#1 Vaccination / Flu Shot Thread: Government Flu Shot? No Thanks

[Alex Linder]

[i have never seen anything short of diversity itself pushed harder by government and ostensibly private businesses than these 'free' shots]

Five Reasons Why I’ll Never Get a Flu Shot

by Daisy Luther
The Organic Prepper

If you’re looking for a deeply scientific treatise on the flu shot, this isn’t it.

I’m not a chemist, a physician or someone with an advanced degree in biology. I’m just a mom with an internet connection. I’m a person who has researched and compiled an assortment of worrisome facts that point in one direction: the flu shot is NOT beneficial.

Some of these reasons are backed up by science, and others are an acceptance of that little voice of reason whispering “Something just isn’t right about this.” As a reader, you are welcome to take my personal instinct with a grain of salt. I strongly encourage you to do your own independent research and come to your own conclusions. Look for sources that are not linked to the dollars being earned from these flu shots – no Big Pharma funded studies, no CDC, no FDA. Check out the funding for the studies that you cite and then judge the findings accordingly.

First of all, it just doesn’t work.

The propaganda machine will tell you that the flu shot is “60% effective”, but this is a blatant manipulation of the statistics. This article published last year at Natural News explains how the numbers are “massaged” to present the picture that Big Pharma (who funds the research) wants presented. In actuality, the flu shot prevents the flu in only 1.5 out of 100 adults. You can wade through the abstract at The Lancet here.

1.5%. Let that sink in. That means that you have a 98.5% chance it WON’T work. Why would anyone possibly have something foreign injected into his or her body with those odds?

Part of the reason it is ineffective it because it’s guesswork. Scientists must attempt to predict which 3 viruses (of the over-300 influenza viruses that have been identified) will be the most prevalent during a given year. If you get the flu shot and are then exposed to virus #4-300, you will have no additional immunity to those.

Natural News just published an article yesterday that tells us many of the people being struck down in the current epidemic have received vaccinations, which clearly did not have the desired effect.
Secondly, there are horrible things in the flu shot.

The flu shot contains some incredibly nasty stuff. Obviously it contains the virus itself, either “dead” or “attenuated” (weakened). But it also contains a host of other harmful toxins. The inclusion of these toxins is not speculation – you can read the CDC’s ingredients lists of the common vaccines in the United States HERE. Following is a little primer giving some information on the toxic ingredients that you can find in the CDC’s ingredients lists. Take the time to cross-match these toxins to the vaccine that is given in your area. You have the right to request the ingredients insert before you take the vaccine or subject your child to it.

2-Phenoxyethanol is an anti-bacterial agent being used as a replacement for the preservative Thimerosal (mercury). It’s considered a very toxic material that could cause a boatload of side effects, including behavioral disorders … vomiting … diarrhea … visual disturbances … convulsions … rapid heart rate … central nervous system disorders … depression … kidney, liver and blood disorders … and reproductive defects.

Aluminum shows up in vaccines in many forms – like aluminum phosphate, aluminum hydroxy phosphate sulfate and aluminum hydroxide, to name a few. It works as an “adjuvant” to stimulate your immune system’s response to the virus in the vaccine. The problem is … aluminum is a particularly dangerous neurotoxin. It has the ability to slip past your body’s natural defenses and enter your brain – potentially causing brain damage … Alzheimer’s disease … dementia … convulsions … and coma. Human and animal studies have shown that aluminum can even cause nerve death.

Ammonium Sulfate is a substance commonly added to pesticides. It’s not known at this time if it’s cancer-causing, but it has been suspected of gastrointestinal, liver, nervous system and respiratory system toxicity.
Beta-Propiolactone ranks high as a hazardous chemical on at least five federal regulatory lists. It caused lymphomas and hepatomas after being injected into lab mice, but its true effect on humans is not known. Due to animal study results, the International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC) has classified beta-propiolactone as a possible human carcinogen.

