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Old December 24th, 2005 #81
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QUOTE=Hate Dept.]Yeah, in regards Aryan Lord's post I hate to quibble but that's not entirely correct--"der SS" didn't mean "auxilliary".

The term "auxillary" is my own explanation as the subtle linguistic difference is difficult to convey to Americans. I used this term to explain that they had a lower status and were not properly part of the SS.This implies an auxillary status. Are you saying that a Russian for instance could be a member of the SS when Himmler decreed that it was an order of German men?


It was just more of the racial hairsplitting that characterized Himmler and the Nazis. Maybe a better word would be "legions" which was used. "Der SS" was used for the French and Italian units also. Anyway Himmler bent over backwards to ensure that foreign members received the same honor and respect as German SS members.

I don`t disagree but that does not make them German or real SS.

Also don't get the foreign Waffen SS mixed up with the "Germanic SS" which was a different animal.

Degrelle and the rest of the Walloons initially weren't allowed into the W-SS, because they weren't Germanic; the Flemish however were. It wasn't until later that the Walloons were grandfathered in. Same thing goes for the French. Charlemagne had the appelation "der SS" as did its members although the vast, vast majority of them wore the runes on their collar. It may even have been made official; can't recall though I have it here somewhere. Degrelle was a great man but wasn't exactly "Germanic" just because Himmler deemed him so. They reversed themselves and it was just racial hair-splitting.

I think that "racial hair-splitting" is important.It is Germanic blood and more specifically German blood that has been the powerhouse behind Europe for centuries.May the differences long continue!

This business about Germanic ancestry going back about 200 years was originally true but may have changed later with the Waffen SS; I don't see how they could have diligently gone through all the draftees' backgrounds. Take Gotz von Berlichingen or the other high numbered German units, Frundsberg maybe, I know they had conscripts. I don't think they had time for genealogical cherry-picking.

These were ethnic German and German volunteers.I know of no reason why the entry requirements would be relaxed for them in 1943 anymore than they would be for anyone else.Even if proper vetting did not always take place no man could knowingly be made a member of the SS if he was not of pure Germanic blood.


Also don't forget the SS Polizei Division which didn't even get SS status til 1942; they were grandfathered in.

The Polizei Division were AFFILIATED to the Waffen SS which is not the same thing.They were not required to pass the strict Waffen SS entry requirments and so were not considered to be full SS men.

Robin Lumsden's OK I guess but there are far better authorities out there.

I dare say but I notice that no-one else has quoted any!
 
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That's the key right there! It is the SPIRITUAL SENSE of Christianity that is the important part just as it is the SPIRITUAL SENSE of other religions that gives them power. And regardless of the religious trappings, it is this spiritual sense that has to be felt by each person before they can even understand what religion is all about. If the Odinists can feel this spiritual level of Humanity, then they can understand what Christians or anyone else is talking about without thinking it necessary to reject what is being said unless it is something brought forth from their own tradition.

Hitler had this spiritual sense even if he rejected the outer trappings of Christianity -- how else could he have spoken to the People with such indomitable power? You don't go to heaven with a Bible or a Qur'an or a Runic stone in your hand; you go there in your spirit. Finding this Spiritual Sense, is one of the tasks of every warrior and of every man or woman in this Life Time. Woe to those who do not look for it; and pity to those who do not find it!

It is this spiritual sense that gave the Christians as well as the National Socialists much of their power. And it is for this reason that the Jews and Communists pull down, betray, ridicule and try to destroy the Religions and the Spiritual Sense in Mankind.

As xtianity is a slave religion that promotes the ignoble above the noble,the weak above the strong,the foolish above the wise I fail to see how its "spirit" could empower anyone!
 
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People are talking rubbish about religion. Christianity gave us the foundations of Western civilization and the huge achievements of high art that we commonly claim as evidence of artistic superiority!! Not to mention the Christian celebration that frames the background of Baroque and Classical music!

I am a Real Christian or "Christian Christian" as I once heard it described. God, whatever you percieve him to be, is the ultimate creator. The white race is the ultimate expression of human creativity.

Bullshitting about a "dead jew on a stick" will convince nobody. This is, after all, a racial not religious struggle primarily although anyone with less than half a brain can see that most Whites that we need to reach believe themselves and their culture to be "Christian", and that Christianity until relatively recently denounced homosexuality, in some cases race-mixing, supported the family, understood the role of the woman as child-bearer and allowed a system of morality to develop that enabled our people to reach the heights of creativity.

