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Old November 18th, 2005 #1
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National Socialism
And The State Of The White Nationalist Movement

Bill White

What I am stating here today, insofar as it is critical of certain white organizations and leaders, is not NSM policy, but an expression of my opinion and evaluation of the current state of white nationalist struggle in the United States.

I have said that there is no white racial struggle without national socialism, and that that position is reflective of the general position of the National Socialist Movement. Our critics have responded with the question "what about unity"? My response is that "unity" does not mean other National Socialist Movement being restricted by the position of another organization, with a different world view or tactics.

When it is said that there is no white nationalism without national socialism, that is exactly what is meant. It is impossible to struggle for the interests of the white race without inevitably coming to the national socialist worldview.

There are a number of reasons white activists do not call themselves national socialists when, in fact, they are contributing to such a struggle. These divide into three types:

One is the activist who is struggling for the white race but does not have a fully developed ideology. These activists are proto-national-socialists. They are national socialists that do not have a full enough political development to identify themselves as such. With this type of activist, the National Socialist Movement urges unity.

The second is the activist who is a national socialist but who is convinced that national socialism cannot win, and thus disguises their national socialism as something else. These are the activists who attack the National Socialist Movement's approach as "too bold", as "dated", as "having no appeal". These are activists who wish they could achieve national socialism but, lacking the will and the confidence necessary to struggle for it, are content to struggle for something else -- something approved, or which they believe could be approved, by the current Jewish system of exploitation and oppression. While these activists are always welcome to attend National Socialist Movement events and consider a conversion, there is little room for "unity" between us -- because their fear of their own selves causes them to reject us as a living negation of their approach.

The third type of activist is the activist convinced of some other doctrine, but also convinced, separately, of racial theories which contradict it. Constitutionalists, libertarians and the "Patriot Movement" fall into this category. The US Constitution, the ideology of libertarianism, and the "Patriotism" of the "Patriot Movement", all rest on a belief system that holds at its heart the fundamental equality of man, or that a system should exist that makes pretense of such equality. Sometimes these men argue that in a "true" system of equality, natural differentiation will occur anyways, since given an equal playing field, the inequality of man will create and perpetuate economic and social inequalities. But they ignore the paradox that, if an equal playing field creates and perpetuates inequality, why should the equal playing field be created in the first place, as oppose to a playing field that separates men along the divisions men inevitably fall into?

We stress unity with this last type because we know that they will eventually go one of two ways -- they will either persist in their delusions about "equality", and thus will go "anti-racist", or they will abandon their egalitarian and Masonic notions and become National Socialists.

In the white nationalist "scene", there are three centers of leadership right now. There is the group around National Vanguard, Stormfront and David Duke, the group around Vanguard News Network and Alex Linder, and there is the National Socialist Movement and its broad coalition.

National Vanguard and Stormfront, and their leaders, Kevin Strom, Don Black and David Duke, are national socialists who believe very strongly that national socialism cannot win, and that there must be a bourgeois-conservative revolution as a precondition for a National Socialist victory. Their position is similar to that, on the left of a century ago, of the reformist communists of the German parliament and the Mensheviks of the Russian. They believe that a "Far Right" conservative government along Constitutionalist - Patriotic lines, that embraces some racial realities but is not willing to take on the issue of the Jew is necessary before a national socialist revolution, and that the ultimate goal of national socialist revolution must be concealed from everyone -- including many of their own supporters -- until the preconditions have been met.

What such men inevitably find, even when successful, is that they end up becoming the "extreme" opposition to a "moderate" government that comes to power popularly but that is so threatened that it might lose power by a "swing" "further right" that is turns on them with more opposition than their actual opponents. Witness the behavior of Chirac towards the "hard liner" Sarkozy in the French government -- or the behavior of any "conservative" party in Europe towards any "nationalist" party.

In life you only get what you ask for. If you ask for a "far right" conservative government that embraces the principles of the Constitution and had some mild understanding of racial reality, you will get that -- and it will, over time, turn into exactly what the last government in the US of that nature turned into -- a neo-conservative state dominated and exploited by Jews and ex-communists.

If you are going to turn back time, you might as well go back to the beginning. If you're going to fight the uphill battle for a revolution, you might as well fight for what you want, instead of what you think might be mildly easier to achieve.

