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Old October 1st, 2016 #81
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The concept of a race-soul or Rassenseele or Volksseele came from nineteenth century völkisch movements, whence it came into prominence in the Third Reich; Dr. Pierce then picked up on the term (especially in the context of a Faustian, questing spirit), which inspired me to make it foundational to Aryanism.
Oh, I see...it inspired you to make it foundational to Aryanism. Well, folks, that about wraps it up I guess -- Georgie here has decreed it to be so; so it is so. (Boy, do I feel like a fool.)
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Rudolf Hess summed it up in a letter to his wife
"...The honour of a man is his conscience...only Aryans have this conscience..."
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Answer me this: is Cosmotheism based on anti-Semitism? Is there even any mention made of Jews in the three foundational texts? No, because Cosmotheism precedes race, ethics, politics, culture, etc... Same deal with Aryanism.


Last time I'll indulge you, autist: I'm not Jewish, by blood or loyalty or temperament. No one "groomed" me.
Anti-Semitism is a misnomer, George.
Cosmotheism preceeded Dr. Pierce.
Aryanism has been replaced by Cosmotheism.

You have no dignity, George.
You stated earlier that you were Jewish and a homosexual and a degenerate in your own posts.
You have no credibility here.
You have struck out!
Bye George.

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Oh, I see...it inspired you to make it foundational to Aryanism. Well, folks, that about wraps it up I guess -- Georgie here has decreed it to be so; so it is so. (Boy, do I feel like a fool.)
The Faustian Spirit is not the same as Race-Soul.
See:
http://www.counter-currents.com/2013...ustian-spirit/

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Old October 3rd, 2016 #85
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Klassen, Rosenberg, Nietzsche and Spengler all emphasize the importance of rationalism and skepticism when it comes to Caucasian - European identity, and within their own words you can find some of the most witty and intriguing cultural/racial ascetic description(s) of the previous century.
A Stormfronter finds an interesting snippet from Ben Klassen's A Revolution Of Values Through Religion:
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ON ROSENBERG AND CHRIST

Rosenberg's Mythos was the most influential of all the Nazi writings of the era in shaping the philosophy and ideology of the Nazi Party, but it was by no means unchallenged. For one thing, many of the party hierarchy had their own religious views and affiliations. Some were Catholics, some were Protestants, some were Atheists, most were indifferent Christians of one kind or another. In any event, most party leaders were not too interested in the religious aspect of their movement, but only in its political pursuit. Whereas Rosenberg was totally loyal to Adolf Hitler, he was in conflict on several major points with others prominent in the top echelon. His feud with Dr. Joseph Goebbels is almost legendary and cannot be reconciled within standard Nationalist Socialist thought. It struck at the very basis of the new state system. Whereas Goebbels favored a modern, concentrated, industrial state, Rosenberg preferred a rural, medieval, dispersed society, claiming that the best racial stock came from the farm population.

Just what did Rosenberg's Mythos say? In trying to answer this question we encounter a diverse and confused conglomerate of many religions, many writers and thinkers, a hodge-podge that is not necessarily consistent.

He reaches back into early Hindu literature (because it is "Aryan") such as, the Rig Veda and Zenda Avesta. He was highly impressed by the teachings of Lao Tse who lived 2,500 years ago, whose teachings, he says, beautifully embodied the Chinese soul of his era, and Lao Tse's wisdom is in the longing for solidarity between soul and spirit

He also read Count Arthur de Gobineau, the Frenchman whose book On the Inequality of Races can be considered the first major work highlighting the superiority of the White Race, but it did little more.

Rosenberg also read Houston Stewart Chamberlain's Foundations of the Nineteenth Century, which, he claims, "set him at once on fire." Chamberlain, it should be noted was the son of a British Admiral and the son-in-law of Richard Wagner. In his Foundations, he lays much of the groundwork for Hitler's racial ideas. It should also be noted that Chamberlain frankly admits that no one really knows, cither the geographic or ethnic origins of the "Aryan" race, or if there were two or more such aboriginal races, or if the whole idea is mythical.

(We Creators consider the whole idea conjectural and immaterial. We believe we should concentrate on the White Race as it exists today, or more correctly, what is left of it. Instead of pontificating endlessly on the "origins" of the "Aryan" race, the concept of which is as nebulous as is the hypothetical existence of the Continent of Atlantis, we Creators say this: let us get busy on solving the dire problems the White Race finds itself in today. Let us concentrate on the survival, expansion and advancement of the White Race, building a Whiter and Brighter World, and forget all the hocus-pocus of the supposed "Aryan" race.)