Formaldehyde is used as a preservative to stabilize the vaccine. It’s a colorless, flammable, strong-smelling chemical that’s mostly used in industry to manufacture building materials and produce many household products. Plus, it’s also used to embalm – and preserve – dead bodies. (Remember the frog in your high school biology lab?) Formaldehyde is suspected of weakening the immune system and causing neurological system damage … genetic damage … metabolic acidosis (excessive blood acidity) … circulatory shock … respiratory insufficiency … and acute renal (kidney) failure. It’s been classified as a known human carcinogen (cancer-causing substance) by IARC and is ranked as one of the most hazardous compounds on at least eight federal regulatory lists.

Formalin helps preserve the vaccine. It’s a mixture of formaldehyde, methanol and water. It’s mostly used to preserve tissue samples in health care laboratories and presents the same danger to your health as formaldehyde does.

Gentamicin Sulfate is an antibiotic that ‘s been known to cause deafness or loss of equilibrioception (sense of balance). It can also be highly nephrotoxic (damage your kidneys) if multiple doses accumulate over time.

Monosodium Glutamate (MSG) excites and poisons your cells and tissues. It’s used as a stabilizer in vaccines and is also found in many processed foods. MSG has been shown to cause retinal degeneration … behavior disorders … learning disabilities … reproductive disorders … obesity … and even lesions on the brains of lab animals. Allergic reactions to MSG can be severe.

MRC-5 Cellular Protein is human diploid cells taken from aborted human fetuses. They’re used as a culture to grow the virus.

Neomycin is an antibiotic that has been shown to have multiple effects on your body. It can be a neurotoxin and an ototoxin (affect hearing and balance). It also can cause respiratory paralysis, kidney damage and kidney failure. Plus, it retards your vitamin B6 absorption, sometimes leading to mental retardation and epilepsy. Some allergic reactions to neomycin can be life threatening.

Octoxinol-9 is a vaginal spermicide.

Phenol is included in vaccines to help stimulate immune response. Instead, it does the opposite – by inhibiting phagocytic activity. Phagocytes are your body’s first line of defense. They engulf and digest antigens and activate the other elements of your immune system. Phenol’s phagocytic-inhibiting effect actually hinders your immune system from properly dealing with the pathogens that are entering your body through the vaccine.

Phenol is used in the production of drugs, weed killers and synthetic resins, so you can imagine the effect it has on the human body. It’s considered to be toxic to your cardiovascular, gastrointestinal, nervous, reproductive and respiratory systems … your liver … your kidneys … and your skin. Phenol is so deadly that is was used by the Nazis as a means of extermination during the World War II. Phenol injections were given to thousands of people in concentration camps – especially at Auschwitz-Birkenau – to kill those who were mentally ill, had incurable tuberculosis and were permanently incapable of work.

Polymyxin B is an antibiotic with some nasty side effects – neurotoxicity and acute renal tubular necrosis (the most common cause of kidney failure).
Polysorbate 80 (Tween-80) works as a stabilizer in the vaccine. It’s used in a wide variety of products including ice cream, milk products, vitamin tablets, lotions and creams and medical products like vaccines and anti-cancer medications. But it’s not as safe as it sounds. According to the December 2005 issue of Annals of Allergy, Asthma and Immunology, polysorbate 80 can affect your immune system and cause severe anaphylactic shock, which can kill. It also causes cancer in animals.

Streptomycin is an antibiotic. Its main side effect is ototoxicity – the loss of hearing.

Thimerosal is used as a preservative in the vaccine. It contains 49.6% mercury by weight and has been implicated in many health conditions, such as cardiovascular disease … autism … seizures … mental retardation … hyperactivity … dyslexia … and many more nervous system conditions. The mercury used in vaccines is second in toxicity only to the radioactive substance, Uranium. It’s a powerful neurotoxin that can damage the entire nervous system of an infant in no time.

