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Holocaust debate film, Kalispell Montana
HOLOCAUST DEBATE KALISPELL MONTANA
Will Be shown on March 29th, 2010 at 7:00pm at the Flathead County Public Library. This serious debate features Michael Shermer, Publisher of Skeptic Magazine going head-to-head with historian and author Mark Weber discussing what could be called the “Most Significant Event Of The Twentieth Century!” The “Holocaust” Is the Corner Stone to the social, political, and religious changes of the modern civilized world, today, Therefore, any progress of humankind must hinge on the examination of the facts in this matter- that the “Holocaust” find it’s proper place in history. The DVD Lecture is open to the public and is free of charge and the purpose of the lecture is to prompt civil, intelligent discussion of such an important issue among the good citizens of the State Of Montana. Any Questions or Comments please call 406-249-7298 |
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Can this video be downloaded or watched online anywhere?
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http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...7394376971987#
it's 15 years old, and the audio is not great. Shermer was in way over his head and got schooled. he got his revenge five years later, when he and alex grobman came out with a book attacking Weber and the other prominent holocaust revisionists.
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I don't think I've ever seen Weber as agitated as in his rebuttal. The types of arguments Shermer pulls out illustrate what I mean when I say that the holocaust is a conspiracy theory. Saying that the NS systematically exterminated 11 million, 6 million of which were jews, and half of those in homicidal gas chambers, is a mighty big claim, and as the "skeptics" love to say, "extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof." So where is the extraordinary proof? All I keep seeing are suspicions and innuendos. We're supposed to believe everything "survivors" claim at face value, no matter how ludicrous, just because Goebbels, who at any rate would've had nothing to do with running such programs, apparently expressed a desire to see the jews "liquidated" in some of his diaries? Nah, sorry, that doesn't cut it. That would be like convicting someone of murdering his neighbor just because he happened to say he wanted him dead, and because a neighbor who doesn't like him said he saw him do it. Well, first things first: Where's the body? Where's the murder weapon? That's where you start a murder investigation. The defendants at Nuremberg were found guilty before their trials even began. The reality of the holocaust was assumed before being proven, and that's how it's been ever since. Forget what Goebbels et al wrote in their diaries. I want answers to these questions: Who designed the gas chambers? How did the gas chambers operate? Where are the blueprints and specifications for the gas chambers? Where are the autopsy reports showing death by cyanide gas? Three million jews allegedly killed in this way and there's not enough forensic evidence to prove that even one was gassed? Quit pissing in my face and telling me it's raining. As if the lack of evidence isn't enough, there's a long history of lies and falsified evidence used to prop up tall holocaust tales. Why would you need to lie and fabricate evidence if what you were saying was true? Why would you need to throw people in prison for questioning your stories if they were true? Well, obviously because they're not. Go fuck yourself Michael Shermer.
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Believe it or not, it was looking at the jewish/establishment material that more than anything turned me into a denier. I find the revisionist material, especially the longer books, often has the opposite effect on me (i.e., makes me wonder if there isn't some validity to the claims), just because when you take the time to refute claims that are so ridiculous they should only be laughed at, it tends to give them a credibility they wouldn't have if left to stand on their own.
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I doubt millions of jews died in the final years of the war, let alone in the entire war. I'd estimate jewish deaths in the labor camps at maybe 250,000, and most of those would've been due to typhus epidemics and malnutrition. The issue isn't if jews died during the war -- no one denies that they did -- but rather how they died.
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I didn't watch the whole thing (2 hours!), but how was it lopsided? Each of the speakers got equal time to make their arguments and Shermer was even given the choice to go first or second.
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btw: I don't see a whole lot of difference (morally) between someone starving to death in a camp, or dying of disease due to harsh treatment, and gassing/shooting them.
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shermer was very wishy-washy and basically conceded all his points. he had only been researching the holocaust for a short time (maybe only a couple years) and his experience of visiting supposed gas chambers was very negative and inconclusive (or actually led him to believe that they really were not, in fact, gas chambers).
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At about 1:28:00, watch Shermer squirm. He has no actual evidence that the gas chamber existed; all he can say is that the alleged gas chamber is "in the right spot" where one would have been if it had existed. WTF is that if not a conspiracy theory? Since when is conjecture a substitute for proof?
Is this guy really a skeptic? No, he's not. He's a guy who desperately wants to believe in the gas chambers and is willing to lower his standards of evidence to far below what he would accept as evidence for things he does not want to believe in, like ghosts.
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But addressing your moral argument, I would say that if the malnutrition occurred because the Allies were bombing the supply lines, and if the camp administrators were doing their best to fight these epidemics, well, what did they do wrong?
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Revisionists have been trying to get "holocaust scholars" to publicly debate them for decades and these scholars refuse to do it. They either ignore the revisionists or attack them personally. That in itself is telling. Some of these "holocaust scholars," like Raul Hilberg, along with "survivors," were asked critical questions for the first time ever during the Zuendel trials in Canada, and they did not do well. That's why they refuse to debate revisionists. They can't win a fight that isn't fixed. If you think there's anyone out there who can argue a stronger case for the 'caust than Michael Shermer, you're wrong. His case is about as strong as it gets.
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Remember this: you won't be censored, fined, or thrown in prison in France, Germany, Switzerland, Spain, Austria, Hungary, Australia, Canada, the UK and several other countries for saying you don't believe in ghosts. You will for saying you don't believe in the holocaust.
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anyway, they knew shermer wouldn't be up to writing a book on his own considering his shabby performance, so they made sure to pair him up with a hard-core jew "believer" alex grobman.
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Don't make me smack you.
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Here ya go, George:
Ghost of holocaust haunts visitor exploring Germany: http://www.jewishjournal.com/world/a...many_20080502/ The Holocaust is ultimately a ghost story, and Poles have many reasons to be haunted: http://www.metafilter.com/52537/The-...-to-be-haunted Ghosts of the Holocaust: http://articles.latimes.com/2007/jun...ion/op-buruma3 Edwin Elkington of London, UK sent in this ghost picture of a figure with a shawl on it, perhaps. A real intriguing apparition captured at the Jewish holocaust memorial in Berlin, Germany: http://www.angelsghosts.com/berlin_ghost_picture Booga Booga!
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