Rosenberg read all of Nietzsche's works and was strongly influenced by his philosophy of the coming superman. It should be noted, however, that he never did solve his own problem of how all this was to be achieved or brought about. He was, in fact, both apolitical and anti-racist, and in some of his writings even anti- German. He wrote a number of highly sophisticated books, and, like the genius he was, we find him endlessly pontificating in the loftier stratosphere of higher theory. He talks endlessly about the coming of the superman and how we must subordinate everything to this great and inevitable event. He leads us to assume that this will inevitably come about as a result of Nature's law of the Survival of the Fittest.

(We CREATORS say - not so! History does not bear this out. The Ancient Greeks of Athens and Sparta were far superior to the present-day species of the White Race, but were eventually supplanted by a vastly inferior species in their own territory. So were the superb Romans of Ancient Rome. Just as the mighty chestnut trees were killed by a lowly parasitic fungus 50 years ago, so, too, the parasitic Jew is destroying the unique White Race of today with astounding success. This will not be reversed by just merely allowing Nature to take its course. It will only be reversed by a fanatic, deliberate, well- designed program implemented by the White Race itself, such as is inherent in the CREATIVITY blueprint, and then executing such a program with zeal and determination.)

One major contribution Nietzsche made to the cause was his relentless attack on Christianity, although he never did expose its Jewish origins. However, in attacking Christianity, he was neither the first nor the last to do so, but more brilliant than most.

The great German composer, Richard Wagner, also strongly influenced Rosenberg. He considered Wagner's Ring der Nibelung cycle of operas as probably the greatest of all musical creations and as a true expression of the Nordic soul. It is an opinion shared by many Germans, including myself.

Rosenberg was much preoccupied with, and strongly influenced by, the Christian bible, since the Germany of his era was still predominantly Christian and the thinking of its people overshadowed by its Judaic philosophy. It to in the attempt to compromise his new Germanic religion within the framework of Christianity that, in my opinion, was Rosenberg's undoing. But we will have more to say about this later.

Rosenberg was an omnivorous reader and he read many other books that helped shape his thinking, but nothing influenced his outlook as did the chaos, the anarchy, the shameful degeneration of his own native Germany when he came back to it from Moscow in 1918. Leading this shameful degeneration was a passel of Jews, both native and foreign swarming in from abroad. During this era, the Weimar Republic, and especially Berlin, was regarded as the "cesspool of Europe." Rosenberg was shocked at what he saw.

As he labored within the ranks of the Nazi Party, the idea grew upon him that what the German people really needed more than anything else was a nationalistic religion of their own. (Let us remember the word "nationalistic.") He delved into the history, the mores, the superstitions and the folklore of the Germanic tribes (we must remember that Germany never was a nation until Bismarck partially put it together in 1870). He wanted to find the "spiritual roots" of the Germanic "soul" and build upon these roots a new religion for the German people.

One of the most peculiar aspects of Rosenberg's search for the "Germanic soul" was his strange fascination and obsession with a Dominican priest who lived approximately six hundred years before Rosenberg's era. His name was Meister (Master) Eckehart. (1260-1328) a Catholic, yet a rebel to the Catholic hierarchy of which he was a part.

What was so great about Master Eckehart and what possible contribution could he make to a present day religion that should concern us? The answer - not much. He, too, (as did Rosenberg) dabbled in the mystics, in metaphysics, and other obscurantist hocus-pocus that serves more to confuse than to clarify either the problem or the solution. Master Eckehart did stress logic, which was fine, but then reverted right back to talking about God, the need to define God. In so doing he went into a lot of nonsense about the mystical experiences, "flying" to the Godhead through contemplation and a lot of other meaningless double talk. We do not have here the space to review all of his nebulous meanderings, nor do we consider them worthwhile. At the same time Eckehart admits that God is indefinable and unknown. In short, we might as well be talking about Quantity "X", about which we claim to be enamored silly, but don't have the foggiest idea what the hell it is we are talking about. So much for Master Eckehart.

Out of all this conglomerate that also included Lao Tse, Hinduism, Nietzsche, Wagner, Gobineau, Chamberlain, Moses, Jesus Christ, and a host of other parts, what conclusions, what formulations of a new "Germanic soul" religion did Rosenberg finally put together?

Because of his self-defeating approach in trying to compromise the new Germanic religion within the framework of Christianity, his effort, in my opinion, was an utter failure and a pointless pursuit. He reasoned that since the overwhelming majority of Germans were Christian and had been such for many, many centuries, that somehow, we must salvage the best parts of Christianity and combine it with the mores, folklore and traditions of ancient Teutonic myths. Under this eclectic arrangement, we could have the best parts of both.

...

The only good end result of Rosenberg's efforts are basically what he would and could have concluded had he never poked around in the Christian bible, or loaded his book with so much boring mysticism, metaphysics or other hocus-pocus from Master Eckehart, or other mythological sources. Even Nietzsche's contributions were of little constructive value.

