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Old December 13th, 2009 #1
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Also on Radio Free Mississippi this week:

Schedule: (All times are Central Standard Time, CST)

Craig Cobb at 10:00 a.m. Sunday the 13th
Daniel Jones at 01:00 p.m. Sunday the 13th
Dr. Kevin MacDonald at 10:00 a.m. Monday the 14th
Mary Newsom (Chris Newsom's mother) at 8:00 a.m. Thursday the 17th

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Also on Radio Free Mississippi this week:

Schedule: (All times are Central Standard Time, CST)

Craig Cobb at 10:00 a.m. Sunday the 13th
Daniel Jones at 01:00 p.m. Sunday the 13th
Dr. Kevin MacDonald at 10:00 a.m. Monday the 14th
Mary Newsom (Chris Newsom's mother) at 8:00 a.m. Thursday the 17th

http://rebelarmy.com/

Wow !!! That's a hell of an impressive line-up.
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Hunter Wallace responds to Linder's interview:


Interview: Alex Linder III

Dec 13th, 2009 by Hunter Wallace

Jim Giles has a two hour long interview with Alex Linder. Yesterday evening, I listened to the whole thing and have been mulling over writing a response. The first hour is given over to discussing the Bill White legal saga. The second is concerned mostly with the subject of White leadership. I found this latter segment to be of particular interest.

I like Alex Linder. In this struggle, I consider him an ally. We agree on fundamentals: raising the Jewish Question, a White ethnostate, the futility of conservatism. I’m willing to grant that Linder has an important role to play in the pro-White movement. Aside from Kevin MacDonald, I can’t think of anyone who has done more to raise awareness of the Jewish Question over the past ten years. He has created an institutional discursive space on the internet that has put out a consistent anti-Semitic product over a considerable period of time.

That said, I found myself disagreeing with Linder on a number of points made in the second half of the broadcast. This will be a critical review.

1.) Linder repeated his malicious attack on Greg Johnson. He reminded his listeners that he took pride in contributing to the death of Sam Francis. Linder danced on his grave. He revisited ridiculing Francis for his appearance. This is consistent with his ad hominem attacks on Jared Taylor as a “polished turd” and tool of the Jews. In Linder’s mind, this relates back to making a conscious choice to be either a radical or respectable.

I don’t see what trash talk of this sort accomplishes. It is not radical; It is dishonorable, adolescent, and counterproductive. In the eyes of his audience, it actually militates against the substantial point that Linder is trying to make. As a strategem, it recalls to mind the time Linder posted interracial pornography on the VNN frontpage. It completely backfired.

Abandoning any pretense of Jewish respectability, that is, speaking openly and honestly about race and the Jewish Question, mocking PC and multiculturalism; that should not be confused with disavowing White respectability per se, which is acting in an honorable fashion, conducting yourself as a gentleman.

2.) Linder attacked the whole stable of TOQ/TOO writers. His position is essentially this: MacDonald is taking us down the same misguided Sam Francis faileocon path; we don’t want to lead; we don’t want to get out in the street in engage in activism; we’re merely kibbitzing with our essays; we already have plenty of this material; these “dinner parties” accomplish nothing; we’re not infiltrating the elite; we’re academics who over-intellectualize what is simple; we want to be safe and respectable; we engage in fundraising and divert scarce capital from more worthy causes. That’s a fairly accurate summary.

My response:

- Linder is being mendacious. He knows the Sam Francis criticism is unfair. TOQ and TOO openly address the Jewish Question. He knows we endorse a White ethnostate. He knows very well that Greg Johnson, Kevin MacDonald, Ted Sallis and others reject conservatism. He has said so himself. There is no substance to this charge. It is just more radical-than-thou posturing.

- Linder has a weakness for race-blind libertarianism. In fact, rhetorical attacks on “conservatism” aside, in substance he is a rightwing conservative/libertarian on most issues, especially economics and the relative size of government.

- Different people have varying talents. The intellectuals who write for TOQ/TOO (who are mostly academics) tend to be highly educated introverts. They don’t have the personality type that would make them effective political organizers. This is not cowardice on their part. It is realism. They are making use of their strengths to contribute in their own way, which is all that can be asked, and far more than what most are doing.

- White Americans don’t have the requisite racial consciousness that would allow street level activism to succeed. The U.S. in 2009 isn’t Weimar Germany in 1931. A White ADL is a good idea, but a premature one. We have to change the culture first. That is mostly a war of ideas. Jews were fighting this war of ideas in the 1920’s (Boas & Co.) and the 1930’s (ex. Partisan Review) before they began influence public policy (1940’s and 1950’s). Aside from the TOQ/TOO community, can you point to anyone else on our side who is doing this, and by that I mean in a presentable way?

- We’re pushing at the margins of respectable discourse. These essays contain memes which can take on a life of their own. Memes that originate in the White Nationalist community have found their way (via discourse poisoning) into the national political conversation before. The discursive milieu that an individual is immersed has a strong influence on his/her identity.

For example, Americans who attend church on a regular basis tend to have attitudes and opinions that atheists/agnostics do not. Linder himself has stressed the importance of Jewish control of the media in socializing Whites into anti-racist mores. The WN media operates in the same way.

- We don’t have enough of this material. Occidental Dissent is one of the few blogs on the internet that publishes material about White Nationalism on a daily basis. We have a handful of people doing radio. Aside from Craig Bodeker, no one exploiting film. Aside from the skinhead and folk metal scene, no one doing music. White Nationalism has one huge forum, a regular newsletter, and a handful of other sites. That’s it. Our limited reach reflects the limits of the WN media.

- White Nationalism is almost exclusively a cyberspace phenomena. Internet relationships are fragile and tend to correlate with social withdrawl. We need more real life meetups, not less. These “dinner parties” are a good thing.

- The conspiracy we are engaged in has been reasonably effective, but Linder is not in a position to be privy to that information and consequently to judge its results.

- As numerous posts have shown, the Single Jewish Cause theory is indefensible. Northern Whites embarked on the suicidal path in the Civil War era.

- Kevin MacDonald has experienced considerable harassment and social ostracism. The Whites who write for TOO/TOQ are also subject to ritual shaming, but most of them are clever enough to avoid it by using pseudonyms.

- As a supporter of free market capitalism, I am surprised that Linder is so critical of White entrepreneurs like Peter Brimelow and the successful enterprise he has created. Is it really a bad thing to make money off being pro-White? Pot calling the kettle black. I’ve seen Linder solicit donations on his own site. His neglect of the VNN front page is a contrast from the daily updated VDARE site.

