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Old March 13th, 2009 #1
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Let this tread be about Macedonia and Macedonians..news from most unstabile region in Balcan....
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Old March 13th, 2009 #2
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Give us non-Macedonians a brief synopsis of the goings on there, bmwbiker. What is the cause of the instability?
 
Old March 13th, 2009 #3
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Give us non-Macedonians a brief synopsis of the goings on there, bmwbiker. What is the cause of the instability?
Let me.

Albanian muslim problems and "friendly" christian problems. Every one want's piece of Macedonian land.
 
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What are the most direct descendants of Philip II of Macedon, Alexander the Great etc...? Is it the FYROMians? Or is it some other people?
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Old March 14th, 2009 #5
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What are the most direct descendants of Philip II of Macedon, Alexander the Great etc...? Is it the FYROMians? Or is it some other people?

There is no such a thing as fyromians.
The most direct descendants of PII and AIII are Macedonians
 
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Anti-Greek protests in Skopje

10 April 2010 | 10:29 | Source: Beta

SKOPJE -- About 50 members of Macedonian non-governmental organizations protested in front of the Greek embassy in Skopje.

The protest was organized in response to a parade held recently in Athens at which Greek soldiers were chanting anti-Macedonian and ant-Albanian slogans.

One of the chants said that they “would make clothes out of the skin of Macedonians and Albanians."

The protest in Skopje, entitled “Stop Greek Fascism,” was secured by a large number of police officers and ended without incident.

The protesters said that Macedonia would never abandon its constitutional name.

The NGO members carried maps of Great Macedonia, stretching to the Aegean Sea, sang patriotic songs, and gave embassy officials a letter of protest and a demand for an apology from Greece.

The Macedonian Foreign Ministry also delivered a letter of protest to the Greek ambassador in Macedonia, who called the soldiers’ chanting an “isolated incident.”
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Macedonia: Thousands of ethnic Albanians protest jailing of co-nationals

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Skopje, 11 May (AKI) - Thousands of ethnic Albanians on Friday protested in the capital Skopje and several other cities over the jailing of five of their co-nationals in connection of killing of five Macedonians last April.

Demonstrators carried banners “Muslims are not terrorists”, “Pristina, Tirana – ethnic Albania” and glorifying the Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA), which fought for Kosovo independence from Serbia.

Demonstrators smashed windows on the government building in Skopje, but there were no other major incidents. Protests were also held in other Albanian-populated cities like Tetovo, Debar, Kicevo, Struga and Gostivar.

Macedonian police have said April killings of four Macedonian youths and a middle aged man, while fishing on a lake near Skopje, were carried out by a “terrorist group of radical Islamists”.

Five people were arrested, but the main perpetrators managed to escape across the border to neighboring Kosovo, the police said.

Kosovo majority Albanians declared independence from Serbia in 2008, which Belgrade opposes, but it has been recognized by over eighty countries, including the United States and 22 out of 27 EU members.

Ethnic Albanians make about 25 per cent of Macedonia’s two million population. They rebelled in 2001, demanding more rights in regional autonomy, but the dispute was resolved through international mediation with most Albanian demands met.

Demonstrators on Friday carried banners demanding unification with Albania and Kosovo in a single “ethnic Albanian state”.


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Old February 19th, 2010 #8
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Wahhabis under surveillance in FYROM

February 18, 2010 – 3:42 am

Spokesman for the interior ministry in Skopje, Ivo Kotevski, reiterated that Wahhabis in Macedonia are under surveillance and that the authorities are intensely cooperating with “our strategic partners” especially with the Americans.

This generic comment came to the Skopje’s daily Utrinski Vesnik whose report, wanting to argue that Wahhabis recruiting success comes, allegedly, from the poorest Muslim Albanian strata, actually reveals that, immediately following the raid on Wahhabis in the Bosnian village, Serbia has sent a warning to Skopje that a Wahhabi attack may be imminent.