The basic philosophy that is of any significance in Mythos is the emphasis of racial values, and, of course, in his book this is confined to the Germanic peoples, or the Nordic, or the "Aryan" race. In this we CREATORS agree wholeheartedly, except that we encompass the whole White Race, Germanic, American, Anglo, French, or otherwise, and seek to unite the total White Race, organize it, polarize it, and smash forever our biological enemies, the parasitic Jew, and go on from there to build a Whiter and Brighter World.
In any event, Rosenberg did not inaugurate a new Germanic religion, and Jewish-Christianity is still as rampant today as it was 50 years ago. In fact, he did not even give a name to the new religion he attempted to construct, but never really brought into meaningful focus.

Had Hitler won the war, his racial philosophy of blood, soil and honor would undoubtedly have expanded into the national religion of the German people, and eventually replaced Christianity. However, Hitler arrived at his racial ideas long before Rosenberg joined him. That Hitler wanted his political philosophy to become a religious philosophy, of that there is little doubt. The fact that the Hitler Youth had regular, organized meetings of indoctrination, just as did their Christian counterparts, and that they conflicted with church and Sunday schools in their timing, is strong evidence to that effect. This met with hostile opposition from both the Catholic and Protestant churches, but the Nazi Party was easily winning this critical battle for the minds of the youth. Had they only had more time, the Christian church would have withered on the vine and disintegrated within another generation. Hitler supported Rosenberg's efforts to forge a more comprehensive religious dogma out of his political philosophy. Whereas we CREATORS admire Hitler as the greatest leader the White Race has ever had, and the greatest White Man that ever lived, and agree with his racial ideas, we cannot help but come to the conclusion that as a religion for the White Race as a whole, Rosenberg's Mythos was woefully incomplete and left much to be desired.
I see in Master Eckehart's heretical mysticism an attempt to brush away the obfuscations of Christianity to get to the meat; he is telling us to not let dogmas get in the way of our race-soul.
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Old October 3rd, 2016 #86
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You stated earlier that you were Jewish and a homosexual and a degenerate in your own posts.
And still denies, though proven again and again to be a liar, to being the first, while the second and third charges he has yet to address. Instead he persists in presenting himself as the forum's #1 authority and promoter of Aryanism, which leads me to this --

Georgie Girl, I've been meaning to ask you something for the longest. And though my question may be deemed by some to be a tad sarcastic, I'd very much appreciate -- if at all humanly possible considering that I'm asking a jew to do the near impossible -- an honest, straightforward answer for once. Think you can manage that? OK then, here goes:

How does one progress from a thread such as this http://vnnforum.com/showthread.php?p=572601#posts572601 to the one you've got going here now? Hm?...how'd that all come about? Did you have an epiphany of sorts?...an Aha! moment when that seldom-used bulb in your head suddenly flickered to life and you realized the error of your ways? Or did you just morph overnight from the Kafkaesque roach you were formerly into the proverbial knight in shining armor astride his rearing white charger, the intrepid Champion of the Race-Soul fighting for truth, justice, and the Aryan way?

And that's it; it's all I ask: an honest answer to a simple question. Think you can go against the instincts of your race and accomplish such a near-Herculean task, an exercise in truthfulness never before attempted by one of the Chosen?...one that Moses himself would've avoided like an Egyptian plague and opted instead to have parted ten Red Seas?

p.s. I'm going to call your Gigi from here on out; if that's all right with you. Pecking out Georgie Girl is just too much of an effort for my lazy ass. Besides, I think I just broke a nail. Oh, poo!
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How does one progress from a thread such as this http://vnnforum.com/showthread.php?p=572601#posts572601 to the one you've got going here now? Hm?...how'd that all come about? Did you have an epiphany of sorts?
I had an epiphany of sorts about 1 1/2 years ago when I was thinking about Judaism and the importance of having a people, or "tribe", in forming a strong identity. I realized that's what gave Jews the resilience and tenacity to survive and thrive in the face of adversity; they still identified with their ancestors from thousands of years ago (which gave them the moral authority to claim the land of Israel as the birthright of all Jews). And I started to trace the ills of the modern world to a lack of rootedness and identity.

So I realized the importance of blood (biological connection to a people) and identity (spiritual connection to a people), and how the two are necessarily intertwined, and I realized the necessity of (romantic 19th-century) blood-nationalism, and came to believe that it was a basic human right to have a homeland for your people. (I started a thread on "blood nationalism" to mark this epiphany.)

So this made me a blood-nationalist (ethno-nationalist), dead set against the globalist agenda; but there was still a problem when it came to "white" identity, since whites aren't an ethnicity and, in fact, come from diverse backgrounds - white identity is almost a betrayal or negation of ethno-nationalism.

But since I myself am a mix of different European ethnicities, and yet I still wanted a "people", I started looking into how to resolve this apparent contradiction. Obviously the "people" I wanted was the Aryan race, which connects the various European ethnicities as a sort of extended family. But because the blood connection between the various ethnicities is tenuous, it's clear you can't go just by blood alone to create the race; like Jews, you need a spiritual component. I realized you need both race and soul, the two are intertwined and bolster each other. (I actually got this from "Aryanists" like Houston Stewart Chamberlain and Alfred Ernst Rosenberg and William Luther Pierce.)

