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Old September 6th, 2008 #1
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Islam Over Christianity

I'd like to go over something surprisingly different from one of his last books that paints a more favorable view of Islam, at least in comparison to Christianity in Germany. At the very least, what we see here is a Nietzschean defense of Islam in its form of "the Moorish culture of Spain" over Christianity, and one will note that Nietzsche uses the word "Islam" as opposed to "Mohammedanism". Nietzsche apparently praised Islam for its higher—nobler—values that did not "corrupt" men the way Christianity did. He saw something about the German nobility that was in conflict with Christianity, but not with Islam.

The most remarkable thing of all is the quoting of Frederick II, who politically endorsed Islam in a way that would be unheard of in today's time (especially after the 9/11 and 7/7 -theater performances for gullible goyims).
Isn't it interesting to note that the Moors were not directly ethnic Arabs, but ethnic Africans—"black" or "dark-skinned" Muslims who embraced Arabic-Islamic culture. In any case, this is a discussion worth talking about.


Starting on page 652 of *The Portable Nietzsche in The Antichrist, Nietzsche writes:


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Christianity has cheated us out of the harvest of ancient culture;

later it cheated us again, out of the harvest of the culture of Islam
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[COLOR="Black"] The wonderful world of the Moorish culture of Spain[/COLOR], really more closely related to us, more congenial to our senses and tastes than Rome and Greece, was trampled down (I do not say by what kind of feet). [1] Why?

Because it owed its origin to noble, to male instincts, because it said Yes to life even with the rare and refined luxuries of Moorish life.
Later the crusaders fought something before which they might more properly have prostrated themselves in the dust—a culture compared to which even our nineteenth century might well feel very poor, very "late." To be sure, they wanted loot; the Orient was rich. One should not be so prejudiced. Crusades—higher piracy, nothing else! The German nobility, Viking nobility at bottom, was in its proper element here: the church knew only too well what it takes to get the German nobility.

The German nobility, always the "Swiss Guards" of the church, always in service of all the bad instincts of the church—but well paid. That the church should have used German swords, German blood and courage, to wage its war unto death against everything noble on earth! There are many painful questions at this point. The German nobility is almost missing in the history of higher culture: one guesses the reason—Christianity, alcohol, the two great means of corruption.

Really, there should not be any choice between Islam and Christianity, any more than between an Arab and a Jew. The decision is given; nobody is free to make any further choice. Either one is a Tschandala, or one is not. [2] "War to the knife against Rome! Peace and friendship with Islam"—thus felt, thus acted, that great free spirit, the genius among German emperors, Frederick II. How? Must a German first be a genius, a free spirit, to have decent feelings? I do not understand how a German could ever have Christian feelings.

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Isn't it interesting to note that the Moors were not directly ethnic Arabs, but ethnic Africans—"black" or "dark-skinned" Muslims who embraced Arabic-Islamic culture.
Err ... no, they weren't.
 
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Err ... no, they weren't.
I should have left that part out and should have concentrated on
the Tschandalas instead

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Moro is also used to describe all things dark, as in "Moor", "moreno", etc.; and it has led to many European surnames such as Moore, Mauro, Moura, and so on. The Milanese Duke Ludovico Il Moro was so-called because of his dark complexion.

This name could be also derived from the name of the one of the strongest dynasties in Islamic Iberia: the Almoravids, in Arabic Al-Murabitun or Al Moorabiteen 1060-1146 who ruled the northern western parts of Africa and some parts of Iberia. The name of Al Morabiteen was likely abbreviated to Moors with usage.
 
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Oops too bad, who cares?

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Err ... no, they weren't.
The Moors were largely indigenous North-Africans; the Berbers, or Imazighen in their own languages. Their features are generally somewhat lighter than an Arab.
 
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Frankly I'm tired of whites fighting Middle Eastern wars, dying for Middle Eastern religions, either Christianity or Judaism. It's sickening that we have replaced our own culture with a foreign one, and now we're replacing our race with foreign races. The transformation is almost complete.

Islam has failed Arabs racially, they have assimilated too much Negroid blood.
 
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Isn't it interesting to note that the Moors were not directly ethnic Arabs, but ethnic Africans—"black" or "dark-skinned" Muslims who embraced Arabic-Islamic culture. In any case, this is a discussion worth talking about.
Moors were a mix of Berber and Arab.

