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March 18th, 2004 | #1 |
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Glenn Miller Responds to M. Lindstedt
[Note: A few days ago I received a call from Mr. Miller, who felt he was being attacked unjustly in this forum by Mr. Lindstedt. He said he was just getting started with computers, and not experienced enough to respond online. I promised I would post his response, which you see below, typed in from a hard-copy letter. I said I would do this once, and after this, it is up to him to join the forum and defend himself, if he chooses. A Linder]
RESPONSE TO M. LINDSTEDT - BY Glenn Miller 11 March 2004 Reference to Lindstedt's posting several days ago on VNNForum.com, "How to Build a White Group." Lindstedt aimed his allegations exactly ass backwards, and did so intentionally, with confidence I wouldn't answer his lies because he knows I've been computer stupid until 5 weeks ago when I bought one. I've spoken with him for less than 1 hour in my lifetime personally, and then during 5 or 6 phone conversations. Two weeks ago, I mailed him a copy of the story I'll submit here now. So bear in mind that he knew the truth prior to posting that 7-page VNN rambling about me. This is the first time I've aired this "dirty Movement linen" in public, always preferring instead to present my side of that story privately to those who ask me for it, rather than via cyber space or other public forums, giving aid to our enemies, and demoralizing Movement activists. Those offended by the facts I present here should take it up with Lindstedt whose vile lies and insults to my manhood and honor, forced me to present them. He and I will settle his filthy mouth in front of Walmart, Aurora, Missouri, at 12 noon (CST), Saturday 3rd, 2004, (April) if he has the guts to show up. I will be there. No, I did not harm The Order, but The Order sure as hell harmed me, and destroyed my organization, the White Patriot Party. I did not harm any Order member or anyone else. It has been over 16 years since my 9 November 1987 plea bargain with the feds, and still not one soul has even spent one day in jail on account of me, nor has anyone ever been charged with any crime. I've enclosed news reports and other documents with my article as proof of the facts I present, which I'll mail to Alex Linder for posting on VNNForum.com. F A C T S Aug/Sep84: Order members gave me $200,000 in stolen money to help me build up the White Patriot Party, a group I began 20Dec80 with 3 members. I'd never before seen nor heard of any Order members, and was, at that time as legal as Duke, Fields, Pierce or anyone else. 5 or 6 months after giving me stolen money, Order members got arrested, informed the feds I'd received stolen money, and agreed to testify in court against me. Every single Order member who was offered a deal by the feds, took it. If I'm wrong on that point, I'll apologize to the one or two who didn't. Name one. 26Mar85: Bruce Pierce got arrested and immediately signed a sworn confession deposition with the feds which was broadcast by the media nationwide, testifying to (among other things) that I'd received stolen Order money. (See attached proof). Jan85: David Lane, then on the run for an alleged murder and other crimes, phoned me from the Day's Inn Motel in Benson, NC. I went to him as he requested. He pleaded with me to help him hide out. And I did. 30Mar85: David Lane got arrested, then tried to make a deal with Colorado District Attorney Norm Early, in exchange for not more than 6 years in prison. A deal offer broadcast in the media and later in books such as "Talked to Death", and a deal offer which if accepted then or anytime later, would put me in prison for at least 10 years. (See proof of Lane's deal offer attached). MORE BLUNTLY PUT: Strangers gave you stolen money, then rat to the feds they did, become government witnesses, and agree to testify against you in court. Another stranger, wanted for murder and other crimes, pleads with you to help hide him out. You do. The stranger then gets arrested and tries to make a deal with the feds, which if accepted then or later, will put you in prison for ten years. Is that plain enough? And that wasn't the worse. Read further down how Order rats destroyed the White Patriot Party. And so, thanks to Order rats in the Spring/Summer of 1985, my debt to The Order ended. I then had 4 choices: (1) Plea bargain with the feds, (2) Go underground, (3) Quit and disband the WPP, and (4) Await criminal charges sure to come due to order rats for harboring federal fugitives, accepting stolen money, helping Lane hide from the authorities, and other racketeering charges ZOG would inevitably tack on. And there were plenty of Order rat witnesses to insure my convictions for those crimes, and life behind bars because I was 45 years old then. Tell me. What would yaw'll do, under those circumstances? [cont'd...] |
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Summer 1985: FBI agent Jack Knox phoned me for a meeting inside the office of US Attorney Samuel Currin in Raleigh, NC, where he (1) described, in detail, my assistance to David Lane, my harboring of federal fugitives, and my having received stolen Order money, and (2) informed me I am a target of the FBI, can expect at least a 20-year prison sentnece, and that I should therefore enter into a plea bargain with the feds that day. I refused, and told him nothing.
Meanwhile, I'm like a sitting duck, trying to run the White Patriot Party from my rural home and Party headquarters at Route 1, Box 386, Angier, North Carolina, an address broadcast nationwide for the previous 5 years, where I lived with my wife and 4 small children, oldest 10. Did I plea bargain and rat on those who had ratted on me? Did I quit the Movement and disband the WPP and hope ZOG would leave me alone as reward for quitting and disbanding? My record proves that what I did instead, and what my obsessive hatred for the Jews compelled me to do. While waiting for SWAT teams to bash in my door and cart me off to prison for life, I threw myself into building up the White Patriot Party, using Order money, and we became the largest, and most effective active White group in the whole country. Between Sep 84 when I received Order money and 25Jul86 when I was exiled from the Movement by federal court order, the WPP went from around 500 members and supporters to over 5,000 during that 22-month period. And we were public, not hidden behind PO boxes or computers. The WPP marched in camouflage uniforms, 400-500 strong through main streets of dozens of towns and cities, carrying Confederate flags, while "War Songs of the Third Reich" blared, and while we screamed our truths about niggers, jews, and mongrels in the streets, and was never once interfered with by them. My newspaper, The Confederate Leader, was printed and distributed in over 750,000 copies. I had 28 telephone message machines in 5 states, each exposing the Jews to 5,000 callers month according to the phone companies. The WPP had almost 100 chapters in 6 states. I ran for the legislature, for governor, and for the US Senate and 4 other WPP members also ran for office. We achieved such an incredible momentum of growth that we literally doubled in number our final 7 months (1Jan-25Jul86), when the WPP was destroyed because of Order rats. We achieved all the preceding and much more, and in spite of Order rats; in spite of old tried-but-failed "leaders" who felt humiliated therefore, despised me because of the Party's successes and growth; in spite of the $1 million dollar lawsuit by Dees which could have taken away everything I owned; in spite of the 19 shotgunned bullets fired into my home on 20Nov84, missing two of my children by less than 3 feet; in spite of almost daily phoned death threats (hundreds all tolled) against me and my family; and in spite of my inevitable imprisonment for harboring federal fugitives, accepting stolen Order money, helping David Lane hide from the authorities, and other crimes ZOG would think up. And all while I fully expected for good reason, SWAT teams to bash in my door anytime. Like I said, I despise rehashing "dirty linen" in public, and do so here only to defend myself. Lindstedt's lies gave me no other choice. I am forced to criticize 2 men I so much admire, namely David Lane and Bruce Pierce. Lane is a living legend and an inspiration to us all. Pierce, the great hero, the media called "that buck in rut" because of his eagerness to combat our enemies. My God, look what they did, and the price they're paying. I am embarrassed to even mention my own name alongside theirs because I am so insignificant compared to them. I was in the presence of Order members for only a matter of minutes, about 10 men, all tolled, and Zillah Craig. Most never spoke one word to me. Bob Mathews, who I had a lengthy who I had a lengthy conversation with, was murdered 3 years prior to my plea bargain. I could not harm him. About all I knew was that I'd received stolen money, and helped David Lane. I was certainly never told anything about sedition. They barely knew me and would have been idiots to discuss anything with me about sedition. The same goes for butler, Miles, and Beam, whom I barely knew. They lived over 1,000 miles from me, and likewise would have been fools to discuss anything about sedition to a man they barely knew. None ever did. The feds had a dozen Order members to testify for the prosecution at the 1988 sedition trial, every one of whom knew 100 times more about The Order than I did. And I sure as hell did not lie on the stand for the prosecution. The only reason the feds put me on the stand was to insure I'd never become a Movement leader, again. And there was no sedition. All were acquitted. If there had been sedition, the seditionists would have been convicted in that ZOG court. I harmed no one. 25Jul86: Following the confessions and testimony of a dozen Order members, several of whom witnessed me being given stolen money and harboring federal fugitives, and massive media reporting of them, Dees convinced US Attorney Sam Currin in Raleigh to indict me for "illegally operating a para-military operation." Without my Order connection, that indictment would never have happened. I'd never have been charged, much less convicted, and the WPP would not have been disbanded. I'll explain: It was not a crime then in NC to operate a para-military organization, only to operate one "illegally". I'd operated a para-military organization for the previous 5 years, rubbed it in th faces of ZOG, and never had any legal problems because of it. All that changed with Order rats. Dees was the chief prosecutor at my trial, and FBI agent McManis an investigator of Order crimes testified all about my association with The Order. This provided the intent to cause civil disorder. Operating a para-military organization was legal. To make it "illegal" it had to be proven to the jury that I had the "intent to cause civil disorder". Order rats provided that intent, and I was convicted. I was convicted of "illegally operating" a para-military organization" on 25Jul86, exiled from the Movement by federal court order, and given an active prison sentence, but let out on appeal. I then mailed copies of the WPP mailing list to Pierce, Fields, Butler, Duke and Metzger, and turned the Party over to others. The Party disbanded about a year later. My options then were (1) Plea bargain, (2) Go underground, and (3) Await charges for accepting stolen money, harboring fugitives, helping Lane hide from the authorities, and other charges ZOG would think up, which meant life in prison. I had every reason to expect Land and Pierce to make the feds another deal offer. They did once, and life behind bars is a strong incentive for making deal offers. [cont'd...] |
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I didn't plea bargain or wait for the SWAT teams. I moved my family to the mountains of Virginia, took out a $100,000 life insurance policy on myself, went underground on 18 Mar 87, and declared war on 6 Apr 87, the only honorable option left to me by Order rats. I had $10,000 cash, then borrowed $25,000 cash from my now deceased farther in Dillon, SC, while underground.