So, a bit like Chamberlain and Rosenberg and Pierce, I started thinking about what would be a good "religion" for Aryans, and seeing as how Aryans created science and how historically our natural skepticism and rationalism ever-more pushed against religious dogmas, I figured what matched the evidence was my own "religion", which sort of strips away all the bullshit and leaves bare the race-soul (via "understanding and not understanding" - see original post). Then I figured I should start a thread on it, so here we are.
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A Stormfronter finds an interesting snippet from Ben Klassen's A Revolution Of Values Through Religion:


I see in Master Eckehart's heretical mysticism an attempt to brush away the obfuscations of Christianity to get to the meat; he is telling us to not let dogmas get in the way of our race-soul.
Klassen was a racialist atheist and his dogmatism was hard atheism which got in the way of whole truths of reality.
Dr. Pierce's true Cosmotheism does not have this flaw and thus it appreciates the real necessity of M.E.'s mysticism.

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I had an epiphany of sorts about 1 1/2 years ago when I was thinking about Judaism and the importance of having a people, or "tribe", in forming a strong identity. I realized that's what gave Jews the resilience and tenacity to survive and thrive in the face of adversity; they still identified with their ancestors from thousands of years ago (which gave them the moral authority to claim the land of Israel as the birthright of all Jews). And I started to trace the ills of the modern world to a lack of rootedness and identity.

So I realized the importance of blood (biological connection to a people) and identity (spiritual connection to a people), and how the two are necessarily intertwined, and I realized the necessity of (romantic 19th-century) blood-nationalism, and came to believe that it was a basic human right to have a homeland for your people. (I started a thread on "blood nationalism" to mark this epiphany.)

So this made me a blood-nationalist (ethno-nationalist), dead set against the globalist agenda; but there was still a problem when it came to "white" identity, since whites aren't an ethnicity and, in fact, come from diverse backgrounds - white identity is almost a betrayal or negation of ethno-nationalism.

But since I myself am a mix of different European ethnicities, and yet I still wanted a "people", I started looking into how to resolve this apparent contradiction. Obviously the "people" I wanted was the Aryan race, which connects the various European ethnicities as a sort of extended family. But because the blood connection between the various ethnicities is tenuous, it's clear you can't go just by blood alone to create the race; like Jews, you need a spiritual component. I realized you need both race and soul, the two are intertwined and bolster each other. (I actually got this from "Aryanists" like Houston Stewart Chamberlain and Alfred Ernst Rosenberg and William Luther Pierce.)

So, a bit like Chamberlain and Rosenberg and Pierce, I started thinking about what would be a good "religion" for Aryans, and seeing as how Aryans created science and how historically our natural skepticism and rationalism ever-more pushed against religious dogmas, I figured what matched the evidence was my own "religion", which sort of strips away all the bullshit and leaves bare the race-soul (via "understanding and not understanding" - see original post). Then I figured I should start a thread on it, so here we are.
Why should anyone here trust "your own religion", George?
Considering your previous posts or all of the insulting jests?

Dr. Pierce's true religion of Cosmotheism is what I trust. It is both rational and intuitive.
Dr. Pierce knew what he was talking about and would not trust someone like you George.

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For the umpteenth time Mr. Evasive weaves around the heart of the question. (Could've used you on my high school dodgeball team, Gigi; we'd have gone straight to the state finals for sure.)

The question was, and still is: How does a self-professed jew and self-professed cocksucker evolve from such a despicable creature into one extolling the beauty, the sublimity of Aryanism and yet at the very same time he preaches against the evils of antisemitism while applauding the superiority of the jews in matters of racial cohesiveness? The principal cause of antisemitism is one that jews themselves are directly responsible for; it's nothing less than self-preservation, reaction against the fact that your people have excelled in self-love and tribal unity to such a degree that they've grown to consider themselves superior to all other humans on the planet, the latter being unworthy of even being labeled as such. Therefore, anything goes when it comes to jewish entitlement. He, the jew, being "God's Chosen" and the "Great Survivor", is justified by divine right in fucking the lowly goyim out of everything he possibly can; not only in matters financial, but depriving them of their heritage, pride, manhood, and very existence as distinct people as well. And yet you wonder why antisemitism exists?...why it's so crucial in our struggle for existence? Look, we both know that you're nothing but a conniving kike who thinks he's pulling the wool over White eyes with your goat fuck of a thread, but...are you out of your fucking mind altogether with this antisemitism is a no-no shit?

