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Old October 22nd, 2014 #281
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Greg explains the worth of "naming the Jew", Griffin seems to deliberately misunderstand his point.

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October 22, 2014 at 6:08 pm

“Naming the Jew” boils down to understanding that Jews are a different people with different interests from whites, that Jews have a long history of extreme hostility to whites, and — most importantly — that the organized Jewish community is the primary political impediment to whites regaining control of our destinies.

What next? At the very minimum, you have to take stock of your personal and political affiliations, then distance yourself from Jews. Since nothing less than the survival of our race is at stake, we really can’t afford to have political organizations that do not understand the Jewish threat and, therefore, exclude Jews — all Jews, even nice Jews, even Jews that claim to be sympathetic (because that is what any Jewish infiltrator would say).

If the CofCC and the LOS do not exclude Jews (openly or secretly), then they really are not serious movements, in the sense that they do not take seriously the threat to white survival, the enmity of the Jewish community, and the necessity of not wasting another 50+ years with more ineffectual buffoonery.
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1.) The Jew is named hundreds of times, maybe thousands of times, every single day. There’s hardly a day that goes by in which I don’t see the Jew named online. The Jew has been named millions of times over the past 13 years. There’s never been any shortage of naming the Jew.

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October 22, 2014 at 8:42 pm

2.) Jews can pretend to be anyone and cause as much chaos as possible under the cloak of anonymity on the internet. In real life, they are under much greater scrutiny, and I rarely see them except at Amren conferences why do you happen to see them at the your race's supposed advocate and savior and nowhere else? the facts are there. The Jews are killing us, why is he at supposed white savior Jar-Jar Taylor's conferece??? isn't that just really weird?. Does the survival of the White race hinge on stopping Jewamongyou at the entrance to Montgomery Bell State Park?

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October 22, 2014 at 8:46 pm

3.) In over 20 years, neither the CofCC or the League has ever had a problem with Jewish sabotage. gee, why is that? are the jews afraid or what do you think, mr griffie? repulsive idiot. These hypothetical Jews are too busy trolling the internet for lulz to join real world organizations.

4.) Can anyone be taken seriously who won’t show his face in public or be seen outside his own house?
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Old October 22nd, 2014 #282
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It's amazing how every time Griffin posts some piece of Movement dirty laundry at his website, it immediately gets picked up by the SPLC, isn't it?

... no, not really. At best, he's a useful idiot for them; at worst, he's actively working with them.
I have no evidence against him, and I state that upfront.

But I sure wouldn't be surprised if he were now or does in the future.

I personally think people are crazy to trust him in any way, shape or form.

Even apart from what he might do with the enemy, he simply isn't stable and doesn't have any fixed beliefs.
 
Old October 22nd, 2014 #283
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I wonder where you got the idea that this was a way to do things. The left since the late 1930s has used exactly the opposite approach. "No enemies on the left." I guess they learned from their defeat in Germany that quarrels between extremists and moderates in their cause made them weak.
The left controls the media, so they are playing a different game. The farther left = edgier. You don't get drummed out of the (NYT) for writing an article in defense of (pedophilia). Whereas you do get drummed out of any right camp by making a statement supporting any position to its right.

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You don't have to support Jared Taylor or Pat Buchanan, but I told you, throwing rocks at the kindergarten teacher is not a way to make the kindergarten students like you. You have a better chance to reach them by playing nice.
You're just wrong, and I'm tired of telling you why. The idea that you're ahead of Pat Buchanan is laughable. He has infinitely more money and press access than you, and if you come up with a clever idea - he will steal it and repackage it for his books without giving you credit. But keep on looking out for his interests, it's cute.
 
Old October 22nd, 2014 #284
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Griffin refuses to see the reasons to WN failing in the US so far; the jews and the feds undermining it. Why that is, we can only speculate upon.

He's doing safe, conservative work right now. Personally, I think his idea of secession of the South is extremely ridiculous.
 
Old October 22nd, 2014 #285
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I have addressed your complaints a number of times by pointing out that Taylor presents valuable education about the Black and Brown problems with just occasional fudging (in his discourse) as needed to avoid broaching the Jewish Question, but you don't acknowledge that his educational endeavor is worth anything.
That's because I don't think it's worth anything. We simply disagree on this. Whites have proved for decades by their behavior they GET niggers. And niggers is the only lesson in taylor's plan.

