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Yeah, anything any Jew has ever done is all part of the master plan.
Well White Nobility, there is a group for you in here after all, and that's the hardcore conspiracy theorists. It makes no difference if you don't have any proof of your theories in that group, all you need is to make sure to say the Jews are behind everything, up to and including their enemies. The "proof" being that they benefit from everything that happens. Anyone who disagrees is a Jew lackey. Sound good to you? |
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The Jews created two religions: one for their people, teaching them to be economic predators, and one for our people, teaching us to be economic prey. Then they flooded into Europe, became moneylenders, accumulated massive economic power from their artifically created monopoly, and then used their power to destroy the kingdoms of Europe, just like their scriptures told them to do. They are very crafty, I will give them that much. Quote:
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The original Christian Jews were in fact Jewish heretics at odds with the Temple followers. The conflicts you see between factions of Jews in history have often been real. However, the fact that they end up ensnaring so many whites on both sides(at least in more recent conflicts such as liberal vs. conservative) is reason enough for expelling them. Their heavily dualistic mindset makes them predisposed to creating such conflicts, and this wrecks the inner harmony of any society.
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The reason most people can't see it is because they either: 1) Can't admit it to themselves, or 2) They can't accept that the Jews could actually be craftier than they can even imagine. The first is based on fear, and the second is based on arrogance. The Jews have a history tracing back to Mesopotamia, where moneylending was known to have been practiced, so they have a head start on us of thousands of years. That is why they have been able to pull such audacious schemes like their spiritual and economic shepherd/sheep, predator/prey concotions, with Christianity being the most ingenious. They have simply had a longer store of accumulated knowledge from which to draw to craft their schemes, but by slowly uncovering their machinations, we are able to break their grip on us and form schemes of our own. Knowledge is power. As our knowledge begins to approach the accumulated knowledge of the Jews, which they happened to be in position to acquire due to their historical and geographical location, then we will slowly gain ground on them, and we will eventually overtake them as masters of this planet. It's not going to happen ovenight, because it takes a long time to close the gap of thousands of years of accumulated civilizational knowledge, but over time we will slowly be able to match, and hopefully, outcompete them. Studying the history of money and finance in the West, and learning to use that power for our advantage is one step in the process. |
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Coincidentally, in the Essene (original "Christian") Dead Sea Scroll scriptures, they make repeated references to their "Teacher of Righteousness", which many scholars take to be the real figure that the mythical "Christ" was based on. But, what's interesting is that the Essenes also made repeated references to a "Spouter of Lies" that a number of scholars believe to actually have been Saul of Tarsus, the fake convert who was perverting the religion for his own agenda. Thanks to Nietzsche and others like Marcus Eli Ravage, we now have a pretty good idea why the Liar Saul was perverting the religion... to make it more appealing to the gentiles to facilitate his efforts to destroy the Roman Empire, the mortal enemy of Judea at the time. However, the conscious design of the economic booby-traps built into the religion has never, to my knowledge, been brought to light until now. Quote:
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That was discussed on this forum and on VNN long before you arrived. I mistakenly assumed you were up to speed on this topic. |
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So, since you know what has been discussed on this forum "long before I arrived," what was your original user name? Tell us who you were, I am sure the others here would be interested in hearing it. Were you banned then? You're misunderstanding me, which is kind of remarkable as I have repeatedly stated exactly what I think of Christianity. Where have I said I liked Paul's work? Nowhere. Now drop the arrogance. "I mistakenly assumed..." Are you going to behave like that any time your theories don't meet with unanimous approval? Or is it simply that this time, it is about something you believe is a real gem, which you very much want to be recognized for? You are dropping many names, claiming their support. Alex Linder, you say; but Alex Linder has never claimed that Paul would secretly have been working for the rabbis. He was a Jew who should not have been wandering around talking to Romans, true, but you are being dishonest when you claim Linder's support for your conspiracy theory. Same when you claim Nietzsche is on your side here. Nietzsche hated Christianity and