The National Socialist Movement rejects those "white nationalist" groups that believe that "racial conservatism" is an effective front for infiltrating the mainstream culture, and we reject the approach that calls for a national socialist revolution in two stages, and the concealment of the aims of the national socialist organization from its own supporters and members.

Thus, the call recently made by David Duke for the National Socialist Movement to abandon its uniforms and to advocate a mainstream or conservative view during the rally in Kingston, New York, is absolutely rejected. The approach taken by Duke and his supporters is, in our view, counter productive, and, in my view, those individuals who advocate it, and who attempt to interfere in the activities of other activists and force it upon others, are baggage that should be cut loose from and considered as something separate from the white liberation struggle.

Vanguard News Network, however, more represents the blank slate -- the organization without any developed political ideology -- and this is primarily because of the inadequacies of its leadership. In fact, in my personal opinion, Vanguard News Network is defined by the inadequacies of its leadership. Its consistent attacks on the National Socialist Movement, in my view, represent the fear its leaders have of a movement that is more dynamic than their own, that threatens to overwhelm them simply by filling their ideological void, and that offers them no potential for advancement, as their leadership consists to a disturbing degree of individuals who have been expelled from other organizations and are not welcome back.

VNN would do well to develop and advocate for a coherent world view more sophisticated than "simple" white racialism. One can refer all questions to the interests of the race, but one cannot answer all questions by the race alone. What is a proper housing policy for a white government? What is a proper penal policy? Some questions have obvious answers -- black crime against whites must be addressed, for instance -- but how should it be addressed? And how should white crime in a white society be addressed? It is by answering the more sophisticated questions that a real national socialism develops.

So the National Socialist Movement stands apart from the other trends in white nationalism in that it is not willing to pursue a reformist path and it is not willing to accept the leadership of those who do not have a fully developed and coherent social, political and economic worldview. The National Socialist Movement represents the highest degree the white liberation struggle has achieved in the United States, and, as such, its organization and its tactics represent the only option for white nationalism and white people.
 
Old November 18th, 2005 #2
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VNN is not a group Bill. You still dont get it. VNN is a communications medium. VNN is an instrumentality. VNN is a beginning not an end in itself. That is what groups are and always become.

VNN has more in common with Metzger's "WAR" concept than any of these other outfits Bill mentions in his essay in that we are a loose association of people using a central communications hub. Bill uses VNN, National Vanguard uses VNN, the NSMers and the SFers use VNN. The anti-Millerites and Order Cultists use VNN. The people who call VNN a "black flag jew-op" use VNN to say so.

VNN compared to NSM and National Vanguard-- apples to oranges. VNN to SF, or VNN to resist.com-- much better analogies.

It's not a popularity contest Bill. And the analogy to Russia is flawed as well. You're looking at the Bolshevik revolution in terms of ideology instead of understanding it as a subversive event contrived by powerful Jews to defang and dismantle and loot the Russian Empire. As a National Socialist, you should stop looking at the Russian Revolution like a Marxist, and look at it like a Nazi, because the Nazis understood it for what it was whereas you sound like a college student writing a term paper.
 
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VNN is not a group Bill. You still dont get it.
VNN is a group. It may not be a formal organization, but it does exist as an identifiable political entity.

The fact that its "leadership" doesn't see it as a group is evidence of the political immaturity (underdevelopment, early stage in the cycle of maturity, etc, not meant as an insult) of the organization.
 
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.... the fact that its "leadership" doesn't see it as a group is evidence of the political immaturity (underdevelopment, early stage in the cycle of maturity, etc, not meant as an insult) of the organization.
OK, well, we're better off if you see it that way anyhow.
 
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When it is said that there is no white nationalism without national socialism, that is exactly what is meant. It is impossible to struggle for the interests of the white race without inevitably coming to the national socialist worldview.
This sounds just like the Christians on Stormfront that say Whites cannot reclaim their country without "returning to our Chrisitian heritage".
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Hitler said that to win sometimes required a hysterical fanatism. You, Mr. White, however have declared such to be white trash, and thought it a good idea if these people race mixed to destroy their white lineage.