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You fail to take into account that Taylor is talking to conservatives, in other words beginning-level racists (but a very large number of them) who still have a lot to learn. Racial kindergarten, I call it, but you only notice that they aren't up to your grade-level yet.
Wrong. He is talking to anyone who will listen. I would listen to him because he's smart - but he's withholding what I need to know, so I don't. He's wasting his time/space going over stuff even his defenders admit is kindergarten. The School of Hard Knocks is plenty able to communicate those basic lessons to whites these days. The bottom line remains: the one place education truly is needed is on the jews - and that is the lesson Taylor will not teach and in fact will do his unlevel best to keep from being learned. Which his defenders refuse to acknowledge. If jews are our race's one true enemy, then how can Jared Taylor be our friend or our advocate? There's a kindergarten lesson for you, Hadding - and one you haven't learned.

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To make a fair assessment of whether Taylor is moving things in a positive direction you have to take into account the audience that he is addressing, and what their starting point is, and whether what Taylor teaches them is more than they would otherwise have known, and whether the facts and arguments that he gives them are better than the facts and arguments with which they would otherwise have been armed, and whether what he says to them stiffens their will to resist. Realistically, for the vast majority of these conservatives, the alternatives are not Jared Taylor or Alex Linder, but more like Jared Taylor or Rush Limbaugh.

It doesn't seem to occur to you either that accurate information about the Black and Brown problems is also implicitly damaging to Jews, since Jews conspicuously promote those problems -- and also attack Jared Taylor for debunking their propaganda! A recent example was a certain SUSSMAN. The fact that a few Jews attend AmRen conferences to take Taylor's side amounts to damage-control for Jewry. Where there's damage-control, damage is being done.

And finally -- something that I have pointed out many times -- Taylor is not actively discouraging anybody from looking into the Jewish Question or Holocaust Revisionism. In fact his known association with Professor MacDonald is bound to pique the interest of some AmRen subscribers to look into MacDonald's work.

And that question right there shows your blindspot.
Contrast the small amount of theoretical good taylor does in spite of himself (you strenuously deny the in spite part) with the vast amount of good he could do were he actually on our side. People get the muds. They dont get the jews. That's where education from intelligent advocates is necessary.
 
Old October 22nd, 2014 #286
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What are you alluding to here? I remember from one of his broadcasts, that he visited Germany and the NPD. Only had good to say about them.

Personally I despise the anglo's for their treachery during WW2. Fucking Churchill is ready to destroy Europe and the White race, essentially, just to get his debt paid by the jews. Disgusting. Add to that, the culture of America which seems very Anglo-dominated. The idiots in the audience of the Oprah Show, or Dr Phil is everything that is wrong with british culture.

Would never happen in Germanic countries, that kind of unashamed, open idolatry of mediocre people. Money is useful; nothing to be worshipped of.
That may be it, the merchant mentality. I can say from direct knowledge that Winston Churchill is the #1 conservative hero, to American right-wingers.

Pierce turned to the NS in Germany to find out what was going on, and to find a model for resistance to jewish tyranny. There was nothing in any British-legacy culture to look to for practical guidance.
 
Old October 22nd, 2014 #287
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Greg explains the worth of "naming the Jew", Griffin seems to deliberately misunderstand his point.
There's a lot of that with Gummi Boi and even more evasion. Notice he simply ignores my example of Doles and Rounder, even when I harp on it. That bespeaks a fundamental dishonesty or slipperiness in his character, because he damn sure saw what I said.

I pride myself in knocking down any arguments opposed to mine. And if I lose, now and then, then I have something better to use.

One huge problem on the Anglo-right is the lack of intellectual consistency proved in the lack of felt need to address contradictions. We might as well be niggers, mentally, too often. X and Y are opposed? Oh well. Somehow will work itself out. Winners don't think like this. Jews don't think like this. Nazis didn't think like this. Only conservatives think like this. The Founders were racist? And I support the founders and constitution? And I'm not racist? Oh well, somehow that all doesn't really matter. Only a "liberal" like you would bring it up. These are physical adults but mental children and, most important, political losers.