The Identity message is in part historically correct in that members of the so-called "Lost Tribe" did indeed make their way from the Near East through Central Europe and further West. So that's who us Whites are. We cannot deny 2,000 years plus of our heritage and culture just because we prefer to liven with looser, lesser morals or listen to death metal music.

Then most effective, militant and brave members of this struggle have been associated with the "Christian-Christian" Identity-school message. I site particularly Louis Beam who for me has the tactics and evolution of this struggle of ours down to a tee. And note his Christianity, his contribution to the struggle and his definition of leaderless resistance. Listen to his speeches via the Christian Guard website and you'll see he has the righteous message for all WP activists.

It is trendy to bash Christianity but God moves me to fight for my people and I find much good in traditional Christianity but unless we understand that the same forces that pervert European-American civilization are the same root causes for the collapse of Christian morality then I fear we are lost.

The bible is clear on race-mixing, homosexuality, morality and all the issues that affect us today. You may say that by turning away from the true path we now find ourselves in mortal danger.
 
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QUOTE=MW88]People are talking rubbish about religion. Christianity gave us the foundations of Western civilization and the huge achievements of high art that we commonly claim as evidence of artistic superiority!! Not to mention the Christian celebration that frames the background of Baroque and Classical music!

Xtianity gave us the spiritual decline and emasculation that we are experiencing today.It is a religion of slaves and for slaves and it promotes a slave mentality in a race that was once noble and war-like.Your religion is of jewish antecedents which your spiritual comrades always fail to address.Furthermore according to the tenets of your own religion "salvation is of the jew"[John 4:22] Now your own "saviour" said that. How does that square with a racial world outlook?
The glories of classical music are not dependant upon xtianity.In fact many of the major works of the day did in fact shock the ecclesiastical establishment.
We also have the case of Wilhelm Richard Wagner who tapped into the Ario-Germanic Racial Collective Unconscious and produced such monumental heathen works as "Der Ring des Nibelungen".
Why should Aryan civilisation have to credit an alien and jewish religion for its past glories?



I am a Real Christian or "Christian Christian" as I once heard it described. God, whatever you percieve him to be, is the ultimate creator. The white race is the ultimate expression of human creativity.

But according to your own bible the jews are the "chosen people" and israel is the "promised land",not the Aryan race.
Why do you seek validation for the Aryan race in semitic scriptures and a jewish desert tribal "god"?

Bullshitting about a "dead jew on a stick" will convince nobody. This is, after all, a racial not religious struggle primarily although anyone with less than half a brain can see that most Whites that we need to reach believe themselves and their culture to be "Christian", and that Christianity until relatively recently denounced homosexuality, in some cases race-mixing, supported the family, understood the role of the woman as child-bearer and allowed a system of morality to develop that enabled our people to reach the heights of creativity.

We do not need to "reach" anyone.I am not a democrat but a National Socialist.We simply need to manipulate the masses.We will not achieve this by preaching your jewish gospel which commands us does it not to "love one another"[I John 4:7] and there is "neither Greek nor Jew"[Colossians 3:11]. How do you expect the masses to embrace racialism when you are commending that they also embrace a jewish spirituality that places no differences between an Aryan and a semite and also commands us to "And unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer him also the other"[Luke 6:29]. A manifesto for disaster!

The Identity message is in part historically correct in that members of the so-called "Lost Tribe" did indeed make their way from the Near East through Central Europe and further West. So that's who us Whites are. We cannot deny 2,000 years plus of our heritage and culture just because we prefer to liven with looser, lesser morals or listen to death metal music.

The myth of British Israelism is a distorted misreading of the scriptures and no serious scholar attaches any veracity to the theory.In fact you yourself have stated no evidence in support of your theory that we are kikes.In fact I am appalled at your abusive suggestion.We are a proud Aryan race and we do not require the identity of an alien and parasitical race to realise our destiny.
What "lesser morals" are you referring to?

Then most effective, militant and brave members of this struggle have been associated with the "Christian-Christian" Identity-school message. I site particularly Louis Beam who for me has the tactics and evolution of this struggle of ours down to a tee. And note his Christianity, his contribution to the struggle and his definition of leaderless resistance. Listen to his speeches via the Christian Guard website and you'll see he has the righteous message for all WP activists.