Plus, the inclusion of aluminum and even formaldehyde with the mercury in the vaccine magnifies the problem. Aluminum can make the mercury 100 times more toxic. Toss in formaldehyde as well, and one independent study found that mercury toxicity was increased by 1,000 times.

Source

There is a risk of terrible side effects.

I’d honestly rather take my chances with the flu than to have myself injected with something that carries the risk of such side effects on the off-chance (the 1.5% off-chance) that I might avoid catching the 1% of viruses that the shot “protects” me from.

The CDC itself warns:

Mild Problems
soreness, redness, or swelling where the shot was given
hoarseness; sore, red or itchy eyes; cough
fever

aches
headache
itching
fatigue

If these problems occur, they usually begin soon after the shot and last 1-2 days.

Moderate Problems

Young children who get inactivated flu vaccine and pneumococcal vaccine (PCV13) at the same time appear to be at increased risk for seizures caused by fever. Ask your doctor for more information.

Tell your doctor if a child who is getting flu vaccine has ever had a seizure.

Severe Problems

Life-threatening allergic reactions from vaccines are very rare. If they do occur, it is usually within a few minutes to a few hours after the shot.
In 1976, a type of inactivated influenza (swine flu) vaccine was associated with Guillain-Barré Syndrome (GBS). Since then, flu vaccines have not been clearly linked to GBS. However, if there is a risk of GBS from current flu vaccines, it would be no more than 1 or 2 cases per million people vaccinated. This is much lower than the risk of severe influenza, which can be prevented by vaccination.

But what they don’t tell you is that not all adverse reactions are reported and that when they are, the statistics are doctored to keep the do-good reputation of the shot untarnished.

In searching the year 2011 on the CDC Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System website - (http://vaers.hhs.gov/index) – it was found that 51 deaths were caused by the flu vaccines, along with 232 life threatening events, 116 permanent disabilities, 739 hospitalizations, 109 prolonged hospitalizations, 4,039 ER visits, and 6,221 “not serious” reports. According to the National Vaccine Information Center, fewer than one percent of all adverse vaccine reactions are ever reported

Source

Also, consider cases like that of Desiree Jennings, the Washington Redskins cheerleader who suffered a paralyzing nerve disorder after receiving her seasonal flu shot. Not only did the industry refuse to compensate her for her trauma and enormous medical bills, vicious attempts were made to publically discredit her.

Jennings was a fit and healthy cheerleader up until August when she got a seasonal flu shot. Ten days after the shot she began experiencing flu like symptoms, followed by severe convulsions and black outs. After seeing around 60 doctors, Jennings was eventually diagnosed with dystonia, a paralyzing neurological disorder that causes the muscles to relentlessly contract and spasm, causing extreme difficulties with walking, talking and general body movements.

Despite the fact that doctors who vigorously examined her condition at both Fairfax Inova and Johns Hopkins confirmed that she was suffering from dystonia, and that the cause of the illness was her reaction to the flu shot, numerous apologists for big pharma have ludicrously claimed that her story is a hoax and that her disease is imaginary, citing no evidence whatsoever and having had no contact with Jennings at all.

Next, I do not trust the FDA.

FDA approval means less than nothing to me. If the FDA approves it, it just means that the company behind it has enough money and clout to get it approved. I do not trust the FDA to look out for the best interests of me, my children, or anyone else’s children, for that matter. I wrote an article last year regarding the FDA and here are some of the observations that really show the agenda of the agency:

The FDA wants to be in control of ALL things ingested by the American people. The FDA is simply an enforcing tentacle of the big business organized crime syndicate that actually runs the United States, and is thus complicit in the plans of the New World Order.

The FDA can overlook the horrible side effects and suicides caused by anti-depressant pharmaceuticals while attempting to ban the sale of St. John’s Wort, a remedy that has been used successfully for hundreds of years.
The FDA can bypass the deadly e-coli outbreaks occurring in massive factory farms where the animals are squeezed in so compactly that they can’t turn around, but they want to prosecute an organic farmer for using manure as compost.

