, not expecting your support.

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In summation, I suggest that I allow you to do your job, and you allow me to do mine.
Was I stopping you from doing something? You mentioned me so I mentioned you in return.

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I know a lot of "conservatives" at least, who are well aware of Negro criminality. Republican-oriented media is full of allusions to it, although they almost always try to present it as a cultural rather than a physical problem. It would be interesting if somebody did a survey that brings out people's real racial views. I suspect that the younger people are more confused than the older ones because the older ones have been keeping their mouths shut and not telling the younger ones what they know.
Pro cons use crime to bash liberal policies. They never mention race as a cause. The illiberal view and conservative view are both lies, premised on the jew-safe Big Lie that race doesn't matter. The illiberal says if we give niggers enough money, they'll act right; the conservative says if we alter social policy so people have incentive to act right, they will, including niggers who live off welfare - basically exist because of it. Neither party says niggers are just like that; nothing you can do but prevent them from destroying you through extermination, free association (which allows housing/community preservation), or deportation.

Where the vast bulk of the education is needed is on the jewish connection. The newby knows blacks are better stayed away from. What he doesn't know is that the reason you can't protect your community by excluding blacks is that organized jewry did away with free association - formerly a Constitutionally guaranteed right.

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Look at Germany. You might have thought in 1945 that the nation was washed up, but now they are poised to rule Europe through their economic might. Capable people, unified through suffering, make a powerful force that can spring back from catastrophes while everybody else falls into self-indulgence and decay.
It's quite clear how individual Whites should act if they want what we all want; we've been over it 1000x. Just because there is no organized White political activity at the moment does not mean ignoring the personal things you can do, rather it means you should redouble your intensity on that front.

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I have no foolproof way of judging his past any more than I can parse the truth of the Bible, so I prefer to judge the tree by its current fruit.
I gave HAC the benefit of the doubt years ago, just to see. He proved in very short order, through inveterate lying, that he was exactly what Will Williams and numerous others say he is.
 
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Beat you to it.

From a couple of years ago:

"The real *TRUTH

You may have seen the truth.org anti-tobacco television commercial where an individual dressed in a full-body rat costume crawls around the sidewalk of a crowded city, they lays down.

A crowd gathers (of course) and the rat displays a sign warning that cigarette smoke contains a compound used in rat poison.

Imagine this:

A young White woman, her blouse ripped, her face a mass of bruises, lies on a sidewalk holding a sign that reads Blacks rape 100 White women a day.

This kind of "street theatre" could be useful to us".
Now that you mention it, I believe I recall that. Now THAT would be shocking. And it could be done pretty easily. Maybe even virtually.

I was thinking of something related to blackening. Blackening of lungs, blackening of society, blackening of tip end of white cigarrette.
 
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