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Old May 10th, 2004 #21
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Dr A comments on the OT. I have long thought that Christianity produced in its prime a golden mean because it retained the OT warrior-tribal ethos for the out-group and yet promulgated ingroup benevolence. I think a healthy successful ethnic group or race needs both. What in my opinion has occured is the threads of in-group benevolence have been perverted into a new cloth of deception which equates all mankind as one not merely in some abstract sense but in the material sense.

Hand in hand with this spiritual decadence goes the reconditioning of the mind via massmedia porn promoting indiscriminate sexual behavior, as a solvent for other social distinctions. ie, no male or female, no racial divisions, no divisions by marriage or caste or anything-- all just one big disgusting social orgy leading to an atomized human economic particles made up of very similar size ball bearings. ie, mass homogenization or the end of ethnic diversity and religious and national difference. that is where the evident social engineering seems to be aimed.
 
Old May 10th, 2004 #22
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[QUOTE=Hallstatt]........
What I have been saying in these posts is that I think it is a bigger task to adapt degenerate Christianity to race than to build a new religion. .../QUOTE]

aye that is the question.

I disagree and think that with enough intellectual manpower, and enough material force applied in the right places, it would be faster to use Christianity. However, you are welcome to explore your idea and I consider that worthwhile. Let many experiments bloom.

My idea is that what our ancestors did with Christianity is something like what Antiochus did when he put a statute of Zeus in the Temple. He did not raze the Temple as the Babylonians did. That was easy for the Jews to overcome. They invented Talmudism. But when they rebuilt the Temple, and then had Talmudism plus the Temple, and then Antiochus suppressed Talmudism and put a statute of Zeus INSIDE THE TEMPLE-- that was subversive of EVERYTHING they had evolved to keep the idea of zion together. And in fact many Jews were "hellenized" and thier Jew identity lost. The Talmud after Christ identifies Him in that vein, as a Hellenizer and thus an Enemy of Jew identity.

And one can easily imagine how a statute of Zeus Olympios would be a more compelling Godhead than tribal Yahweh. And Antiochus injected Zeus like a virus right into the Holy of Holies, the heartchamber of the Jew. A meme that they greatly feared and still do, as they rebel against it ritually every Channukah. Isnt it significant Channukah was not a holiday until AFTER Jesus incident and the destruction of the Temple? I think they thought that in the long term, Zeus inside the Temple was more of a threat to Jewry than destruction of the Temple itself.

So I suggest that when Constantine adopted Christianity-- he did it again. He accepted "Christianity" as a type of new spiritual Temple; and injected Roman pagan ritual, hierarchy, symbol and content into the new carrier medium, which, once repeated by Charlemagne, fused a new thing out of the squabbling tribes-- Christendom, a proxy for Europa.
 
Old May 10th, 2004 #23
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[QUOTE=Antiochus Epiphanes]...I disagree and think that with enough intellectual manpower, and enough material force applied in the right places, it would be faster to use Christianity. However, you are welcome to explore your idea and I consider that worthwhile. Let many experiments bloom."

Christianity is dying in the West, due mainly to its universalism. Our race is tied to Christianity like conjoined twins. If we don’t separate ourselves from Christianity we will die. If we do separate ourselves we may die anyway. A difficult but clear choice--we have to try to save ourselves.

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Old May 11th, 2004 #24
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When something ceases to function as designed, there are three solutions.
1.) Repair 2.) Replacement 3.) Learn to do without.
 
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When something ceases to function as designed, there are three solutions.
1.) Repair 2.) Replacement 3.) Learn to do without.
“Learning to do without” seems to work fairly well until about age 35 when many people seek to find a religious outlook on life. Carl Jung found this to be true in his work. We may do without an approach to Godhood but we might feel disintegrated, or life seems not full or not total enough, and this can make us feel almost unwell.

Then there is the racial social bonding advantages etc. of religion, which we have been discussing here.
 
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[Christianity is dying in the West, due mainly to its universalism. Our race is tied to Christianity like conjoined twins. If we don’t separate ourselves from Christianity we will die. If we do separate ourselves we may die anyway. A difficult but clear choice--we have to try to save ourselves.
This is an issue I thought about for a long time. But for me it was resolved by the realisation that Christianity wasn't the problem, but rather what so much of Christianity had become. I mean in the past Christianity was a great force for good, despite whatever failures of men, but what happened?

I mean, after I became a Christian, it seemed like one Christian denomination after another has capitulated to the Jews, sodomites, and/or multiculturalists. So I was left with either being a solitary believer with no church, or joining a church and being constantly irritated by liberalism or apostasy. I ended up in the Orthodox Church mainly because they resist change and have been least corrupted by the things which have compromised other denominations.

The point is that Christians must reclaim the churches from the Judaizers, liberals, and sodomites. We simply must stop with the constant retreat that essentially allows the enemies of good to takeover our institutions. We can't keep running or quitting in disgust, but rather we have to stand up against these destroyers.