The FDA can cheerfully tell the American people, “Don’t worry, there’s nothing to see here” with regard to the ever-rising radiation levels in milk but they want to raid the dairies of an Amish man who sells milk right from the cow, as it has been consumed for centuries.

The FDA wholeheartedly supports genetic modification of our crops and livestock. The FDA endorses additives and preservatives. The FDA promotes chemical pharmaceuticals over gentle natural remedies.

MSM’s Constant Endorsement

And finally, when the media pushes it, I automatically decline. Seriously – anytime there is a big hype or something is made to be mandatory, my gut tells me “This isn’t good.” Look at all of the commercials for anti-depressants. Look at all the soothing newscasters telling us how “we don’t have to suffer.” Look at how GMOs are being promoted as the answer to world hunger. Real journalism is all but dead and can only be found in alternative media sources. The mainstream media is Public Enemy #1, a group of corporate whores who put on make-up and a pretty outfit in order to seduce the public into believing what the puppet masters want them to believe. The media is owned by the same tie-wearing serial killers who own Big Pharma, government agencies and the financial industry.

It may sound illogical but I firmly believe the MSM is complicit in the overthrow of personal sovereignty. Therefore, if something is heartily endorsed by them I am immediately suspicious. I refuse to be submissively led along by the folks on the tube. When they repeat something over and over, at the very least it requires close and careful investigation, if not all-out rejection of what they are saying. There is nearly ALWAYS an agenda and that agenda is nearly always one that crushes liberty or health in the name of power or money.

Any mainstream article on the flu that you read states some form of the following: ”The best way to prevent the flu is to get a flu shot.” It is a not-so-subtle brainwashing. It hearkens back to the theories of Nazi Minister of Propaganda, Joseph Goebbels.

“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it.”

“Think of the press as a great keyboard on which the government can play.”

“The most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly – it must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over.”

This programming has allowed many organizations to make the flu shot a term of participation, with little outcry from the public. Workplaces, schools and other activities across the US and Canada have instituted policies that force all participants to receive a flu shot. Longterm hospital employees have been fired for refusing to have the toxin injected into themselves. Children have been banned from pre-schools and daycares in 6 states. In brighter news, widespread refusal of healthcare workers in British Columbia has resulted in the province dropping the policy for the remainder of the year.

I don’t believe that all health care professionals and flu-shot advocates have ill-intent. I think that many of them have just sipped the mainstream media Kool-aid – the tale-spinners of Big Pharma have slipped in just enough truth to make their theories believable. Many people are deep-down decent and have difficulty believing that such a perverse money/power agenda could exist.

Mandatory policies of this nature always trigger a suspicious response from me. They whisper the ominous words “soft-kill eugenics” to me. No, I don’t have proof of this, but I’d rather err on the side of longevity. I’ll take the risk of illness that my healthy immune system can fight off over the risk of being forcibly inoculated with whatever toxins the creators of these vaccines choose to include. I’ll use my little arsenal of home remedies and come through it without the risk of long-term side effects that have yet to be discovered (or at least, have yet to be made public).
What do you think about the flu shot?

Did you take the vaccine? Why or why not? Please feel free to share links to any interesting sources or studies on this topic.

Reprinted from The Organic Prepper.

January 14, 2013

Daisy Luther writes daily tips, strategies and prepping ideas at The Organic Prepper and Girls Gone North.

http://lewrockwell.com/orig13/luther8.1.1.html

[Alex Linder]

Deaths: "Flu Complications?"
Posted by Karen De Coster on January 9, 2013 08:58 PM

Lew Rockwell - based on your recent blog post, are you implying that you are a vaccination denier? I am shocked, shocked, shocked!

It is hilarious how serious this topic is approached by the FOXcaster in the video: if people exhibit symptoms - such sore throat, fever, cough, runny/stuffed nose(!), chills, headache, fatigue, or body aches - they should immediately seek attention, possibly even at a hospital. As my Dad (RIP) would say to things like this: we are a nation of idiots. Good for this doctor who appeared on FOX for being a denier of the false conventional wisdom.