When Hitler, with Genghis Kahn, God and the crack legions of the SS who where called to Valhalla, return to fight the Jews and their lackeys, as you suppose will occur, don't you fear that you will be on their hit list for promoting race-mixing as a way of destroying the very elements Hitler said were essential for victory?

You are a nut-bar White. I have never heard or read a National Socialist ever saying race-mixing served a good purpose. I have read you saying such, but never a National Socialist.
 
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This sounds just like the Christians on Stormfront that say Whites cannot reclaim their country without "returning to our Chrisitian heritage".
Its like that. And, in fact, for what they mean, they are right. We cannot restore a Masonic-Puritan-style Constitutional Republic without a return to the Christianity and Masonry of the 18th century.

Its just that its not in the interest of the white race to merely return to an earlier stage of decadence. What is needed is to clean house. National Socialism is cleaning house.
 
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VNN would do well to develop and advocate for a coherent world view more sophisticated than "simple" white racialism. One can refer all questions to the interests of the race, but one cannot answer all questions by the race alone. What is a proper housing policy for a white government? What is a proper penal policy?
White people do need a reform of their worldview to a post-Enlightenment outlook, instead of continuing to oscillate hypocritically between the Enlightenment and reality. They need to stop believing that only individuals count and that races don't. They need to accept that conflict among races is a given and embrace the idea of fighting for their own race.

What I don't think is really useful at this point is a highly detailed platform that addresses every issue of government. It's a bit like specifying what color drapes and what kind of carpet you will have in your Beverly Hills mansion after you win the lottery.

It's not really the right time for getting into details, when so much still has to be done to achieve a basic reorientation of worldview. Once the right worldview and values have been embraced, the details will follow as necessity arises.

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What I don't think is really useful at this point is a highly detailed platform that addresses every issue of government. It's a bit like specifying what color drapes and what kind of carpet you will have in your Beverly Hills mansion after you win the lottery.
The particulars of the platform need to be tailored to the particulars of the ascent to power.

However, having a deeper philosophy than just "be white" is necessary. "Be white" is where it starts, but the question of "what does it mean to be white" is begged by it.
 
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The particulars of the platform need to be tailored to the particulars of the ascent to power.

However, having a deeper philosophy than just "be white" is necessary. "Be white" is where it starts, but the question of "what does it mean to be white" is begged by it.
Yes but I think that this should be delivered in the form of criticism of what is going on now. That way it will be connected to current reality and it won't come across as pie in the sky. Once we get some White people to accept that racial solidarity is not evil then we can move on to something a little less basic.

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Old November 19th, 2005 #11
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So the National Socialist Movement stands apart from the other trends in white nationalism in that it is not willing to pursue a reformist path and it is not willing to accept the leadership of those who do not have a fully developed and coherent social, political and economic worldview. The National Socialist Movement represents the highest degree the white liberation struggle has achieved in the United States, and, as such, its organization and its tactics represent the only option for white nationalism and white people.
There's too much inaccurate characterization here to discuss fully, but VNN's basic view is racial dictatorship now, power devolution later. We have always taken the hardest possible line on the jews. When jews and coloreds do not exist in our nation, there can be no recurrence of judeo-neocon-liberal insanity.

Ideally, a White U.S. would function like Switzerland. Extremely heavily armed individuals, living in their various communities as they see fit, but with an unbreakable common commitment that the state, the federal government, exists to defend the race that created it. As long as government carries out its one duty, defending the race, the vast majority of the rest of the decisions are better left to local Whites to decide. I don't want Bill White making housing decisions out of Washington any more than I want Kevin Strom making marriage decisions.

I doubt most costume nazis have more than a superficial understanding of NS philosophy, and indeed the truth about NS Germany is difficult to determine even for intelligent and motivated people, but it is clear that NS Germany involved a degree of bureaucratic intrusiveness unacceptable to Aryans. I continue to believe there is nothing essentially wrong with White people. They are not suicidal, and while their reproduction levels are lower than historically, in themselves they are not the problem. The problem, as we have always said, is that a race of hostile aliens controls our government and communications networks.
 