Utrinski Vesnik quotes a statement by Serbia’s judge Maja Kovacevic-Tomic as saying that “there is a recording from surveillance of one of the charged, and he talks about a plan for an attack on an unidentified individual in Macedonia. He does not mention the place nor the location, nor names of who will do the attack”.

That judge also said that these Wahhabis from the Bosnian village of Gornja Maoca spoke on the phone with Wahhabis in Skopje.

So, why is a judge passing on prosecutorial evidence over to a third party?

If a judge is allowed to do that, what’s their purpose in the court but more importantly, who is running intelligence operations in Serbia: trained spies or judges steeped in legal jingoism?

At any rate, back in January, Israeli officials warned the visiting Macedonia’s Prime Minister that Islamic extremists are planning attacks in the Balkans and will use Muslim Albanians and Bosnians, who have European features, to do so.

Utrinski Vesnik says that Saudis have been funding local Wahhabis and they now control the most popular mosques that local Albanians attend: Jaja-Pasha Mosque (C), Sultan Murat (D) as well as the not pictured on the map below Allahdza Mosque and Tutunsus.

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At any rate, back in January, Israeli officials warned the visiting Macedonia’s Prime Minister that Islamic extremists are planning attacks in the Balkans and will use Muslim Albanians and Bosnians, who have European features, to do so.
ha ha.. let's hope that they target kwans and jews, although I doubt they will considering Amerikwa under Clinton and his jews paved the way for them to enter the region.
Crescent moon peasants and kwans have a long history of co operation against the hated Russian and Serbian enemy.
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April 13, 2012 | 15:02

Reports: Situation tense in wake of Macedonia murders

Source: B92, Beta, Tanjug

SKOPJE -- The bodies of five men, believed to have been murdered late on Thursday, were found near the Macedonian capital of Skopje, the Macedonian police said.


Macedonian police are seen near the scene of the murders (Tanjug)


Police did not reveal the identities of the victims, but local residents "presume that they are of Macedonian ethnicity", said media reports.

The victims are believed to be four young residents of the Skopje suburb of Radišani, all in their early 20s, and a local 45-year-old villager.

The local man is believed to have stumbled upon the scene by accident before he was killed.

Villagers who live near the scene where the bodies were found in the village of Creshevo said that they heard shots fired at around 20:00 CET on Thursday, and that the victims were discovered close to an artificial lake, where they most likely spent Thursday afternoon fishing.

Unofficial reports from Macedonia on Friday said that villagers from Smiljkovci and Creshevo, who are blaming ethnic Albanians for the murders, are blocking roads, while in Radišani Albanian houses are reportedly being "stoned", while a bus has been "set on fire".

The bodies were found late last night by local fishermen. Two passenger cars, with doors open, could be seen nearby.

Macedonian police are yet to confirm the veracity of these statements, or give any other details. They kept the scene cordoned off as forensic experts and an investigative judge were collecting evidence.

Macedonian media in the meantime report that the victims were killed execution-style: made to stand one next to another before they were shot, with four of the five bodies found in a position suggestive of this theory.
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May 3, 2012 | 13:04

Police release names of suspects in Macedonia murders

Source: Tanjug

SKOPJE -- Nine out of 20 arrested persons suspected of a quintuple murder in Macedonia have been remanded in custody for 30 days.



The nine suspects were remanded in custody for 30 days on Thursday morning.

A 60-year-old woman has been placed under house arrest due to poor health. The remaining ten persons have been remanded in custody for 48 hours.

Macedonian police (MUP) released photographs of 32-year-old Afrim Ismailovik, 33-year-old Agim Ismailovik and 27-year-old Alil Demiri who committed the murders. However, only Agim Ismailovik was arrested while the other two men are on the run.

Terrorism charges were filed against the three men and Fejzi Aziri and Rami Sejdiu who acted as accomplices, the police have stated.

The weapons seized in the police operation were found at several locations.

The largest amount was found in 60-year-old Ferida Bilali’s home near the town of Kumanovo. Police discovered ammunition for automatic, semi-automatic weapons and machine guns. Radio stations, uniforms, shirts, insignia, IDs and a photo album with Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA) insignia were also found in Bilali’s house, the police added.

