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Old August 1st, 2014 #41
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While on the subject those pretentious posters here who think that complicating something makes it "authentic" would do well to study the works of Carl Schmitt.
One thing they do know though, they know exactly who they are
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Old August 2nd, 2014 #42
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Hitlerism as a Pantheistic Religion

"What does Christianity mean today? National Socialism is a religion. All we lack is a religious genius capable of uprooting outmoded religious practices and putting new ones in their place. We lack traditions and ritual. One day soon National Socialism will be the religion of all Germans. My Party is my church, and I believe I serve the Lord best if I do his will, and liberate my oppressed people from the fetters of slavery. That is my gospel."

Joseph Goebbels, diary entry for October 16, 1928.




During the events at the Cathedral of Light at the 1936 Nuremberg Party Rally the following oath was taken by all those in attendance:


We have come
For the good
And to renew the holy oath.

Blazing flames hold us together
Into eternity.

May the times
Bring what they will,
We are a young people ever ready.

No one shall take this faith
From those who are dedicated to Germany.

When we pass on,
Something new will come
Today and forever more.



The Cathedral of Light was a large outdoor area that was used every year during the Nuremberg Party Rallies for a special night-time speech. Architect Albert Speer designed the "Cathedral" using spotlights to create an impression of space. What you see in the picture above is columns of light. The light was used in such a way as to create the sense that you were in a giant space that extended up into the heavens.




Communism with the Mask Off by Joseph Goebbels

"Bolshevism denies religion as a principle, fundamentally and entirely. It recognises religion only as an “opium for the people.” For the help and support of religious belief, however, National Socialism absolutely places in the foreground of its programme a belief in God and that transcendental idealism which has been destined by Nature to bring to expression the racial soul of a nation".

National Socialism as a Transcendental
Metapolitical Phenomenon
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Old August 5th, 2014 #43
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You present a lot of useful information and thought-provoking insights. I wonder, however, if it is possible to accurately denote either Adolf Hitler's personal religious views, or NS religiousness more generally, as either Deist or Pantheist.

There are many different types of Deism. One could say, without being too specific about it, that Hitler's personal religious beliefs, as well as a more generalized NS spirituality, are roughly consistent with Deism.

However, Hitler's beliefs differ from traditional Deism on a number of points. Chief among these is the notion that God does not "interfere" or participate in human affairs. In Hitler's conception of the Divine, God does more than just watch over mankind from a great distance: He actively and consciously takes part in human history and the life of peoples and races, specifically rewarding those who follow His laws and penalizing those who do not.

Hitler's God, whom he typically refers to as "the Lord" may also appealed to directly by various means, including prayer. This also differs from traditional Deism.

One should also consider Pantheism as part of Hitlerian spirituality. Pantheism holds that the Divine in immanent in all of Nature, rather than transcendent.

However, as with Deism, Hitlerian thought differs from traditional Pantheism in that Hitler believes in a transcendent "Lord" governing the Universe.

In sum, NS religiousness combines both elements of Deism and Pantheism with a belief in a Supreme Being who created the Universe, imbued all of this Creation (particularly living Nature) with holiness, and who plays an active role in that Creation.

Perhaps National-Socialist spirituality is sui generis, and not entirely subordinate to some larger category.
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Hitlerism as a Pantheistic Religion

"What does Christianity mean today? National Socialism is a religion. All we lack is a religious genius capable of uprooting outmoded religious practices and putting new ones in their place. We lack traditions and ritual. One day soon National Socialism will be the religion of all Germans. My Party is my church, and I believe I serve the Lord best if I do his will, and liberate my oppressed people from the fetters of slavery. That is my gospel."

Joseph Goebbels, diary entry for October 16, 1928.




During the events at the Cathedral of Light at the 1936 Nuremberg Party Rally the following oath was taken by all those in attendance:


We have come
For the good
And to renew the holy oath.

Blazing flames hold us together
Into eternity.

May the times
Bring what they will,
We are a young people ever ready.

No one shall take this faith
From those who are dedicated to Germany.

When we pass on,
Something new will come
Today and forever more.



The Cathedral of Light was a large outdoor area that was used every year during the Nuremberg Party Rallies for a special night-time speech. Architect Albert Speer designed the "Cathedral" using spotlights to create an impression of space. What you see in the picture above is columns of light. The light was used in such a way as to create the sense that you were in a giant space that extended up into the heavens.




Communism with the Mask Off by Joseph Goebbels

"Bolshevism denies religion as a principle, fundamentally and entirely. It recognises religion only as an “opium for the people.” For the help and support of religious belief, however, National Socialism absolutely places in the foreground of its programme a belief in God and that transcendental idealism which has been destined by Nature to bring to expression the racial soul of a nation".

National Socialism as a Transcendental
Metapolitical Phenomenon
But J. Goebbels was a man who made history, he made and experienced the real thing. Compared to the likes of him, you guys don't have that luxury, this stuff you're doing now makes you look like a bunch of phallus worshipers.
 
Old August 5th, 2014 #45
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You present a lot of useful information and thought-provoking insights. I wonder, however, if it is possible to accurately denote either Adolf Hitler's personal religious views, or NS religiousness more generally, as either Deist or Pantheist.
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Information is so scarce about NS religiosity, that finding out the real religious views of Hitler, and the National Socialist movement, is very much a case of connecting all the dots. It is like putting a jigsaw puzzle together that has 80% of the pieces missing. But I think I have already uncovered enough information to prove my assertion that National Socialism was fundamentally a spiritual movement, more so than just a political organisation.

Hitler certainly believed that he was 'protected' by divine providence in some way. That is a 100% stone cold fact. Although I suspect he wasn't in direct communicado with God like the prophet Mohammed was! Rather it was Hitler's 'inner voice' that was God's voice guiding him so to speak.





Going by this chart I'd say I am more in the pagan camp.
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Old August 14th, 2014 #46
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I never met... someone so demonic as Herr Hitler. Why do you think I spend so much time with him? And come when he bids me? I tell you only the universe can prevail against Hitler. But the universe for the present doesn’t seem to be interested; though Hitler is the enemy of the universe, that is to say of God; for the universe is only God’s instrument. It is as if God said, “Let mankind learn a lesson; they need to open their eyes a little wider. Hitler will do that for them. Just wait. They will see things that men have never seen or heard before—such horrors that there will be no word in the German or any other language to describe them.’ That is what the demonic is when it appears in a very ordinary person, a man of the people, someone the intellectuals are contemptuous of but not the masses. With an uncanny instinct, they know who he is.”

From: John Symmonds "Medussas head"
Medusa's Head: or, Conversations Between Aleister Crowley and Adolf Hitler: John Symonds: 9781872736068: Amazon.com: Books Medusa's Head: or, Conversations Between Aleister Crowley and Adolf Hitler: John Symonds: 9781872736068: Amazon.com: Books

Did someone read this book?

Eckart (menthor of Hitler) had been Crowley student

If it is true that Crowley have impact of Hitler,all is clear,it would means that Hitler had been puppet in hands of Kabbalists in short.