You say you did indeed have an epiphany of sorts, but then you sidestep the gist of the matter by slyly segueing into yet more of this "the importance of having a people..." pontificating puke of yours. You stealthily avoid answering just what it was exactly that prompted the change; what happened in your life that made you morph from the vile, hateful creature displayed in the second link of my sig into the one you are now: the kind and gentle apostle of Aryanism instructing the gullible goyim in the true meaning and importance of racial identity. Do you really expect us to believe that you had a sudden change of heart in your views/opinions of WN?...those very views you've expressed over and over since your arrival on this forum? No; it just doesn't stand to reason. The unrestrained hatred you've exhibited toward gentiles and all WN stands for doesn't just *poof*, vanish into thin air over overnight, nor any length of time for that matter. It's innate in you, the jews, and remains in your black souls till the day you die.

Answer the question directly, douchebag, and stop dancing around it.
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Why should anyone here trust "your religion", George?
Considering your previous posts or insulting jests?

Dr. Pierce's true religion of Cosmotheism is what I trust.
Dr. Pierce knew what he was talking about and would not trust someone like you George.
It's sorta like I believe that understanding should take a precedence to belief; that it's wrong to believe something I don't understand. More precisely, I take as my fundament that I both understand and don't understand, and proceed from that basis. To me that is the lesson of Aryans like Socrates and Eckhart and Galileo and even Pierce, too, when I read what he was trying to do.

It's also my takeaway when I reflect on all the havoc and destruction Christianity has wrought on Aryan peoples and civilizations. When I think about things like the Monophysite heresies and how folks condemned each other with such convincing and impressive arguments because they disagreed on how many angels could fit on the head of a pin; and how this set us back hundreds of years, until scientists finally started to gain the upper hand in the modern era. It's ironic you say you don't trust "my religion", since it is the religion of skepticism and rationalism, and it has been in the making since the dawn of the Aryan race.
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For the umpteenth time Mr. Evasive weaves around the heart of the question. (Could've used you on my high school dodgeball team, Gigi; we'd have gone straight to the state finals for sure.)

The question was, and still is: How does a self-professed jew and self-professed cocksucker evolve from such a despicable creature into one extolling the beauty, the sublimity of Aryanism and yet at the very same time he preaches against the evils of antisemitism while applauding the superiority of the jews in matters of racial cohesiveness? The principal cause of antisemitism is one that jews themselves are directly responsible for; it's nothing less than self-preservation, reaction against the fact that your people have excelled in self-love and tribal unity to such a degree that they've grown to consider themselves superior to all other humans on the planet, the latter being unworthy of even being labeled as such. Therefore, anything goes when it comes to jewish entitlement. He, the jew, being "God's Chosen" and the "Great Survivor", is justified by divine right in fucking the lowly goyim out of everything he possibly can; not only in matters financial, but depriving them of their heritage, pride, manhood, and very existence as distinct people as well. And yet you wonder why antisemitism exists?...why it's so crucial in our struggle for existence? Look, we both know that you're nothing but a conniving kike who thinks he's pulling the wool over White eyes with your goat fuck of a thread, but...are you out of your fucking mind altogether with this antisemitism is a no-no shit?

You say you did have an epiphany of sorts, but then you sidestep the gist of the matter by slyly segueing into yet more of this "the importance of having a people..." pontificating puke of yours. You stealthily avoid answering just what it was exactly that prompted the change; what happened in your life that made you morph from the vile, hateful creature displayed in the second link of my sig into the one you are now: the kind and gentle apostle of Aryanism instructing the gullible goyim in the true meaning and importance of racial identity. Do you really expect us to believe that you had a sudden change of heart in your views/opinions of WN?...those very views you've expressed over and over since your arrival on this forum? No; it doesn't stand to reason. The unrestrained hatred you've exhibited toward us and all WN stands for doesn't just *poof*, vanish into thin air over overnight, nor any length of time for that matter. It's innate in you, the jews, and remains in your black souls till the day you die.

Answer the question directly, douchebag, and stop dancing around it.
Go fuck yourself.
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MEOOOOW! -- eh, you big pussy?

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Faggots figure out a way to pervert everything else, so why not Aryanism? Even a holiday like Halloween that used to be about kids going trick or treating; fags managed to pervert that into a disgusting freak show.
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It's sorta like I believe that understanding should take a precedence to belief; that it's wrong to believe something I don't understand. More precisely, I take as my fundament that I both understand and don't understand, and proceed from that basis. To me that is the lesson of Aryans like Socrates and Eckhart and Galileo and even Pierce, too, when I read what he was trying to do.

It's also my takeaway when I reflect on all the havoc and destruction Christianity has wrought on Aryan peoples and civilizations. When I think about things like the Monophysite heresies and how folks condemned each other with such convincing and impressive arguments because they disagreed on how many angels could fit on the head of a pin; and how this set us back hundreds of years, until scientists finally started to gain the upper hand in the modern era. It's ironic you say you don't trust "my religion", since it is the religion of skepticism and rationalism, and it has been in the making since the dawn of the Aryan race.
You both understand and don't understand why no one trusts you here?
Dr. Pierce like myself knows what human dignity means and you lack it.