The weapons were also found in homes of Isni and Ramadan Asani, Nazif Mehmeti and Ibrahim Zajdini.

The police used special investigation measures such as surveillance and phone tapping during the operation.

Four young men aged between 18 and 22 and a local 45-year-old man were killed near Skopje on April 11. The bodies of the four young men were found near a dirt road and were placed next to each other which suggested they were probably executed. The fifth victim was found about 100 meters away from them.

The Macedonian police launched the Operation Monster early on Tuesday.
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Old March 14th, 2009 #13
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What are the most direct descendants of Philip II of Macedon, Alexander the Great etc...? Is it the FYROMians? Or is it some other people?

Low kick?

Only descendants to ancient Macedonians are modern Macedonians

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Only descendants to ancient Macedonians are modern Macedonians

Happy?
Yes I agree and this is what I have been asking.

So how do you define modern day Macedonians? Do they have a name? How do you tell which are direct descendants from ancient Macedonians? How do you classify ethnic-Macedonians (as in direct Descendant of ancient macedonians) from the others?

Are the people in this picture ethnic-Macedonians?

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Only descendants to ancient Macedonians are modern MacedoniansHappy?
I love all my kin, of course, but that bullshit (Ancient Macedonians = toaday's Macedonians), has to stop.

Q. What do you get if you wash a Macedonian?
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Macedonia seizes weapons after border shootout

Apr 30, 2010

Macedonia’s border police say they seized a large cache of weapons after a shootout with unidentified criminals near the country’s frontier with Kosovo.

Police spokesman Ivo Kotevski says no one was hurt in the gunbattle early Thursday involving police and a dozen gunmen near the Blace border crossing, 25 kilometers (16 miles) north of Macedonia’s capital, Skopje.

He says a “large amount” of explosives was found hidden in mountainous terrain near where the shootout took place, along with a machine gun, hand grenade launchers, automatic rifles and bullets.

Police described the gunman as criminals. But previous border cases have been blamed on ethnic Albanian militants linked to armed groups that fought Serbian rule in Kosovo in the late 1990s.

April 29, 2010
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August 2, 2012 | 20:59

Skopje announces first gay parade for 2013

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SKOPJE -- A Macedonian gay rights organization announced on Thursday that the first Pride Parade in Skopje would be held next year.

The organization - the Council of the LGBT United - held a meeting and decided to form a working body tasked with organizing the event.

However, the announcement today did not specify any date for the holding of the parade.

The statement added that all relevant organizations and institutions working to advance the human rights agenda - "such as embassies, state agencies, and regional LGBT organizations" - would be invited to join the activities of the working body.
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Serbia wants to mediate Greece-FYROM dispute

Jan 5, 2010

Serbia is offering to mediate the long-standing name dispute between Greece and FYRO Macedonia.

Greece wants Macedonia to amend its name, citing the name is a territorial claim against its own northern region of Macedonia. Greece’s new Socialist government recently said it will block Macedonia’s European Union accession talks, unless the name dispute between the two Balkan neighbors is resolved.

Serbian President Boris Tadic, who has friendly relations with Greece and Macedonia, said Tuesday that his country wants to help resolve the 18-year-old name dispute, which has undermined the stability of the Balkan region.

There was no immediate reaction from the two countries to Tadic’s offer.

Tadic also said that Serbia and Croatia should drop the genocide lawsuits they have filed against each other at the International Court of Justice.

In the suits, the two nations have accused each other of genocide during the 1991-95 Balkan war, which killed thousands of people.

President Boris Tadic of Serbia said Tuesday he is “deeply convinced that there is still room for an agreement.”

Tadic spoke a day after Serbia filed its lawsuit against Croatia at the Netherlands-based court in response to a similar one that Croatia filed against Serbia years ago.

There was no immediate reaction from Croatia to Tadic’s comment.

January 05, 2010
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This article is written by one of the greatest Macedonians in XX century, Krste Petkov Misirkov in the 1925.