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The movement steadfastly refuses to take up any stand in regard to those problems which are either outside of its sphere of political work or seem to have no fundamental importance for us. It does not aim at bringing about a religious reformation, but rather a political reorganization of our people. It looks upon the two religious denominations as equally valuable mainstays for the existence of our people, and therefore it makes war on all those parties which would degrade this foundation, on which the religious and moral stability of our people is based, to an instrument in the service of party interests.
From: Mein Kampf number 10,chapter 12,tittle: The First Stage In The Development Of The German National Socialist Labour Party

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National Socialist and Christian concepts are irreconcilable. Christian churches build on uncertainty of human beings and attempt to preserve the uncertainty of as wide segments of the population as possible, for only in this way can Christian churches keep their power. As opposed to that, National Socialism is based on scientific fundamentals. Christianity has invariable tenets, which were set up almost 2000 years ago and have crystallized in dogmas incompatible with reality. National Socialism on the other hand must, if it is to fulfill its job in the future, always be organized according to the latest knowledge of scientific research.

Christian churches have always recognized the dangers which threaten their existence on account of exact scientific knowledge and therefore attempt by means of pseudo-science, such as theology is, to suppress or falsify scientific research by means of their dogma. Our National Socialist ideology is far loftier than the concepts of Christianity, which in their essential points have been taken over from Jewry. For this reason also we do not need Christianity.

No human being would know anything of Christianity if it had not been drilled into him in his childhood by pastors. The so-called dear God in no wise gives knowledge of his existence to young people in advance, but in an astonishing manner in spite of his omnipotence leaves this to the efforts of the pastors. If therefore in the future our youth learns nothing more of this Christianity, whose doctrines are far below ours, Christianity will disappear by itself.

It is also strange that before the beginning of today's calculation time (calendar) nothing was known of this Christian God and that also since this moment most inhabitants of the earth never learned anything of this Christianity and therefore according to the standard Christian concept were damned from the beginning.

When we National Socialists speak of a belief in God, we do not understand by God, like naive Christians and their spiritual opportunists, a human-type being, who sits around somewhere in the sphere. We must rather open people's eyes to the fact that beside our small universe, highly important in the great universe there are an inconceivably large number of other bodies in the universe, innumerable additional bodies, which like the sun are surrounded by planets, and these in turn by smaller bodies, the moons. The force of natural law, with which all these innumerable planets move in the universe, we call the Almighty or God. The claim that this world force is concerned about the fate of every single being, of every smallest earth bacillus, can be influenced by so-called prayers or other astonishing things, is based on a proper dose of naivete or (however) on a business shamelessness.

As opposed to that, we National Socialists impose on ourselves the demand to live naturally as much as possible, i.e., biologically. The more accurately we recognize and observe the laws of nature and of life, the more we adhere to them, so much the more do we conform to the will of the Almighty. The more insight we have into the will of the Almighty, the greater will be our successes.

It follows from the irreconcilability of National Socialist and Christian concepts, that a strengthening of existing confessions and every demand of originating Christian confessions is to be rejected by us. A differentiation between the various Christian confessions is not to be made here. For this reason also the thought of an erection of an evangelical National Church by merger of the various evangelical churches has been definitively given up, because the evangelical church is just as inimical to us as the Catholic Church. Any strengthening of the evangelical church would merely react against us.

It was a historical mistake of the German Emperors in the Middle Ages, that they repeatedly created order at the Vatican in Rome. It is always an error into which we Germans unfortunately fall too often, that we attempt to create order where we would needs have an interest in disunion and separation. The Hohenstaufens would needs have had the greatest interest in the disintegration of circumstances of Ecclesiastical power. From the standpoint of the Reich it would have been most favorable if not one pope but at least two, if possible even more popes had existed and mutually fought. Instead of this the German emperors and especially the Hohenstaufens repeatedly looked after order in the church, helped one pope to power over all other rivals, with the success that the emperors, as soon as the pope was again strong enough for it immediately received the first blows from "their" pope. The church however in strengthening its own position of power repeatedly used the particularism of the princes and later of parties and tied it up with all its strength.

In former generations leadership of the people lay exclusively in the hands of the church. The state limited itself to issuing laws and orders and primarily to administering. The real leadership of the people lay not with the state but with the church. The latter exerted via the priest the strongest influence on the life of the individual human being, of families and on the totality (of things). Everything which did not suit the churches was suppressed with unprecedented ruthlessness. For centuries the state by the most various turns granted to the church the possibility of influence. It depended on the church, whether it would help the state or oppose it. The State was reduced to the aid of the church, it was dependent on it. The struggle of the German Emperors against the pope had to fail in the Middle Ages and repeatedly in modern times, because not the emperor, but the church had the leadership of the people in its hand.

This ideological dependence of the state on the church, the yielding of leadership of the people to the church, had become a matter of course, so that nobody dared to oppose seriously here. To consider this not as an incontrovertible fact from the beginning, passed as absurd stupidity until just before the Machtuebernahme [Hitler's rise to power, 1933].

For the first time in German history the Fuehrer consciously and completely has the leadership of the people in his own hand. With the party, its components and attached units the Fuehrer has created for himself and thereby the German Reich leadership an instrument which makes him independent of the church. All influences which might impair or damage the leadership of the people exercised by the Fuehrer with help of the NSDAP, must be eliminated. More and more the people must be separated from the churches and their organs, the pastors. Of course the churches must and will, seen from their viewpoint, defend themselves against this loss of power. But never again must an influence on leadership of the people be yielded to the churches. This (influence) must be broken completely and finally.

Only the Reich government and by its direction the party, its components and attached units have a right to leadership of the people. Just as the deleterious influences of astrologers, seers and other fakers are eliminated and suppressed by the state, so must the possibility of church influence also be totally removed. Not until this has happened, does the state leadership have influence on the individual citizens. Not until then are people and Reich secure in their existence for all the future.

We would repeat the mistakes which in past centuries were fatal to the Reich, if we according to the knowledge of our ideological opponents of the Christian confessions were to contribute in any way to the strengthening of one of the various churches. The interest of the Reich lies not in conquering but in preserving and strengthening ecclesiastical particularism.
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I think the man who contemplates the universe with his eyes wide open is the man with the greatest amount of natural piety: not in the religious sense, but in the sense of an intimate harmony with things.

At the end of the last century the progress of science and technics led liberalism astray into proclaiming man's mastery of nature, and announcing that he would soon have dominion over space. But a simple storm is enough — and everything collapses like a pack of cards!

In any case, we shall learn to become familiar with the laws by which life is governed, and acquaintance with the laws of nature will guide us on the path of progress. As for the 'why' of these laws, we shall never know anything about it. A thing is so, and our understanding cannot conceive of other schemes.

Man has discovered in nature the wonderful notion of that almighty being whose law he worships.

Fundamentally in everyone there is the feeling for this almighty, which we call 'God' (that is to say, the dominion of natural laws throughout the whole universe). The priests, who have always succeeded in exploiting this feeling, threaten punishments for the man who refuses to accept the creed they impose.

When one provokes in a child a fear of the dark, one awakens in him a feeling of atavistic dread. Thus this child will be ruled all his life by this dread, whereas another child, who has been intelligently brought up, will be free of it.