For example see this:

by Dr. William L. Pierce

"I WANT TO talk to you some more this evening about ethics and about behavior, in particular about the way in which we should behave. Last week we saw a couple of interesting films on man’s origins and on animal behavior, and let me remind you what I said after those films last week. Our pre-human ancestors were, as all the fossil evidence now indicates, predators, meat-eating apes, who hunted and killed with weapons, rather than tree-dwelling vegetarians. But this fact is no excuse for any kind of behavior now. Whether our ancestors 15 million years ago were aggressive meat eaters or whether they were timid, non-aggressive vegetarians, as the liberals so desperately want to believe, in a certain sense is irrelevant to what we should do today.

It’s good to know such things because it helps us to understand our true nature. But, they are no excuse for war or other violent behavior on the one hand, or for cowardly pacifism or disarmament on the other hand. What we should do now must be determined by one thing only, and that thing is our purpose, which is the Creator’s purpose, which is the Creator’s self-realization. In immediate, concrete, and specific terms, that means our guide to action must be our goal of assuring the survival of our race and promoting the progress of our race. Spiritual progress first — through the spreading of the consciousness of our truth among our people until it prevails over all opposition and all indifference. And then material progress, biological progress, for a return to the long-neglected upward breeding of our race.

At our last formal meeting two weeks ago, we derived from this goal some general rules or guiding principles for our behavior and in one instance, namely in the case of sex, we went further and drew some specific rules from a guiding principle. The guiding principle is that sex is the means by which the Creator seeks self realization through the evolutionary process, and that therefore the sex act is sacred. It is first and foremost an act of creation. Specifically, we have the positive obligation to select a racial and genetically sound mate and to engender healthy and racially pure children. And, we have negative obligations; first we may have no sex which defiles the race, because that is also the defilement of the Creator. Such sex is interracial sex and sex which brings unsound children into the world. Second, we may have no sex which symbolically defiles the Creator through the defiling sex as an act of creation; such sex is homosexuality and rape.

Needless to say, our sexual standards derived from this principle are quite different from the standards of those who follow the Jewish materialist line that “if it feels good it’s okay,” and they’re also different from the Puritan standard that if it feels good it must be sinful. A great deal more can be said about sexual ethics, but I want to talk about some other things too, about the specific ways in which our general ethical principles derived from our purpose should guide our behavior.

Remember that the reason for having rules of behavior in the first place is in order to get the job done better. Some of the rules that we must obey are concerned in a direct and physical way with our purpose — the rule against interracial sex, for example. And others are more symbolic than physical; they also serve our purpose, however, by affecting our consciousness. We briefly mentioned one such rule last time: a rule against drunkenness. Drunkenness is intolerable among our own members because it degrades us and robs us of our dignity. There is hardly anyone less dignified than someone who is intoxicated, whether by alcohol or with some other drug. Such a person is a figure of contempt and if he is one of our members, a representative of our truth, then he not only brings contempt by the public down on our truth but he robs himself of the self-respect which everyone must have in the highest degree if he is to rightfully consider himself a bearer of the ordained mission of our race and a fitting seeker of our destiny, which is Godhood.

So, symbolic behavior is important. It may not seem to be of really cosmic significance if someone gets drunk or not, but in a sense it is: Behavior is as important as the truth it represents. Of course, an individual or a whole community may not represent anything; it may not stand for anything beyond themselves. We don’t have to look far to find a community like that with hundreds of millions of individuals. But our community does stand for something, for a single great truth — and it must reflect that fact. An idea or a truth may exist in a mind somewhere, or it may be set down in a book buried in a library, but it only acquires significance when it becomes embodied in a living community. A community embodies a truth not just by individual members having it in the back of their minds, but by the behavior of the whole community continually reflecting it — by having the truth mold and shape the community.

If a stranger comes into a community which truly embodies a spiritual idea he doesn’t have to discover the fact of that embodiment by having a member take him aside and explain it to him. He can see it all around: the way that members of the community act, and the way they conduct their daily lives — in other words, in their attitudes and their actions as well as their beliefs. An idea which is not embodied in a community in this way, which is not reflected in the behavior and attitudes of the community but which only exists in the mind or on paper is a sterile idea; it has no vitality, no real significance. That’s why no religion worth mentioning has ever existed in an idea alone, in a theology or a cosmology alone — but always in an idea coupled to continuing action. The idea determines the form of the action and the action in turn reflects the content of the idea.