Fuck his kike religion.I have the message of National Socialism and Adolf Hitler to sustain me.

It is trendy to bash Christianity but God moves me to fight for my people and I find much good in traditional Christianity but unless we understand that the same forces that pervert European-American civilization are the same root causes for the collapse of Christian morality then I fear we are lost.

Your cause is not MY cause.As far as I am concerned once we have dealt with the race problem we will deal with the religious question.The coming Imperium will not be welcoming to xtians or anyone else who worships a jewish enemy "god".

The bible is clear on race-mixing, homosexuality, morality and all the issues that affect us today. You may say that by turning away from the true path we now find ourselves in mortal danger.[/QUOTE]

Yes your bible is very "clear"!
"And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:"1 Corinthians 1:28
As I said a religion of slaves for slaves.

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Old December 24th, 2005 #85
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I don't think AL understands the extent to which modern history has deliberately falsified Christian history and to say that I'm worshipping a bunch of Jews is rather misfortunate!!

To say "Fuck" Louis Beam and his "kike" ideals, when Beam is the prime mover in so many things American is almost verging on insanity. And why does everything come down to Wagner??!!

I have no problem with National Socialism and indeed my Grandfather fought on the Eastern Front aged 18. He was a Christian and an SS man. Was there a conflict of interest? No. My grandfather recalls his comrades singing the classic hymn, "Ein fester Burg ist unser Gott" in preparation for battle. "A mighty fortress is our God". Those were the original National Socialists my friend...My grandfather took out a tank singlehandedly and did it as a Christian. Some pacifist group, those Christian NS frontfighters. Did Christianity somehow cripple them spiritually? Clearly not: indeed it sustained them in dark times.

Nowhere in my bible does it talk about the Jews being a chosen people. For you to submit that as some sort of evidence against what I'm saying is very poor indeed. I think you should read up about the differences between the House of Israel and the Jews. Therein lies many answers to your confusion. The Jews of today are racially remote from the Jews of the Bible, who are now extinct. They don’t exist any more. The Jews of today are of three kinds. There’s the Mizrahi, who are basically Arabs who took the Jewish religion for one reason or another down through the years. Then there’s the Sephardim, who are again largely of Arabic descent and who came into Spain on the heels of Muslim conquerors and were subsequently expelled by Ferdinand and Isabella in 1492, the year Columbus sailed the ocean blue. And finally there are the Jews who have caused most of the problems we have in the world today, the Ashkenazim, the "Brooklyn Yid". The Ashkenazim hail from Eastern Europe but they’re not European in origin, they’re Asian. They are actually an Armenoid people descended from a race called the Khazars, who took the Jewish religion in the seventh century AD.

I love the bit about "no scholar of any veracity" supports what you term "British israelism". Would these be the same scholars who distort European history and, in one example, claim a "holocaust" of some 6 millions Jews? I thought the whole point of Historical Revisionism was to get at the root of history rather than to use history as an easily-moulded piece of political putty to use as justification for emasculating the White man.

As for the Pacifism bit we often hear this from those who like to quote out of context: What about this? Jeremiah 51:20, "Thou art my battleaxe and weapons of war: and with thee will I break in pieces the nations; and with thee will I destroy kingdoms." Is there anything pacifist about that?

And then there's the famous sword: "They that take the sword shall perish by the sword." Note that this speaks to TWO swords; the sword of the aggressor who shall perish by the sword of the defender!

Luke 22:36, "Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take [it]...and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one."
 
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Please explain how xtianity "freed women"! Also what are the "higher attainments" which you speak of?
women were much freer and equal to men in Europe in the Middle Ages than anywhere else at the time. Some feminists like to tell bs about how they were oppressed in those days but it's false.

No muslim would have accepted to be lead by a 15 year old girl into a battle

http://www.heraldica.org/topics/orders/wom-kn.htm

Now was it mainly because of christianity I doubt it. It may be the less "misogynistic" of the three monotheistic religions but I'm inclined to think that's because of europeans' nature and not their religious beliefs per se.

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While the atheist philosophers where sitting behind the safety of their pen the openly Christian Hitler was out in the streets organizing.
it wasn't his belief in "a God" that said all souls are equal that drove him to fight the jews.