It is said that every man needs a refuge where he can find consolation and help in unhappiness. I do not believe it! If humanity follows that path, it is solely a matter of tradition and habit. That is a lesson, by the way, that can be drawn from the Bolshevik front. The Russians have no God, and that does not prevent them from being able to face death.

We do not want to educate anyone in atheism.

The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity. Bolshevism practices a lie of the same nature, when it claims to bring liberty to men, whereas in reality it seeks only to enslave them. In the ancient world, the relations between men and gods were founded on an instinctive respect. It was a world enlightened by the idea of tolerance. Christianity was the first creed in the world to exterminate its adversaries in the name of love. Its keynote is intolerance.

Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of human failure.

The Earth continues to go around, whether it's the man who kills the tiger or the tiger who eats the man. The stronger asserts his will, it's the law of nature. The world doesn't change; its laws are eternal.

There are some who say the world is evil, and that they wish to depart from this life. For my part, I like the world! Unless the desire to die is due to a lover's quarrel, I advise the desperate man to have patience for a year. The consolations will come. But if a human being has any other reason to wish to die than this, then let him die, I'm not stopping him. I merely call attention to the fact that one cannot escape this world entirely. The elements of which our body is made belong to the cycle of nature; and as for our soul, it's possible that it might return to limbo, until it gets an opportunity to reincarnate itself. But it would vex me if everybody wanted to have done with life.

To make death easier for people, the Church holds out to them the bait of a better world. We, for our part, confine ourselves to asking man to fashion his life worthily. For this, it is sufficient for him to conform to the laws of nature. Let's seek inspiration in these principles, and in the long run we'll triumph over religion.

But there will never be any possibility of National Socialism's setting out to ape religion by establishing a form of worship. Its one ambition must be scientifically to construct a doctrine that is nothing more than a homage to reason.

Our duty is to teach men to see whatever is lovely and truly wonderful in life, and not to become prematurely ill tempered and spiteful. We wish fully to enjoy what is beautiful, to cling to it — and to avoid, as far as possible, anything that might do harm to people like ourselves.

If today you do harm to the Russians, it is so as to avoid giving them the opportunity of doing harm to us.

God does not act differently. He suddenly hurls the masses of humanity on to the Earth, and he leaves it to each one to work out his own salvation. Men dispossess one another, and one perceives that, at the end of it all, it is always the stronger who triumphs. Is that not the most reasonable order of things?

If it were otherwise, nothing good would ever have existed. If we did not respect the laws of nature, imposing our will by the right of the stronger, a day would come when the wild animals would once again devour us — then the insects would eat the wild animals, and finally nothing would exist on Earth but the microbes.

Trying to take a long view of things, is it conceivable that one could found anything durable on falsehood? When I think of our Folk's future, I must look further than immediate advantages, even if these advantages were to last three hundred, five hundred years or more. I'm convinced that any pact with the Church can offer only a provisional benefit, for sooner or later the scientific spirit will disclose the harmful character of such a compromise. Thus the State will have based its existence on a foundation that one day will collapse.

An educated man retains the sense of the mysteries of nature and bows before the unknowable. An uneducated man, on the other hand, runs the risk of going over to atheism (which is a return to the state of the animal) as soon as he perceives that the State, in sheer opportunism, is making use of false ideas in the matter of religion, whilst in other fields it bases everything on pure science.

That's why I've always kept the Party aloof from religious questions. I've thus prevented my Catholic and Protestant supporters from forming groups against one another, and inadvertently knocking each other out with the bible and the sprinkler. So we never became involved with these churches' forms of worship. And if that has momentarily made my task a little more difficult, at least I've never run the risk of carrying grist to my opponents' mill. The help we would have provisionally obtained from a concordat [with the churches] would have quickly become a burden on us. In any case, the main thing is to be clever in this matter and not to look for a struggle where it can be avoided.

Being weighed down by a superstitious past, men are afraid of things that can't, or can't yet, be explained — that is to say, of the unknown. If anyone has needs of a metaphysical nature, I can't satisfy them with the Party's Program. Time will go by until the moment when science can answer all the questions.

So it's not opportune to hurl ourselves now into a struggle with the churches. The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death. A slow death has something comforting about it. The dogma of Christianity gets worn away before the advances of science. Religion will have to make more and more concessions. Gradually the myths crumble. All that's left is to prove that in nature there is no frontier between the organic and the inorganic. When understanding of the universe has become widespread, when the majority of men know that the stars are not sources of light but worlds, perhaps inhabited worlds like ours, then the Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity.

Originally, religion was merely a prop for human communities. It was a means, not an end in itself. It's only gradually that it became transformed in this direction, with the object of maintaining the rule of the priests, who can live only to the detriment of society collectively.

The instructions of a hygienic nature that most religions gave, contributed to the foundation of organized communities. The precepts ordering people to wash, to avoid certain drinks, to fast at appointed dates, to take exercise, to rise with the sun, to climb to the top of the minaret — all these were obligations invented by intelligent people. The exhortation to fight courageously is also self-explanatory. Observe, by the way, that, as a corollary, the Moslem was promised a paradise peopled with sensual girls, where wine flowed in streams — a real earthly paradise. The Christians, on the other hand, declare themselves satisfied if after their death they are allowed to sing hallelujahs! All these elements contributed to form human communities. It is to these private customs that Folks owe their present characters.

Christianity, of course, has reached the peak of absurdity in this respect. And that's why one day its structure will collapse. Science has already impregnated humanity. Consequently, the more Christianity clings to its dogmas, the quicker it will decline.

But one must continue to pay attention to another aspect of the problem. It's possible to satisfy the needs of the inner life by an intimate communion with nature, or by knowledge of the past. Only a minority, however, at the present stage of the mind's development, can feel the respect inspired by the unknown, and thus satisfy the metaphysical needs of the soul. The average human being has the same needs, but can satisfy them only by elementary means. That's particularly true of women, as also of peasants who impotently watch the destruction of their crops. The person whose life tends to simplification is thirsty for belief, and he dimly clings to it with all his strength.

Nobody has the right to deprive simple people of their childish certainties until they've acquired others that are more reasonable. Indeed, it's most important that the higher belief should be well established in them before the lower belief has been removed. We must finally achieve this. But it would serve no purpose to replace an old belief by a new one that would merely fill the place left vacant by its predecessor.

It seems to me that nothing would be more foolish than to reestablish the worship of Wotan. Our old mythology had ceased to be viable when Christianity implanted itself. Nothing dies unless it is moribund. At that period the ancient world was divided between the systems of philosophy and the worship of idols. It's not desirable that the whole of humanity should be stultified — and the only way of getting rid of Christianity is to allow it to die little by little.

A Movement like ours mustn't let itself be drawn into metaphysical digressions. It must stick to the spirit of exact science. It's not the Party's function to be a counterfeit for religion.

If, in the course of a thousand or two thousand years, science arrives at the necessity of renewing its points of view, that will not mean that science is a liar. Science cannot lie, for it's always striving, according to the momentary state of knowledge, to deduce what is true. When it makes a mistake, it does so in good faith. It's Christianity that's the liar. It's in perpetual conflict with itself.

One may ask whether the disappearance of Christianity would entail the disappearance of belief in God. That's not to be desired. The notion of divinity gives most men the opportunity to concretize the feeling they have of supernatural realities. Why should we destroy this wonderful power they have of incarnating the feeling for the divine that is within them?