I had 3 other associates underground. One brought the feds to us and never spent one nite behind bars. One of the others plotted to murder me and take the remainder of the $35,0000 in cash I had. His intention to dispose of me became so obvious to me, I asked them to bury my body where the feds would never find it, so they'd continue to fear me. Their dry grinned denial only further confirmed my suspicion. My hatred for ZOG and the Jews wouldn't allow me to abandon my plan. The only reason I lived long enough to get arrested was the hesitance or reluctance of one of the others. We were arrested at dawn, 30Apr87 inside a mobile home in Ozark, MO loaded down with 1/2 ton of explosives, illegal weapons, and ammo, after tear gas smoke drove us out. Open and shut case. All our fingerprints everywhere. Yet, one is released after only 3 or 4 hours. His immediate release was reported nationally in the media. If he didn't turn me in, then how, pray tell, can his immediate release be explained? I have no concrete proof he did, but what the hell would yaw'll think? Proof of his immediate release, attached. My 2 other associates were convicted for illegal possession of those weapons and served 6 1/2 years in prison. I DID NOT TESTIFY AT THE TRIAL WHICH CONVICTED THEM. Am I expected to explain in cyber space, the how of my avoidance? I agreed to the Federal Witness Program for their financial support of my family while I served 3 years (almost to the day) in prison, and to protect them and myself from some misguided patriot who'd never heard both sides of my plea bargain story, and would do harm to me or my family. I took ZOG's money, and incidently, used some of it to purchase literature following my release from prison in Sept 1990. Since my prison release, I've worked for the Cause in the most effective way I know how, i.e., financial contributions, distributing literature to expose the Jews, and other costly projects. I lead the nation in purchasing and distributing American Free press newspapers, Dr. Fields' Truth at Last tabloids, David Duke pamphlets, and Walter Mueller's pro-German tabloid, Community News. Ask them. I financially support 8 groups I think most effective, and I run my mouth to whomever listens. Always have. Always will. I also have local friends who assist me. Southwest Missouri has received at least 300,000 pieces of pro-White anti-Jew literature since I moved here, thanks to us. We will continue. Those with questions or doubts should phone me at 417-258-7785 rather than further demoralize the Movement with rehashings on the internet. (POB 3861, Springfield, MO 65808). I've never feared anyone who knows the facts, only those who don't. And I haven't forgotten those "leaders" who knew the facts, but badmouthed me anyway. I know why they did. They hated the successes of the White Patriot Party, led by a high school droupout redneck, because those successes made them feel humiliated due to their own decades of failure to match those successes, which they haven't matched since, 18 years later. To this day, those "big-fish-in-a-little-pond" so-called leaders, are terrified I'll build up another White Patriot Party, and therewith, humiliate them again. They, even now, accuse me of "trying to worm my way back into the Movement." Those "leaders", in fact, despise successes by all groups but their own, and always have. No, I'm not trying to "worm my way back into the Movement". Frankly, I don't see much movement to worm my way back into. And at 63, I'm too old and worn out to begin again what I began Dec 1980, at 40. Incidently, what the hell was I supposed to do during my 3 years in prison and 5 years on strict parole, hold a press conference and yell: "Don't worry, I ain't gonna hurt nobody?" It has been over 16 years since my plea bargain, and I still haven't, a fact conveniently overlooked by "the humiliated ones." I'll be at Walmart, Aurora, MO, at noon, April 3rd, 2004. Let them come and say to my face what they've said to my back for 16 years. I dare them. And tell Fat Boy to come and bring his "Elders" with him. Then we'll see who the "humble cowards" really are. Meanwhile, I'll continue to do what I've done nonstop since 1974 - UNITE, ORGANIZE, EDUCATE, RECRUIT and expose my GD Jew enemies. And only death or victory over them will make me quit. And now that I own a computer, having purchased one 5 weeks ago, never once previously deved onto any website, I'll try and figure out how to use that weapon, as well, provided I learn how to work the thing. What The Bruders Schweigen (as opposed to Order rats) did was a demonstration of bold initiatives, heroism, and self sacrifice, not seen from our side since April and May 1945 amidst the fire and rubble of Berlin. What I've done for the Cause, compared to them, doesn't amount to a pimple on an elephant's ass. But I do have the right to defend myself, and have done so here. The White Patriot Party was correct in its tactics, i.e., UNITE, ORGANIZE, EDUCATE and raise hell in the streets. The WPP failed because of my mistakes and errors in judgment, which can be avoided by others. I did my best to keep the Party going. My best was just not good enough. I kept my promise to Bob Mathews to use Order money to further our Cause in the manner I thought most effective. My record of successes and activisms proves that I kept my promise to him. Itemized listings of what I did with that money is contained in my book. Sieg Heil for the 14 words. Glenn Miller [Following are attachments.] 1. (From book TALKED TO DEATH - Stephen Singular) Can be ordered from any book store. [underlined by Miller] A Quiet Death, a Loud Grave [p. 277] much he needed soap and toothpaste, and about how well he got along with black inmates in jail. They had a helluva time, he said, playing cards. He bragged that the Order had thrown a serious scare into the FBI, repeated that Bob Mathews was the greatest white man in history, and went on at some length about his alliterative politics. The purse and press, or the media and the money, were behind everything in the United States, he declared, and all under the control of Jews. When another subject was broached, his upbeat mood fell. It came as a shock to Lane that many in the Bruders Schweigen had already closed such swift and convenient deals with the federal government. The Silent Brotherhood had turned out to be anything but silent; a number of those who had never been arrested before first wept in their cells and then talked. Lane had thought them made of sterner stuff, and groused openly about their lack of commitment and backbone. Their flipping over for the FBI appeared to hurt and disturb him more than being incarcerated. Then Lane himself began to consider a plea bargain. In return for his testimony about the Berg murder, he wanted the Denver authorities to guarantee him a sentence of no more than six years. The local district attorney, Norm Early, rejected the offer as far too lenient, and this rekindled Lane's revolutionary fervor. He regarded himself as a POW now, locked in the oppressor's den, paying his radical dues. He got himself a lawyer, Thomas Keith, who had successfully defended the nine KKK and neo-Nazi members accused of shooting to death five communist sympathizers in the Greensboro anti-Klan rally in 1979. One of those acquitted in that trial, Roland Wayne Wood, showed up at Lane's first court hearing in Winston-Salem, wearing a green T-shirt. It read: I'D RATHER BE KILLING COMMUNISTS. Lane contended he was innocent; he hadn't dealt in counterfeit or stolen money and knew nothing whatsoever about the murder of Alan Berg. Yet he did have an opinion on the dead man, one he had voiced in the past and one he brought up again to reporters who had traveled all the way from Denver to Idaho, to Georgia, and now to North Carolina, to ask questions of those who allegedly knew something about the demise of Berg. The Denver press was 2. (From the Raleigh News & Observer dtd 1 May 87) Currin authorized a warrant for Wydra's arrest on charges of aiding and abetting a fugitive. But Wydra, found innocent last month of conspiring to obtain weapons in connection with an alleged plot to assassinate an Alabama civil rights attorney, was released Thursday without being charged. Currin said he wanted the other three men returned to North Carolina as soon as possible. But he said it could be months before [cont'd...] |
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(From the Raleigh News & Observer Dec 87) To obtain Miller's guilty pleas and cooperation, prosecutors agreed not to charge Miller with numerous federal offenses carrying potential sentences of more than 200 years, according to court documents. 4. From the Village Voice newspaper - 1985 edition WASHINGTON -- Save for one man still being hunted by the FBI, all the members of the white revolutionary group called the Order are in custody, standing trial in Seattle federal court on racketeering charges. But 3000 miles away, in North Carolina, the spirit of the Order is very much alive, in the form of the White Patriot Party and its energetic leader, the former Green Beret, F. Glenn Miller Jr. Miller, who served 13 years in the Green Berets, including two hitches in Vietnam, was a member of the Nazi Party before 1980, then switched to the Klan. He was in the caravan of Klan vehicles at the Greensboro massacre November 3, 1979. The name of his organization was recently changed from The Carolina Knights of the Ku Klux Klan to the White Patriot Party. The White Patriot Party has 2500 members and offices in six southern states, Miller says. He himself is running for the Senate seat John East is vacating. Last year, Miller got 5000 votes in his bid to be governor. Nobody would pay much attention to Miller or the White Patriot Party if it were not for the confession of Bruce Carroll Pierce, number two in the Order. Last April, soon after he was captured in Georgia, Pierce told the FBI that Miller had received $300,000 from the group's robberies. Miller denies it: "Hah," he told the Voice last week. "If you believe that, you'll believe that iron will float by itself. That's a plot...to discredit us before the white masses." 5. (From the Raleigh News & Observer published after Lane's arrest, and reports my reactions to Pierce's and Lane's deal offers.) Miller said in a news release that one of the defendants, Bruce Carroll Piece, was "subjected to various tortures by federal agents and others working in concert with them." He said the agents forced Pierce to sign a deposition for the prosecution in which Pierce stated that The Order had given Miller $400,000 several months ago. Pierce has not testified in the trial. Miller also said he had received a letter about two weeks ago from David Lane, one of The Order members on trial. He said Lane had been "placed in a cell block that was around 90% black, with resulting threats and other mental torture. It was made known to Mr. Lane, that should he cooperate with federal agents, his situation would be changed." 