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Let’s go further back, while the Romans where content with their prostitutes and pagan statues there was someone named Jesus out in the temples with a flail walking right up to the hook nosed money changers and beating the daylights out of them. From the founder of Christianity on to today, while the pagan philosophers where sitting back telling others how it “should” be done Christians were taking action against the Jews beating them within an inch of their lives.
All peoples who had contact with jews became antisemites, religion is a minor factor. Even those who have not had any contact with them but observed them from a comfortable distance are likely to become antisemites. One NYT reporter once wrote he met many japanese who were antisemites. How did christianity caused that ?

Tacitus and Cicero were antisemites and Tacitus was anti-christian as well. Titus destroyed and desecrated their damn temple.

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Christians are still out in the street telling the Jew right to his hooknose to go back home.
what % of christians are doing that ? what % of christians are doing the reverse ?
 
Old December 24th, 2005 #87
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Count your blessings, I was BANNED for pointing out the biological fact that Bosnian Muslims are Aryan.
This is what I have been trying to tell you guys. No offense, but you seem to be learning the hard way
 
Old December 24th, 2005 #88
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That's the key right there! It is the SPIRITUAL SENSE of Christianity that is the important part just as it is the SPIRITUAL SENSE of other religions that gives them power. And regardless of the religious trappings, it is this spiritual sense that has to be felt by each person before they can even understand what religion is all about. If the Odinists can feel this spiritual level of Humanity, then they can understand what Christians or anyone else is talking about without thinking it necessary to reject what is being said unless it is something brought forth from their own tradition.

Hitler had this spiritual sense even if he rejected the outer trappings of Christianity -- how else could he have spoken to the People with such indomitable power? You don't go to heaven with a Bible or a Qur'an or a Runic stone in your hand; you go there in your spirit. Finding this Spiritual Sense, is one of the tasks of every warrior and of every man or woman in this Life Time. Woe to those who do not look for it; and pity to those who do not find it!

It is this spiritual sense that gave the Christians as well as the National Socialists much of their power. And it is for this reason that the Jews and Communists pull down, betray, ridicule and try to destroy the Religions and the Spiritual Sense in Mankind.
I agree with what you said, I hate when folks get bogged down in all this factional disputes. Lincoln Rockwell was inspired by Adolf Hitler and NS, he was a man who had no belief in a personal god as would today's Christian would understand a god; what Link and I and others would mean back then when we said we were Christians is that A. we weren't jews, and B. that the Western Christian civilization is what we were a product of, and that culture WAS racialist, it was anti-semitic, it has only been the perversion of that culture that has turned it into some Menshevik type cutlure that we see today, see Kevin MacDonald's CoC for the maddening details of that transformation.

Hitler had a book he read regularly, Worte Christi, which was nothing more than the words of Christ out of the Gospels. He saw Christ as an anti-semite par excellence as well as having something to say from a spiritual perspective. Hitler also read what is generally termed occult literature, but again this was to gain insights into the workings of the world. You cannot put Adolf Hitler into a box, he was beyond today's human paradigm, there was an Avatar among us when he walked the earth.

The spirit that can animate the Christians of the Europe long lost, the spirit that infused and continues to infuse NS, these are one and the same spirit, the spirit of the Aryan, we are all brothers and sisters in this struggle together.

So while I am not a born-again Christian I embrace my Christian brothers and sisters who see our struggle as one.
Maybe a new Jean D'Arc will arise to lead us to victory, who knows, all we do know is that SOMEONE will come, and that is something I believe, totally, utterly, and completely.
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women were much freer and equal to men in Europe in the Middle Ages than anywhere else at the time. Some feminists like to tell bs about how they were oppressed in those days but it's false.

No muslim would have accepted to be lead by a 15 year old girl into a battle

http://www.heraldica.org/topics/orders/wom-kn.htm
Women were indeed oppressed in the Middle Ages. The Church had to actually take a vote on whether women were even human. They narrowly won. Women were far more free and held higher positions(including in the bedroom) in pre-Christian Europe. Joan D'Arc is more of an exception than the rule, and some people assert that she really wasn't much of a leader than she was a rallying symbol.
 
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This is what I have been trying to tell you guys. No offense, but you seem to be learning the hard way

Nice try Diablo. You would have us believe that Mexico and Iran are "Aryan nations". In the case of Iran, this can only be true in the historical and linguistic sense. In Mexico that's just plain stupid.
 