The man who lives in communion with nature necessarily finds himself in opposition to the Churches. And that's why they're heading for ruin — for science is bound to win.

I especially wouldn't want our Movement to acquire a religious character and institute a form of worship. It would be appalling for me, and I would wish I'd never lived, if I were to end up in the skin of a Buddha!

If at this moment we were to eliminate the religions by force, the people would unanimously beseech us for a new form of worship. You can imagine our District Leaders giving up their pranks to play at being saints! As for our Minister For Religion, according to his own co-religionists, God himself would turn away from his family!

I envisage the future, therefore, as follows: First of all, to each man his private creed. Superstition shall not lose its rights. The Party is sheltered from the danger of competing with the religions. These latter must simply be forbidden from interfering in future with temporal matters. From the tenderest age, education will be imparted in such a way that each child will know all that is important to the maintenance of the State. As for the men close to me, who, like me, have escaped from the clutches of dogma, I've no reason to fear that the Church will get its hooks on them.

We'll see to it that the churches cannot spread abroad teachings in conflict with the interests of the State. We shall continue to preach the doctrine of National Socialism, and the young will no longer be taught anything but the truth.

On the whole Earth there's no being, no substance, and probably no human institution that doesn't end by growing old. But it's in the logic of things that every human institution should be convinced of its everlastingness — unless it already carries the seed of its downfall. The hardest steel grows weary. Just as it is certain that one day the Earth will disappear, so it is certain that the works of men will be overthrown.

All these manifestations are cyclical. Religion is in perpetual conflict with the spirit of free research. The Church's opposition to science was sometimes so violent that it struck off sparks. The Church, with a clear awareness of her interests, has made a strategic retreat, with the result that science has lost some of its aggressiveness.

The present system of teaching in schools permits the following absurdity: at 10 a.m. the pupils attend a lesson on the catechism, at which the creation of the world is presented to them in accordance with the teachings of the Bible; and at 11 a.m. they attend a lesson in natural science, at which they are taught the theory of evolution. Yet the two doctrines are in complete contradiction! As a child, I suffered from this contradiction, and ran my head against a wall. Often I complained to one or another of my teachers against what I had been taught an hour before — and I remember that I drove them to despair.

The Christian religion tries to get out of it by explaining that one must attach a symbolic value to the images of Holy Writ. Any man who made the same claim four hundred years ago would have ended his career at the stake, with an accompaniment of Hosannas. By joining in the game of tolerance, religion has won back ground by comparison with bygone centuries.

Religion draws all the profit that can be drawn from the fact that science postulates the search for, and not the certain knowledge of, the truth. Let's compare science to a ladder. On every rung, one beholds a wider landscape. But science does not claim to know the essence of things. When science finds that it has to revise one or another notion that it had believed to be definitive, at once religion gloats and declares: We told you so! To say that is to forget that it's in the nature of science to behave itself thus. For if it decided to assume a dogmatic air, it would itself become a church.

When one says that God provokes the lightning, that's true in a sense; but what is certain is that God does not direct the thunderbolt, as the Church claims. The Church's explanation of natural phenomena is an abuse, for the Church has ulterior interests. True piety is the characteristic of the being who is aware of his weakness and ignorance. Whoever sees God only in an oak or in a tabernacle, instead of seeing Him everywhere, is not truly pious. He remains attached to appearances — and when the sky thunders and the lightning strikes, he trembles simply from fear of being struck as a punishment for the sin he's just committed.

I know nothing of the Other World, and I have the honesty to admit it. Other people know more about it than I do, and I'm incapable of proving that they're mistaken. I don't dream of imposing my philosophy on a village girl. Although religion does not aim at seeking for the truth, it is a kind of philosophy which can satisfy simple minds, and that does no harm to anyone. Everything is finally a matter of the feeling man has of his own impotence. In itself, this philosophy has nothing pernicious about it. The essential thing, really, is that man should know that salvation consists in the effort that each person makes to understand Providence and accept the laws of nature.

Since all violent upheavals are a calamity, I would prefer the adaptation to be made without shocks. What could be longest left undisturbed are women's convents. The sense of the inner life brings people great enrichment. What we must do, then, is to extract from religions the poison they contain. In this respect, great progress has been made during recent centuries.

When I was younger, I thought it was necessary to set about matters with dynamite. I've since realized that there's room for a little subtlety. The rotten branch falls of itself. The final state must be: in St. Peter's Chair, a senile officiant; facing him, a few sinister old women, as gaga and as poor in spirit as anyone could wish. The young and healthy are on our side. Against a Church that identifies itself with the State, as in England, I have nothing to say. But, even so, it's impossible eternally to hold humanity in bondage with lies. After all, it was only between the sixth and eighth centuries that Christianity was imposed on our Folks by princes who had an alliance of interests with the shavelings. Our Folks had previously succeeded in living all right without this religion. I have six Divisions of SS composed of men absolutely indifferent in matters of religion. It doesn't prevent them from going to their deaths with serenity in their souls.

What is this God who takes pleasure only in seeing men grovel before him? Try to picture to yourselves the meaning of the following, quite simple story: God creates the conditions for sin. Later on he succeeds, with the help of the Devil, in causing man to sin. Then he employs a virgin to bring into the world a son who, by his death, will redeem humanity!

I can imagine people being enthusiastic about the paradise of Mohammed, but as for the insipid paradise of the Christians! In your lifetime, you used to hear the music of Richard Wagner. After your death, it will be nothing but hallelujahs, the waving of palms, children of an age for the feeding bottle, and hoary old men. The man of the isles pays homage to the forces of nature. But Christianity is an invention of sick brains: one could imagine nothing more senseless, nor any more indecent way of turning the idea of the Godhead into a mockery. A nigger with his taboos is crushingly superior to the human being who seriously believes in transubstantiation.

I begin to lose all respect for humanity when I think that some people on our side, ministers or generals, are capable of believing that we cannot triumph without the blessing of the Church. Such a notion is excusable in little children who have learned nothing else.

For thirty years [i.e. 1618-1648] the Germans tore each other to pieces simply in order to know whether or not they should take communion in both kinds. There's nothing lower than religious notions like that. From that point of view, one can envy the Japanese. They have a religion which is very simple and brings them into contact with nature. They've succeeded even in taking Christianity and turning it into a religion that's less shocking to the intellect.

By what would you have me replace the Christians' picture of the Beyond? What comes naturally to mankind is the sense of eternity, and that sense is at the bottom of every man. The soul and the mind migrate, just as the body returns to nature. Thus life is eternally reborn from life. As for the 'why' of all that, I feel no need to rack my brains on the subject. The soul is unplumbable.

If there is a God, at the same time as he gives man life he gives him intelligence. By regulating my life according to the understanding that is granted me, I may be mistaken, but I act in good faith.

Man judges everything in relation to himself. What is bigger than himself is big, what is smaller is small. Only one thing is certain, that one is part of the spectacle. Everyone finds his own role. Joy exists for everybody. I dream of a state of affairs in which every man would know that he lives and dies for the preservation of the species. It's our duty to encourage that idea: let the man who distinguishes himself in the service of the species be thought worthy of the highest honors.