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I know a few NSM's, and they are quite intellectual. The notorious Professor Pluss gave speeches which were pedantic and extremely boring to people who do not have enough brains, so the "skin heads" of the NSM were not complete idiots, since they read and listened to him.

I think we need to accept the NSM, and with good reason: By wearing the swastika, they are creating a better place for us. Why? Because by comparison, we who march without the swastika are seen as conservatives and a welcome relief.

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There's too much inaccurate characterization here to discuss fully, but VNN's basic view is racial dictatorship now, power devolution later. We have always taken the hardest possible line on the jews. When jews and coloreds do not exist in our nation, there can be no recurrence of judeo-neocon-liberal insanity.

Ideally, a White U.S. would function like Switzerland. Extremely heavily armed individuals, living in their various communities as they see fit, but with an unbreakable common commitment that the state, the federal government, exists to defend the race that created it. As long as government carries out its one duty, defending the race, the vast majority of the rest of the decisions are better left to local Whites to decide. I don't want Bill White making housing decisions out of Washington any more than I want Kevin Strom deciding who is allowed to marry whom.

I doubt most costume nazis have more than a superficial understanding of NS philosophy, and indeed the truth about NS Germany is difficult to determine even for intelligent and motivated people, but it is clear that NS Germany involved a degree of bureaucratic intrusiveness unacceptable to Aryans. I continue to believe there is nothing essentially wrong with White people. They are not suicidal, and while their reproduction levels are lower than historically, in themselves they are not the problem. The problem, as we have always said, is that a race of hostile aliens controls our government and communications networks.
 
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I know a few NSM's, and they are quite intellectual. The notorious Professor Pluss gave speeches which were pedantic and extremely boring to people who do not have enough brains, so the "skin heads" of the NSM were not complete idiots, since they read and listened to him.

I think we need to accept the NSM, and with good reason: By wearing the swastika, they are creating a better place for us. Why? Because by comparison, we who march without the swastika are seen as conservatives and a welcome relief.
Pluss was an infiltrator, and so he can't be taken as an example of the group's intellectual level. The fact that Pluss, like Bill White, immediately rose to the top of the NSM is the true indication of the general level of the group. I guess I could also point to self-appointed Commander Schoep's semi-literacy, but then I will be accused of attacking the group rather than making an objectively valid point.

The U.S. is not Germany. We Aryan Americans are not Germans. What works for them will not necessarily work for us, either strategically or tactically. As real German nationalists said, nazism is not for export. There's a chance they're right. They also said that America is not a people, but a type. I think that is correct.

My reading of what will work in America is a racial dictatorship, first, and extensive personal freedom, second. Without a dictatorship powerful enough to depose the jews, none of the good things us WN and conservatives and, hell, just plain normal white people want is possible, so let's not pretend otherwise. The enemy holds all the high positions, and even if we were to disguise our aims, they would sniff them out and denounce us just the same.

We should always refer to our opponents as extremists, since they've preloaded the term, and since it accurately reflects the insanity of multiculturalism. We advocate policies that reduce friction between groups, and thereby crime. On the positive side, our policy promotes harmony within and between groups, and makes life better for all. So, ours is the normal, mainstream position, both in theory and reality, as we see that even the most indoctrinated people in the history of the world -- American Whites -- act like "evil" racists when it comes to the most basic decision: whom to live among. They choose white areas, from me and you all the way left to Bill and Hillary Clinton.

The task of the day is building up media organs and organizing Whites. VNN has done as good a job at this as anybody. Media are just a start. They alone are not enough. Men of, yes, fanatical will must organize locally to do what needs to be done. The Internet allows global coordination in that regard. It is too easy to decapitate an organization, and so faith in one great leader is misplaced. It comes down to how strong the taste for living free from jewish tyranny really is in the breast of the good men who in combination could tear apart the Jewish Hate Machine.
 
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Fair enough. But what about the weak points that allowed the Jew entry. For example abuse of the working man by the capitalist? How about organization of education? Because the USA is a big country most decisions can be devolved down to state and county level, but then there is the inherent risk of outside interference to create fractures between the states, so some form of firm control would be needed to keep that in line.