I would like to end on a positive note. Linder has influenced my thinking on the Jewish Question. His constant hammering away at the issue stuck in mind. Jewish influence is a major problem in our society. I don’t think we should shy away from the Jewish role. That was the essence of Linder’s criticism. To this laudatory end, I have started a new website that focuses exclusively on the JQ and fighting philo-Semitism, but in a measured way that avoids hyperbole and exaggeration.

http://www.occidentaldissent.com/200...ex-linder-iii/
 
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I detest it when White Nationalists spend their time attacking other White Nationalists, unless in the rare instances where there is some indication that the person under attack is a mole, which isn't the case with the Occidental Quarterly or Kevin MacDonald. As a matter of fact, WN who routinely attack other leaders in the movement place themselves under suspicion of being deep cover moles. What other reason is there for firing cannonballs within one's own lines, other than personality disorder and immaturity? Linder's great fault is that he picks a quarrel with every movement leader there happens to be, which makes coordinated efforts impossible. Not that it particularly matters. The movement is so marginal what real difference does marginalizing activity like attacking the OQ really have? None. It is a hopeless cause anyway. It is our own little buffalo dance.
 
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Jim giles is turning into the larry King of white talk, except he doesn't remind you of a lizard and he's not a sleazy kikester


He needs our support and promotion
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- White Nationalism is almost exclusively a cyberspace phenomena. Internet relationships are fragile and tend to correlate with social withdrawl. We need more real life meetups, not less. These “dinner parties” are a good thing.

- The conspiracy we are engaged in has been reasonably effective, but Linder is not in a position to be privy to that information and consequently to judge its results.

- As numerous posts have shown, the Single Jewish Cause theory is indefensible. Northern Whites embarked on the suicidal path in the Civil War era.

- Kevin MacDonald has experienced considerable harassment and social ostracism. The Whites who write for TOO/TOQ are also subject to ritual shaming, but most of them are clever enough to avoid it by using pseudonyms.

- As a supporter of free market capitalism, I am surprised that Linder is so critical of White entrepreneurs like Peter Brimelow and the successful enterprise he has created. Is it really a bad thing to make money off being pro-White? Pot calling the kettle black. I’ve seen Linder solicit donations on his own site. His neglect of the VNN front page is a contrast from the daily updated VDARE site.

I would like to end on a positive note. Linder has influenced my thinking on the Jewish Question. His constant hammering away at the issue stuck in mind. Jewish influence is a major problem in our society. I don’t think we should shy away from the Jewish role. That was the essence of Linder’s criticism. To this laudatory end, I have started a new website that focuses exclusively on the JQ and fighting philo-Semitism, but in a measured way that avoids hyperbole and exaggeration.

http://www.occidentaldissent.com/200...ex-linder-iii/

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Thank you for the thoughtful review Mr. Wallace.

Yes, the so called Civil war was a flat out crime by Northern folk lead by Bank elite's who stirred it up for years proceding that horrible tragedy. Also remember Northerner's were jailed and arrested by the thousands and NY State was never for it, though many of its natural born son's died on Southern soil, and the insurrection in NYC of 1864 killed thousands, but is erronously known as the draft riots.


As for jooish power they had alot of it in the U.S. with the hold on media prior to Dec. 7, 1941, but it was that crime of high Treason IMO that has allowed the boot to be put on our necks today and bent US over at airports with homoland insecurity savages handling US and our loved ones.

The White men and majority of Congress were steadfastly against going to war in Europe on the side of Joseph Stalin and his killers who controlled Russia with Terror calling it the USSR, for two plus years prior to Dec. 7,1941 hence the Cabal's need for the set up with the crime of murder and treason to get Japan to attack US With Pearl Harbor. The enemy alien media could then scream war with head lines of Sneak Attack b.s. Most of US then had no idea Where Pearl Harbor was.

As for Linder, I agree the attacks on Francis and Taylor are in the end not worthy at all. Any one who accepts money or gifts, should not yell about others who do so.

Insults and infighting with Straight Whites who are trying to awaken others too like Original Dissent Forum by some VNN posters is IMO the work of a sophist at best.

I do not listen to the radio show.
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Old December 13th, 2009 #7
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Wallace said

" - As numerous posts have shown, the Single Jewish Cause theory is indefensible. Northern Whites embarked on the suicidal path in the Civil War era."

Newsflash: Jews existed prior to the Civil War. They have undermined all the people of the earth with whom they've come into contact. There were jews behind the French Revolution, and behind the American Revolution. Read E. Michael Jones's _The Jewish Revolutionary Spirit_, and get his magazine "Culture Wars."

Wallace's position is either

a. I can't see the forest for the trees. After all, not everything can be blamed on disease theory; flu is a bad thing, too!

b. He's a crypto jew, infiltrating WN to blame White people for getting cancer instead of blaming the cancer.

JEWS ARE THE PROBLEM. Not Lincoln, not the estate tax, not the removal of the Stars 'N' Bars by "liberals," not even niggers. Those are merely heads of the hydra. The hydra is the jew.

Everybody has problems. Drink and divorce, perhaps, or being overweight, or not making enough money. Every people has problems. *But there is no problem like being genocided.* There is no problem like disappearing as a people. That the *THE* problem. And the root cause of that problem is that jews have wounded us, like a dog wounding a bear. The solution to the problem is NOT for the bear to blame himself. To wonder what internal weakness he has that caused his flesh to be susceptible to being wounded by the teeth of a dog. To fret that he is not as quick and agile as the dog. To wallow in morose soul-searching and naval-gazing. No, the solution is for him to KILL THAT DOG (and any others in the vicinity).

Jews are not the cause of all the problems that humans face; they are, however, the cause of THE problem (i.e., the fundamental problem) that our people faces. They are a predator that wounds us and is killing us. They must be beaten and exterminated before we die. They are not a COMPETITOR in the honorable sense, and we have not been bested in a fair fight. They're demons who have poisoned us, dogs who have ripped out the throats of our loved ones. You don't respond to that by blaming yourself and declaring: "The problem isn't them. It's ME...! Boo hoo, boo hoo!!!" You respond to that by KILLING THE JEWS.

Wallace should try reading a little more about jews and a little less about Civil War arcana.

Anyone who says jews aren't Problem #1 is stone-cold ignorant about most of history - or a jew himself.

Wallace continues:

"- Is it really a bad thing to make money off being pro-White? Pot calling the kettle black. I’ve seen Linder solicit donations on his own site."