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That was the Jews temple. Christians escaped that wrath because they followed Jesus’ words in Matthew 24, which was to leave when this event was to happen. Titus was going according to God’s plan and that was to destroy the Jewish era and all of their genealogy. Just as predicted in Mt 24 the temple would be entirely destroyed and the Jewish era would be no longer and it came true.
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Tacitus and Cicero were antisemites and Tacitus was anti-christian as well. Titus destroyed and desecrated their ---- temple.


What percent of Pagans are out howling at the moon and becoming homosexuals? 99% What percent of atheist college professors are out teaching we are all equal to our youth? 100%

What percent of atheist college professors are standing up for whites? 0%

What percent of atheist college professors are out doing what Christians Hal Turner and Vonbluvens are doing? 0%
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what % of christians are doing that ? what % of christians are doing the reverse ?
I am almost positive you had a point but no one really seems to know what it is. Right now the only people actually in the streets and not behind a computer fighting for the white race is as it has always been Christians.
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Nice try Diablo. You would have us believe that Mexico and Iran are "Aryan nations". In the case of Iran, this can only be true in the historical and linguistic sense. In Mexico that's just plain stupid.
Since when the frig did I ever say Mexico was an Aryan nation? As for Iran, the difference between Iran and Mexico hits you in the face

Iran:

http://www.gavle.to/~kaveh007/iranian_girls_1.htm

Mexico:

http://www.cancuncare.com/events/independence_day_2.jpg

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We should not allow religion to divide us. Before computers, the WPP had CI, christians, and aethists, but all got along for the common good of the party. Religion in no way divided WNs in the 80's. All that changed due to the anonymity provided by the internet. Which is incurable but nevertheless must be dealt with and overcome if we are to advance our Cause of freedom from the jews, and racial survival.

Thusly, The White Freedom Party and all future organized WN groups, must maintain neutrality regarding religion. Separation of doctrine and religion must be strictly enforced. To allow that "bucket of worms" to poison efforts to unite and organize the masses, is an effort in absolute futility.

Entertain what religious ponderings you so desire privately, and discuss it civilly with other WNs if you must, but steele yourselves against anti-White subversives and non-thinking idiots who use religious differences to divide us.

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Why trade one Big Invisible Friend for another Big Invisible Friend? You're still in the same position, that is, living a fantasy.

I think there MUST be some rhyme and reason behind everything. It's ludicrous to suggest that the infinite universe is here just because of an accident. But that doesn't mean there is some big guy out there who's keeping an eye out for us. The everyday experience of living should tell you that.

Try this. Remind yourself that the universe goes on forever. Not just a very very long way; forever. Even if you went as far as you could, and came to a colossal brick wall, there would still be empty space on the other side. There'd be a place where things could be put. So, there's no end to it, ever.

It's impossible, but it must be so.

There's something. But we may never get to know what it is. Then again, we may. Whatever, it's waste of time speculating further on it.


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For WNs Islam is preferable to Christianity One of the reasons why WNs should favour Islam over Christianity concerns Christianity's deranged, psychotic, sick attitude towards sexuality. One of the reasons Nietzsche hated Christianity was that it "made something unclean out of sexuality", whereas Islam is sex-positive.

For e.g., Al-Suyuti (died 1505 C.E.), Qur'anic commentator and polymath wrote:

Each time we sleep with a houri [a sensuous and always sexually available dark-eyed virgin Muslims meet in Paradise] we find her virigin. Besides, the penis of the Elected never softens. The erection is eternal; The sensation that you feel each time you make love is utterly delicious and out of this world and were you to experience it in this world you would faint. Each chosen one [i.e. Muslim], will marry seventy [sic.] houris, besides the women he married on earth, and all will have appetizing vaginas.

One cannot imagine the staid, ascetic, anti-sex Church fathers writing ecstatically of heavenly and multiple sex as Al-Suyuti did.

One of the reasons why birth-rates of Whites in the West are in severe decline stems from the fact that Christianity saddled sex with all sorts of moral taboos, which have remained with the post-Christian West even though Christianity is in total free-fall. Further, I submit that those psychologically weak Whites who need an imaginary sky-god to give meaning to their lives, should contemplate converting to a manly, virile, life-affirming, two-fisted faith (as the French Revisionist and philosopher Roger Garaudy did), and turn their backs on the peecee, anti-White, feminist, pro-minority, pro-immigration, decadent, homosexual, Zionist Christianity of most Christian Churches.