Macedonian Nationalism

We, the Macedonian intelligentsia, undoubtedly bear the greatest responsibility for the situation facing our country today. There are, however, certain extenuating circumstances which might justify us in the eyes of our unfortunate fellow-countrymen, especially those who have been driven from their homes and are now forced to wander, unwelcome and unwanted, in various part's of Bulgaria.

For a full thirty years the Macedonians have been waging a heroic battle to release themselves from the yoke of Turkey. But at the same time the foreign propagandists have been infecting our country and demoralizing part of the population. The Macedonian intel-ligentsia have largely devoted themselves to revolutionary activity; but there have been some who have found other ways possibly no less important than that of the revolutionary struggle to ensure the success of Macedonia's endeavors.

My book On the Macedonian Matters, published in 1903 in Sofia, and my article On the Importance of the Moravian or Resavian Dialects for the Historical Ethnography of the Balkan Peninsula, have shown that some of the Macedonian intellectuals are seeking and have found, another way of fighting, i.e. an independent Macedonian scientific way of thinking and a Macedonian national Consciousness.

I do not regret having declared myself in favor of Macedonian separatism twenty-eight years ago. Separatism was for me, and remains, the only way out, the best means by which the Macedonian intelligentsia could pay back and continue to repay their debt towards their people.

In 1912, when I was asked by my fellow villagers what should be done if our village remained under Greek control, I answered: no matter under whose control this village may remain, you will stay where you are, you shall not move anywhere.

Maybe from the great-Bulgarian point of view my advice was not sufficiently patriotic, but from the Macedonian point of view this was the only proper advice.

But when the Greeks forced many Macedonians to flee to Bulgaria I should, as a Bulgarian, have been glad that the Bulgarian people had lost their land just as long as they had been spared from Hellenization.

But I am not glad that they were forced to move. Nor can I look at this question through the eyes of Mr. Mih. Madzharov (one of the editors of Mir B.K.) who says that the underground and the city industry of Bulgaria benefited from the arrival of the refugees.

Here my Macedonian patriotism overcomes my Bulgarian patriotism. The Macedonians are necessary to Macedonia; it is only with the Macedonians that Macedonia can belong to the Macedonians, never without them.

The Macedonians should either remain where they are and let the devil take care of them if he likes or, if it is their fate to be forced to move, they should move from one part of Macedonia to another, but this should still be Macedonia and not Bulgaria, Serbia, or Greece. If they are driven out of the Greek part of Macedonia, the Macedonians should move into the Serbian part of Macedonia and form military settlements to await the day when they might return to their homes.

You may say that a Bulgarian cannot reason like this. Yes, but a Macedonian can and should reason like this.

I hope it will not be held against me that I, as a Macedonian, place the interests of my country before all... I am a Macedonian, I have a Macedonian's consciousness, and so I have my own Macedonian view of the past, present, and future of my country and of all the South Slavs; and so I should like them to consult us, the Macedonians, about all the questions concerning us and our neighbors, and not have everything end merely with agreements between Bulgaria and Serbia about us - but without us … Note: This article was written after an agreement signed between Greece and Bulgaria in 1923, according to which a great number of Aegean Macedonians would be turned out of their homes and driven into Bulgaria during winter, under the worst possible conditions, when the Bulgarians had not made even the most rudimentary preparations for receiving, housing, and feeding tens and even hundreds of thousands of Macedonian refugees.

K. Misirkov: Macedonian Nationalism, “Mir”, 7427, 12. III 1925, 1.
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Ha, thank you much, I will be reading those.

EDIT: Okay I read it, it says that Greeks are the ennemy of Macedonian. But then he says that Bulgarian are allies to the Macedonian? But aren't Bulagrians the one who call themselves "FYROMians"? If so, aren't FYROMians ennemies of the Macedonians due to the fact that they are claming to be Macedonians because they say that they mixed with Macedonians?


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Well aivazovski88 is a Kavkazian, remember the Kavkazian Joseph Stalin who killed millions of White Russians?
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