What a happy inspiration, to have kept the clergy out of the Party! On the 21st March, 1933, at Potsdam, the question was raised: with the Church, or without the Church? I conquered the State despite the malediction pronounced on us by both creeds. On that day, we went directly to the tomb of the kings whilst the others were visiting religious services. Supposing that at that period I'd made a pact with the Churches, I'd today be sharing the lot of The Duce. By nature The Duce is a freethinker, but he decided to choose the path of concessions. For my part, in his place I'd have taken the path of revolution. I'd have entered the Vatican and thrown everybody out — reserving the right to apologize later: 'Excuse me, it was a mistake!' But the result would have been, they'd have been outside!

When all is said, we have no reason to wish that the Italians and Spaniards should free themselves from the drug of Christianity. Let's be the only Folk who are immunized against the disease.

Kerrl, with the noblest of intentions, wanted to attempt a synthesis between National Socialism and Christianity. I don't believe the thing's possible, and I see the obstacle in Christianity itself.

I think I could have come to an understanding with the popes of the Renaissance. Obviously, their Christianity was a danger on the practical level — and, on the propaganda level, it continued to be a lie.

But a pope, even a criminal one, who protects great artists and spreads beauty around him, is nevertheless more sympathetic to me than the protestant minister who drinks from the poisoned spring.

Pure Christianity — the Christianity of the catacombs — is concerned with translating the Christian doctrine into facts. It leads quite simply to the annihilation of mankind. It is merely whole hearted Bolshevism, under a tinsel of metaphysics.

Man has been given his brain to think with. But if he has the misfortune to make use of it, he finds a swarm of black bugs [i.e. priests] on his heels. The mind is doomed to the auto-da-fé.

The observatory I'll have built at Linz, on the Pöstlingberg, I can see it in my mind ... In future, thousands of excursionists will make a pilgrimage there every Sunday. They'll thus have access to the greatness of our universe. The pediment will bear this motto: 'The heavens proclaim the glory of the everlasting.' It will be our way of giving men a religious spirit, of teaching them humility — but without the priests.

Man seizes hold, here and there, of a few scraps of truth, but he couldn't rule nature. He must know that, on the contrary, he is dependent on Creation. And this attitude leads further than the superstitions maintained by the Church. Christianity is the worst of the regressions that mankind can ever have undergone, and it's the Jew who, thanks to this diabolic invention, has thrown him back 15 centuries. The only thing that would be still worse would be victory for the Jew through Bolshevism. If Bolshevism triumphed, mankind would lose the gift of laughter and joy. It would become merely a shapeless mass, doomed to grayness and despair.

The priests of antiquity were closer to nature, and they sought modestly for the meaning of things. Instead of that, Christianity promulgates its inconsistent dogmas and imposes them by force. Such a religion carries within it intolerance and persecution. It's the bloodiest conceivable ...

For Ptolemy, the Earth was the center of the world. That changed with Copernicus. Today we know that our solar system is merely a solar system amongst many others. What could we do better than allow the greatest possible number of people like us to become aware of these marvels?

In any case, we can be grateful to Providence, which causes us to live today rather than 300 years ago. At every street corner, in those days, there was a blazing stake. What a debt we owe to the men who had the courage — the first to do so — to rebel against lies and intolerance. The admirable thing is that amongst them were Jesuit Fathers.

In their fight against the Church, the Russians are purely negative. We, on the other hand, should practise the cult of the heroes who enabled humanity to pull itself out of the rut of error. Kepler lived at Linz, and that's why I chose Linz as the place for our observatory. His mother was accused of witchcraft and was tortured several times by the Inquisition.

To open the eyes of simple people, there's no better method of instruction than the picture. Put a small telescope in a village, and you destroy a world of superstitions. One must destroy the priest's argument that science is changeable because faith does not change, since, when presented in this form, the statement is dishonest.

The book that contains the reflections of the Emperor Julian should be circulated in millions. What wonderful intelligence! What discernment, all the wisdom of antiquity! It's extraordinary!

It is a great pity that this tendency towards religious thought can find no better outlet than the Jewish pettifoggery of the Old Testament, for a religious Folk who, in the solitude of winter, continually seek ultimate light on their religious problems with the assistance of the Bible, must eventually become spiritually deformed. The wretched Folk strive to extract truths from these Jewish chicaneries, where in fact no truths exist. As a result they become embedded in some rut of thought or other and, unless they possess an exceptionally commonsense mind, degenerate into religious maniacs.

It is deplorable that the Bible should have been translated into German, and that the whole of the German Folk should have thus become exposed to the whole of this Jewish mumbo jumbo. So long as the wisdom, particularly of the Old Testament, remained exclusively in the Latin of the Church, there was little danger that sensible people would become the victims of illusions as the result of studying the Bible. But since the Bible became common property, a whole heap of people have found opened to them lines of religious thought which — particularly in conjunction with the German characteristic of persistent and somewhat melancholy meditation — as often as not turned them into religious maniacs. When one recollects further that the Catholic Church has elevated to the status of Saints a whole number of madmen, one realizes why movements such as that of the Flagellants came inevitably into existence in the Middle Ages in Germany.

The Ten Commandments are a code of living to which there's no refutation. These precepts correspond to irrefragable needs of the human soul; they're inspired by the best religious spirit; and the Churches here support themselves on a solid foundation.

Is there a single religion that can exist without a dogma? No, for in that case it would belong to the order of science. Science cannot explain why natural objects are what they are. And that's where religion comes in, with its comforting certainties. When incarnated in the Churches, religion always finds itself in opposition to life. So the Churches would be heading for disaster, and they know it, if they didn't cling to a rigid truth.

What is contrary to the visible truth must change or disappear — that's the law of life.

Research must remain free and unfettered by any State restriction. The facts which it establishes represent Truth, and Truth is never evil.

I shall never believe that what is founded on lies can endure for ever. I believe in Truth. I'm sure that, in the long run, Truth must be victorious.
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Did someone read this book?

Eckart (menthor of Hitler) had been Crowley student

If it is true that Crowley have impact of Hitler,all is clear,it would means that Hitler had been puppet in hands of Kabbalists in short.

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Crowley was intrigued by the rise of Nazism in Germany, and influenced by his friend Knüsel believed that Adolf Hitler might convert to Thelema; when the Nazis abolished the German O.T.O. and imprisoned Germer, who fled to the US, Crowley then lambasted Hitler as a black magician.
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Germer's visa gave out and he had to return to Germany in 1935. He was arrested by the Gestapo on 13 February 1935 for being an associate of the "High Grade Freemason Aleister Crowley". He was first held at the Columbia-Haus in Berlin and was then moved to the Esterwegen concentration camp.
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If 'Table Talks' is a forgery it's a good one! It is ideologically correct.





"Man has discovered in nature the wonderful notion of that almighty being whose law he worships..."

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"Fundamentally in everyone there is the feeling for this almighty, which we call 'God' (that is to say, the dominion of natural laws throughout the whole universe). The priests, who have always succeeded in exploiting this feeling, threaten punishments for the man who refuses to accept the creed they impose.

We do not want to educate anyone in atheism...."