Defending the people against exploitation is a social aspect; national unity as a racial or biological nationalism is somehow going to have to be instilled. You can't just say let us turn back the clock as Bill White maintains. You have to face the future and societal development. People expect more, like health care. So whether you provide it as remuneration for service, say in a local militia, sort of like Switzerland or in some other form, group social responsibility is here to stay, unless you want to create an underclass who see no benefit at all. Don't have to call it socialisim if you don't want to. The combination of 1) an instilled national pride and unity (while maintaining regional diversity) and 2) care and maintanence for the people to protect them from exploitation, doesn't have to be called National Socialism, but that is what it amounts to.

I believe Mussolini said fascism wasn't for export.

"And in all eternity nothing will change," he proceeded, "so far as the attitude of the Jews toward our kings and our leaders is concerned. To destroy them is their eternal sin, and when they can't accomplish this by force, then they will use cunning. Whenever we have a strong leadership, the Jews are obliged to keep their noses clean. Our leadership can be truly strong, however, only if it is based completely in our people; only if it concerns itself with the welfare of the least among them just as much as with that of the wealthiest of them; only if, in the firm conviction of its own worth, it bars every alien influence from the beginning; only if it is not merely national, but is also social, down to its very bones. No matter what others may say, I assert this: a time will come when all the elite nations of the world will have such a leadership; and then everyone will be astonished to see that, instead of grating on one another as has previously been the case, they will treat one another with respect and consideration. For then there will be no more whipping up of land greed, of an itching for power, of suspicion—sentiments which exist in unmixed form only in the isolated few, and not in the more trusting general populace, anyhow. There will be an end to the lying praise of an indiscriminate human brotherhood, which would be possible, if at all, only under the supposition that one had from the first excluded that eternal mischief-maker, the Jew. But had this been done, there would be no need to push the universal brotherhood idea; the various peoples would find themselves compatible of their own accord."
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Fair enough. But what about the weak points that allowed the Jew entry. For example abuse of the working man by the capitalist?
The market raised average income and wellbeing far higher than anything else in history. "Exploitation" is a slippery word. What is it intended to mean? 150 years ago, most of us would have been farmers. Then the white race went through industrialization. It's easy to look back and say things should have been different, but look at where the "exploitation," if you must call it that, led: to riches available to the average man far beyond what any king could have dreamed of. So, I think the market deserves some credit, even if there was an interval when five-year-old girls had to work twelve-hour days. All the best white thinkers would say that human nature, or White nature, can't be altered, and people require the carrot of individual reward in order to do what intellectually they know they should. We have the ideals to keep our heads pointed in the right direction, but we need ordinary rewards and incentives to keep the system lubricated, even in an all-White society. Whites are naturally harmonious and competitive, and a good political order will divert these impulses in proper channels.

I consider it clear that the market mechanism works. I also consider it clear that the market knows no morals and few laws, and that the merchant, as Jefferson said, cares about his customers more than anything else. So, the merchant must be freed where he helps, and bound where he hurts. Who is to say? asks the libertarian. We are. We have no moral problem with using power to quash our racial enemies, because we understand that is biology's rule. Ninety-nine percent of the species that ever existed are extinct; we require no justification for fighting our oppressors beyond our desire to continue our line without being folded back into the darkness. Once competing races are vanquished, we can construct a system in which the economy serves the state's interests - in which the economy helps protect, rather than endangers, the race the state exists to serve. We say the merchant will be executed for employing Mexicans, selling high-tech to China, or producing interracial pornography.

The political class must dominate the business class, and go as far as it can in building a Prussian or Chinese quasi-clerical morality into the, small, bureacracy. This is not an easy culture to create, it can't be done overnight. With media removed from the hands of the jew, and with public education made Aryan and functional once again, we can begin to achieve it. We can never fool ourselves that a perfect system is possible, as the spoils of power will always tempt White men to break the law and serve themselves where they ought to fulfill their duty. It's a question of pushing the marginal man as far toward responsibilty as we can, by means of stern law, appeals to reason, and social approval, backed by mass media, and the applause of all classes.

There will have to be national public education to reverse the effects of 100 years of jewish Big Lying in the minds of the people. Americans once had a common understanding of themselves, their peoplehood, their nation, their past, and their future. They can again. This time they will get the full picture, including the foundation in race that was assumed, but not made as explicit as necessary - the true weak point that allowed jewish entry, rather than capitalist exploitation.