Gummiest Boi aka Wholesome Brad does not flip it around to see the reason CCC/LOS aren't attacked is they don't pose a threat. Subvert what? There is nothing there to subvert.
 
Old October 22nd, 2014 #288
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Naming the jew means identifying -- in the ordinary sense of the word -- the architects of the policies destroying our countries.

I can't think of another example where we are supposed to write about what's going on without noticing or mentioning who's responsible. It makes no kind of sense, least of all for the folks who are supposed to be resisting it. How can you resist jews without naming them? Only people serving the jews, or people confused beyond usefulness, would even suggest such a foolish idea.
 
Old October 22nd, 2014 #289
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Listen to this guy:

Griffin refuses to see the reasons to WN failing in the US so far; the jews and the feds undermining it. Why that is, we can only speculate upon.

Linder hasn’t been seen in public outside his own house all year. Is that due to Jews or his own choices?
Braddie seems upset with me. Well, what are your arguments, faggot? Why are the Jews not attacking LOS or Council of Faggot Citizens, but genuine White Nationalists like White or Doles? Is it because the Jews are scared of you Southern, Bible-carrying shitheads?

What is this obsession with Linder not being seen "outside his own house all year"? Is he a cave-dweller? Implying he's roaming in the crypts like Greggy, who's touching dead Bowen's body every now and then?
 
Old October 22nd, 2014 #290
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Greg explains the worth of "naming the Jew", Griffin seems to deliberately misunderstand his point.
Greggy is not one to quote about anything. The guy is not serious. He preaches Christianity on Sundays and something totally the opposite the rest of the week.
 
Old October 22nd, 2014 #291
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Pierce turned to the NS in Germany to find out what was going on, and to find a model for resistance to jewish tyranny. There was nothing in any British-legacy culture to look to for practical guidance.
Your point is well taken but just in case you're enjoying another little swipe at the British please recall that English King Edward I expelled the Jews almost a thousand years ago. Where did they go to regroup and eventually become a world threatening force? Germany.
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I have addressed your complaints a number of times by pointing out that Taylor presents valuable education about the Black and Brown problems with just occasional fudging (in his discourse) as needed to avoid broaching the Jewish Question, but you don't acknowledge that his educational endeavor is worth anything.
That's because I don't think it's worth anything. We simply disagree on this. Whites have proved for decades by their behavior they GET niggers. And niggers is the only lesson in taylor's plan.
Mestizos too. But yeah, we seem to agree that this is the main crux of the disagreement about Taylor.

I think it could be demonstrated that many people don't "get niggers." Otherwise there would be no point in the distorted representations of mass-media. Everybody would just see through them.

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Old October 22nd, 2014 #293
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There are still 'people' who don't get niggers. The majority of White women, effeminate males (not just fags) and, unfortunately, many young men who've attended college.

So maybe Taylor has a worthwhile gig.

But I don't buy it.

Linder is right on this one. Sycophants like this who claim to 'lead' but dodge the principle obstacle should be shot on sight, uh, verbally. What's to debate?
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There are still 'people' who don't get niggers. The majority of White women, effeminate males (not just fags) and, unfortunately, many young men who've attended college.

So maybe Taylor has a worthwhile gig.

But I don't buy it.

Linder is right on this one. Sycophants like this who claim to 'lead' but dodge the principle obstacle should be shot on sight, uh, verbally. What's to debate?
Is that you Greggy? Saying p and not-p in the same brief post?

It must be Greggy.
 
Old October 22nd, 2014 #295
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Not sure I get the Jared Taylor thing.

People know who Buchanan is, nobody knows who Taylor is. He's a racist unperson, who can't even hold a rubber chicken convention without leftists telling him they'll blow him up.

So now, banished from the Kingdom of Zog, he toils in the Black statistics mines, still afraid to set foot in Fortress Europe. Which seems like really boring work, that he gives away for free on his website(?), and is I guess slightly helpful.

Not a very good rival.
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Old October 23rd, 2014 #296
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There are still 'people' who don't get niggers. The majority of White women, effeminate males (not just fags) and, unfortunately, many young men who've attended college.

So maybe Taylor has a worthwhile gig.