6. [Three photos, with captions: 1) "Glen Miller leads marchers"; 2) "Lynn Hendricks shouts 'white power'; and 3) "A crowd of blacks watches the White Patriot Party march in downtown Forest City Saturday"] Photo above [3] published in a North Carolina newspaper showss the White Patriot Party marching and demonstrating through downtown Forest City, just one of three towns we marched through that day. And we also held an outdoor rally that same nite in another NC county. Why can't you do this? What holds you back? All your excuses amount to nothing but cowardness. If a middle-aged redneck, highschool dropout like me can put this together, many of you can, as well. So get up off your cowardly asses and do it. Time is running out. Our race is dying out rapidly right before your very eyes. ZOG is flooding our nation with tens-of-millions of colored aliens. ZOG has murdered over 30 million of our infants in the U.S., through ZOG legalized abortion. ZOG has legalized rectum loving, defecate eating faggots and outlawed our Christian religion from all public institutions and intends to outlaw it completely. When will you stand up and protest these outrages? If not now, then when? If not you, then who? How do you look yourselves in the mirror much less into your children's eyes without shame and self-loathing? Join, support, and get active in a White Rights group, and do it now. [Final page, photo of march through Raleigh, N.C.] My organization, the White Patriot Party, over 500 strong, downtown Raleigh, NC -- 1986, just one of dozens of cities and towns in which we carried the struggle into the faces of jews, niggers, mongrels and ZOG. (Me leading with bullhorn at right). Who, among my lying accusers, has matched this during the past quarter century? And why the hell haven't they, but for the lack of guts, willpower, and competency. The above shows only part of what I achieved with Order money. I also helped expose the Jews to tens-of-millions via my newspaper, other groups' literature, my 28 telephone message machines in 5 states, dozens of radio talk show & TV interviews, and during 2 state-wide political campaigns, in which I campaigned extensively, as opposed to squatting behind a computer in a urine and garbage infested trailer on Rabbit Track Road. And don't take my word for it. Go look and smell for yourself. [END] |
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Wow. That's pretty interesting reading. I dont pass on this one way or another not having any personal knowledge.
but I'll say one thing: if somebody shows up with 200K in a duffel bag, with no good explanation for what legitimate source the money's coming from, SLAM THE DOOR AND CALL A LAWYER CUZ CHANCES ARE YOU'RE BEING SET UP! I'm not saying that's what happened, I'm just saying I'm sure all parties wish they had done certain things differently and more intelligently. |
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Hmmm
"Accepting 200 grand stolen money, rattin out to the Feds, murderers, helping Lane hide from the authorities, harboring fugitives, went underground on 18 Mar 87, and declared war on 6 Apr 87, borrowed $25,000 cash from my now deceased farther in Dillon, SC, while underground, arrested at dawn, 30Apr87 inside a mobile home in Ozark, MO loaded down with 1/2 ton of explosives, illegal weapons, and ammo".
Maybe it's just me but I'm thinking, not a real good series of well thought plans and strategies. Do the words...shit for brains mean anything to this fella? |
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Martin Lindstedt responds to Glenn Miller, ZOG informant and traitor, Part 1
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William Pierce started out under George Lincoln Rockwell, and wrote a Movement classic -- all of which took years to do. Likewise Pastor Butler, from his own money, started the political wing of the Dual-Seedline doxology called the Aryan Nations, and held congresses in the 70's, 80's, and 90's until it was time for ZOG to shut him down. Butler is well past his prime today, but in his prime was a made leader. Likewise with Louis Beam. Robert Matthews was with us only a short time, but died as a hero and Resistance soldier. David Lane started out Christian Identity and is imprisoned for 190 years in ZOG's dungeons. ( Lane is another of Miller's 'Order rats' which Miller, straining credibility, claims is 'responsible' for the contempt in which Miller is held as a liar, traitor, and ZOG informant. Give a ZOG informant $200,000 and it seems like you've made an enemy for life, right Miller?) David Duke started out as a pup and gave ZOG trouble for years, still does so today. All of these Resistance leaders have paid their dues, and still are today. All of them were but mortal men who have made mistakes -- big ones. But when the ZOG worm turned (not talking directly about you yet, Miller) they fought and bled and in some cases died with their boots on. Anyone saying any different is usually a second-rater envious of the percieved 'rewards' of being a point man, or a ZOGling stooge itself. My realtionship with Glenn Miller has had three stages. The first one was in July 2000, when I was running as a Reform Party candidate for US Senate, just before I got denounced by Pat Buchanan for 'racism.' http://www.martinlindstedt.org/ml102500.html I had just been given Miller's phone number after a California activist had arranged for me to appear on the Internet radio show of Pastor Dan John's 'By Yahweh's Design' in August 2000, just before the primary election. So I met up with Miller at 'Ma & Pa's Restaurant' in Monett, along with my common-law wife, and Miller wanted to pick up the tab. I said that he could pay for his own and we had already paid for ours. We made arrangements for Miller to visit me at my office in my mom's trailer at the foot of the hill from my rock house on the hill. Miller came to visit me in his small car -- I thought it was a Yugo -- and gave me a copy of his book and we went inside to my cluttered office. To my surprise, as soon as we sat down, me behind my new Celeron 500 computer and monitor that I had bought for $400 at Sam's -- a great deal at the time, Miller acted uneasy. Pretty soon Miller was gasping for breath as we talked about what he had done. With a croak, he gasped out, "If you read my book you will find out that I was an informant for the FBI, and in the witness protection program, but nobody went to prison for my testimony." Then he ran out of my office, outside, like a whipped dog. "What the Fuck? is going on here?" is what I thought. This sort of behavior was somewhat abnormal to my way of thinking. My dad was sent to Federal prison for running his mouth to the FiBbIes about wanting to shoot some thieving lawyer who had cheated us out of our inheritance, and this lawyer had made it to the South Dakota supreme kort. One deals with ZOG's piglice like the devil -- with a long spoon. This was the very first time I had ever talked to an open FBI informant. I wondered if it might be safer to stay indoors, but then again, FBI informants are the sort of low critter that you don't want nosing around the home place. Besides, even an enemy has the right to hospitality if you invite him in. That is one of the Laws of YHWH written on the Israelite's heart. So I went outside and asked Miller if he was allright. Miller was breathing normal again, and color had returned to his face. I forgot what we said, something about something polite. Miller asked me to read his book. I said that I would. Then Miller left, according to Miller it was in a Geo, not a Yugo. I contacted, via e-mail, Louis Beam and Katya Lane and asked if they knew anything about a 'Frazier Glenn Miller' and his little book. Boy, did they know all about Frazier Glenn Miller. They gave me an earful. I suppose there is something about being on trial, as at Ft. Smith, for the remainder of your natural life, that makes one remember the dirty ZOG dog that test-i-lied about you as part of a deal. After hearing this, I determined to not have anything to do with Frazier Glenn Miller. After all, as even the FiBbIes say, once a treasonous rat cocksucker, always a treasonous rat cocksucker. Even the FiBbIes despise, rightfully, their own lying rat informants. I think I shall, as Alex Linder had, finish this segment at my first encounter with Frazier Glenn Miller, and let people mull it over. In the second part, I shall cover why I put portions of Glenn Miller's book, at his own request, upon the Internet, with the blessing of Louis Beam and the opposition of Katya Lane. For now, homework shall consist of reading those portions of Miller's book, which first appeared on Xoom, a free Internet page, like Geoshitties, and which was placed back upon my own personal WWW page this past November, once I had space for it. http://www.martinlindstedt.org/llinks.html#regimeist A White Man Speaks Out by Glenn Miller is the book about someone rightfully exiled from the White Nationalist Revolutionary Resistance because he turned traitor and testified against members of the Old Resistance as part of his deal to get into the Federal Witness Protection Program. At one time, Miller had several hundred White Southern men marching in rallies in North Carolina. This book of Miller's is presented as a warning of how the Evil Empire will use weak people unwilling to pay the full price of being a member of a Revolutiony Resistance organization. http://www.martinlindstedt.org/gm_index.html http://www.martinlindstedt.org/copyrite.html <=== Copyright Feb. 7, 2001 This goes back a while before my third and final dealings with Frazier Glenn Miller. Miller has tried to rehabilitate his deserved reputation as a traitor since before 2000, and I have no intention of doing anything to aid Miller. I held my nose last month and asked him to do a political chore, warts and all, and I am grateful to YHWH that Miller blew up in my face when he did, rather than later when it would be too late. http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=2736 Anyone who is a friend or ally of Frazier Glenn Miller is no friend or ally of Louis Beam, David Lane or myself. Might as well become an open traitor and have done with it if you ASSociate with Frazier Glenn Miller, ZOG rat. I fail to see how anyone honest and legitimate can, upon reading Miller's own [usually] self-serving words can miss Miller's admissions and have anything other than contempt for Miller. After the first meeting with Miller, once I had heard from Miller's victims, I never had a second in which my flesh didn't crawl in dealing with this rat. I held my nose and Miller learned, from my own words on VNN and elsewhere, what I really thought of Miller at the same time I asked him to run for US Senate against Bullshit Kit Bond. That ended it, thank YHWH. You may think that you are working him when all the time ZOG is working Miller to get at you. --Martin Lindstedt Filed Republican Candidate for Governor of Missouri |
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What is the point?