You're a liar. Linder solicited money once for a legal defense fund for someone else. He has never solicited money for himself. (New America used to do that, in the comments section of the main site. Remember his "Send Alex $50" mantra? But that wasn't Linder.)

Wallace, you liar, direct us to any online appeal for money that Linder has made for himself or for VNN.

I'm getting sick of these Stormfart types popping up with their little suspicious comments to the effect that "Linder is okay, but we need to take the focus off the jews." "Let's not blame the jews for this." "We need to de-emphasize all the anti-jewish stuff." "Don't look at the jews - look over here, instead! Look over there! Look anywhere but at the kike!" "It just isn't nice or rational to talk against the jewish faith," etc. etc.

Seems there are a lot of these suspicious types popping up lately.
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Old December 13th, 2009 #8
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His neglect of the VNN front page is a contrast from the daily updated VDARE site.
Say what you want about VNN, but to me (a non-intellectual, average white guy), VDARE and OccObserver are both confusing, cluttered eyesores.

Plus, we don't need any more eggheadery. Alex is totally right on this point. Not to mention that Alex could out-egghead 95% of the so-called White Nationalist intellectual elite.

Alex is very smart, and he's very composed when he speaks in a way that is reminiscent (even superseding) Matt Hale. His way of putting his thoughts into clear, concise, inspiring speech is unmatched in the so-called movement right now. Listening to David Duke is like listening to Kermit the Frog.

I think if Alex got his health back, he would be a very effective leader for the proposal he made last night. The great thing about him is that he makes excellent, irrefutable points, AND NEVER MILQUETOASTS IT UP like some of these other so-called intellectual eggheads running their mouths (or keyboards as it were).

If it takes a change of scenery, then so be it. I know that it's difficult to uproot and move to an area that you may or may not have any support/family/friends in, but the old adage is true; if you haven't got your health, you haven't got anything.

Move to Utah or Arizona and fire it up.
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1.) Linder repeated his malicious attack on Greg Johnson.
How is calling him a homosexual a malicious attack?

He has never denied it. I'm not known a liar. I've never called anyone a jew/homo/informant when it couldn't be backed up. You know Johnson. Do you dare to ask him straight up whether he is a queer?

Greg Johnson is in fact a homosexual. And it is certainly relevant to know that someone in an important WN position is a homosexual.

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He reminded his listeners that he took pride in contributing to the death of Sam Francis. Linder danced on his grave.
True. I was absolutely consistent in my attacks on Francis while he was alive and after he died. My attacks were completely correct, completely vindicated by all history. I have nothing to apologize for, and I will continue to attack the obese loser and any self-styled WN who makes excuses for him or encourage others down his cowardly path of failure. He is the poster boy for trying to have it both ways, and nothing you or anyone writes can change that fact. Sam Francis never called himself a WN in any public column, but he blamed WN for not backing him up when he was fired. That shows you his character.

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This is consistent with his ad hominem attacks on Jared Taylor as a “polished turd” and tool of the Jews.
Polished turd is the best possible term to describe Jared Taylor. It fits him exactly. Apparently you and TOQ and MacDonald are unable to separate your politics from your personal friendships. I am. I see exactly what PT is doing, and I will continue to call him what he is, and encourage others to reject him.

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In Linder’s mind, this relates back to making a conscious choice to be either a radical or respectable.
Yes. Another way of putting it, as I advised in my long piece on Buchanan (here) is that the right way for us to go, who want what you call an ethnostate free of jews is to draw an indelible line between WN and conservatives. That means rejecting and treating as jew-liberals people like Jared Taylor and Pat Buchanan. You don't agree with this position, apparently. You, and many others, while saying you are not conservatives, have truck with them, and in practice write and seem to think as though we are all part of the same movement. What I have been trying to get across, for years, is that we are not. Buchanan, Vdare, Jared Taylor, have nothing to do with our cause. They are our enemies, not our friends.

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I don’t see what trash talk of this sort accomplishes. It is not radical; It is dishonorable, adolescent, and counterproductive.
Are you sure?

Here are things I find dishonorable.

- Sam Francis refusing to call himself WN, but demanding WN support.

- Greg Johnson refusing to admit he is a homosexual, nor to detail just what kind of a homo-network he is part of, or buliding inside TOQ.

- Greg Johnson allowing his writer 'Edmund Connolly' to plagiarize my concept of loxism, while pretending he conceived the need for such a concept/term on his own.

- Kevin MacDonald publicly praising public conservatives like Pat Buchanan who never even mention him, let alone praise him, while saying that people at VNN "aren't helping" when we come to his defense when he's under attack by the SPLC.

Those are not honorable. They are the actions of men who are character conservatives. Yes, they criticize jews. Which is good and necessary. But it's not sufficient to change things. If they don't follow the correct line, which I have laid down, then I can hardly be blamed for blaming them. This idea we should go our own way, and not criticize others who might be on our side for the way they do things - in practice, that leads to problems. And it's also self-refuting. When you or Johnson say VNN and I should go our own way and not worry about others, you're denying us our way. I criticize anyone who needs critism, on my side or not. That's our way.

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Abandoning any pretense of Jewish respectability, that is, speaking openly and honestly about race and the Jewish Question, mocking PC and multiculturalism; that should not be confused with disavowing White respectability per se, which is acting in an honorable fashion, conducting yourself as a gentleman.
Who is on whose side? People who call themselves WN but fawn after Buchanan and Jared Taylor and jew Paul Gottfried are the ones acting dishonorably and, more than that, stupidly. They aren't Aryan in the least. They plagiarize and fawn after those with more money or public fame than they have. This is not WN. It is the conservatism you say you reject.

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- Linder is being mendacious. He knows the Sam Francis criticism is unfair. TOQ and TOO openly address the Jewish Question. He knows we endorse a White ethnostate. He knows very well that Greg Johnson, Kevin MacDonald, Ted Sallis and others reject conservatism. He has said so himself. There is no substance to this charge. It is just more radical-than-thou posturing.
I've already answered this above. Here, my point is, why use an absolutely silly term like 'ethnostate' - it's as dumb and misconceived as 'ethnic genetic interests.'

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- Linder has a weakness for race-blind libertarianism. In fact, rhetorical attacks on “conservatism” aside, in substance he is a rightwing conservative/libertarian on most issues, especially economics and the relative size of government.
True. We don't need government, not even a Nazi government, once we get the racial situation cleaned up. My position echoes with a lot more people than your big-government leftist academic view in which evil corporations are the real problem. Not only that, but you're completely missing what is unfolding right in front of your eyes. We don't need these government regulatory bodies. No matter where you look they are creating or exacerbating problems.