I look at the Catholic church as a perfect example of the reluctance to confront evil. It seems like the sodomites have become intrenched in the clergy and been protected from criminal action for decades, but how did that happen? If I had been a Catholic priest and even suspected that another priest was involved in sexual abuse, I would have went to my bishop, and if he didn't act, confronted the pervert personally.

Christianity needs more men like St. Nicholas. When he came up against a heretic, he kicked his ass.

We need also to remember the great men of the Church who didn't cringe in fear of being politically incorrect, but denounced the Jews and their wicked chicanery in explicit terms.

This is the crisis in Christianity: not enough men willing to denounce evil when and where it occurs, not enough men to stand up against the enemies of our faith. Christianity fails only when men fail.
 
Old May 11th, 2004 #27
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sodomites became entrenched after Vat 2 which marks a major change in Catholic attitudes towards modernism the intellectual spawn of Jewry. Not suprsingly Jews have done nothing but gain ground on Rome since then. It culminated in the humiliating apology of Karol at Yad Vashem. Then the Jewish reward for that was spit in the face in the form of endless media coverage of the abuse scandals. Somehow, the general attitudes towards homos went up during the pervert abuse scandal. How that happened I dont know.

About the only bright point was when a White nazi inmate stomped the guts out of faggot priest Geoghan and sent him to his hellish reward in oblivion.

And in fact that bright point marks how some of these problems will be solved. Sooner or later, the subversion of Christian churches by Jews and Jewdaizers will have to be dealt with by a widespread organized application of force. When we have the organization and will to do it, and it is complete, then we will have earned our patrimony. Until then "we" deserve the contempt of the pagan for our weakness, ineffectuality, and inaction.

I point to Charlemagne for a reason. That is how we need to deal with the Jewdaizers and Jews.
 
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Hallstadt (sp?), well past 35. Maybe some of us are later coming around to honest spirituality. By that I mean I had disgarded christianity early on. Then you search for "the meaning of life". Start by studying religions that have passed. Which is the oldest? All familiar avenues. Then you realize that without YOU being here to witness, none of it exists! I have left it there feeling no need to invent a belief system. We have much to learn that religion gets in the way of. You claim religion is necessary for group cohesion, as does A.E. whom you are at odds with. How about the group cohesion of those who share in the search for truth?
 
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... How about the group cohesion of those who share in the search for truth?
I think the search for truth takes us to religion, but a religion that respects and applies modern science, also a religion that sees that science cannot supply all things. Science lacks a place to go, it can explain religion but it can’t draw on the power of religion.

I think that science, philosophy, religion, art and even mysticism do not have to contradict one another, combined they create a fuller and healthier world.
 
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This is an issue I thought about for a long time....in the past Christianity was a great force for good, despite whatever failures of men, but what happened?....Christianity fails only when men fail.
I’m sorry about all the people who have devoted their lives to Christianity, and those who have found personal salvation in their lives with help from this religion. However, if they cannot also see that this religion is not helping them in the long run---and hurting the lives of their grandchildren---and is bringing the race and culture down, then it must be just that---sad, and perhaps even tragic. We cannot let this religion destroy our future just because good men are trapped by it.

The global capitalists are doing even more damage to our race than the Christians (who allowed them in the first place) but that’s another thread.

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Old May 11th, 2004 #31
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Sounds like most on this thread believe there is and will always be a need for a religion. I personally have no such need, and have always been dubious of this notion, not unsympathetic to Marx's "opium of the masses" comment. Of course, what the cunning Marx omitted was that Marxism is the opium of the intellectuals. But I'll reserve further comment on this initial question until I've read the book whose review I linked, Darwin's Cathedral, which apparently argues that there is an evolutionary case for religions.

If that view is correct, turning to the reform vs. make anew issue, and being indifferent myself, my only concern is to avoid a Hobbesian war of all against all, which nobody wins, save the kike, who, as it took a slope to say out loud, fights only "by proxy." Obviously it is not so much a matter of the total number of White Christians as the depth of conviction. I know lots of people who go to Church for social hour. On the other hand there are those in Church (and on the streets) who talk to the Father of Jesus, and quite a few of those are convinced He is talking back to them! It seems to me that the proportions in these categories (however they might be estimated) would indicate how radical a solution might be feasible.
 
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... my only concern is to avoid a Hobbesian war of all against all, which nobody wins, save the kike, who, as it took a slope to say out loud, fights only "by proxy."...
No internecine war. Remember, I’m advocating the legal way, building and bonding the healthy new alongside the crumbling old, for the long term...This is why I was reluctant to join the forum Christian battles.

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“Sometime in the future” the racialists, and the new religion, will be stronger as well; it makes no sense to advocate action now---assuming dying Christianity can be brought to life. The Inquisition types are in the dangerous small minority. The new civil war would more likely be between competing races.

Vertical Expulsion Now! is beyond our present power. Politics is about over for us. We have to regroup into bonded religious groups to last through the coming tough times. Immature strategy is indeed the cause of grief.