Hey, LIndstedt, what is the point of all the overblown and viscious hyperbole regarding Glenn Miller. Why call the man a "cocksucker" for instance, along with all the other malicious, overblown invective? The only thing such language confirms is that you are a professional smear artist. A real propagandist. Just like a Jew.
As I said before, I knew Glenn personally. I admired the man. I joined his organization and I marched with him and worked for the same goals he did here in North Carolina. Just like all his other followers, I was crushed by the way things turned out. Saddened that Glenn cut a deal with the Feds to avoid the same fate as the Order members. But one has to put themselves in the position Glenn was in. He had a wife and about five small children to consider. Was Louis Beam, or Richard Butler or anyone else going to raise and provide for those children? Hell, no. Let's get real. There are circles of loyalty, all based upon the closeness of the genetic relationship one has with persons or groups. One's first loyalty is to one's own children and wife. One's second loyalty is to one's kinsmen. One's third loyalty is to one's tribe, and then comes loyalty to race. Now, fortunately for myself, I've never been in the situaiton that Glenn found himself in. Do you put movement comrades first and essentially betray your own children? Or do you put things in their proper order? I hate to say it, but I suspect I would attempt to do what Glenn did: insure the welfare of my own children and try to do no harm to my comrades in the process. It appears Glenn was successful in this. I was not at Ft. Smith or any other legal proceeding where Glenn was forced to testify as a witness. I don't know what he said on the stand. But as he points out, nobody he was ever ordered to testify against was ever convicted, so there must not have been much to his testimony. Perhaps Glenn really did beat the Devil at his own game. (I would be curious to hear from Louis Beam exactly what harm Glenn Miller has actually done to him.) And then I look at all the good the Glenn Miller has done for our cause. He woke up a shitload of people here in the Carolinas, and many of them are still working for our race today. And he totally radicalized what had passed for white racial activism here, changing it from the old Klan-Christian mentality to a much more modern National Socialist outlook. Really, I can think of no one person in this state who has done more to advance the interests of the white race than Glenn Miller has. No person before or since him has done even half as much. If one puts the good Glenn has done on one side of the balance scale, and one puts the bad on the other scale, then the good outweighs the bad fifty to one. Or let's consider Glenn's contributions in absolute terms. Put them on one scale. Then let's put Mr. Lindstedt's deeds on the other scale. How do you measure up to Glenn Miller? Like a piss ant measures up to a man, I suspect. You can talk all the trash you want to talk, Mr. But you ain't impressing anybody. Deeds speak louder than internet trash talk. |
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The kikeling karping of infilltraitor re-creators, Pt. 1
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The FBI calls their own 'rats' cocksuckers. Glenn Miller was one of ZOG's rats. Therefore, the FiBbIes would call Miller one of 'their' cocksuckers who can never be trusted. A traitor's only loyalty is to hisself. The truth, as admitted to by Glenn Miller hisself, is that he was a coward who ran out on his comrades at Greensboro, collected $200,000 from the Order, betrayed David Lane, testified against all of the fighting Resistance on behalf of ZOG, was in the Witness Protection Program, and is now demanding re-entry back into the Movement. Insofar as I am concerned, jewbergjewberg, with your idiotic lies about how you can be both David Lane's friend and apparrent condoning of Miller are a jew or whigger coward and traitor jewrself. And what is my point? I want this yellow dog to figure out that even if he gets back within the Movement that just like in my mom's trailer house that he can't afford to spend a second alone with any White man for fear of getting executed. I want you mangy jews and feds and ZOGling 'friends' of Glenn Miller to show yourselves so that you too shall live in fear for the 'Day of the Rope.' That is exactly my point. The Resistance neither forgives nor forgets, and the Sword must cleanse our House first, if we are to prevail. I'd say that I am gaining my point, given that a yellow dog like yourself must impotently whine at the door. If you do win, and get Glenn Miller back into the Movement so that he can do new 'tricks,' what will it avail jew? jew agents provacateur really perform a sort of darwinian service to our Movement by removing and culling the Movement herd of degenerates and fools. Quote:
It is a pity that you, whoever you are, were not CRUSHED enough. Perhaps if you were placed in a ZOG dungeon and raped up the ass by niggers for the next 190 years or so thanks to Glenn Miller and Miller's ZOG lies, you would be 'saddened' a whole lot more than you profess to be now. Quote:
Self-loyalty has no place in the Resistance, any more than mercy for the lives of traitors or their spawn. That's why the Identity portion of it ALWAYS asks the non-Identity portion of the Movement as to what motivates them. We are religious fanatics, well able to do anything and everything to bring back Christ. As long as anyone claiming to be Identity acts within the parameters of YHWH's Law, we need not ask as to their motivation. It is the a-theists and agnostics and jew-age heathens seeking out their own personal solipsism that we must question, as to what drives them. What do they really believe that shall make them do what must be done for the survival of our race? Nobody, not even ZOG, put a gun to Glenn Miller's head and made him a Movement leader. Nobody, not even ZOG, made Glenn Miller 'cut a deal' with Moreass Dees. Nobody, not even ZOG, made Glenn Miller accept $200,000 and then betray the Order. Nobody, except maybe ZOG, is making Glenn Miller try to make a comeback into the Movement, if for no other reason than to collect new pelts. I despise anyone mentioning a dog like Glenn Miller in the same breathe as Heros of the Resistance like Louis Beam and Richard Butler. I inquire about their motives, and I do so ruthlessly, in hopes of using their self-idolatry to winkle them out, for their destruction. The Resistance is fueled by revenge, and a 99-octane fellow traitor would barrel our train for a couple more miles. Quote:
This is the same crap that Glenn Miller peddles. "I was in the Witness Protection Program and I testified against my friends, but no one was hurt by what I said." Now where did I first hear that shit? OK, now I remember. Glenn Miller gasped it out when he ran like a dying pneumatic dog out of my mother's trailer house sometime in late July of 2000 when he was scared that some unknown White man might have known all about him. Perhaps when I was sitting in front of my computer in my office the name of Louis Beam might have come up. 'Danger, Glenn Miller, Danger!' Glenn Miller acts like Moreass Dees whenever the name 'Louis Beam' comes up. Maybe in the future I should brew up some holy water, say Louis Beam's piss, and hurl it on suspected ZOG informants. C'mon and take a sip, jewberg2. Quote:
Let' measure the 'bad' -- what jewberg2 would call 'good.' Glenn Miller became a ZOG rat, test-i-lied against David Lane, much of the surviving Order, the leading warriors of Christian Identity like Richard Butler and Louis Beam, all of ZOG's leading Resistance foes in trial after trial. And since Glenn Miller was the very epitome of drunken degenerate whigger trash and a professional liar as well, some people got off. Funny, I don't recollect any of them thanking Miller for his 'services.' Now Miller is sending out packets of information on a retired truck driver's salary. ( I wonder what happened to the Order money? Perhaps it is a ZOG slush fund for the purpose of buying glennmillers.) And critters like jewberg2 show up, wanting access to the Movement. Usually ZOG informants in the Witness Protection Program have the good sense to never appear again, but not Glenn Miller. Glenn Miller wants back into the Movement. And Glenn Miller doesn't like anyone standing in his or ZOG's way. Hence this forum thread. Nothing of a factual nature said by myself hasn't already been admitted to by Miller, the jewsmedia, Moreass Dees 1, jewberg2, and a long series of jewspaper clippings and books. Yet Miller, predictably, calls our Resistance POWs "Order rats" because as he claims, they were going to rat him out if he didn't take the deal offered. I can't believe that the Movement is still so very stupid. But if they are, then let them be destroyed by the ZOG lies they choose to believe. YHWH's punishment for weak-minded White idiots believing the lies of the spawn of Satan is to be destroyed by the lies of the spawn of Satan. End Part 1 --Martin 'Mad Dog' Lindstedt Malleus Miller & Order-'rat' www.martinlindstedt.org |
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The kikeling karping of Movement in-fill-traitor re-creators, Pt. 2
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Insofar as what jew want to call me, jewbergjewberg, jew are at liberty to ASSume that I am on the side of the 'Order-rats' like David Lane, even though Lane long ago left Christian Identity. The measure of a man is by his works. Lane is a racial loyalist and moral absolutist. Glenn Miller is a coward, liar and traitor. Let all us be judged by the company we keep. --Martin 'Mad Dog' Lindstedt Malleus Miller & Order-'rat' www.martinlindstedt.org |
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Send your ZOG-bux today to Miller/Dees/ZOG Productions