Although it may seem a bit artificial to separate this action into two different types, it’s customary to do so: The two types are what we call ethical action, or behavior derived from an ethic; and ritual or symbolic action, which simply reflects in a more formal way than ethical action does the content of the governing idea. Both types of action are essential to the vitality of the idea. An example of ethical behavior is the conduct of one’s sex life in accord to the principles we derived earlier. An example of ritual action is the recitation of our affirmation at each of our meetings. Another example is the wearing of our Life Rune, but, as I just said, the separation of these types of behavior is artificial and it is better to view any action as having two aspects, an ethical aspect and a symbolic aspect. In some cases the ethical aspect is predominant and in other cases the symbolic aspect, but I think it’s important to view nearly every action, nearly everything we do, as having both these aspects.

I want to elaborate on that. We have a goal-oriented ethic. Our standards of conduct are all directed towards our purpose, whether it’s a sexual standard with an immediate biological object in mind — or whether it’s the application of the golden rule to our social relations with each other, which has the simple object of minimizing social friction and increasing our efficiency and our solidarity as a goal-oriented community. But the single most important factor in maintaining and building our community is consciousness. An ever-present awareness and understanding of our identity and our mission. And the entire purpose of symbolic behavior or ritual behavior is to build and maintain this consciousness. So that symbolic behavior is as surely aimed at our goal as is ethical behavior. Not only what we do should be determined in a more or less direct way by our purpose, but also how we do it. The way in which we go about it is symbolically significant — and therefore also important.

Though we hear a lot these days about human dignity from the television commentator or the Washington Post editorial writer, that’s just a code phrase for reminding us that since Blacks belong to the same species we do, they are the same as we are in every respect. They have “human dignity” just like we do. Now it’s too bad that the concept of human dignity has been abused and misused in this way. It’s too bad that it’s been degraded to serve as a phony excuse for most of the insanity, or at least much of the insanity, which afflicts our society today. Like so many other things it is used perversely to destroy the very thing that it’s supposed to represent. Nevertheless, human dignity is a very important thing, once we realize that it has nothing to do with racial equality or with a bigger welfare budget or with job quotas or with changing the name of the Boy Scouts because a certain minority group finds the word “boy” offensive. No, we human beings do not have dignity bestowed on us by any civil rights laws — or by having more money to spend — or by being able to elbow our way into any club or school — or by being able to marry anyone’s sister. And we are certainly not born with any type of automatic dignity. Just watching the everyday behavior of most of the people around us should convince us of that.

We acquire human dignity and we acquire it only to the extent that we behave in a way that reflects the fact that we are of the Creator; only to the extent that the spark of divine consciousness inside us illuminates and guides our lives. Human dignity expressed in our behavior and our manner symbolizes what we are and what our purpose and our destiny are.

Let’s illustrate that with some examples. It’s easy to think of negative examples: A drunk, even though he may be solemn or even pompous, is without human dignity — and so is a person who has no consciousness or pride of race.

It’s no mere coincidence that during the same period in which the government, media, and the schools have done so much to eradicate consciousness of race and to destroy racial pride, we have seen politicians reach new depths in undignified behavior — and have also seen the American public vastly increase its consumption of every sort of drug and intoxicant. And we’ve seen them do other things too, such as abandoning their traditional dance styles which at least used to have a little bit of dignity about them and replacing them with African styles which have no dignity at all.

History provides us with a number of positive examples also: Among the ancient Greeks, the Spartans were foremost among the upholders of human dignity, and by that I mean real human dignity, not what passes for it on TV today. The Spartans were also the most racially conscious of the Greeks. The English historian Edward Gibbon tells us that after King Leonidas and his 300 Spartans, who fought to the last man defending the pass of Thermopylae against the Persian army in 480 BC, all the Greeks were very impressed with their heroism — all except the other Spartans. They didn’t consider the action of Leonidas and his men exceptional at all: What they did at Thermopylae was their duty and every Spartan would have behaved in exactly the same way if he had been at Thermopylae instead. The Spartans were, first and foremost, conscious of who they were and what they represented. They were a warrior elite who had come down from the north and subjugated the racially inferior people who vastly outnumbered them.

This Spartan consciousness is what lay behind the famous Spartan self-discipline. It determined every aspect of their behavior throughout their lives. The Athenians may have been more cultured but the Spartans had more human dignity — and as long as they maintained that dignity they prevailed over their enemies, including the Athenians. For us, just as for the Spartans, consciousness is the prerequisite for human dignity. But, in order to achieve that dignity, we need not only consciousness but also self-discipline, so that our behavior reflects at all times what we are and what we are striving to become. Consciousness leads to human dignity — and human dignity in turn serves to continually reinforce that consciousness."


Christianity was designed by Saul of Tarsus to be destructive to gentile peoples
just as was Marxism.

For examples see:

http://www.jrbooksonline.com/pdf_boo...s_to_lenin.pdf

And from the above:

""No, you are right," he said. "The Jew often plays the role of a
benefactor only in order to accomplish his destructive aims
without notice. It's always been that way.
"This ambiguity," I completed, "one finds even in Spinoza. One
can hardly imagine a bolder, more outspoken world view than
his; but his ethics would horrify a pig. 'In all things seek that
which is advantageous' is the quintessence of his moral
philosophy -- the genuine Jewish viewpoint."