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Old May 12th, 2004 #34
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I think one of the main reasons science can't explain all things is BECAUSE religious beliefs clash with inquiry. We are using outdated tools to solve a complex riddle. Computers are numbers crunchers. I don't think we have sufficient data to crunch yet. Stop testifying about seeing smoke and start looking for the fire. Many avenues to the future are not being explored because of the mental clash in people's minds between what they have been told, and what they see.
 
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I think one of the main reasons science can't explain all things is BECAUSE religious beliefs clash with inquiry. We are using outdated tools to solve a complex riddle. Computers are numbers crunchers. I don't think we have sufficient data to crunch yet. Stop testifying about seeing smoke and start looking for the fire. Many avenues to the future are not being explored because of the mental clash in people's minds between what they have been told, and what they see.
Fascism grew during the intellectual realization of “the death of God’ and usually denied transcendental values; history and biology provided it’s main foundation.

The White Temple brings Godhood back, attached to history and evolution, a new theology for our time, exactly what our time needs.

Religion brings the deep appeal of emotions. Rational thinking is accessible only to a few and invites speculation and disagreement; feelings can be shared by all.

Although science is a great Western tool, and a favorite choice of ours, the “truth” may not be fully accessible through science.
 
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If Asscrack convened an Inquisition, he should be the first one to go on the rack for his abject service of the Christ killing Jews and his shameless posing as a Christian and prayer meetings at work and all that crap. He's a cryptoJew and Judaizer of the first rank. Any idiot evangelicals reading this should consider what their poster boy has done to stop all the abortions. Zilch. Promises, no delivery, only suckassing it to the Jews with his rotten patriot act stuff. Oy vey the spooked the porn industry by doing one or two federal obscenity prosecutions and all your Judeo-Christlings said amen! and opened their pockets to the republicunt party.

The fact is most of what you guys complain about comes not from "Christianity" as a whole but from various sectors of Protestantism. Most of us here probably grew up Protestant including myself and I dont have anything against Protestants personally except that they remain in the thrall of a religious creed which is a degenerate offshoot of the main branch and has historically been the biggest blessing of the past 500 years for Jews allowing them to work their schemes to great effect in Europe through the Thirty years war in Germany and the whole Cromwell incident in Britain.

Your social engineering mischief, from slavery abolitionism, to suffrage for women, to "civil rights" for negroes, to modern day "immigrant worker relief efforts" have been chiefly planned and executed by various spawn of the Puritan fanatics. Quakers especially but also to some extent Presbyterians, Congregationalists, Reformed, Unitarians, Methodists. Your other somewhat closer-to-Catholicism Prots have recently jumped into the fray full force such as Lutherans and Anglicans. As of late even the Catholics rushing to join the social justice pissing and moaning. Although I believe this digression is temporary. Your Orthodox churches have generally remained stalwart against participation in utopian social schemes even where some of there members have not.

On the other hand, Jew-bootlicking Zionist crap and drum-banging has come from the whole Pat Robertson evanglical crowd which is indeed the growing aspect of Protestantism.

Take out the evagelical Jewservice and the social scheming of the Puritan's heirs, and Christianity looks far less destructive.

It amazes me that people are so willing to dismiss Christianity as a whole when the past 2000 years of European folk fighting the Jewish mischief have involved Christian belief and practice intimately. Geo Santayana's words come to mind. There's a long history of Jew-presence and Jew-fighting that is largely ignored by "the movement" for fear of being called a Christling. I think however there's much to be learned and even a complete total atheist should be familiar with the history of our forefathers efforts to control or eraditcate the Jew bacillus. You cant begin to understand that without some understanding of the positive role Christianity served in European society for a very long time.

example and it should be not a difficult one for some of our resident jewexperts. Who decreed Jews had to wear the badge?
 
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I think I should make it clear here, I am a realist, I know that war never goes away, and that the warrior ethos is the best method ever invented to keep us from degenerating---the warrior ethos is central to The White Temple.

But the warrior ethos must be attached to race and religion if it is to have staying power, and we do not have this now. Racialism has little power today. We all know what our own people think of racists.

Democratic politics is over for us because we have all but lost the numbers game, we will be a minority race in only a few years, and we will have no control over our governments, other races will---they already do.

If we try to act out now we will be destroyed. So we have to admit our grave situation and retreat and regroup. But in our retreat we will be building the warrior traits of courage, heroism and honor, and developing a new religion for the centuries ahead.

I know that ideas have consequences when the people who hold them gain enough power to bring the ideas forward to society, but we are not there now, far from it. We have to build the values, legally, first, for the future.
 
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Thanks for even cosidering my position. I think you may have made too little of my comment about science using out-dated tools. Religion typically is a brake on scientific investigation, if no other way than restricting those investigations to those deemed "official" by the church. We need new tools to deal with a laboratory that now includes DNA, and all it's implications.
As for the warrior ethos, I think the existence of this very board is proof enough that there are still those who will do the killing and dying as needed for our race.
 
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