its Jewish flavor, but he never said it was a secret plan invented by the rabbis to hurt Europeans. (And if he had, he would have been wrong. He is no god, any more than Hitler or Linder or anyone else.) In fact, since he says it has a "Jewish flavor", that contradicts your theory that they created a religion very different from their own in order to hurt us. It is good though that you are appreciative of the work of those WNs who are bigger than yourself. Be humble before their work and listen to them. Don't simply try to make it sound like they support your theories. We all hate Jews, whether it be Paul or any other, but that doesn't have to mean we think they're all in a big, gigantic conspiracy against us. You have still failed to produce evidence that Paul would be an agent of the rabbis. Of course, since there is no such evidence, you cannot produce it. You just say "How convenient!" and present that as proof. By that logic, we would imagine the IRA to be the tool of the British government, since their bloody bombings hurt the independence cause and made people rally around the govt. Do you admit you have no evidence that Paul was a secret Judaist agent? If not, present it. Do you realize that the Bible, where the nasty stuff we rightfully condemn is found, was compiled centuries after Paul's death? He had no way of knowing whether people would stick to the Master Plan's All-Important Ban on Moneylending. In fact, how do you know he and the other Jewish original Christians were the ones who invented that rule? That's right, you don't know. The sooner you realize you don't know, the better. Do you realize that the Jews are genetically programmed to be nationalist, like all races? That their main motivation is not religion, but behavior genes? Like that experiment with the infants shows clearly? You have avoided that now, but I would like to hear if you will admit it. And why should it be so bad that it's a genetic thing? Do you need them to be motivated by religion only, not genetics? There have been several Jews who have stepped forward and spoken out against Jewish influence in the West. Have you read any of them? There is for example Israel Shamir. While they have revealed many things that Jews discuss in private, making powerful enemies for themselves, none of them has said anything about Christianity secretly being a Judaist weapon, or about Paul being a secret Judaist agent. Since they confirm everything else we WNs say, what does that tell you? You still fail to show how much of the banking world is in Jewish hands, and how their influence is hurting us. That is because you don't know. I am saying you have no idea how much of Western banking is run by Jews. Will you admit that? None of us here has that kind of information. Since you like the big names in White Nationalism (like I do -- like we all do), you should listen to Dr. Pierce when he says that since we cannot be sure of this matter, it's best to shut up about it and talk about the things we do know. That's the scientific spirit that you find in all of Dr. Pierce's work. No wild assumptions. Always check the facts. Last edited by _DC_; July 28th, 2005 at 03:19 PM. |
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Strange how you mouth Nietzscheisms like "slave morality", but you aren't even familiar with what he had to say about Jew Saul. Quote:
Marcus Eli Ravage was a Jew, as well as the biographer of the Rothschilds, the Jewish bankers. He wrote the following articles on this very topic: http://www.geocities.com/alabasters_...real_case.html http://www.geocities.com/alabasters_...ommissary.html Quote:
http://www.creativityohio.com/wmb/credo43.html When I sent Pierce copies of the Ravage articles about 10 years ago, the response I received was: "We are aware of this. Perhaps you will join us here at the National Alliance?" Another Pierce associate, Kevin Alfred Strom, is the keeper of the Revilo P. Oliver archive. In his book, "Reflections on the Christ Myth", Oliver had this to say: Quote:
It's from here: http://www.revilo-oliver.com/rpo/Reflections.html So, let's see... that's Nietzsche, Ravage, Klassen, Oliver, and pretty likely, Pierce and Strom. That's pretty good company I'd say. But, let's face it... by this point your ego is so involved in the need to be "right" and demand "proof", that you wouldn't admit this theory was likely if Jew Saul came back from the dead and told you so to your face, now would you? |
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_DC_, why do you suppose one of the very first thuings to occur during the U.S. invasion of Iraq was the looting of museums? The term "Babylonian captivity" is a clue. The jews were not captives, is my guess. And since those artifacts, if they were ever deciphered accurately, would reveal that twisting of history, they had to dissappear. A group thousands of years old has the hindsight to erase evidence that conflicts with their carefully installed version of persecution. They have twisted working in camps to a world-wide extortion scam, for crying out loud. During our lifetime. While we were watching.
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If people want to believe Paul was some kind of secret agent with a mission for World Jewry I could care less. At least they recognize the destructive effects of Christianity.