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- White Americans don’t have the requisite racial consciousness that would allow street level activism to succeed. The U.S. in 2009 isn’t Weimar Germany in 1931. A White ADL is a good idea, but a premature one. We have to change the culture first. That is mostly a war of ideas. Jews were fighting this war of ideas in the 1920’s (Boas & Co.) and the 1930’s (ex. Partisan Review) before they began influence public policy (1940’s and 1950’s). Aside from the TOQ/TOO community, can you point to anyone else on our side who is doing this, and by that I mean in a presentable way?
If TOQ or Vdare were serious about changing culture, they would be developing a HS curriculum, not writing high-level academic essays that are a long trudge, even for the educated.

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- As a supporter of free market capitalism, I am surprised that Linder is so critical of White entrepreneurs like Peter Brimelow and the successful enterprise he has created. Is it really a bad thing to make money off being pro-White?
Brimelow isn't pro-White. Ask him.

This is where you and I disagree most strongly. You think everyone out there who sort of agrees on some of the problems is on the same side. I think they are not. Brimelow is business to raise money. He is not a pro-White, and would never describe himself that way. He runs a government approved foundation and employs non-white writers, including jews.

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Pot calling the kettle black. I’ve seen Linder solicit donations on his own site. His neglect of the VNN front page is a contrast from the daily updated VDARE site.
VNN is updated daily, thanks to Socrates, and I have put out far more ideas, and better ideas, than anybody else on the Net. No one, by contrast, associates a single idea or expression with Brimelow - or anybody at Vdare. I haven't read that site in years, it's just there to draw money from the middle class, not to make change that helps Whites.

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exclusively on the JQ and fighting philo-Semitism, but in a measured way that avoids hyperbole and exaggeration.
Here's the truth about yourself, which you don't realize. Your value, which is great, lies in your knowledge of American racial history. That's where you are close to unique when it comes to 'net commentary. On the rest of the stuff, you'll come around to my position, as you already have in many ways. Sometimes you are echoing me without even seeming to know it.

I like your writing, and you. I get a little irritated at your straw man 'Single Jewish Cause,' but whatever, no big deal.

In conclusion:

- direct, vicious, even vulgar personal and political attacks are the right way to go, and we'll continue that here
- NOT crediting people, plagiarizing them, displaying a back-dog spirit of fawning after rich, successful conservatives, naming and citing them, but not naming and citing people on your own side - continues to be the wrong way to go, and TOQ and Johnson, and even MacDonald, should be ashamed of their actions in this regard
- altho personal attacks are good, specific claims should be backed by evidence. No one should be accused of being a jew, or a fed, unless there is evidence put out. Those who make false accusations should be and will continue to be shunned at VNN. I say our ethics are not lower than TOQs and the other jew-criticizing conservatives, they are higher. We have put out more and better ideas than they have, and our behavior has been stronger and purer.
- it IS the time for more activism. The woman down in StL can't get the school board to release the video of her daughter being attacked by a nigger. KM and TOQ and "Hunter Wallace" can write another 1000 essays, and that won't change. You can't change the culture except in very limited ways without controlling the government and the mass media. That means politics, and that means activism.

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"Everybody has problems. Drink and divorce, perhaps, or being overweight, or not making enough money. Every people has problems. *But there is no problem like being genocided.* There is no problem like disappearing as a people. That the *THE* problem. And the root cause of that problem is that jews have wounded us, like a dog wounding a bear. The solution to the problem is NOT for the bear to blame himself. To wonder what internal weakness he has that caused his flesh to be susceptible to being wounded by the teeth of a dog. To fret that he is not as quick and agile as the dog. To wallow in morose soul-searching and naval-gazing. No, the solution is for him to KILL THAT DOG (and any others in the vicinity).

Jews are not the cause of all the problems that humans face; they are, however, the cause of THE problem (i.e., the fundamental problem) that our people faces. They are a predator that wounds us and is killing us. They must be beaten and exterminated before we die. They are not a COMPETITOR in the honorable sense, and we have not been bested in a fair fight. They're demons who have poisoned us, dogs who have ripped out the throats of our loved ones. You don't respond to that by blaming yourself and declaring: "The problem isn't them. It's ME...! Boo hoo, boo hoo!!!" You respond to that by KILLING THE JEWS.
Yep. Very well put.

And this is the reason I will never let up hounding cunts, fakes and seducers like Sam-Jerry "Polished Turd" Taylor who tell us to blame our own grandparents but never ever mention the jews.
 
Old December 13th, 2009 #11
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No doubt in my mind that Alex Linder's struggle to keep the VNN Web Site up for almost ten years. Ten Years! Is a monument in its self of courage and he stayed out various traps I would Guess too.

I would presume with out VNN or some one else to have done it, there might not be half of us White folks awake today to the truths about jooo's and their history of back stabbing Western Nations with their folk.



As for Jerry Taylor and his A.R. which I have not read for five years now, but I do make use of their past articles and add to it What the joos role was in making a certain problem worse or creating it to begin with. For as every thing Alex Linder and others have critized Taylor have been the truth told about him which he deseve's, but I believe that A.R. has caused alot of White men to find/read VNNF.

A.R. and other coward's have helped plow the fields for VNNF to plant robust seeds.

With out a doubt joos read VNNF every day too and post too is my bet.



As for the spelling of jooo's that all they deserve.

One note on David Duke His Book "My Awakening" did reach what 300,000 copies, and he made such a great lecture on C-SPAN that the Congoids, joos and race traitors at CSPAN never let him on again as far as I know.
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Old December 13th, 2009 #12
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How is calling him a homosexual a malicious attack?

He has never denied it. I'm not known a liar. I've never called anyone a jew/homo/informant when it couldn't be backed up. You know Johnson. Do you dare to ask him straight up whether he is a queer?

Greg Johnson is in fact a homosexual. And it is certainly relevant to know that someone in an important WN position is a homosexual.
Lets say this accusation is born out by the facts. What then? What if people choose to overlook the fact because a man is brilliant, tireless, committed, and as dedicated as anyone on VNN. Hitler worked with not only known homosexuals but ones that slummed and a carried on publicly. Homosexuality is a fact of human existence. It has been around forever, and it will continue to be around. It is concievable that a person could be both homosexual and a great benefit to our cause. Would you turn away a homosexual billionaire if he offered to contribute to the cause?