If I was a religious person, I wouldn't hesitate...addtionally, Muslims and Whites share the same deadly Enemy and should/must unite to combat Him, since their mutual survival depends on it.
 
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Christianity gave us the foundations of Western civilization and the huge achievements of high art that we commonly claim as evidence of artistic superiority!!
No, the foundations of that civilization was already centuries old before Titus Flavius invented "Jesus". Pagans built it.

In the case of Western Civilization the credit must go to Mycenaean palace culture which collapsed with the Bronze Age sometime before 1100 BC. This civilization gave us the stories and histories that Homer took and weaved into a kind of societal Second Coming.

All centuries before Moses or Jesus who are the foundations of nothing in particular.

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I don't think AL understands the extent to which modern history has deliberately falsified Christian history
Even if so, it's still peanuts compared to the extent Christianity has deliberately falsified pagan history.

Without pagans to invent the very idea of civilization, without Dionysus and Osiris and all the saviors Christianity stole to cob together one of their own, without the concepts of law and fair play that were centuries old before the Bronze Age even rose, there would have been no Christians to begin with.

The triumph of "Jesus" remains negative. Acharya's opening words of The Christ Conspiracy remain cogent: Christianity succeeded only by misrepresenting everything that came before them.
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That was because it was about real people with real goals. They were there for the white race not to argue with others. Jews and non-whites can infiltrate the internet easily for entertainment.

This is the reason I support people I know and can see. I know their names and goals and can see what they do.
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We should not allow religion to divide us. Before computers, the WPP had CI, christians, and aethists, but all got along for the common good of the party.
The reason is because all stood face to face. I guarantee 100% if you lined up every single VNNF’er face to face with their real names and addresses you would not see one single argument that you see here. It is easy to mock others when you are using a fake username and like hundreds or thousands of miles from your adversary. It is another thing to be in the south speaking to a redneck with a pistol under his jacket.
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QUOTE=MW88]I don't think AL understands the extent to which modern history has deliberately falsified Christian history and to say that I'm worshipping a bunch of Jews is rather misfortunate!!

Please explain what aspects of xtianity have been "falsified"! It is not sufficient to make these generalistic statements in support of your religion and just simply expect those of us who have a brain to take your word for it.


To say "Fuck" Louis Beam and his "kike" ideals, when Beam is the prime mover in so many things American is almost verging on insanity. And why does everything come down to Wagner??!!

I mentioned Wagner just once in this thread.How many times have you mentioned Beam? Wagner like Nietzsche are prophets of the National Socialist Weltanschauung.

I have no problem with National Socialism and indeed my Grandfather fought on the Eastern Front aged 18. He was a Christian and an SS man. Was there a conflict of interest? No. My grandfather recalls his comrades singing the classic hymn, "Ein fester Burg ist unser Gott" in preparation for battle. "A mighty fortress is our God". Those were the original National Socialists my friend...My grandfather took out a tank singlehandedly and did it as a Christian. Some pacifist group, those Christian NS frontfighters. Did Christianity somehow cripple them spiritually? Clearly not: indeed it sustained them in dark times.

No disrespect to your grandfather.I commend his contribution but at 18 he was hardly old enough to have held any informed views on either National Socialism or xtianity.The SS discouraged their men from remaining within the xtian religion because of its jewish slave mentality and it is a matter of record that Himmler and the majority of the senior officer cadre were pagans.

Nowhere in my bible does it talk about the Jews being a chosen people.

What version of the bible are you reading? I have read many versions over the years and I am amazed that anyone can read the scriptures and not realise that the hebrews/jews/israel are central to jehovah`s plans and that they are his "chosen people."
I suggest that you read this article!
http://www.geocities.com/gngerald/Israel.html


For you to submit that as some sort of evidence against what I'm saying is very poor indeed. I think you should read up about the differences between the House of Israel and the Jews.

I am fully aware of the significance of the terms "jew","hebrew" and israel".The tribes of judah and benjamin who formed the southern kingdom are of the same racial stock and lineage as the 10 northern tribes of israel.Are you forgetting that judah and benjamin as with the 10 northern tribes[the 2 sons of joseph being regarded as the patriarchs of 2 subtribes,Manasseh and Ephraim.Levi having no land allocated to them as a seperate entity] are brothers of the said northern patriarchs being the sons of jacob?