Along the same lines, five deaths in Michigan (I repeat, five) has put the Michigan Department of Community Health into action, calling for everyone to immediately get the flu shot. I watched the news while in the gym the other day, as this story unfolded, and the feature story was about a teenage boy who died from "the flu." Just like so many of these deaths, only at the end of the story do they use the terminology "influenza related." Turns out this boy, like many others, got the flu, then contracted pneumonia, then died in a hospital after contracting a staph infection. These deaths are reported as "flu complications." They are all over the news. But often, it is not reported that the pneumonia and staph are contracted while in the hospital. The media skews the stories and reports these deaths as "deaths from the flu."

If you want to get sick or die, just go to a hospital, especially to have a routine operation. We almost lost my father to a staph infection during a hospital stay. Following his death from other causes, we almost lost my mother, who contracted a staph infection after a routine operation and a stay in the hospital. She was in a state of organ failure due to the staph infection, in intensive care, and she was pulled out of it with last-minute medical heroics. In 2012, my brother entered the hospital and contracted a staph infection on his leg, and he ended up with his leg being amputated. But 'deaths by hospital' or body part amputations almost never end up in a news story. But there was this 2010 story in the Wall Street Journal on death by hospital. In fact, 80,000 people per year develop catheter-related bloodstream infections.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewr...es/130341.html

[littlefieldjohn]

Originally Posted by Alex Linder

Deaths: "Flu Complications?"
Posted by Karen De Coster on January 9, 2013 08:58 PM

Lew Rockwell - based on your recent blog post, are you implying that you are a vaccination denier? I am shocked, shocked, shocked!

It is hilarious how serious this topic is approached by the FOXcaster in the video: if people exhibit symptoms - such sore throat, fever, cough, runny/stuffed nose(!), chills, headache, fatigue, or body aches - they should immediately seek attention, possibly even at a hospital. As my Dad (RIP) would say to things like this: we are a nation of idiots. Good for this doctor who appeared on FOX for being a denier of the false conventional wisdom.

Along the same lines, five deaths in Michigan (I repeat, five) has put the Michigan Department of Community Health into action, calling for everyone to immediately get the flu shot. I watched the news while in the gym the other day, as this story unfolded, and the feature story was about a teenage boy who died from "the flu." Just like so many of these deaths, only at the end of the story do they use the terminology "influenza related." Turns out this boy, like many others, got the flu, then contracted pneumonia, then died in a hospital after contracting a staph infection. These deaths are reported as "flu complications." They are all over the news. But often, it is not reported that the pneumonia and staph are contracted while in the hospital. The media skews the stories and reports these deaths as "deaths from the flu."

If you want to get sick or die, just go to a hospital, especially to have a routine operation. We almost lost my father to a staph infection during a hospital stay. Following his death from other causes, we almost lost my mother, who contracted a staph infection after a routine operation and a stay in the hospital. She was in a state of organ failure due to the staph infection, in intensive care, and she was pulled out of it with last-minute medical heroics. In 2012, my brother entered the hospital and contracted a staph infection on his leg, and he ended up with his leg being amputated. But 'deaths by hospital' or body part amputations almost never end up in a news story. But there was this 2010 story in the Wall Street Journal on death by hospital. In fact, 80,000 people per year develop catheter-related bloodstream infections.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewr...es/130341.html

I sat through a report on the televitz about it this AM , it is about how I figured, they run a statistic like "7 cases reported" and then follow that with ...' and many of those cases are serious ones." Many of what number? Seven cases? wtf

[Dylan Jones]

According to the CDC, the current vaccine protects against most strains that people are being infected by.