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Can't take criticism, this one. Characteristic of the fanatic conspiracy theorist. I have asked you to try to keep it cool, but fair enough. Quote:
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Oh, that he doesn't like Christianity, that much should be obvious. I don't either. But when you made that your "proof" that he would believe your conspiracy theory -- well now, that's not proof at all, and you know it. Quote:
Produce proof Paul was an agent of the rabbis. Your consistent repetition of this "how convenient" routine is getting old. It seems you should have spent less time saving Nietzsche quotes and more time looking for actual evidence. Do you know the difference between evidence and circumstancial evidence? I'm afraid not a single one of those Nietzsche quotes supports your claim, that he would have thought Paul was an agent of the rabbis. He just states Paul wanted a "worldwide conflagration." That sounds like a religious zealot, yes. Says nothing about being a rabbi agent. Shall we go through them one by one? You got pissed earlier because I didn't treat your Bible quotes separately. So here we go: Quote:
I ask again the question you are avoiding: do you accept the fact that all races are genetically programmed to nationalism? In short, do you accept the basic premise of Nationalism? Are you a Nationalist at all? Your answer to the question above will determine that. Quote:
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Seeing as you consistently refuse to answer difficult questions, I don't expect you to answer this one either. Quote:
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How about Christianity being the secret agent of the Huns? "All you need to ask is 'Who Benefits'?" Maybe the Great Conspiracy of the Huns had started this early, and they paid Paul to do their dirty work. Who benefits? Who benefits? Quote:
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In that case, the Jewish rabbis sure would have many secret plans. Don't you think? Any time someone lies, the Jews are behind it? Quote:
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You threw forth any quote you could find where Nietzsche claims the first Christians hated Rome and wanted to bring it down. Not a single one of those quotes say they would bring down Rome because the rabbis ordered them to. In fact, Nietzsche contradicts you by claiming the reason for their attack was hatred of Rome, not orders. Why wouldn't a true Christian be able to hate Rome? Could only the adherents of Judaism, not other religions, hate Rome? Quote:
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Your quote there contradicts your false allegation. It only says Pierce was "aware" of what someone else had written. He was also aware of what the New York Times wrote, but that doesn't mean he held the same opinions as the editors at the New York Times. Does it? If he had believed in any of your conspiracy theories, don't you think he would have said so? So you have been nurturing that email from him all these years, thinking that he secretly must have agreed with you, even though he never brought it up in a single ADV broadcast.... How it must have warmed your heart. So, once again, you failed to find support among any of the Big Names when you emailed Pierce. Not that it matters for our discussion here. The question is still: do you have any evidence Paul was an agent of the rabbis? What other individuals think or don't think is not evidence. So far, the only thing you got is that Pierce, Linder and Nietzsche don't like Christianity, or its founders. Sorry, not proof at all. I don't like Christianity or its founders either, most of us don't, but that's not proof that we think the Christian Jews were agents of Judaism. I wonder how it is you can't see the difference between disliking Christianity, and believing it to be a conspiracy. Quote:
1. What someone else says, is not proof Pierce said it. Right? 2. Someone else's speculation doesn't in any way constitute as evidence your own speculation would be the truth. 3. That Oliver passage has to be the most stupid thing I have ever read by Oliver. Christianity must obviously have required ampled resources? For what, hiding in the catacombs? Being persecuted and thrown to the lions? What exactly were those supposed resources used for -- polish for the catacomb floors? Christianity was a failure for a long time. It took much effort, and an emperor's sudden decision to use it as a tool for unity, for it to succeed. Yes, a tool for unity. It was believed that having many religions was making the Roman Empire weak, so Christianity was chosen to unite the peoples of the Empire to make it stronger. How does that fit into your conspiracy theory? Quote:
LOL Dear, someone dislikes Christianity, you immediately consider him to agree with any and all conspiracy theories regarding Christianity. Way to go. Btw, why didn't you include Alex Linder in that list, like you first did? Is it because he's the only one of them who is actually here, so you don't dare speculate about his opinions? I ask again if you have a single Linder quote supporting your theory that Paul was an agent of the rabbis. Not that it would count as support for your conspiracy theory, of course. Only proof will do. The only thing you got right now is that Christianity is bad for us. "Who benefits?" If a comet would hit earth, that would be bad for us too. Maybe that automatically would make the comet an agent of International Jewry. Quote:
If you don't have any more control of your emotions than that, then I suppose you're not gonna be staying here for long. At VNNF all your pet theories will meet resistance. If you get upset as soon as that happens, you're showing the prime characteristic of a short-timer. Last edited by _DC_; July 29th, 2005 at 08:04 AM. |
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Me, I care if people use sane arguments for criticizing Jews, or wacky conspiracy theories. The difference is between us standing a chance and being a laughing stock forever. Hmm, maybe we should ask White Nobility about planes run by remote control, and al Qaeda being a Mossad operation. Perhaps he would have some interesting opinions on that. The "Qui Bono" crowd usually do. |
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Of course I care that SERIOUS people realize the REALITY of the Jewish problem in our society rather than creating some X-Files-type of fantasy about a planned, organized, cabalistic operation. However, there are too many nuts in most movement circles to try to convert them all. I believe that we serious people must only have contact with the "movement" in order to fish out the serious, intelligent people. Otherwise real White Nationalism must grow up totally apart from that which has existed for about 50 years now. Some would claim that we "all have the same goal"; the usual cry of the "unity" mongers. That may very well be true in some cases, but the difference between us and them is that we ACTUALLY intend to reach those goals.