[Even Baruch Spinoza, the greatest Jewish philosopher (1632-1677)]

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Faggots figure out a way to pervert everything else, so why not Aryanism? Even a holiday like Halloween that used to be about kids going trick or treating; fags managed to pervert that into a disgusting freak show.
Excellent link. I strongly advise folks not to pass this one up; the author, Big Effer, just nails it dead. Shit, you'd swear it was plagiarized from VNNF itself.

I do detect an error in numbers though. Effer starts the ball rolling with: "One of the 6,329,418 reasons why LA sucks is the fact that there's a tremendous amount of queers in this town." (I believe that Ef's figure is wrong. As far as I'm aware LA has roughly 4,000,000 residents, not 6+ million.)

p.s. And just a reminder to you, Gigi (you didn't think I'd forget about our resident heblew, did you?): Make sure to stock up on the Kleenex before you view the link. The pics will no doubt have you whacking-off faster than Pee-wee Herman's and Chester the Molester's combined speed while watching a "Here Comes Honey Boo Boo" marathon; and you're in enough of a "sticky situation" as it is....aren't you?
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You both understand and don't understand why no one trusts you here?
Good point. Gigi's sig, "I understand and do not understand" says it all; sums up his confused state of mind to a "t".

He came to understand that the demented diatribes of his earlier years on the forum were having little or no effect. Unable to best most here in debate he decided to try another tack, one he believes to be tried-and-true, and one resorted to by many a jew before him when trapped like the rats they are: Why not change course altogether?...simply throw up the pretense of being, not the sworn enemy of WN of yore, but its "friend"; a belated convert to Aryanism? What he doesn't understand, however, is how the fuck the stupid goyim caught on so fast to his ashkenazi antics -- it's not supposed to turn out like this, dammit!
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Old October 6th, 2016 #98
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Go fuck yourself.
Those last ones really just hit too close to the bone, huh, George?

BTW: That was not intended as a pun although some here at VNNF
could actually see why you would LIKELY just consider it to be one.
 
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For the umpteenth time Mr. Evasive weaves around the heart of the question. (Could've used you on my high school dodgeball team, Gigi; we'd have gone straight to the state finals for sure.)

The question was, and still is: How does a self-professed jew and self-professed cocksucker evolve from such a despicable creature into one extolling the beauty, the sublimity of Aryanism and yet at the very same time he preaches against the evils of antisemitism while applauding the superiority of the jews in matters of racial cohesiveness? The principal cause of antisemitism is one that jews themselves are directly responsible for; it's nothing less than self-preservation, reaction against the fact that your people have excelled in self-love and tribal unity to such a degree that they've grown to consider themselves superior to all other humans on the planet, the latter being unworthy of even being labeled as such. Therefore, anything goes when it comes to jewish entitlement. He, the jew, being "God's Chosen" and the "Great Survivor", is justified by divine right in fucking the lowly goyim out of everything he possibly can; not only in matters financial, but depriving them of their heritage, pride, manhood, and very existence as distinct people as well. And yet you wonder why antisemitism exists?...why it's so crucial in our struggle for existence? Look, we both know that you're nothing but a conniving kike who thinks he's pulling the wool over White eyes with your goat fuck of a thread, but...are you out of your fucking mind altogether with this antisemitism is a no-no shit?

You say you did indeed have an epiphany of sorts, but then you sidestep the gist of the matter by slyly segueing into yet more of this "the importance of having a people..." pontificating puke of yours. You stealthily avoid answering just what it was exactly that prompted the change; what happened in your life that made you morph from the vile, hateful creature displayed in the second link of my sig into the one you are now: the kind and gentle apostle of Aryanism instructing the gullible goyim in the true meaning and importance of racial identity. Do you really expect us to believe that you had a sudden change of heart in your views/opinions of WN?...those very views you've expressed over and over since your arrival on this forum? No; it just doesn't stand to reason. The unrestrained hatred you've exhibited toward gentiles and all WN stands for doesn't just *poof*, vanish into thin air over overnight, nor any length of time for that matter. It's innate in you, the jews, and remains in your black souls till the day you die.

Answer the question directly, douchebag, and stop dancing around it.
The Usual Suspects really do have no shame.
George won't honesty answer direct questions.
What else does one now really need to know?
 
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Faggots figure out a way to pervert everything else, so why not Aryanism? Even a holiday like Halloween that used to be about kids going trick or treating; fags managed to pervert that into a disgusting freak show.
Indeed.
But it is not just these that do pervert everything they touch.
Like the story of "The scorpion and the frog".
It is in the nature of these Usual Suspects to do what they do.
 
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