The effectiveness of the vaccine also depends on how well it matches the strains of viruses that actually end up prevailing during the flu season. So far, according to the CDC, this year’s North American vaccine matches well with the most predominant type of flu spreading in the United States, but is less well matched to the No. 2 type of virus.

This year’s North American vaccine is made from three viruses: two types of influenza A virus (H3N2 and H1N1) and an influenza B virus.

As of late December, the CDC says, the predominant virus in the United States was an influenza A (H3N2) virus that matched well with the H3N2 virus represented in the vaccine. Of the H3N2 viruses tested at that point, 99.3% matched the type that the vaccine protects against.

The match for influenza B viruses, the second-most common this season, wasn’t as good. Of the influenza B viruses tested between October 1 and late December, 68.7% were the type represented in the vaccine.

The match for H1N1, much rarer this season, was 100%, the CDC said.

Of the viruses collected and tested in the United States in the last week of December, 20.8% were influenza B and the rest were influenza A — the vast majority of which appeared to be of the H3 variety, according to the CDC.

The CDC says it hopes to release an estimate of how well this season’s vaccine is working by early February.
Read more at http://fox40.com/2013/01/11/will-a-f...FGQsx6ApvDb.99

[N.B. Forrest]

I read that 80,000 deaths per year would be prevented if doctors would wash their hands like they say they do. I caught a fucking staph infection in '04 from a surgical incision: 4-5 days of IV antibiotics in the hospital.

When one of those bastards gets hold of you, you can feel the chill of the grave, let me tell you....

[littlefieldjohn]

Originally Posted by N.B. Forrest

I read that 80,000 deaths per year would be prevented if doctors would wash their hands like they say they do. I caught a fucking staph infection in '04 from a surgical incision: 4-5 days of IV antibiotics in the hospital.

When one of those bastards gets hold of you, you can feel the chill of the grave, let me tell you....

Nosarcomial infections, a not-so-well guarded secret any longer, and an uncomfortable topic for the medicine men. Virulent stuff that is difficult to cure and often renders people worse off than before admission to the hospital ,where they fork over thousands a day or whatever.

[Fred O'Malley]

America's Healthcare System is the Third Leading Cause of Death

This Journal of the American Medical Association article illuminates the failure of the U.S. medical system in providing decent medical care for Americans.


In spite of the rising health care costs that provide the illusion of improving health care, the American people do not enjoy good health, compared with their counterparts in the industrialized nations. Among thirteen countries including Japan, Sweden, France and Canada, the U.S. was ranked 12th, based on the measurement of 16 health indicators such as life expectancy, low-birth-weight averages and infant mortality. In another comparison reported by the World Health Organization that used a different set of health indicators, the U.S. also fared poorly with a ranking of 15 among 25 industrialized nations.

Although many people attribute poor health to the bad habits of the American public, Starfield (2000) points out that the Americans do not lead an unhealthy lifestyle compared to their counterparts. For example, only 28 percent of the male population in the U.S. smoked, thus making it the third best nation in the category of smoking among the 13 industrialized nations. The U.S. population also achieved a high ranking (5th best) for alcohol consumption. In the category of men aged 50 to 70 years, the U.S. had the third lowest mean cholesterol concentrations among 13 industrialized nations. Therefore, the perception that the American public’s poor health is a result of their negative health habits is false.

Even more significantly, the medical system has played a large role in undermining the health of Americans. According to several research studies in the last decade, a total of 225,000 Americans per year have died as a result of their medical treatments:
• 12,000 deaths per year due to unnecessary surgery

• 7000 deaths per year due to medication errors in hospitals

• 20,000 deaths per year due to other errors in hospitals

• 80,000 deaths per year due to infections in hospitals

• 106,000 deaths per year due to negative effects of drugs

Thus, America's healthcare-system-induced deaths are the third leading cause of the death in the U.S., after heart disease and cancer.

One of the key problems of the U.S. health system is that as many as 40 million people in the U.S. do not have access to healthcare. The social and economic inequalities that are an integral part of American society are mirrored in the inequality of access to the health care system. Essentially, families of low socioeconomic status are cut off from receiving a decent level of health care.