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You might also view giving Miller money and listening to Miller's self-serving lies as pissing on the graves and memories of the Heros of the Resistance such as Robert Matthews, David Lane, Louis Beam, Robert Miles, Richard Butler, and many, many more Resistance activists. You will get your reward for this behavior in this lifetime as well. Why not simply send a donation to Moreass Dees and the ADL as well while you are about it? That way you can confirm twice that you are a Movement idiot and help them keep their lists current. If you want to read, for free, exerpts from 2001 that was all that I had the stomach to recreate with Miller's own permission, go to: http://www.martinlindstedt.org/gm_index.html and read it free for yourself and spare yourself the hassle of sending ZOGbux and getting on ZOG's mailing list. Don't worry about Glenn Miller getting paid. The Order gave him $200,000 and ZOG put him in the Witness Protection Program and wants Miller back into the Movement and is underwriting all costs. Your tax ZOG-bux at work. The rate of pay has gone up for these wretched critters from the standard 30 pieces of silver. --Martin Lindstedt Republican Candidate for Governor of Missouri www.martinlindstedt.org |
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Funny, I remember who said them 14 Words. Why, it was none other than David Lane. The same David Lane that Frazier Glenn Miller testified against as part of the Federal Witness Protection Program. The very same David Lane that Miller calls a 'Order rat' to justify Miller's wanting to get back into the Movement and testify again. Let's look at a chapter in Miller's cumback book, "A Race-Traitor Squeals Out", er, "A Whigger Mamzer Squeaks Out," er, well, I just can't repeat Miller's lying title because my throat chokes up whenever I try to repeat that lying treasonous shibboleth. Let's look at a freebie, the Glenn Miller authorized Internet [s]edition of 2001. http://www.martinlindstedt.org/gm_index.html Fable of Contents: Chapter 10 -- The $200,000 Donation Chapter 11 -- Hiding Out A Murderer of David Berg Ain't that gratitude for jew? Give Glenn Miller 200,000 ZOG-bux and get in return accommodations for a day or so and then after getting a dime laid on you being called a 'murderer' of some jew. The Order in general and David Lane in particular would have been a lot better off just staying at the Motel 6, if you were to ask me. By the way, the 'Murderer of David [jew]Berg' was none other than Glenn Miller's 'Order-rat' David Lane as well. But that is to be expected. If David Lane were to get out, all pumped up on Wodenism, the very first traitor to face the Iron Eagle would be Glenn Miller. Glen Miller's pet jew collabortraitor, jewbergjewburg2 wouldn't rate much more than a backhanded battleaxe swipe. But I am troubled by Miller's characterizing a process of delousing vermin like the jewBerg#1, as 'murder.' Is it murder to poison a rat? Or trap the rat with a bit of brown cheese or 200,000 ZOGbux and just happen to leave it in the baitpan of a set Victor rat trap and letting their necks be broken by their own greed? Or turn a terrior[ist] loose upon the rats? Some 'offense.' Glenn Miller ought to peddle his apologia to Hebewood, and as a comedy about stupid inbred whigger trash shitting all over theysselfs. Call it 'RatRace2' or something appropriate. The Resistance will not be amused. --Martin Lindstedt Malleus Miller |
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Response to Glenn Miller (Rounder)
I'm glad to see old friends like you and Edberg jumping in here on the VNN Forum. It had been getting a little boring around here lately. I'm not sure what the problem is that Lindstadt has with you, Glenn, but it has the smell of a territorial issue since he's just 40 miles down the road from you.
Sometimes these "internal" flareups are useful since they tend to clear the air and get people off the fence on certain issues, usually avoided, that are brought to a head like this. I, for one, being familiar with the players and the arguments, and having read your book, Glenn, will side with you and Edberg almost completely in this discussion of you. Lindstadt is flat out wrong! It's interesting that both you and Lindstadt were once supporters of the professional smear artist Harold Covington at one time in your racist careers (you, over twenty years ago, and Lindstadt, quite recently) and that you both came to eventually see what a lying fraud he is. Lindstadt is simply wrong again with this unprovoked attack on you in this thread, no matter that he claims to link himself and his views to Louis Beam, David Lane, etc. in attacking Frazier Glenn Miller. Lindstadt's vicious personal attack on Edberg for merely having nice things to say about you is transparent, is indicative of sinister ulterior motives on his part, and only makes his attacks on you weaker and less convincing. I now tend to believe that Lindstadt IS, in fact, as you say, as big as a house and that his momma's trailer is a rat's nest that smells like piss. I believe you. You have always taken care to tell the truth. It's a shame to see a public debate get down to that level, but Lindstadt asked for it. I've had to hold my breath in such a stinking home before, too, and had to de-ass the area post haste, as you did, before I puked. When he foolishly attacks an honorable personal friend like Edberg here, a man who asked me to be the best man at his wedding, with such unsubstantiated filth as I just read, then he should be expected to hear from those who recognize his smears as such and be answerable for them. Don't be defensive, Glenn; You've told your story and don't need to keep backing it up. It is certain that something stronger and more effective than we've ever had before for the White resistance will emerge from the sorry mess we see ourselves in now. For one thing we MUST remain a White racist resistance, NOT a Xian movement, not even one based on Lindstadt's "dual seedline" bullshit. The one thing that impressed me the most from the honest accounting, warts and all, of your story, Glenn, was the way you had graduated from the ridiculous, admittedly expedient Identity Xian basis for our White Patriot Party to actually repudiate it as Jewish and fraudulent and part of the problem, not of the solution. THAT is a great leap! You promoted Dr. Pierce and National Vanguard Books in your book as the way for people to start on a path of racial renewal. That was good, when I first read it about three or so years ago, when Dr. Pierce was still alive. To steer new people to send money to Erich Gliebe and the "new NA" these days, however, when the Alliance leadership have taken such a departure from what Dr. Pierce believed and promoted, is questionable. The latest update of Who Rules America? was 2001, I believe. There is NO excuse for that, or for so much of the other stuff that is coming out, or not coming out of the new, kinder, gentler, National Alliance. I just saw where Alex Linder republished in VNN Letters section (3/24, I believe) an assault on biological racists by Harold Covington in favor of White racist worshippers of the Jewish tribal god, Yahweh. That's the natural division -- biological racists vs. Xian patriots -- that Covington has always exploited as he maliciously attacked the more competent biological racist leaders like Dr. Pierce, Ben Klassen and Tom Metzger to attract people like Lindstadt who agreed with him about such blasphemers as us. I also was recently reading Alex's chapter in "One Sheaf, One Vine" whereby he freely declares that he likes to hear all sides of an issue, then let people make up their own minds. I disagree with this approach, but, then, VNN is not my Web site; it's Alex's. I'm from the old school of propaganda where the first rule is that you never give the enemy a platform to attack you in YOUR own venue; to do so only confuses and demoralizes your own constituency and gives aid and comfort to that enemy. Glenn, you know now that you must give your followers a consistent message based on truth, not lies. Covington is a well-documented enemy of the Nature-based, rational White resistance, and I am glad to see him exposed as being in the Xian camp, even though I know for a fact that he hates Xianity and has nothing but contempt for Xians. Covington was the first person I ever heard use the term "dead Jew on a stick" to describe Jesus, the Christ, yet I read in Alex's VNN Letters section where Covington ascribes, unopposed, this term of his own origin to those he attacks. I expect that there are many VNN readers who will believe Mr. "Big Lie" Covington as a result of Alex's policy to let everyone -- even confirmed professional liars and smear artists -- speak. Covington would have fit in nicely at the American Renaissance conference last month with all the other "kinder, gentler racists" I saw there who are abandoning Dr. Pierce's long-term strategy for the more Xian-friendly "big tent" of unity. Stick by your guns and be consistent. Don't fall into "umbrella of unity" trap, Glenn. If you'll only seek and hold the hard line there are those who will assist you to fill the *REAL* void left by Dr. Pierce's death. I think it's these words from your book that may be one of the reasons Lindstadt attacks you, though he stays away from this topic: "Today [Xianity] is little more than a crutch for cowards; an escape from reality and from personal responsibility...Every book in the Bible, except one, was written by Jews, which explains, among other things, why the Bible says the Jews are God's chosen people. If I'd written the thing, my people would be the chosen ones...Love your enemies. Turn the other cheek. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. What a brilliant recipe to enslave the shabbooz goyim." You stepped all over Lindstadt's toes with that sort of talk, believe me. I don't really care what your detractors say, Glenn, you are an asset to the cause. There is much our people can learn from your common sense outlook and you experiences organizing White folks. You have grown and evolved positively and your worldview has matured honestly over the year, as it should, even though you knew you would lose some Xian supporters by coming out and taking a courageous, if unpopular, stand against Xianity as an opposing ideology to White survival. For all the mistakes you made back in the 1980's (and freely admit to now, I might add) you woke up men like me and Edberg, put us together, emboldened us, mobilized us, brought us along and introduced us to other serious activists. We carried on as best we could after you were imprisoned and our party was made illegal by JOG. We and some of the other most serious former WWP activists eventually, naturally, logically, found Dr. Pierce and joined our efforts with his. I think you will be welcomed back to the Carolinas, your home, soon enough. If I could give you one bit of advice, howerver, it would be for you to reflect further and assess where our overall resistance is today and where it should go. Next time we must do it right! No bullshit lies about how we're the "Adamic race," the true Israelites of the Jew Bible and all that Yashua/Elohim Jewish doubletalk that's geared for the gullible and the superstitious can be the foundation for fighting for the White race. You already know this. Narrow your focus by first recognizing and acknowledging the internal struggle of the movement, this inevitable biological White racist viewpoint, as represented by Dr. Pierce vs. the contradictory Xian patriot viewpoint, as promoted by those you have also been supporting with your shotgun approach (Dr. Ed Fields, David Duke, Willis Carto -- none of whom would openly support your newfound dim view of Christinsanity. The "new" National Alliance, under Erich Gliebe, not to mention the White Revolution crowd led by mostly ex-NA members, who should know better, are aligning their organizations with the conservative, Xian right wing and away from Dr. Pierce's hard line, rather than offend Xians by pointing out the Jewish origins of their "faith." All the better, I say, for someone who wants to attract the kind of independent-minded, responsible, no nonsense White people that Dr. Pierce was able to attract to his organization with the unvarnished truth. Welcome to the internet, Glenn! And best wishes to Marge and the kids. Will White Williams - Raleigh NC |
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I see Lindstedt's motivation, too
Will, you certainly hit the mark with your analysis of Lindstedt. As I was reading his comments (before I read your own) I was struck by his intense loyalty to his religion, his religious beliefs, rather than a true loyalty to race.
I recall years ago in the WPP there was another very charismatic leader: Steve Miller, the chaplain of the organization. Steve was the Peter Fonda -- the Captain America -- of that organization. Steve just dripped pure cool, much like Fonda did in the Easy Rider movie, and everybody wanted to be around Steve. But what an ideological mix Steve was! He was half Nazi and half Christian Identity. He was able to hold these two conflicting worldviews at once with no seeming problem. As a result, new members, such as myself, would join the organization, and within a year's time they would either become Identiy or National Socialists. But we all got along great, happy brothers we were. Ideology didn't seem to be a serious problem for us in those days. It was trumped by the sense of comradeship we shared. And perhaps because we saw that Steve had no problems with the ideological conflcts, so why should we. I played with the Identity thing for a year or so. It was natural since I was raised in a fundamentalist Baptist home. But two things eventually convinced me to give up my adherance to Christian Identity: 1. There is no sound foundation for the religion to rest upon; while a rock solid scientific and biological foundation exists for a total race-based (ie. National Socialist type) pro-white movement; and 2. I have always found those activists who based their beliefs upon the scientific, evolutionary, Darwinistic, Nazi-style, ideology championed by men like Rockwell and Pierce to be far more impressive than the leaders and followers within the Christian Identity crowd. You run into guys like Lindstedt and Covington -- con artists -- preaching to the christian racists. You run into straight shooters like Will Williams and William Pierce who base their actions and beliefs upon pure rationalism. And the rank-and-file followers tell the talke, too. Nazis are just more honorable people, I have found, and can be better trusted. Christians -- whether Judeo-Christians or Identity Christians -- I have found to be suspect characters. If they will lie to themselves, they will lie to others. If they reject fact for fantasy and have an apetite for crap... well, don't put your trust in them. And again, I've learned and observed these lessons over years of experience. Just look at the foul distortions that Lindstedt used against me. He accused me of putting self first, when clearly I never said such a thing. I said a man's first loyalty is to his own children and his wife (their mother). To me this is a no brainer, very basic and instinctual. You do not sell out or betray your own children, and any leader or movement that asks you to do such a thing should be rightly shunned. I have to wonder if Lindstedt has any children to worry about. Perhaps he doesn't, and if that's the case maybe he just can't imagine the conflict it would put a man in to know that his children might be left homeless and hungry because of a conflict of interest he had with some "movement" buddies. Lindstedt also accuses me of trying to promote Glenn Miller back into the leadership ranks of the white movement. Well, clearly I have not done that at all in any of my posts regarding Glenn. As Glenn will tell anyone, his glory days are gone. He is an old man now. He could not lead an organization like the WPP again even if he wanted to. He's a retired geezer. Let's get real here. My whole point was that Glenn did some amazing things 20 years ago, things that activists today should study and learn from. Glenn deserves credit where credit is due. Why does Lindstedt have a problem with acknowledging the very laudable accomplishments of Glenn Miller and instead only wants to focus on his mistakes -- and with great and malicious delight. What motivates a person to act in such a way, if indeed he wants to see our race get out of the mess we are now in. I suspect Lindstedt has indeed been spending too much time with Harold Covington, that other fat-assed would be furher who despised Miller so much because Glenn succeeded magnificently where Covington failed repeatedly. Again, my only message here is that today's white activists and would-be leaders would be wise to study the techniques, tactics and strategies of all significant white activists who have preceeded them, Frazier Glenn Miller included. Miller's accomplishments have been unique, and they are worth noting and worth study. As regards myself, I have no ambitions or plans to play any significant role as a leader or prominent activist in the struggle for the white racial cause now or in the forseeable future. I'm happily married. I have three children, and my main focus in life right now is them. There are more than enough leaders and would be leaders in our "movement" right now without me wasting my time trying to elbow the likes of Lindstedt out of the limelight. But I will try to set the record straight on any issue that I have some personal knowledge or insight into, as I do regarding F. Glenn Miller. |
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After Glenn Miller left my cluttered office in my mother's trailer, what with his gulping about how his book detailed his story of turning informant and being in the Witness Protection program and how everyone he ratted out none of them went to prison for his testimony, and upon my getting off of being stunned for a moment, then seeing Miller in his Yugo or Geo off, I immediately went back to my office and sat down and read Miller's book's chapter headings. Then I immediately composed an e-mail to Louis Beam and Katya Lane -- did they know about one Frazier Glenn Miller? I suspected that they did, after all, Chapter 11 was entitled, 'Hiding Out A Murderer of David Berg.' http://www.martinlindstedt.org/gm_index.html I got back a response quick enough. They most certainly had heard of Frazier Glenn Miller. That was the ZOG dog that testilied against Louis Beam and David Lane at Ft. Smith. They had no love for Frazier Glenn Miller or anyone who would take his side. Louis Beam gives out no interviews to the jewsmedia. After Timothy McVeigh was convicted, MSNBC and CNN wanted to get the perspectives of the militia movement and contacted me after Louis Beam said to contact me for an interview. MSNBC and one of its journalists, Alan Boyle, who now works for their Tech section interviewed me by e-mail and then by phone, along with Norm Olson and John Trochmann. Beam found no problem with my work. He introduced me to Katya Lane on the basis of an unfinished novel about the first Anglo-Saxons in Brittannia that I had written. http://www.martinlindstedt.org/mmgaz5.html#5mmig05 http://www.martinlindstedt.org/staldrg.html So we exchanged writings, publications, gossip over the years. What I got back from both Louis Beam and Katya Lane was unambiguous -- no friend and ally of Frazier Glenn Miller was any friend or ally of Louis Beam or David Lane, Period. This is my exact same position. Any friend of Frazier Glenn Miller is likewise a traitor to the Resistance. One is to be judged by the company they keep. And lest anyone think that I am picking only on the a-theists, another traitor is 'Pastor' Don Gayman, the money-loving from-Mormon-to-CI-and back again rascal who took $12,000 from the Order, got caught by ZOG and then testilied against Beam and Lane and the others at Ft. Smith. A traitor