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It's not a "theory"... it's all right there in the Bible, written by the Jews.
They told their people to go to all the nations of the earth, lend money to them, subjugate them, and destroy their kingdoms. And that is exactly what they did. It's not a theory, it's reality. It already happened. As for whether or not Paul was an "agent of the rabbis", you seem to be overlooking the fact that he was a rabbi. He was just a rabbi with a bunch of intentionally suicidal, enslaving advice for us white goyim, and we have been laboring under it ever since. As for "proof" of something that happened 2000 years ago... well, I just happen to have a signed confession from Saul of Tarsus right here in my back pocket... |
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What about the Jew Marcus Eli Ravage? I suppose your refusal to read his articles is easier than admitting you don't know what you're talking about. Give these a read whenever you are ready to eat some crow: http://www.regmeister.net/ravage.htm http://www.regmeister.net/ravage2.htm |
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After your momentous failure to find any proof in Nietzsche's writings of your conspiracy theory, despite dregging up a great number of anti-Xtian quotes by him, and after failing to show anything by Pierce that would support your claim he believed in your theory, and after failing to show a single quote by Linder that would support the same, and after failing to show a shred of evidence that Paul would be a rabbi agent, once again.... ....That little snarl was the only thing you could come up with? I am telling you, I was laughing out loud when I saw it. How pathetic. That made my day. Okay, suppose Jew Ravage is insane enough to believe that Paul would be a rabbi agent. (Which he can't know, but suppose he would believe it.) That's one. Very good, White N, very good! You managed to find one! What about Israel Shamir? What about Freedman? If it were true, shouldn't all Jewish critics have said it? So that's your "proof". No wonder normal WNs never write about this question, because it's taken out of the blue. You wrote in your first posts that you couldn't understand why Wns didn't talk about this conspiracy, something like that. Geee, I don't know. Could it be because it doesn't exist? Could that be why we're not bothering with it? Did that ever occur to you? Did you really think you had managed to dig up something important? |
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LOL Your posts are becoming shorter and whinier.
I ask again: why don't the other Jewish critics of Jews mention this supposed conspiracy? Why is there only one who makes that claim? Well, Oliver, congrats, you managed to find someone who thinks like you do. But now you're contradicting yourself, again, when you're suggesting my claim WNs don't discuss the question is invalid, whereas your claim that WNs don't discuss the question is apparently valid. You need to be reminded of your own words? Here you go: Quote:
So apparently it's okay for you to say WNs don't discuss it much. But not okay for me to say so? I notice that you are still incapable of replying to my long post where I tear to shreds your desperate claim that Nietzsche would believe in your conspiracy theory. Instead you are now resorting to short posts containing little cute insults and whatever else you can come up with to fill the void where you should be using arguments instead. Now, "wriggler", I ask again: do you have any proof that Paul was an agent of the rabbis? Are you gonna say "But it's so conveeenient!" again? |
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That's all you got? Hell, even if I hadn't known who he were before, I would have learned when I read The Fame which gives a quite good description of what he was about.
I repeat: I notice that you are still incapable of replying to my long post where I tear to shreds your desperate claim that Nietzsche would believe in your conspiracy theory. Instead you are now resorting to short posts containing little cute insults and whatever else you can come up with to fill the void where you should be using arguments instead. Now, "wriggler", I ask again: do you have any proof that Paul was an agent of the rabbis? Are you gonna say "But it's so conveeenient!" again? |
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