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"If it were otherwise, nothing good would ever have existed. If we did not respect the laws of nature, imposing our will by the right of the stronger, a day would come when the wild animals would once again devour us — then the insects would eat the wild animals, and finally nothing would exist on Earth but the microbes."

Order and Chaos dichotomy


"An educated man retains the sense of the mysteries of nature and bows before the unknowable. An uneducated man, on the other hand, runs the risk of going over to atheism (which is a return to the state of the animal) as soon as he perceives that the State, in sheer opportunism, is making use of false ideas in the matter of religion, whilst in other fields it bases everything on pure science.

That's why I've always kept the Party aloof from religious questions."


"There are some who say the world is evil, and that they wish to depart from this life. For my part, I like the world! Unless the desire to die is due to a lover's quarrel, I advise the desperate man to have patience for a year. The consolations will come. But if a human being has any other reason to wish to die than this, then let him die, I'm not stopping him. I merely call attention to the fact that one cannot escape this world entirely. The elements of which our body is made belong to the cycle of nature; and as for our soul, it's possible that it might return to limbo, until it gets an opportunity to reincarnate itself. But it would vex me if everybody wanted to have done with life...."

Reincarnation





"Were an Asiatic to ask me for a definition of Europe, I should be forced to answer him: It is that part of the world which is haunted by the incredible delusion that man was created out of nothing, and that his present birth is his first entrance into life."

- Arthur Schopenhauer, 19th century German philosopher




"By what would you have me replace the Christians' picture of the Beyond? What comes naturally to mankind is the sense of eternity, and that sense is at the bottom of every man. The soul and the mind migrate, just as the body returns to nature. Thus life is eternally reborn from life. As for the 'why' of all that, I feel no need to rack my brains on the subject. The soul is unplumbable."

Reincarnation


"One may ask whether the disappearance of Christianity would entail the disappearance of belief in God. That's not to be desired. The notion of divinity gives most men the opportunity to concretize the feeling they have of supernatural realities. Why should we destroy this wonderful power they have of incarnating the feeling for the divine that is within them? "

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"The man who lives in communion with nature necessarily finds himself in opposition to the Churches. And that's why they're heading for ruin — for science is bound to win."

Deistic


"When one says that God provokes the lightning, that's true in a sense; but what is certain is that God does not direct the thunderbolt, as the Church claims. The Church's explanation of natural phenomena is an abuse, for the Church has ulterior interests. True piety is the characteristic of the being who is aware of his weakness and ignorance. Whoever sees God only in an oak or in a tabernacle, instead of seeing Him everywhere, is not truly pious."

Pantheistic



"Research must remain free and unfettered by any State restriction. The facts which it establishes represent Truth, and Truth is never evil.

I shall never believe that what is founded on lies can endure for ever. I believe in Truth. I'm sure that, in the long run, Truth must be victorious."

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It doesn't means that Crowley didn't have impact on NS (Eckart is his student I wrote in internet) also I put book about conversation between he and Hitler but he is limited and have high price, I read his Crowley "book of law" and this is monstruous book who told that people must use drugs and sacrafice children,but I think that he Nietzsche had impact on him because he say :"Nietzsche may be regarded as one of our prophets" but Nietzsche is atheist and don't have any relationip with theism here is another quote from "Medusas head" [I]Hitler: “And are you an angel of darkness?” Crowley: “You’ll find out in good time all about me. For the present, I’ll say this: if I were an angel of light, you wouldn’t want to know me.”
Also I read that Crowley said:before Hitler I was" he wrote book named "Atlantis" when he speak about race but I am not wrote this and one documentary movie named as "occult of third reich" I saw that NS was obssessed with Atlantis and race who rollled in this areas intrepretation also Rudolf Glandeck von Sebottendorff man is interest and intepretation of this britihs Grand Lodge about man,founder of Thule http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/anti-mason...endorff_r.html

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Sebottendorff’s real association with Freemasonry is difficult to determine, although it appears that he was initiated into an irregular body of the Rite of Memphis under the Grand Orient of France.5 From his own writings it is clear that his version of Freemasonry incorporated aspects of Islamic Sufi mysticism, alchemy, astrology and Rosicrucianism. In his autobiographical novel Der Talisman des Rosenkreuzers (The Rosicrucian Talisman), he made a clear distinction between Turkish Freemasonry and regular Freemasonry:
"It must be shown that Oriental Freemasonry still retains faithfully even today the ancient teachings of wisdom forgotten by modern Freemasonry, whose Constitution of 1717 was a departure from the true way." "We look at our world as a product of the people. The Freemason looks at it as a product of conditions..."
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Sebottendorff, expelled from Germany in 1923 as an undesirable alien, returned in 1933. With his book, Bevor Hitler Kam, banned by the Bavarian political police on March I, 1934, and the Thule Group dissolved, Sebottendorff was arrested by the Gestapo, interned in a concentration camp and then expelled to Turkey, where he committed suicide by jumping into the Bosporus on May 9, 1945 upon hearing of the German surrender.
SImilar situation as with Crowley frined. Can we conclude that NS in spirit look teking some spirit looks by other and adjust from themselves or something else? I before more than year speak on forum with member of O.T.O. (I think that he is jew,he denied this,I gave ban,but when I look his post after this he recommended one popular jew book in my land by one jewish comunity who interprets judaism and I think 99% that he is jew)and he called me as ultra-rightist and was on side of jews,I think that spirit look of NS is really complex just because impact of some mans of freemasonry,this is little confusing because in Mein Kampf I didn't read any spirit form of NS,well exist another "Zweites Buch" by Hitler ,If you read this did write in this book sometthing about spirit?

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It doesn't means that Crowley didn't have impact on NS (Eckart is his student I wrote in internet) also I put book about conversation between he and Hitler but he is limited and have high price, I read his Crowley "book of law" and this is monstruous book who told that people must use drugs and sacrafice children,but I think that he Nietzsche had impact on him because he say :"Nietzsche may be regarded as one of our prophets" but Nietzsche is atheist and don't have any relationip with theism here is another quote from "Medusas head" [I]Hitler: “And are you an angel of darkness?” Crowley: “You’ll find out in good time all about me. For the present, I’ll say this: if I were an angel of light, you wouldn’t want to know me.”
Also I read that Crowley said:before Hitler I was" he wrote book named "Atlantis" when he speak about race but I am not wrote this and one documentary movie named as "occult of third reich" I saw that NS was obssessed with Atlantis and race who rollled in this areas intrepretation also Rudolf Glandeck von Sebottendorff man is interest and intepretation of this britihs Grand Lodge about man,founder of Thule http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/anti-mason...endorff_r.html

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SImilar situation as with Crowley frined. Can we conclude that NS in spirit look teking some spirit looks by other and adjust from themselves or something else? I before more than year speak on forum with member of O.T.O. (I think that he is jew,he denied this,I gave ban,but when I look his post after this he recommended one popular jew book in my land by one jewish comunity who interprets judaism and I think 99% that he is jew)and he called me as ultra-rightist and was on side of jews,I think that spirit look of NS is really complex just because impact of some mans of freemasonry,this is little confusing because in Mein Kampf I didn't read any spirit form of NS,well exist another "Zweites Buch" by Hitler ,If you read this did write in this book sometthing about spirit?
There are many lies and falsehoods flying around in books written after the war on the subject and on the internet. I'd suggest you stay away from reading anything by that loon Crowley or his acolytes, and also be very doubtful about any claims made by sensationalist writers. There's a drive to establish connections between Hitler, NS, and any sort of possible evil imaginable, depends on the writer's religion or ideology to find such connections, but from my view the situation is pretty strait forward: while some leading characters in NS may have had a penchant for the occult (Himmler and Rosenberg), this was marginal and in no way important to the overall course of events. Best thing to do is read the original books, documents, speeches made in that period by key people in NS, see history as it was.