By citing these statistics, Starfield (2000) highlights the need to examine the type of health care provided to the U.S. population. The traditional medical paradigm that emphasizes the use of prescription medicine and medical treatment has not only failed to improve the health of Americans, but also led to the decline in the overall well-being of Americans. Starfield’s (2000) comparison of the medical systems of Japan and the U.S. captures the fundamental differences in the treatment approach. Unlike the U.S., Japan has the healthiest population among the industrialized nations. Instead of relying on sophisticated technology and professional personnel for medical treatment as in the U.S., Japan uses its technology solely for diagnostic purposes. Furthermore, in Japan, family members, rather than hospital staff, are involved in caring for the patients.

The success of the Japanese medical system testifies to the dire need for Americans to alter their philosophical approach towards health and treatment. In the blind reliance on drugs, surgery, technology and medical establishments, the American medical system has inflicted more harm than good on the U.S. population. Starfield’s (2000) article is invaluable in unveiling the catastrophic effects of the medical treatments provided to the American people. In order to improve the medical system, American policymakers and the medical establishment need to adopt a comprehensive approach and critically examine the failure of the richest country in the world to provide decent health care for its people. The reason that they have difficulty doing that is explained on the following page.

http://www.health-care-reform.net/causedeath.htm

[Dylan Jones]

My wife, son, and I had a bad experience with a local hospital. When my son was a newborn, he had to be transferred to another hospital that was able to handle the enterococcus infection he acquired from the previous hospital. If I didn't have insurance, his four week visit would have cost me over $100,000.

[Alex Linder]

comments on this thread show that a substantial number of people is willing to use all manner of coercion to force others to undergo government 'vacccinations'

http://io9.com/how-poor-vaccination-...82862/@debarry

[Alex Linder]

If you come across other, better threads treating these matters, post in this one and I'll merge them, thanks.

[Proud White Guy]

My dad and two brothers are doctors, and they have always said "If you want to stay healty, stay away from doctors".

The average life expectancy in the U.S. is about 72 years of age, doctors barely make it to 65, maybe there's something to this.

[Robert Ransdell]

Originally Posted by Proud White Guy

My dad and two brothers are doctors, and they have always said "If you want to stay healty, stay away from doctors".

The average life expectancy in the U.S. is about 72 years of age, doctors barely make it to 65, maybe there's something to this.

I would be inclined to agree.

I would say the advice would be something to consider more and more in years to come, it is said that all the health care changes will lead many long time doctors to retire. That will most likely mean that to fill the void we will see more of an influx of doctors from Pakistan and India whose qualifications probably leave much to be desired.

I know the guy is pretty much all shyster, but that Kevin Trudeau guy on at night selling books about "cures they don't want you to know about" makes light of a number of facts that are relevant.

When was the last time there was a cure found for any disease or ailment, it is all bent toward treatment which makes the medical and drug companies more money. There are actually laws that forbid something being marketed or said to be a cure, unless it goes through all kinds of government approval and other red tape, read lots of money.

The Jewish spirit has corrupted this like so much else, and like so much else the farther away you can stay from the stench of their corruption the better you will be, in mind, body, and soul.

[Alex Linder]

We have been brainwashed our entire lives to think that regulation is good, regulation is safety. Regulation is secular jesus, basically. He or it is gonna save us all.

Here's the truth: there is no safety.

Sorry. Not what you wanted to hear.

But VNN is for grownups, not children.

If you can't handle it, go cry in a church. Go whine to your communist newspaper editor, and he'll pat your little head, and assure you that single-payer will cure all ills.

The christian cult leader and the communist are selling panaceas for morons.

The reality is, THERE IS NO SAFETY.

There are risks, calculations, contingencies. And in the end, there is the unknown.

You can't escape the need to think. You need some courage, too.