But I don't buy it.

Linder is right on this one. Sycophants like this who claim to 'lead' but dodge the principle obstacle should be shot on sight, uh, verbally. What's to debate?
The only people I know who don't get niggers are people who A) go to Jewniversity (especially women who will believe anything you tell them if you do it with a serious face) and B) people who have not encountered many niggers in their personal lives and get their idea of them from television and media.

Hence, the % of people who authentically don't know at least the majority of blacks are violent, stupid, and dangerous, are miniscule and mostly concentrated in places with few niggers like the Midwest and Northwest.

The biggest problem with whites is individualism. Whites know that when a large group of niggers goes anywhere people die, crime rates shoot up, white women and girls get raped, and everything turns into a slum. With that said we all know a few black people who are nice and decent. It creates a paradox because 300 years of "individual rights" baloney pedaled by conservatives (not the left) means that I'm supposed to risk the lives of my family because one of the 1,000 niggers moving into my neighborhood could be Dr Huxtable.

Since American Renaissance promotes the same "small government", "individual agency", and all the other libertarian/conservative limp-dick bullshit the others do, I don't see how they even come close to fulfilling their stated mission.

Black people who are decent should be treated well and with respect. But that doesn't mean they need to live around me, especially if it means it will provoke an influx of dangerous niggers. In fact, if decent and well-behaved blacks had to live among other blacks, they could deal and lead them, which benefits both whites and blacks. But this kind of thinking is "socialist" to Jared Taylor, what if Tiger Woods wants to fuck white women and join your white country club? How can you violate the principles of "individual liberty" by barring him and telling him to marry and socialize with black people?
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Old October 23rd, 2014 #297
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I think you're right, although it's interesting to watch the System try to find Eric Frein.
Yeah, one survivalist-type who knows the (huge) tree-intensive locale can be problematic. Think Eric Rudolph. Still think he's likely dead in a week, though. Reportedly seen by locals, meaning he is sticking close to the immediate area, which is a very large mistake.

I don't have a J.D. from Harvard, but I used to contractually fuck someone who did, and her advice coupled with my own observations gleaned from watching The First 48 to anyone contemplating any hypothetical illegal activity, from Jaywalking to Capital Murder:

1. Work alone. Period. An accomplice is just a witness that hasn't been arrested yet.

2. Don't discuss your activities at any stage, prior or post, with any other individual. Period. Ever. Ask the Mahon brothers.

3. If ever approached by any LEO, request an attorney and remain 100% silent thereafter.

Those three usually suffice, but since it's now the 21rst century, I would also add to leave any mobile cellular device you might have at home. Phone/ISP records are routinely subpoenaed to possibly establish location.

Who the fuck would be dumb enough to advocate illegal activity online, especially on a publicly (spelled with one "L", was wrong about that for decades without anyone taking the time to correct me before you did. I've learned more about grammar heer than I ever did in school, and I appreciate it) read White Nationalist forum?

Everyone knows that the only person who speaks for VNN is A-Diddy, but I assume that isn't an individual we as an online community want to be associated with. I further assume that's why anyone advocating illegal activity on this forum has always been instantly banned. I don't read any other WN sites on anything approaching even a casual basis, but I have to think that is their policy as well.

That's just fucking common sense.
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Old October 23rd, 2014 #298
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You'd know better than me, I guess.
No crystal ball insights here, man. I'm just going by what the guy has written on the subject over the years.

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I just don't really see the point in discussing who "gives a shit" about Griffin.
I've said it before and I'll say it once again: At some point Brad Griffin is going to have a truly epic breakdown that will make his previous breakdowns pale in comparison. Dude oozes weird.
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Old October 23rd, 2014 #299
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Per that picture:

The revolution will be appetized.
The Soufflé will rise again!
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Old October 23rd, 2014 #300
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Without the sympathy if not outright support of a significant percentage the white "civilian" population, any illegal activity is premature at best, outright suicidal at worst.

That might be unpopular to say, but I believe it's true.
It is. But we don't need a majority for that to change. Jury nullification becomes a stumbling block to the feds once we have one in ten with us.

It wouldn't take much more than ten percent of Whites seeing the jewish problem and deciding they'd had enough to force the jews out.
 
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