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National Socialism is not a cult-movement - a movement for worship; it is exclusively a 'volkic' political doctrine based upon racial principles. In its purpose there is no mystic cult, only the care and leadership of a people defined by a common blood-relationship. Therefore we have no rooms for worship, but only halls for the people - no open spaces for worship, but spaces for assemblies and parades. We have no religious retreats, but arenas for sports and playing-fields, and the characteristic feature of our places of assembly is not the mystical gloom of a cathedral, but the brightness and light of a room or hall which combines beauty with fitness for its purpose. In these halls no acts of worship are celebrated, they are exclusively devoted to gatherings of the people of the kind which we have come to know in the course of our long struggle; to such gatherings we have become accustomed and we wish to maintain them. We will not allow mystically-minded occult folk with a passion for exploring the secrets of the world beyond to steal into our Movement. Such folk are not National Socialists, but something else - in any case, something which has nothing to do with us. At the head of our program there stand no secret surmisings but clear-cut perception and straightforward profession of belief. But since we set as the central point of this perception and of this profession of belief the maintenance and hence the security for the future of a being formed by God, we thus serve the maintenance of a divine work and fulfill a divine will - not in the secret twilight of a new house of worship, but openly before the face of the Lord.
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There's a drive to establish connections between Hitler, NS, and any sort of possible evil imaginable, depends on the writer's religion or ideology to find such connections, but from my view the situation is pretty strait forward: while some leading characters in NS may have had a penchant for the occult (Himmler and Rosenberg), this was marginal and in no way important to the overall course of events. Best thing to do is read the original books, documents, speeches made in that period by key people in NS, see history as it was.


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https://archive.org/details/ZweitesB...lersSecretBook
I think that occult in NS isn't marginal because of "spiritual" impact of NS,already on symbolic level we can se swastika in position of Sun (see on 1:24)
) and she was taken from Thule society who was occult and who had impact on Hitler,also Himlers SS isn't marginal. Interesting is when Hitler write about Lord and Bormann text "relationship between NS and Christianity who I put",in Bormann text I can conclude that NS was pantheistic what I can't conclude about Hitler text in Zweites Buch because he write about face of Lord and phanteism don't have define in its philosophy something like "Lord face" similar told Hess I think on trial.

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I think that occult in NS isn't marginal because of "spiritual" impact of NS,already on symbolic level we can se swastika in position of Sun (see on 1:24)Hitler Reichstag Speech Roosevelt - YouTube ) and she was taken from Thule society who was occult and who had impact on Hitler,also Himlers SS isn't marginal. Interesting is when Hitler write about Lord and Bormann text "relationship between NS and Christianity who I put",in Bormann text I can conclude that NS was pantheistic what I can't conclude about Hitler text in Zweites Buch because he write about face of Lord and phanteism don't have define in its philosophy something like "Lord face" similar told Hess I think on trial.



Paganism and Pantheism is Theism as Christianity and Islam or any other spiritual religion,difference is only in interpretation of some theistic religion but basis is on spiritual.
A "spiritual" appeal is present in every political movement, every ideology has its form of mysticism, they all develop propaganda and symbols to enhance their appeal to actual and potential followers. But if you fail to see the principles, implementations and the people behind each and every one, then you're nothing more than a sheep. That's why for example so many get lost today in symbols, Mikael Skillt is one such example.
 
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Nico.

I have another 20 quality posts lined up which I plan to release every two/three weeks or so, and I would be grateful if you didn't ruin this thread with posts about Crowley and his occult leanings. Start another thread if you want to talk about Hitler being a devil worshiper or whatever you are intimating at.

You are correct about the NS Swastika being a Sun Symbol. I have googled some examples:
























































































So much for the NS Swastika being a symbol of hate! It is a symbol of eternity and life.
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A "spiritual" appeal is present in every political movement, every ideology has its form of mysticism, they all develop propaganda and symbols to enhance their appeal to actual and potential followers. But if you fail to see the principles, implementations and the people behind each and every one, then you're nothing more than a sheep. That's why for example so many get lost today in symbols, Mikael Skillt is one such example.
I read about principles in Mein Kampf but I know that they arising from something and I think that I woud be sheep If I wouldn't look global picture and roots of people who impact on NS and that's all,of course I will good study all for what I am interested.


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Nico.

I have another 20 quality posts lined up which I plan to release every two/three weeks or so, and I would be grateful if you didn't ruin this thread with posts about Crowley and his occult leanings. Start another thread if you want to talk about Hitler being a devil worshiper or whatever you are intimating at.

You are correct about the NS Swastika being a Sun Symbol. I have several pictures with the Sun and Swastika. Here are a few examples:
I just put book who are limited and I can't find she in free in pdf and who enough costs for me named as "medusas head" and that is all. Thanks you for suggestion for me about possible opening topic but I am not interested for this and also I didn't say nothing about devil worshiper but I said something of people who inpacted on "spirit" about German NS and that is all. Well,I know that swastika is probably symbol god of Sun,right? I just this noted as reaction on posts who I wrote that occult is marginal.
 
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THE HOLY BOOK OF ADOLF HITLER, is called by many the Bible of neo-Nazism and of esoteric Hitlerism. This powerful work not only examines the successes and triumphs of Adolf Hitler, it additionally provides an inspiring template for the reunification of the West under the banner of a strong, pro-White government that will not bow down to the forces of money or jews. The history of the Germanic peoples are traced back into antiquity, the contemporary problems of the day are examined in an even light, and the corresponding destiny of the people of the West is laid bare for all to see. There are two parts to this book 'The German Revelation' & 'The Book of Aryan Wisdom and Laws'. Battersby covers many different topics explaining Germany's role and what was really happening during WWII. This is a must read for students of National Socialism. ''For the Germanic peoples true religion is founded in race." First published in Britain in 1952.

THE HOLY BOOK OF ADOLF HITLER PART ONE



THE HOLY BOOK OF ADOLF HITLER PART TWO


James (Jim) Larratt Battersby (1907 - September 29, 1955) is the author of The Holy Book of Adolf Hitler. He was a British fascist who was interned June 1940 during the war. Three years later he was released from interment and developed a religious mania believing Hitler to be Christ returned.[1]

In 1947, he founded The League of Christian Reformers and published a magazine called Kingdom Herald. In addition to The Holy Book of Adolf Hitler he published And The Bishop Said Amen.