Life is just like a boxing match. What does the guy say before the match starts?

"Defend yourself at all times."

That's it.

That's all you're going to get.

[Alex Linder]

I would be ever so grateful if someone in the know could elaborate on my half-memory that some US department or official was responsible for letting escape the flu virus that killed millions around the time of the first world war. I'm surely remembering incorrectly, but I know the same government now pitching some-flu-strain shots was involved in a criminally negligent way.

[N.B. Forrest]

The origins of this influenza variant is not precisely known. It is thought to have originated in China in a rare genetic shift of the influenza virus. The recombination of its surface proteins created a virus novel to almost everyone and a loss of herd immunity. Recently the virus has been reconstructed from the tissue of a dead soldier and is now being genetically characterized. The name of Spanish Flu came from the early affliction and large mortalities in Spain (BMJ,10/19/1918) where it allegedly killed 8 million in May (BMJ, 7/13/1918). However, a first wave of influenza appeared early in the spring of 1918 in Kansas and in military camps throughout the US. Few noticed the epidemic in the midst of the war. Wilson had just given his 14 point address. There was virtually no response or acknowledgment to the epidemics in March and April in the military camps. It was unfortunate that no steps were taken to prepare for the usual recrudescence of the virulent influenza strain in the winter. The lack of action was later criticized when the epidemic could not be ignored in the winter of 1918 (BMJ, 1918). These first epidemics at training camps were a sign of what was coming in greater magnitude in the fall and winter of 1918 to the entire world.

http://virus.stanford.edu/uda/

[ELF]

There is no god damn way I'll ever get a flu shot, my doctor asked if I wanted one and I told him and his assistant in no uncertain terms " HELL NO! ", they never ask me again if I wanted a flu shot.

[Donnie in Ohio]

Originally Posted by ELF

There is no god damn way I'll ever get a flu shot, my doctor asked if I wanted one and I told him and his assistant in no uncertain terms " HELL NO! ", they never ask me again if I wanted a flu shot.

Jesus. A simple "no thank you" would work, too. Why is everyone always so wound up?

[ELF]

Originally Posted by Donnie in Ohio

Jesus. A simple "no thank you" would work, too. Why is everyone always so wound up?

Simple because my doctor or one of his assignments asked me more then once if I wanted *The Shot* and I refused but they still kept pushing it until I made it clear in no uncertain terms that I did not want the shot and after I took a more *Forceful* approach to make it clear to them that I did not want the shot I asked them to make a note in my medical records that i did not want *The Shot* the last time I was there, now I will see if they will try and offer me *The Shot* the next time I could and see my doctor and if they do then I'm going to make it CLEAR to them that if they keep up with their asshattery things will become how shall we say *unpleasant* for them.

[Alex Linder]

Originally Posted by N.B. Forrest

http://virus.stanford.edu/uda/

Thanks, knew I remember something like that.

[Alex Linder]

Originally Posted by Donnie in Ohio

Jesus. A simple "no thank you" would work, too. Why is everyone always so wound up?

But the government pitching these shots around the clock isn't wound up? They literally have signs on half the buildings and political-type signs in the ground promoting these shots. That's where the hysteria lies.

And then god forbid you doubt the motives or efficacy of ANY vaccine - the leftists are entirely willing, the vast majority of them, to throw you in the gulag and seize your kids. I'm not even one particle joking. You should see the abuse they hurl at public figure who dares to doubt - Jenny McCarthy, for one.

I'm not against all vaccines, but each one has to be considered on its own merits. There are incentives here beyond protecting health, and they begin with Big Regulation and Big Business making big money creating and distributing big batches of this stuff when even by their own admission it doesn't cover all cases. The reason there's so much hysteria about folks saying "no thanks" to flu shots is the enemy correctly perceives, in its jew-paranoid way, that flu shots, like homeschooling, is a proxy for one's faith and trust in government. These fuckers have a full-fledged cult going, and they don't want anyone backing out of the room.