is a traitor, regardless of professed ideology or doxology that they betray as well by their actions. Gayman has his bunch 70 miles due north of me in Vernon County. I immediately put out the word in Missouri and the local areas of Arkansas, Kansas and and that I would have nothing to do with 'rehabilitating' the name of a traitor like Glenn Miller, much less assisting him in any way. There were some who disagreed, and I told them to leave my name out of it, and that they might well be sorry if Miller turns on them. This went on until late January, early February 2001 when a reporter named Linda Leicht of the Springfield News Leader asked me about Glenn Miller. I asked who had given me his name, and she said Glenn Miller. I informed her that Miller was on the outs with both the Identity and nazis in this area for his history of getting caught and turning traitor. She didn't seem to understand about our differences. To her, there is no difference between Christian Identity or the Klan or the nazis -- we all are just a bunch of onbred hillbilly racists to her kind. She said something about how I was one of the few with a WWW page and political activity. http://www.martinlindstedt.org/copyrite.html http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rpf_2/message/580 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rpf_2/message/666 Now if anyone thinks that I published portions of Glenn Miller's book in order to rehabilitate Miller's name, they have another think coming. It was back to talk to Louis Beam and Katya Lane about me doing any such thing. I made the argument that Glenn Miller was an extremely weak and sorry specimen, which is why $200,000 of the Order's proceeds ruined Miller. That giving 'Pastor' Gayman only $12,000 was his ruination. In his book Miller admits to being a traitor and perjurer and drunkard, and since everyone in the Movement and outside the Movement had a copy, then it might as well make the Internet to show what happens when weak cowardly degenerate people worm themselves into positions of responsibility and trust and are soon enough exploited by ZOG for those weaknesses. There should have been a vetting agent for Frazier Glenn Miller within the Resistance that should have known about Miller running out on his followers like a dog, and not allowing Miller to be anything other than what he was good at -- organizing marches and political events and railing about jews and niggers. That publishing on the Internet these matters would help newbies learn what NOT to do, tactically and strategically. Louis Beam agreed with me. Katya Lane did not. She was firmly set against giving that traitor any more publicity, not after he took their money and betrayed them, especially her husband, David Lane. But after a day or so, she grudgingly withdrew her opposition in return for me posting what a few of the Order members had to say about Frazier Glenn Miller. So I took what I had scanned in, and put up the first three chapters, ending in the Greensboro incident. Miller wanted his book onto the Internet, free of charge, hoping that it would pave the way for his rehabilitation and maybe clear up the stockpile of 800 some copies that he had left out of printing at his or ZOG's expense of a thousand or 1500. The story was printed, and Katya Lane sent something a month or two later, but by then it was a dead issue, not worth fighting over. The jewspaper printed up some gliberal whigger bullshit about what an awful thing it was that the Ozarks were filled with nazis and Identity and rednecks who hated jews and niggers and that they were on the Internet. Just the jewsual ZOGling jewspaper bullshit. http://members.nbci.com/fg_miller2001/index.html The nbci web page that Miller was on went down in 2002 or so, when Micro$haft decided that it didn't want to do the free home pages for anyone any more. I still retained the HTML code, but didn't want to clutter it up my PatrickHenryOnLine mo-net WWW page. But I kept the link, describing Miller as a traitor intact. So that is what happened in 2001. That and another appearance by Glenn Miller in July 2001 which I didn't catch directly but made me certain that Miller has never left ZOG's service. To my surprise, Miller either never noticed my lack of liking for him, or he thought that he could use me to ZOG's advantage. I don't know what it is, but I have caught a number of worms and traitors who seem to overlook what I have to say about them in hopes that they can persuade me to change my mind. I almost never do, but I am able to listen politely in hopes of getting further information the more they talk. Some of them, like Klunt Downey, figure it out and stop talking to me because they know that everything they say will be used against them. I figure out that Miller made some calls on Thursday, March 4, to some people in Missouri and to ZOG and found out that I have always regarded him as a traitor after talking to Louis Beam and Katya Lane in July 2000. Anyone claiming to be a friend of both David Lane and Glenn Miller is a fool or a tool of ZOG or both. It is written that no man can serve two masters -- or at least not well. Edberg's lie I count as meaning that he serves ZOG as Glenn Miller serves ZOG. Will William's preference for Will Williams I lay down to Will Williams serving only himself, and his pathological hatred of Christianity. Does Will Williams perform a useful task? Sure does, in his unmasking of Tubby Covington. Will Williams is as much my brother as a nigger shooting a pig or a pig shooting a nigger for his own selfish ends. He is a sometime ally who fights a common enemy sometimes, but not to be trusted because when it comes down to it, like most loveless mattoids, there simply is no loyalty to anyone or anything other than theysselfs. I trust that I have made myself clear on this matter. --Martin Lindstedt |
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I have done my best to work out genuine differences between the Christian Identity and non-Identity Resistance. Here and other places. I do not look forward to having a successful Revolution, and then once ZOG is destroyed, having a religious civil war amongst the White survivors. We believe that Christ will return and that that will be the end of it. But what if you are right, and there is no such return of Christ? Would you persist in further civil war to bring under your power those of us who would form our own communities in which the Established Religion is Christian Identity, but in which non-believers could live in peace, provided that they did not cause open dissention? If not, then in addition to supporting ZOG informants and traitors, then how are you any different than ZOG? That said, thanks again for your work on Tubby Covington. --Martin Lindstedt |
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Occam's Razor says the simpliest explanation is the correct one. I suspect that you are bankrolled by ZOG, like you have been during your openly treasonous years. Quote:
I doubt that I've put on over 15 pounds since Miller last seen me in July 2000. Today I weigh around 245-255 lbs on a 6' 2" frame. I am not grossly obese for a man 46 years old. Anyone able to look for himself should be able to tell that I am not small, but not grossly fat either. So why does Miller lie about something he knows nothing about? Must be force of ZOG habit. Miller routinely lied on the witness stand against the Order and Identity activists. Miller was such a liar that even a ZOG jury at Ft. Smith didn't believe a single word. That is why they found the men Miller lied about not guilty. Of course, idiots and fellow liars within the Movement are ever-ready to believe whatever one of their own, like Glenn Miller says, regardless of what is said or proven. Anyone who wishes to see what I looked like in mid-November 2003 is welcome to go look at my 'Oafishul' family portrait for my run for Governor of Missouri and see for themselves whether I've reached the 400 lb mark: http://www.martinlindstedt.org/md4gov04.html Quote:
http://www.martinlindstedt.org/copyrite.html Miller can't help but lie, just like the spawn of Satan, even though truth would serve him better. For the past three years I have tried to hide my distaste for this traitor and coward in the interest of showing, like I mentioned with Louis Beam and Katya Lane, that the Resistance is no place for weaklings, drunkards, dopers, liars and cowards to occupy positions of power and authority because all ZOG has to do is lean on the weakling and the entire position will fall. Miller is a liar, coward and traitor according to his own words. And to show how little Miller thinks of this Forum's reader's intelligence, since Miller admits that excerpts of his book has been on my WWW page for over three years, yet 'never thought of putting his book on the Internet until six weeks ago, then what is the beef about not getting money for something he never thought about? Miller has never been able to support his Paytriot Party through contributions from those who supposedly are 'blessed' by it. It takes ZOG-bux for Miller to do his thang. ZOG-bux from Miller's 'Order rats' and 'murderers of jew Alan Berg' and ZOG-bux from ZOG to pay for Miller to go on a littering campaign. Miller has never set up anything other than a parasitic campaign, funded by others, not a genuine political party. Miller has never worked from the grass-roots up, but rather accepted ZOG-bux, and then 'turned' on his alleged benefactors. Some of you idiots on this Forum seem to have no capacity for higher reasoning. Let's say, for the sake of argument that all of Miller's lies were true -- that I weigh 400 lbs, live in a trailer-house, and like Tubby Covington, am insanely jealous that Miller is going to get another 300 of you idiots marching down the streets of Springfield, or Monett or Aurora or Granby Missouri -- then what of it? How does any of Glenn Miller's self-serving bullshit about how he thinks that the Order was about to