Battersby is said to have committed suicide in 1955 by jumping into the paddles of the Mersey ferry. On him a suicide note read, “Though the sacrifice of the Aryan martyr the world victory is assured. Heil Hitler.”[2]



http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/James_Larratt_Battersby

While it is obvious that Alfred Rosenberg's 'positive Christianity' influenced the thinking of the author, this free online book is still a very good read overall.
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I had to obey the Law...
Adolf Eichmann Dies on the Gallows;
Self-Possessed, Defiant to the End



By Arye Wallenstein, Reuters.



Eichmann's hand held aloft in the gesture of the NS Holy Oath


"I swear by God this sacred oath that I will obey without question the Führer of the German Reich and people, to Adolf Hitler, Supreme Commander of the Armed Forces, and that I am prepared as a brave soldier to lay my life on the line at any time for this oath."



TEL AVIV, June - (Friday) 1962


I watched Adolf Eichmann hang. He dropped through the gallows trapdoor to his death just before midnight.

Eichmann was calm, self-possessed and defiant to the end.

Just before the noose was put around his neck, he said:

"Long live Germany, long live Argentina, long live Austria ... I had to obey the laws of war and my flag. "I am ready."

He then looked at the journalists facing him from a yard or so away, and with a ghostly smile on his lips, said:

"After a short while, gentlemen, we shall meet again - so that is the fate of all men. I have been believing in God all my life, and I die a believer in God."

Eichmann, 56, was the first man to be executed in the Jewish state since Israel was established 14 years ago.

A few hours before his execution, President Yitshak Ben Zvi rejected Eichmann's last plea for mercy. A terse official announcement, said:

"The President of the state of Israel has decided not to exercise his prerogative to pardon offenders or reduce sentences in the case of Adolf Eichmann."

Eichmann, 'former head of the Gestapo's Department for Jewish Affairs', was sentenced to death for playing "a central and decisive part" in the planning and implementation of the Nazi program to exterminate six-million European Jews.

Israel's Supreme Court, in rejecting his appeal; described him as a "fanatical enthusiast" and spoke of his insatiable blood-thirstiness" in, carrying out "these unspeakably horrible crimes."

Eichmann's body was cremated early today and the ashes scattered on the high seas, an official communique announced. The cremation took place on board an Israeli police boat.



- The announcement said:

"A similar procedure was followed with the remains of the Nazi war criminals executed by order of the Nuremberg International Tribunal."

The gallows on which he died last night were in a small room - only 3 1/2 - by 4 yards in size—at Ranileb Prison near here, which was surrounded by a cordon of security men.

Eichmann's last minutes on earth were marked by neither remorse nor repentance.

In a cloak and-dagger operation, I was taken from a house in Tel Aviv to the police station at Ramleh from which, about after an hour later; I was escorted into the heavily guarded prison compound surrounded by a double perimeter of barbed wire.

Minutes later, as I sat in a small room adjoining the improvised gallows chamber, I was told by the prison warden, Shmut Yogev: "In five minutes the condemned man will be walking into the room next door."

Three minutes later I heard in the corridor outside a firm voice barking "forward march," in Hebrew.

The Canadian evangelist missionary: the Rev. William Hull, appeared in the corridor and right behind him I saw Adolf Eichmann, flanked by two guards to whom he was manacled.

Eichmann looked no different than he did in his bulletproof glass cage in the Jerusalem courtroom. But here he was dressed in a simple brown open-necked shirt, and slacks to match.

He walked erect and looked straight forward. His face was pale and drawn.

A few seconds later, Eichmann stood under the noose, with three guards tying his hands behind his back, his ankles and his knees.

I heard Eichmann speak the first words he uttered in the death chamber:-"it's too tight. I can't stand."

A guard loosened the knot around his knees.

Beside me, Mr. Hull was saying in a low voice: "Jesus, Jesus."

Seconds, ticked by. The noose hanging from an iron chain tied to a wooden crossbeam was placed around Eichmann's neck.


THE EICHMANN TRIAL



OR THE NEW MASTER SINGERS OF NUREMBERG -
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When a guard holding a black hood in his hands asked Eichmann, "Do you want it?' he answered "I don't want it."

He then turned to the reporters facing him and said, "Long live Germany, long live Argentina, long live Austria. These are the three countries with which I have been linked most, and which I shall never forget.

'I greet my wife, my family and my friends.

'I had to obey the law of the war and my flag.

"I am ready."

Eichmann's face was ashen, but I could detect a defiant expression on it as he spoke to us his very last words in German.

He said he was a "gottgläubig" - a believer In God - which was the Nazi expression for Christians who had left the church under the directives of the party, but still professed to believe in God.

A voice boomed out in Hebrew: "Mukhan" (ready).

The noose was in position. Eichmann's eyes were half shut, head turned slightly to the left, his glance fixed on the floor.

A second "Mukhan" was heard, and I was aware of some movement from behind a curtain on my right.

The square, black-painted trap door under Eichmann's feet snapped down, the rope became taut, and Eichmann dropped into the dark pit under the scaffold.

Mr. Hull, standing beside me, said in a low voice, "Jesus Christ..."

I approached the trap-door and looked down. Eichmann's body was hanging with almost no swing. Later the prison doctor said death was instantaneous.

Eichmann was told by Prisons Commissioner Arieh Mir, about four hours before his execution, that the President would not exercise his prerogative to commute the death sentence.

His only reaction, according to NIB, was a clipped Jawohl" (all right).

I had the impression that Eichmann received the news calmly and in a resigned manner. Eichmann was not told at the time when the execution would take place, the commissioner added.

The condemned man merely asked for a bottle of wine of which he drank half. His last meal, which he ate five hours before his execution. Included cheese, bread, olives and tea—the usual prison supper, guards said.

One of Eichmann's last requests was for permission to read two letters from his family which he was told had arrived for him during the day.

Only a few minutes before midnight, he was led out of his death cell, to walk the 50 yards to the gallows chamber.

He had to climb only one step on this last walk, from one-wing of the prison to another, along a corridor lined by empty cells.


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"After a short while, gentlemen, we shall meet-again - so that is the fate of all men. I have been believing in God all my life, and I die a believer in God."

Mr. Hull saw Eichmann in the death cell shortly before the hanging. Later he told me: "Eichmann today refused to discuss the Bible. He said 'I have no time to waste on it.' "

He described Eichmann as "quite defiant in his manner."

"I asked him if he had changed his mind about confessing in Christ," the evangelist said. "He said he had peace in his heart, he was ready to die, and that death would be a release for his soul.

"I asked if he had a message for his wife. He said: 'tell her I take it calmly. That I have peace in my heart, and this is proof to me that my belief is correct'"

Mr. Hull explained his attempts to save Eichmann's soul and told me that at one time he had hopes of achieving some measure of success.

"But today I would say he either changed his mind during the past week, or had been deceiving us earlier," the pastor said.

During the two hours I spent in Ramleh Prison compound I saw no other prisoners and could hear no sound from the other wings.

The town of Ramleh was under a blanket of mist, as I drove through it on my way back to Tel Aviv. There was hardly a soul in the dark streets.



Gottgläubig to the end: "Gottgläubig war ich im Leben, und gottgläubig sterbe ich."



Adolf Eichmann: Born March 19, 1906, Solingen, Germany. Executed May 31, 1962, Ramla, Israel.
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