I don't see big business controlling things the way the left does. I worked a corporate job for years, I ran my own company for five years, and I consider corporate America in most ways preferable to academia. Business forces men to be industrious and creative, whereas academia instills conformity and passivity. I believe the best academics are more valuable than the best businessmen, but I also believe that you'll find 10 worthwhile businessmen for every worthwhile academic. Business in general is good and necessary; but it is most emphatically not what our new Aryan nation will be all about. Business, while generally positive, as an activity is only as good for the nation as the laws and the culture force it to be. For example, if the laws are set up to effect the melding of Mexico and the U.S., then certain types of businesses face the dilemma of hiring illegals or going out of business. That is plain fact. We can blame business for hiring illegals, but if economics forces it to, our blaming business is foolish. We must blame the people who created the legal/media/cultural milieu in which business must do business. We must always attack the disease, not the symptom. It is a jewish meme that the average business is more powerful and corrupt than the average government bureaucracy. The truth is the opposite, and that is why you will never see the government described as greedy, only corporations.

Business has to run as hard as it can just to stay in place - many of the top 100 companies don't even exist a decade later. The idea that corporations control everything is a jewish meme meant to distract attention from the jews who actually do control everything. Capitalism, meaning the market, forces people to compete and improve; it is the opposite of academic stagnation, where getting ahead depends on the approval of someone whose opinion is generally worthless. The engine of the market must be housed in the chassis of a racial and moral system, the corollary to Hitler's truth that the state exists to preserve the race. Properly housed and constrained, business will be a powerful engine in improving the lot of everyone. The concept that classes are inherently at odds is false. The classes may segregate naturally, but that is fine. As long as they perceive themselves as fundamentally belonging to a race and nation, and as long as there is room in the nation for talented lower class to advance, the system will function as smoothly as can be expected.

If you keep the taxes low, and you get rid of the ubiquitous equality lies infesting public education and jew-produced media, then you allow the provident to save and advance materially. That is the best thing that government can do for the poor, and the studies show that if you work, marry, and stay sober you're not going to be poor for long.

The government's job is not to make things good by positive action (beyond killing enemies) it is to stay small. The Aryan people are not jungle savages or superstitious jews - they really don't need much leadership in ordinary White society. Their unique ability to create order and self-police, after all, is what gave plausibility to the Great Lie of human equality, which is nothing but an imaginative extension of race-specific capacity from White to colored.

The natural tendency of any bureacracy, even the best, is to expand. That is a fact that comes from our nature, and it means we're in for an eternal struggle, which each generation must fight. It cannot be solved by killing or segregating people, the way the racial problem can. It is different in kind from the jewish problem, for which there is one and eternal solution.

America used to be a place with no federal taxes. As late as the fifties, those taxes were no more than 2%. In that time, a white man could support his family with his wages as a waiter. Today that is not possible. Today, White families work two jobs, can't save money, and are dead tired. All of which conduces to political slavery, leaving aside the ratchet effects of a media/banking system promoting consumerism through easy credit.

If the government can only "help" people by taking money from others, then government isn't very useful. Hitler may have done some things right, but the libertarians make valid points about his interfering with small business. I haven't seen their points rebutted. Of course, that is in no way to suggest that libertarians aren't completely wrong about the big picture, as they see nothing higher than the individual, which paradoxically leads to the destruction of the only race that has ever actually individuated.

VNN advocates the White individual in the White context. On this point we are unequivocal and dictatorial. In our nation, you will not be allowed to disagree with us on jews or race. That simple. Or, put differently, you may disagree with us on jews and race, but you will have no power, and even if you had, you'd find it exceedingly difficult to put your plans into operation once our work was complete.

Beneath the national, nay, global racial level lie workaday politics. As said above, the market solution is best, provided it is restrained. At the same time we would need to flip da scrip on our national public school system, just as the German camps were taken over by jews after Jews' War II. Our Aryanized public school system legitimately would be describable as educational. It would build character and instill genuine knowledge, rather than teaching lies and adjusting attitudes, as it does today.