rat him out to ZOG justifies Miller's becoming a ZOG perjurer and test-i-liar at 'sedition trials' against the Old Resistance justify his actions? They don't. Glenn Miller can copy and mail out the same old tired literature from the time of George Lincoln Rockwell to William Pierce, stuff which didn't stop ZOG for a second back when it was relevant 50 or 40 or 30 or 20 or 10 years ago. But I sure would want to know where all the money for this is coming from, especially given Glenn Miller's past criminal and treasonous history. Glenn Miller was a coward, a liar, and a traitor by his own admission back in 1979 at Greensboro. Miller took $200,000 in money from the Order, and then ratted them out. Today Miller claims that Resistance POWs who fought the fight are 'rats' because he thought that they couldn't pull a Glenn Miller on Glenn Miller fast enough so that he is justified in lying and perjuring against them. Robert Matthews, David Lane, the entire Order, both Identity and Wodenist, Louis Beam, Richard Butler, Robert Miles -- all of these Heros of the Resistance not only were perjured against by this traitor, but their deeds are dishonored by a rat claiming that they were rats, that Miller merely out-ratted them first. Every Revolution needs heros. Instead, what we have are feebs wishing to welcome traitors back into the fold. Some, like jewbergjewberg2 because it is similar to Glenn Miller and a supporter of such. Some, like Will Williams, who would rather ZOG win if only Christianity, in all of its forms, especially Identity, must fail. Billy Roper must fail for no other reason than because he wishes to associate with Richard Butler. Their only god is theysselfs. In these days, especially within the Movement, every fool shall have say, and his forum, and I suppose that this is the nature of things given the end times. But any Movement which honors and believes its traitors and the-m-asses of self-serving Internet rabble is a Movement which shall fail. If I am a liar, then what do you lose? Full enjoyment of the free litterature Glenn Miller sent you, funding unknown, and a sense of thanks that Miller, and presumably ZOG, knows where you live? On the other hand, if I am telling the truth, trusting your lying eyes to archived evidence, especially Miller's writings, than a failure to have anything to do with Miller might have no more adverse consequences than your not facing him testilying against you on behalf of ZOG to put you away in a ZOG gulag for a couple of decades. If I am a liar, then you lose nothing other than the time it took you to read this. If you believe Miller, you might end up like these Resistance Heros, on trial for their lives, if you were any threat to ZOG, which most of you are not. This Movement has tens of thousands of consumers of what I call net-nutzi porno cranked out free over the Internet. Most of them, on this Forum like most forums, are no danger to ZOG or anyone other than theysselfs. The actual leadership of effective lieutenants and sub-lieutenants of known Resistance groups is less than 500 people. Much of the listserver membership is pimply-faced. I'd say that at least a third of the audience are ZOG spies. In the mid-80's ZOG tried to decapitate the Old Resistance leadership, and weak degenerate critters like Frazier Glenn Miller were their tools. The time was not right back in 1987 for ZOG to succeed at Ft. Smith. Today, ZOG is searching for Resistance talent. The underground talent is harder to track. The Resistance political aboveground talent is much easier to track, if by nothing else than our writings. I am angered that so many people who should know better immediately forget whatever it is that they supposedly learned about internal security that they would let an open traitor from the past worm his way into their soft followers. Glenn Miller won't destroy anyone who doesn't believe him. Frazier Glenn Miller actually performs a darwinian task for us by destroying the weak, stupid, gullible and unwary. But at what unnecessary cost. --Martin 'Mad Dog' Lindstedt Republican Candidate for Governor of Missouri www.martinlindstedt.org |
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Really simple. Frazier Glenn Miller testilied against David Lane, Louis Beam, many of the surviving Order members, Richard Butler, Robert Miles, etc. at the Ft. Smith Sedition Trial. Miller was such a liar that not even ZOG's jew lawyers believed a word. Certainly not the jury, so all of them were free. I cannot see how anyone in their right mind would believe that Miller is forgiven or forgotten by Louis Beam or David Lane. I was told differently by Louis Beam and Katya Lane in July 2000. Now Miller is trying to worm his way back in, sending the same old tired nutzi porn beloved of Walter-Mitty types, and sending with the freebies his 'explanation' that it was all right for him to be a rat because ZOG told him that the 'Order rats' including David Lane were about to roll over on pore 'ol Frazier Glenn Miller. And now Will Williams wants to claim that he is a friend and ally of both David Lane and Glenn Miller. Absurd on its very face. I admit that Miller was a good political organizer. But he was also a coward, liar, drunkard and traitor who made a good ZOG rat. I have had to denounce, just like I did Miller, some CI pastors like Dan Gayman whose blood price was a mere $12,000 and, to a lesser extent, Pastor Bob Millar of Elohim City, whose son-in-law also was a traitor at Ft. Smith. I am especially driven up the wall by the jews claiming that since Gayman was Eric Rudolph's pastor for a year or so, that Gayman is a leader of Christian Identity. The Jewplin Glob mistook entirely that the associate pastor that they took the side of Gayman has never been anything than a lover of money, having cheated his own biological brother, and now has gone back to Mormonism 'Identity' the past few years or so. I didn't like having to do what needs to be done, but no traitor gets a free pass. I've met both Miller and Millar, and they put on a good show, but inside they were hollow men, full of corruption. Not all Identity pastors have done their duty to YHWH and YHWH's Law. So should I pull a Will Williams and let myself give them a pass because they claim to be Identity as he would give Glenn Miller a free pass because Miller is anti-Christian, claiming to be a Wodenist? That wouldn't be very honest of me, now would it? You won't see me sponsoring them or 'forgiving' them their trespasses against others. You can't support traitors and at the same time pretend to be loyal in the Movement. --Martin Lindstedt |
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I see great truth but also incredible irony in your statement that we can and must gain the support of the masses of white rednecks (working-class white men) if we are to build a mass movement that will bring us total victory, ie, a revolutionary victory.
This is the same thing that Vladimir Lenin preached, that the true power for revolution resided within the working class, the mass proletariat, the common man. Lenin and his Bolsheviks worked hard to radicalize and mobilize the Russian workers and use them as the force that would batter down the old Russian aristocracy. And as you pointed out, Hitler understood the same thing about a revolution in Germany. Winning the hearts and loyalty of the masses of working people away from the Marxists and to the Swastika was absolutely necessary for victory. And if one looks at Mao's revolution in China, he too followed a strategy to win the Chinese workers and peasants to the red banner of the Chinese Communist Party. He did, and he pulled off his revolution. These are all very good lessons from the three great revolutions of the 20th century. With this knowledge, we must ask ourselves if it is possible for us to win a white revolution without the support of the working-class white men? Like you, Glenn, I don't think so. |
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Quote: Originally Posted by DR ANTICHRIST Very enlightening thread. Actions speak louder then words, the Order men were frist class Aryans Bob Matthews was killed fighting to the end. And David Lane is doing 190 years for not talking. And now this Miller person who has confessed he testified to save his own ass against the men of the Order. Then seems to be slandering them to cover his own ass, and people are going to let someone like that back in, no wonder the so called movement is a joke. The facts speak for themself's. Religious spookles aside it would seem that Martin L is the only one who seems to have any fucking commonsense so far in this thread.LOL __________________ Behold, when the christ was nailed to his pogo stick. The Roman centurion spoke these words of wisdom."Truly this Marxist kike is shit on a stick" __________________ I can't help but laugh when I see the Anti-X talking about common sense, siding with the fellow who believes the big lie that X is going to save the White race. When you speak of "men of action" and the Order, you must include Glenn. He was in the Order, numnuts! His call sign was "Rounder." He is here defending himself, making this thread "enlightening" for you and me and the others. He has made it clear he is not planning to start any new organizations. Tell me, do you have any idea how many Order members flipped for JOG? What are they doing today? Are they still fighting? Until I read Glenn's book three or four years ago, I had no idea how closely tied the WPP was to the Order when I joined it. Had I joined just a few months earlier I might have found myself in shoes similar to Glenn's. You should read his book and not worry so much who you think should be "let in" on our "joke" movement. The movement is a joke 'cause half of of us believe that the Jewish tribal god is going to pull our chestnuts out of the fire. Glenn used to spout that garbage until he finally repudiated it as a big Jewish lie. |
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