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KM and TOQ and "Hunter Wallace" can write another 1000 essays, and that won't change. You can't change the culture except in very limited ways without controlling the government and the mass media. That means politics, and that means activism.
Your attack on writers is hilarious in light of the fact that you are a writer yourself, a kind of WN H.L. Mencken. You have all the usual literary pretensions, which is okay but ridiculous when you start criticizing the same qualities in others.

Can anyone here imagine our enemies attacking one another the way we attack one another? Ever read the Jews mount an attack on that homosexual Jew that has partial control of Disney? It is ludicrous the way we attack each other.
 
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Lets say this accusation is born out by the facts. What then? What if people choose to overlook the fact because a man is brilliant, tireless, committed, and as dedicated as anyone on VNN. Hitler worked with not only known homosexuals but ones that slummed and a carried on publicly. Homosexuality is a fact of human existence. It has been around forever, and it will continue to be around. It is concievable that a person could be both homosexual and a great benefit to our cause. Would you turn away a homosexual billionaire if he offered to contribute to the cause?
I have said he is brilliant. As far as I know, VNN published his first work, and perhaps his best work.

Having homos as leaders is considerably more problematic than having them as pseudonymous writers or donors.

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Your attack on writers is hilarious in light of the fact that you are a writer yourself, a kind of WN H.L. Mencken. You have all the usual literary pretensions, which is okay but ridiculous when you start criticizing the same qualities in others.

Can anyone here imagine our enemies attacking one another the way we attack one another? Ever read the Jews mount an attack on that homosexual Jew that has partial control of Disney? It is ludicrous the way we attack each other.
Nah, it doesn't matter, really. I could say Johnson is attacking me by allowing plagiarism rather than doing the Aryan thing and crediting me with the concept of loxism. And I hate that I even have to say that, because it sounds like I'm whining for credit when what I'm actually doing is expressing spitting disgust at conservative-fawning idea-thieves. It is low and unAryan in the extreme to plagiarize.

I will continue to chastize these implicit conservatives wherever I find them in the WN community. Heheheh, oh I will. If they can't meet or beat me, how they gonna handle the jews?

Of course I'm not against writing, I'm merely making the point that the cutting edge today, if it existed, wouldn't be writing but would be acting. Agitating and advocating in public.

We with the fundamental problem with things must be pushing the boundaries to create the change we seek, and writing essays isn't doing that. It's just more of the same. That's the sum of what I'm saying. That and don't steal others' ideas without crediting them, it is unAryan.
 
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How is calling him a homosexual a malicious attack?
It is a personal attack, a low blow, a cheap shot. It is the verbal equivilant of a kick in the groin or an eye gouge.

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He has never denied it. I'm not known a liar. I've never called anyone a jew/homo/informant when it couldn't be backed up. You know Johnson. Do you dare to ask him straight up whether he is a queer?
Yes, I know Greg Johnson. We've met several times. We talk on the phone all the time. I don't know many people who are more valuable assets to the movement. I've heard you say that he wrote some of the best articles ever published by VNN. As for his sexuality, I have never asked him about the matter. Like your Chron's disease, I don't consider it relevant to the struggle we are engaged in.

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Greg Johnson is in fact a homosexual. And it is certainly relevant to know that someone in an important WN position is a homosexual.
If I am not in a position to know this, then I am certain you are not either. Even if it were true, it is nowhere near as much of a concern as the flaws of people like Bill White, Rounder, or Hal Turner, not to mention Todd in FL, the amateur bombmaker who used to post here.

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True. I was absolutely consistent in my attacks on Francis while he was alive and after he died. My attacks were completely correct, completely vindicated by all history. I have nothing to apologize for, and I will continue to attack the obese loser and any self-styled WN who makes excuses for him or encourage others down his cowardly path of failure. He is the poster boy for trying to have it both ways, and nothing you or anyone writes can change that fact. Sam Francis never called himself a WN in any public column, but he blamed WN for not backing him up when he was fired. That shows you his character.
There are substantial criticisms of Sam Francis to be made. He was too soft on the Jews. He was too critical of anti-Semites. He tried to keep a foot in both words, conservative and racialist. To a point, I agree with you.

The personal attacks on Francis - he was an obese homosexual loser - detract from your case. They create sympathy for Francis.

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Polished turd is the best possible term to describe Jared Taylor. It fits him exactly.
Taylor is the most courtly, regal person I know. He conducts himself as a gentleman. This is one of his greatest assets. He doesn't come across as a stereotypical racist. People who would instantly dismiss a Rounder or ANSWP Commander Bill White pay attention to Taylor when he speaks.

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Apparently you and TOQ and MacDonald are unable to separate your politics from your personal friendships. I am. I see exactly what PT is doing, and I will continue to call him what he is, and encourage others to reject him.
This is untrue. I believe Taylor is an asset. He is like a racialist high school teacher. He introduces implicit whites to the basics of racial consciousness. He's good at doing that and I support his work.

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Yes. Another way of putting it, as I advised in my long piece on Buchanan (here) is that the right way for us to go, who want what you call an ethnostate free of jews is to draw an indelible line between WN and conservatives. That means rejecting and treating as jew-liberals people like Jared Taylor and Pat Buchanan. You don't agree with this position, apparently.
I have a different standard. While I loathe conservatism, I see incrementalism as unavoidable. I define victory as pulling the national discourse on race and Jews in our direction. Taylor and Buchanan are gateways to White Nationalism.

They bring aspects of our message to a larger audience. I myself followed that path into the movement. How can I condemn Buchanan when it was one of his books that led me to White Nationalism?

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You, and many others, while saying you are not conservatives, have truck with them, and in practice write and seem to think as though we are all part of the same movement.
You're more of a conservative than I am. You know this, Alex.

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What I have been trying to get across, for years, is that we are not. Buchanan, Vdare, Jared Taylor, have nothing to do with our cause. They are our enemies, not our friends.
You have a lot of substantial criticisms of all of the above (Francis included). Once again, I agree with you to a point. Your conclusion, however, is vanguardist purism. It is myopic to believe that everyone can start out as radical as you are. To newbies, you sound like you are from Neptune.

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Are you sure?
Yes. I'm not the only one who had this reaction.

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Here are things I find dishonorable.

- Sam Francis refusing to call himself WN, but demanding WN support.
Granted, a fair point.

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- Greg Johnson refusing to admit he is a homosexual, nor to detail just what kind of a homo-network he is part of, or buliding inside TOQ.
I don't know of any homosexuals inside TOQ. Do you have any hard evidence of this?

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- Greg Johnson allowing his writer 'Edmund Connolly' to plagiarize my concept of loxism, while pretending he conceived the need for such a concept/term on his own.
Where did Edmund Connolly use the term?