Therein lies many answers to your confusion. The Jews of today are racially remote from the Jews of the Bible, who are now extinct. They don’t exist any more. The Jews of today are of three kinds. There’s the Mizrahi, who are basically Arabs who took the Jewish religion for one reason or another down through the years. Then there’s the Sephardim, who are again largely of Arabic descent and who came into Spain on the heels of Muslim conquerors and were subsequently expelled by Ferdinand and Isabella in 1492, the year Columbus sailed the ocean blue. And finally there are the Jews who have caused most of the problems we have in the world today, the Ashkenazim, the "Brooklyn Yid". The Ashkenazim hail from Eastern Europe but they’re not European in origin, they’re Asian. They are actually an Armenoid people descended from a race called the Khazars, who took the Jewish religion in the seventh century AD.

I am well aware of this but what has this to do with you advocating that Aryans subordinate themselves to the "god" of their enemies?


I love the bit about "no scholar of any veracity" supports what you term "British israelism". Would these be the same scholars who distort European history and, in one example, claim a "holocaust" of some 6 millions Jews? I thought the whole point of Historical Revisionism was to get at the root of history rather than to use history as an easily-moulded piece of political putty to use as justification for emasculating the White man.

I regard your assertion that modern Aryan man is descended from the parasite a true blasphemy. You play the jew as much as you want.In fact I would encourage you to emmigrate to your adopted country and leave the rest of us alone. You have no problem with seeing yourself as "israel" then perhaps you should start confining yourself to the opposing views section with the other outed kikes?


As for the Pacifism bit we often hear this from those who like to quote out of context: What about this? Jeremiah 51:20, "Thou art my battleaxe and weapons of war: and with thee will I break in pieces the nations; and with thee will I destroy kingdoms." Is there anything pacifist about that?

That was taken completely out of context.You regard yourself as a xtian so why do you apply the Old Testament prophecies[intended for israel] to yourself and ignore the pacifist words of your own very JEWISH "Messiah"?

And then there's the famous sword: "They that take the sword shall perish by the sword." Note that this speaks to TWO swords; the sword of the aggressor who shall perish by the sword of the defender!

Luke 22:36, "Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take [it]...and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one."[/QUOTE]
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women were much freer and equal to men in Europe in the Middle Ages than anywhere else at the time. Some feminists like to tell bs about how they were oppressed in those days but it's false.

Read my earlier post that referred to the freedoms enjoyed by pre-xtian Germanic woman! As I said in that post xtianity had nothing to "liberate" Germanic woman from.They were already free and xtianity brought them no additional privileges.If you maintain that it did then post your evidence!


No muslim would have accepted to be lead by a 15 year old girl into a battle


Now was it mainly because of christianity I doubt it. It may be the less "misogynistic" of the three monotheistic religions but I'm inclined to think that's because of europeans' nature and not their religious beliefs per se.
it wasn't his belief in "a God" that said all souls are equal that drove him to fight the jews.

The god that Hitler referred to,"Das Gott" is not the same "god" that the xtians worship,"Der Gott".Hitler recognised a force of providence.If you are familiar with the occult origins of National Socialism you would realise that Hitler`s early preferred reading matter was mainly pagan in orientation such as his collection of "Ostara" magazine.
 
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That was because it was about real people with real goals. They were there for the white race not to argue with others. Jews and non-whites can infiltrate the internet easily for entertainment.

This is the reason I support people I know and can see. I know their names and goals and can see what they do.


The reason is because all stood face to face. I guarantee 100% if you lined up every single VNNF’er face to face with their real names and addresses you would not see one single argument that you see here. It is easy to mock others when you are using a fake username and like hundreds or thousands of miles from your adversary. It is another thing to be in the south speaking to a redneck with a pistol under his jacket.
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Who is we, your local synagogue? I have offered to call anyone (my dime) in the continental USA that wants to talk to the DOC. Do you make the same offer?

We know for sure you are an anonymous net warrior coward. I said it and you are going to do nothing about it. :box: You can’t even prove you are white can you Herschel? Won’t the jews at your local synagogue vouch for you?

I would say you were a dedicated alter boy once, otherwise why would you have such an unhealthy fascination with Christianity. This thread actually brings life to your miserable existence.

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