It would overtly declare race and racial values as Higher than money accumulation and imbecilic self-expression. With media backing, the system would lean less on legal restrictions than on social pressure. Respect for true learning and earned individuality would return, as the wigger received no promotion, and the slut depreciation. This really is all it would take, for 99.9% of the population.

In time, depending on the capacity of the people, political power could devolve. The period of dictatorship would require immense personal character and self-control on the part of the leaders not to lead to a self-perpetuating class of arrogant overlords, which itself would require bloody revolution to displace. (Note that even were this the case, the elimination of the jewish problem and the subsidiary racial problem were worth this and a thousand times worse. There is quite literally nothing worse than living in a nation controlled by jews. It is worth any cost to end this Jewish Tyranny.)

I say again that many of the great difficulties we'd face in an all-White society cannot be overcome, but are struggles that each generation must deal with. I deal with these struggles little because they are 100x less important than teaching people the name of the Tyrant and advocating his deposing.

Among Whites in a White society, there will remain the standing desire to use government to do things it cannot do; and no amount of evidence will sway those who believe otherwise, as government is always a gang to the wise, and a God to the fools. Freemen must perceive themselves, then defend themselves, even against other whites. That's how it is. I can suggest to other white men, but the battle in their time is theirs. Ours is to realize Ourselves anew, and follow through getting rid of the jew.
 
Old November 19th, 2005 #16
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I disagree with almost everything Herr Linder has said.
Indeed i find this libertarian worldview downright dangerous for ns.First of all: the market doesnt regulate itself.If left alone the market will not produce "riches" for the entire Volk.
The rich would be getting richer and the poor will be getting poorer.Even in all-white countries.
If the market were so perfect things like the Communist and the National Socialist movement would never have existed.These movements did exist as every socialist movement because of the very real exploitation of the working masses by the capitalist swine.And its neither the "all perfect" market nor the "low taxes" which have brought riches to the masses,but it was socialist reforms proposed by the state and/or the unions.Without the pressure from the working masses on the economy for socialists reforms,today we would still have 10 year old children working 12 hours a day.
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Frankly Bill, National Socialism is just affirmative action for whites who think they can't compete on an equal footing with the Jew (probably true).

Making it out to be some sort of an anti-egalitarian doctrine is a joke.
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This time they will get the full picture, including the foundation in race that was assumed, but not made as explicit as necessary - the true weak point that allowed jewish entry, rather than capitalist exploitation.
This is the only point where I can see you disagreeing with me (although I disagree with you on some points).

If you will look at my original post, I used the plural "points", and what I was trying to show was not so much that the Jews exploited the problem (and exacerbated it) but that the problem existed, and that a solution had to be provided for that problem. Regardless of the Jews, the problem existed and needed to be solved. Do you understand?
 
Old November 19th, 2005 #19
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I disagree with almost everything Herr Linder has said.
Indeed i find this libertarian worldview downright dangerous for ns.First of all: the market doesnt regulate itself.If left alone the market will not produce "riches" for the entire Volk.
The rich would be getting richer and the poor will be getting poorer.Even in all-white countries.
If the market were so perfect things like the Communist and the National Socialist movement would never have existed.These movements did exist as every socialist movement because of the very real exploitation of the working masses by the capitalist swine.And its neither the "all perfect" market nor the "low taxes" which have brought riches to the masses,but it was socialist reforms proposed by the state and/or the unions.Without the pressure from the working masses on the economy for socialists reforms,today we would still have 10 year old children working 12 hours a day.
I find much more to agree with here.
 
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This is the only point where I can see you disagreeing with me (although I disagree with you on some points).

If you will look at my original post, I used the plural "points", and what I was trying to show was not so much that the Jews exploited the problem (and exacerbated it) but that the problem existed, and that a solution had to be provided for that problem. Regardless of the Jews, the problem existed and needed to be solved. Do you understand?
You know my solution for jews, so I think the back story is academic once that problems is dealt with.

The weak points re jews I take to be the different circumstances of the times. Probably few of the Founders dealt with jews much. They may have been aware from books of the nature of the jew, but living in a rural world with very few jews about, they no doubt little considered the danger. Further, this was an era before mass media, and before big-time centralized banking. The jews simply didn't have the numbers or leverage to create problems making them worthy of special attention.
 
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