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- Kevin MacDonald publicly praising public conservatives like Pat Buchanan who never even mention him, let alone praise him, while saying that people at VNN "aren't helping" when we come to his defense when he's under attack by the SPLC.
MacDonald probably has the same perspective I do: it is easier for us to reach and influence Buchanan's readers than other conservatives. Buchanan is a key player in popularizing our ideas on the far end of the conservative spectrium. He is a gateway to the mainstream. Buchanan and Taylor generally don't attack us. An enemy would return fire.

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Those are not honorable. They are the actions of men who are character conservatives. Yes, they criticize jews. Which is good and necessary. But it's not sufficient to change things. If they don't follow the correct line, which I have laid down, then I can hardly be blamed for blaming them.
As a practical matter, what would you have us do? How would you reach into the mainstream? How would you overcome the Neptune Effect?

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This idea we should go our own way, and not criticize others who might be on our side for the way they do things - in practice, that leads to problems.
Of course we should criticize others in the movement. I've criticized Brimelow, Taylor, Buchanan and Francis myself. The question is how we should go about doing it.

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And it's also self-refuting. When you or Johnson say VNN and I should go our own way and not worry about others, you're denying us our way. I criticize anyone who needs critism, on my side or not. That's our way.
I don't think anyone minds you making fair and reasonable criticisms of TOO/TOQ. That's not the issue.

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Who is on whose side? People who call themselves WN but fawn after Buchanan and Jared Taylor and jew Paul Gottfried are the ones acting dishonorably and, more than that, stupidly. They aren't Aryan in the least. They plagiarize and fawn after those with more money or public fame than they have. This is not WN. It is the conservatism you say you reject.
Addressing the Jewish Question, endorsing a White ethnostate, embracing White racial consciousness ... this is not conservatism by a long shot. On the other hand, calling for the abolition of all financial regulation and popular social programs, well, that sounds very much like conservatism to me.

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I've already answered this above. Here, my point is, why use an absolutely silly term like 'ethnostate' - it's as dumb and misconceived as 'ethnic genetic interests.'
We're trying to reach people who are scientifically literate, intelligent, and well educated. Unlike the man on the street, these people typically have money and influence.

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True. We don't need government, not even a Nazi government, once we get the racial situation cleaned up. My position echoes with a lot more people than your big-government leftist academic view in which evil corporations are the real problem. Not only that, but you're completely missing what is unfolding right in front of your eyes. We don't need these government regulatory bodies. No matter where you look they are creating or exacerbating problems.
I will save this for my upcoming plunge into conservatism/libertarianism. In the meantime, I will hold this up as an excellent example of what I call "discourse poisoning"; in this case, the penetration of libertarian memes into White Nationalism.

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If TOQ or Vdare were serious about changing culture, they would be developing a HS curriculum, not writing high-level academic essays that are a long trudge, even for the educated.
A HS curriculum is a good idea. It is a worthy project. Rusty Mason had expressed interest in doing it. You should speak with him.

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Brimelow isn't pro-White. Ask him. This is where you and I disagree most strongly. You think everyone out there who sort of agrees on some of the problems is on the same side. I think they are not. Brimelow is business to raise money. He is not a pro-White, and would never describe himself that way. He runs a government approved foundation and employs non-white writers, including jews.
I've seen Brimelow deny being a White Nationalist before. Again, there are substantial criticisms of Brimelow to be made, but they don't have to be teethered to the albatross of personal attacks or abusive language.
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This is untrue. I believe Taylor is an asset. He is like a racialist high school teacher. He introduces implicit whites to the basics of racial consciousness.
Any white racial consciousness that includes the Jews is suicidal. Jim Crow, apartheid and white Australia were all strong forms of racial consciousness (far more racist than German NS), but they all included the Jews as white, and the Jews used their insider status to destroy them all.
 
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It is a personal attack, a low blow, a cheap shot. It is the verbal equivilant of a kick in the groin or an eye gouge.
Mmm...I'm not persuaded. Read up on homosexuality. It's not a light thing. There's a reason he didn't disclose it...to me...knowing I don't like it...when he first showed up at VNN. Not really that honorable behavior you're talking about, is it?

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Yes, I know Greg Johnson. We've met several times. We talk on the phone all the time. I don't know many people who are more valuable assets to the movement. I've heard you say that he wrote some of the best articles ever published by VNN. As for his sexuality, I have never asked him about the matter. Like your Chron's disease, I don't consider it relevant to the struggle we are engaged in.
Ulcerative colitis is not a deviant sexual behavior reflecting mental perversion. If I'd acquired UC by chronically sodomizing duct-taped field mice, you'd be irresponsible not to raise questions. How many queers can you high-roaders draft into your ranks before your righteous wholesomeness starts to stink up your pitch to the whites mesmerized by MTV?

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If I am not in a position to know this, then I am certain you are not either. Even if it were true, it is nowhere near as much of a concern as the flaws of people like Bill White, Rounder, or Hal Turner, not to mention Todd in FL, the amateur bombmaker who used to post here.
Yeah...comparing apples and oranges, rather obviously. Posting on a web forum is hardly the same as occupying a prominent WN post.

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There are substantial criticisms of Sam Francis to be made. He was too soft on the Jews. He was too critical of anti-Semites. He tried to keep a foot in both words, conservative and racialist. To a point, I agree with you.

The personal attacks on Francis - he was an obese homosexual loser - detract from your case. They create sympathy for Francis.
I called him an obese loser, which he was. I only speculated he was a queer. I never accused because I don't know it for a fact. With Johnson, I accused. And so far, neither Johnson nor any of his defenders has denied the charge.

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Taylor is the most courtly, regal person I know.
Yes. That would be the polish in the 'Polished.'

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He conducts himself as a gentleman.
Not in his argumentation. He is dirty as hell in his intellectualizing, his stock in trade.

You started making by excuses for homosexuals; now you're making excuses for jew-exculpaters. I'm afraid this trail will end in the mouth of an alligator!

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This is one of his greatest assets. He doesn't come across as a stereotypical racist. People who would instantly dismiss a Rounder or ANSWP Commander Bill White pay attention to Taylor when he speaks.
Would you agree the Nazis are winners? Would you agree the jews are winners? Find me Taylor's equivalent in either of those two camps. Even if Taylor were 100% successful in getting people to hate niggers - that's like trying to persuade people to like ice cream. You've even said this yourself, in your rational moments. Regardless of your admiration for his leonine carriage, you should be able to see that no one as smart as Taylor would act the way he does - unless he were running a deeper game. EMJones has figured it out. I've figured it out. Michael Piper has figured it out. Why can't you? Are you really that bedazzled by manners? Funny thing is, you hate conservatives, but you are one. You value custom, propriety and bearing like a good Southerner. You are a functional conservative, just as MacDonald and the high-road crew are implicit conservatives.

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This is untrue. I believe Taylor is an asset. He is like a racialist high school teacher. He introduces implicit whites to the basics of racial consciousness. He's good at doing that and I support his work.
We've been over this and over this. You know that whites already know the truth about race. You've said it. You know the stats about relocating whites moving to whiter areas, whites voting against affirmative action and open borders.

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I have a different standard. While I loathe conservatism, I see incrementalism as unavoidable. I define victory as pulling the national discourse on race and Jews in our direction. Taylor and Buchanan are gateways to White Nationalism.
Was the Catholic Center Party a gateway to Nazism? There are no gateways. Especially not in the age of the Internet.

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They bring aspects of our message to a larger audience. I myself followed that path into the movement. How can I condemn Buchanan when it was one of his books that led me to White Nationalism?
Uh, to be unmannerly, I don't really believe you. You've been on the internet for ten years and surely have seen harder stuff than you ever got in his books.

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You're more of a conservative than I am. You know this, Alex.
Yes and no. Yes in that I have a small businessman's respect for the market, whereas you have an academic's respect for the government. And yes in the sense I read Burke and Kirk and some libertarians whereas you read some leftists and communitarians. No in the sense I do not share your respect for manners and propriety when they come at the expensive of effective terms and tactics. Another big functional difference between us is that my entire being is hypersensitively, almost neurasthenically, attuned to the use of terms to pre-win arguments. You by contrast are very, very functionally conservative in using the terms as they are conventionally used. Not saying you don't occasionally coin or appreciate neologism, but to say your default standard is conventional usage. It's parallel to your respect for manners. (I'm all for conventional manners at the dinner table, but not in political warfare, which is in most times carried out in term-struggles and only sometimes on the field.) So it's not so simple to say who is the real conservative.

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You have a lot of substantial criticisms of all of the above (Francis included). Once again, I agree with you to a point. Your conclusion, however, is vanguardist purism. It is myopic to believe that everyone can start out as radical as you are. To newbies, you sound like you are from Neptune.
Terms like vanguardist, mainstream, extremist, purist - they don't mean anything to me, they're just adjectives applied to make the user feel good and the labeled feel weird. As for style, the humor and emotion the MacDonald's throw overboard so they can say they're taking the high road are what allow people to stick with the VNN view until the truth of what we're saying sinks in. It takes no more than two weeks in the vast majority of cases. I'm not speculating, I'm reporting what many, many people initially shocked by my spintros told me. They were repulsed, then converted. Quickly. Analogous to diving into swimming pool. Shocked briefly, then swimming happily.

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I don't know of any homosexuals inside TOQ. Do you have any hard evidence of this?
No, sir, I do not. I speculate. Based on the established fact that tiny, perverse minorities feel best among their own, and actively network to that end.

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Where did Edmund Connolly use the term?
He didn't. As I have said more than once, he, uh, borrowed the concept of needing a mirror term to racism and made it the basis of his essay. He certainly had read what I have written on this subject multiple times over the years - that is why he deliberately refrained from using my coinage loxism, while fretting over the lack of terms. The dog that didn't bark. Not Aryan behavior. But neither is sodomy. I guess taking the high road means overlooking sodomy and plagiarism while distancing ourself from that dirty VNN and their nasty vulgarities.

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MacDonald probably has the same perspective I do: it is easier for us to reach and influence Buchanan's readers than other conservatives. Buchanan is a key player in popularizing our ideas on the far end of the conservative spectrum. He is a gateway to the mainstream. Buchanan and Taylor generally don't attack us. An enemy would return fire.
Taylor doesn't attack VNN, for example, because he has no arguments. Anything he said would look stupid - if his intent were what he claims it is. As it is not, he must stay far, far away from anyone who sees what he's up to. Which he does.

Buchanan doesn't acknowledge us because we don't threaten his income. We exist to him as something he can steal occasional ideas from to preserve his position as the farthest right you can be while remaining respectable. What you and MacDonald can't figure out is that you'd make more inroads with his readers by attacking him, as I do, than defending him, or mentioning him with respect, as MacDonald does. That's an advanced lesson, and neither you nor he are to that level yet. But, and the reason i'm wasting time responding to you, is that you have indicated willingness to adjust your view based on facts, as you came around on the jew thing. In time you will see what I am saying. it might take five years. It might take ten. The reason i tell you is that a whole shark herd of us attacking him simultaneously would be a great force multiplier. It would polarize the spectrum in the public mind between whites and jews rather than conservagives and liberals, the two-party charade the Buchanans you think you should respect help maintain. As I say, this is an advanced lesson. Its truth will not be apparent to you for a few years. MacDonald will never grasp it.

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As a practical matter, what would you have us do? How would you reach into the mainstream? How would you overcome the Neptune Effect?
I got VNN up to 10k on Alexa using humor and emotion, with rich creamy white fact-nougaty goodness in the middle. But you go follow Kevin. I'm sure he can do the same, employing queers and judiciously, high-mindedly throwing humor and emotion to the wind - with the hilarious exception of $PLC.

To turn straight-serious, since you seem to prefer that, the way you win is to polarize. You polarize by vicious funny factual - whatever you got, use it, use it all and make more and throw it hard as you can - attacks on jews and liberals and conservatives including Buchanan and Taylor. You do this over and over and over and over, for years. You couple it with a white activist group. Not essay writers - hush crime spotlighters. They force their way into the mainstream, being utterly uncompromising. At the bottom of their agitation materials you promote your uncompromising hub website. Out of this a party grows. Vicious, complete hostility and nasty humor (and all the other good shit you can gin up), totally towing a racially correct line that We are Whites and Jews are the Enemy. Above all what must be done is make the public see first that the two sides doing battle are WHITES and jews. And second, that whites, sooner or later, are going to win - and they'd better get their ass on the winining side of it will go hard for them.

That's how you do it.

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Of course we should criticize others in the movement. I've criticized Brimelow, Taylor, Buchanan and Francis myself. The question is how we should go about doing it.
How do the winners do it? How do the jews do it? Politely? Or with vicious smears backed by the FBI?

Now, how do the MacDonalds recommend fighting back? Trick question. They don't. They recommend being polite. Overlooking homosexuality. Eschewing all humor save the limpdickiest like $PLC. These babes in the woods have no flipping idea what they're doing. Not the slightest. It's because they have pleasant, ingratiating, middle-class morals and manners, and don't want to consider that these aren't the things that can beat the enemy. Even when they analyze correctly, their implicit conservatism - desire for tastefullness and respectability - overwhelm the analytical conclusions they know to be right. That's the secret to the hold VNN has over them, why everything they do seems in response to a meme we've generated here. It's the cognitive dissonance generated by their knowing we, I, am right, but being unable to overcome their instinctual, emotional, limbic tropism to propriety. To say the least, the jews aren't burdened by this. They go for the jugular. They are the ones to watch, learn from, and emulate.

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I don't think anyone minds you making fair and reasonable criticisms of TOO/TOQ. That's not the issue.
As if to prove my point - what have fair and reasonable got to do with anything? More functional conservatism. I don't want to be fair and reasonable, I want to win. I know how. I don't think the Buchanan tribute band featuring lead singer Fairy and backup band The Reasonables do.

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We're trying to reach people who are scientifically literate, intelligent, and well educated. Unlike the man on the street, these people typically have money and influence.
Yes, this is the crux of the problem here, which neither you, nor the fairy, nor MacDonald understand. Even if you persuade the rich smart guy you're right, it doesn't make him one whit more inclined to risk his body and booty. I mean, it's not like you're offering leadership, are you? No, you're writing essays. Is anybody in the TOQ crew intending to actually lead us to the promised land? Hell, no. They don't even pretend that. They're just interested in duplicating Vdare's fundraising success, is my guess. More essays, more books, more arguments - like we don't already have all we need.

Verbiage, save it is vicious and polarizing, is utterly worthless to us at this point.

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I will save this for my upcoming plunge into conservatism/libertarianism. In the meantime, I will hold this up as an excellent example of what I call "discourse poisoning"; in this case, the penetration of libertarian memes into White Nationalism.
Do that, I will certainly respond to whatever you write. Penetration of the idea that a White Man doesn't have to work fifty percent of his time as a slave for ZOG or even AOG doesn't seem that horrible to me.

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A HS curriculum is a good idea. It is a worthy project. Rusty Mason had expressed interest in doing it. You should speak with him.
Never heard of him. If you can find someone who actually is serious about this, and knows how to do it, I would certainly be interested in helping, especially by raising money to pay for its development.

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I've seen Brimelow deny being a White Nationalist before. Again, there are substantial criticisms of Brimelow to be made, but they don't have to be teethered to the albatross of personal attacks or abusive language.
Don't have to be, should be. Personal attacks are good. Brimelow practically blew a gasket when E. Michael Jones criticized jews. But people think he's on our side. He's not. A black and indelible line must be drawn between our side and right-wingism. That's the only way we can raise our profile in the public eye, the only way we can succeed. As I've said for years.

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VNN is updated daily, thanks to Socrates, and I have put out far more ideas, and better ideas, than anybody else on the Net.
Socrates is nowhere near as talented a writer as you are. Your output has declined and the VNN frontpage has suffered. I've seen countless VNN readers complain of this.

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No one, by contrast, associates a single idea or expression with Brimelow - or anybody at Vdare. I haven't read that site in years, it's just there to draw money from the middle class, not to make change that helps Whites.
Could you shed some light on your falling out with Dietrich? I've heard some disturbing rumors flying around.

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Here's the truth about yourself, which you don't realize. Your value, which is great, lies in your knowledge of American racial history. That's where you are close to unique when it comes to 'net commentary.
Thank you. I've said before that your constant hammering away at the Jewish Question has influenced my development. For a long time, I was quite dismissive of you, but I eventually recognized there was much truth in what you were saying.

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On the rest of the stuff, you'll come around to my position, as you already have in many ways. Sometimes you are echoing me without even seeming to know it. I like your writing, and you. I get a little irritated at your straw man 'Single Jewish Cause,' but whatever, no big deal.
We agree on the most important issues. I take a lot of your themes, translate them into a different language, and reach a different audience. White people are divided along class and religious lines. In order to reach them, we need to broadcast our message on different wavelengths.

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In conclusion:

- direct, vicious, even vulgar personal and political attacks are the right way to go, and we'll continue that here
As should be obvious, I disagree on this point.

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- NOT crediting people, plagiarizing them, displaying a back-dog spirit of fawning after rich, successful conservatives, naming and citing them, but not naming and citing people on your own side - continues to be the wrong way to go, and TOQ and Johnson, and even MacDonald, should be ashamed of their actions in this regard
This is unfair. Greg Johnson has long admired your work. He tried to engage you, but you responded with personal attacks. There are lots of VNN graduates in the TOO/TOQ network.

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- altho personal attacks are good, specific claims should be backed by evidence. No one should be accused of being a jew, or a fed, unless there is evidence put out. Those who make false accusations should be and will continue to be shunned at VNN. I say our ethics are not lower than TOQs and the other jew-criticizing conservatives, they are higher. We have put out more and better ideas than they have, and our behavior has been stronger and purer.
This is a policy that has evolved over the yeras. I remember the days when VNN was a free for all.

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- it IS the time for more activism. The woman down in StL can't get the school board to release the video of her daughter being attacked by a nigger. KM and TOQ and "Hunter Wallace" can write another 1000 essays, and that won't change. You can't change the culture except in very limited ways without controlling the government and the mass media. That means politics, and that means activism.
Activism is fine. In parts of the country (ex. Mississippi or Alabama), it is doable. In other parts (ex. Vermont or Massachusetts), it is not. We should be realistic about this. Instead of wasting $30 million on a fruitless political campaign, as Ron Paul or Pat Buchanan have done, we should focus our efforts on trying to change the culture. Without a cultural foundation, political victories will be fleeting and won't produce any substantial change in public policy.
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Great job, Alex (and Jim). If Alex is still calling in to MacDonald, two suggestions:

(1) Here is MacDonald's approach:

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We are trying to raise the status of this sort of discourse, and this is inevitably a top-down sort of thing. Notice that Derbyshire is not concerned about what the average person thinks, but what the cultural establishment thinks.
Why should I care what John Derbyshire thinks?

(2) How does a sociobiologist view faggotry? Is it a "lifestyle" consistent with general trustworthiness, or total degeneracy? Are fags a group with their own interests that differ from the interests of normals? Does the universal condemnation of faggotry by religions and cultures throughout history suggest there's something adaptive in shunning fags?
 
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