DNA from Moorish remains show only a contribution of 4% sub-Saharan African. They were not "black" or Negroid.


Portrait of a Moorish ambassador around the year 1600
 
Old September 7th, 2008 #8
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The Moors were largely indigenous North-Africans; the Berbers, or Imazighen in their own languages. Their features are generally somewhat lighter than an Arab.
The Berbers did not have that large of a population and they were Mediterraneans, the Moors were pure Arabs.
 
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Moors were a mix of Berber and Arab.

DNA from Moorish remains show only a contribution of 4% sub-Saharan African. They were not "black" or Negroid.


Portrait of a Moorish ambassador around the year 1600
The Moors are not a specific race of people. The word has never been clearly defined and remains ambiguous and confusing. This word has been broadly used to denote various people in North Africa, people who came from Morocco or simply to describe Muslims in general. Christians in the 13th century also referred to the Moors as "Moriscos" and "Mudejares".

Greek origin of the word 'Moor'
"Circa 46 B. C., the Roman army entered West Africa where they encountered black Africans whom they called ‘Maures’ from the Greek adjective mauros, meaning dark or black." Chandler, Wayne B. "The Moor: Light of Europe's Dark Age."

The Webster's New World Dictionary identifies Moors as "a member of Moslem people of mixed Arab and Berber descent." This deletion of "black" or "Negro" from the term Moor is generally recent. Though the word "Moor" originally seems to have been meant to indicate Blacks, it in time came to be applied to Muslims in general, especially the Berbers.
The word may have evolved from the Greek 'Mauros' which means 'dark'. The Greeks were in Spain around 500 BC, 300 years before the Romans. The Romans probably pinched it from the Greeks, complete with its original connotation of 'dark'. This might explain why the Latin 'Maurus' translates literally into 'Moors', with no further definition. Borrowing directly from the Greek meaning, this would have been good enough for the Romans to describe the 'dark' skinned people of North Africa. This is all conjecture of course, but its close enough for me.

In any case, the word was first applied officially to the indigenous people of a Roman province in North Africa called Mauretania (Latin = 'land of the Moors'). This roughly corresponds to present day North Morocco and Algeria. The name Morocco is another reminder of the region's "Moorish" past.

All this is confusing and especially the fact, that there was a "MOHR" in the catholic church of my childhood.
He was kneeling on a table - by day and night - not far from the altar above,
a pitchblack creature, whose head was moving (like the heads of jews in front of the wailing wall in Jerusalem) each time someone put money through his fontanelle.

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The Moors are not a specific race of people. The word has never been clearly defined and remains ambiguous and confusing.
It's not confusing at all. Look at the history of Berbers, look at the history of Arabs, and of North Africa, there is your evidence. Black sub-Saharan Africans were enslaved by Arabs and traveled through the region that way. Sub-Saharan blacks were not original to the area. DNA analysis of Moorish remains proves what race they were.
 
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It's not confusing at all. Look at the history of Berbers, look at the history of Arabs, and of North Africa, there is your evidence. Black sub-Saharan Africans were enslaved by Arabs and traveled through the region that way. Sub-Saharan blacks were not original to the area. DNA analysis of Moorish remains proves what race they were.
"But Lawrence Fishburne played Othello in a popular cinema production, while Morgan Freeman played that honourable Moor in Robin Hood who civilized the savage Englishmen.

Why would Hollywood cast African-Americans to play Moors if Moors were Arabs?

Moors were definitely black."

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Othello was not a black, Shakespeare never meant the character to be so. Othello was of the Moor Aristocracy, who were always white. Below is a picture of the Princess of Morocco. Princess Lalla was born in Morocco of Moroccan parents. The king looks like he might have a little nigger in him though.
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Her Royal Highness Princess Lalla Salma Bennani is the consort of His Majesty King Mohammed VI of Morocco. She is the first wife of a Moroccan ruler to have been publicly acknowledged and given a royal title.


These are all Moroccans

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Othello was not a black, ]
I guess your school did Macbeth instead. If you read the play you would have come across phrases such as "thick lips" and "Black ram". This play was racial, just like the merchant of Venice. It clearly depicted the paranoia and agression of the nigger beast...and the weakness of the white male to stop him. Even the Elizabethans had problems.
 
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I guess your school did Macbeth instead. If you read the play you would have come across phrases such as "thick lips" and "Black ram". This play was racial, just like the merchant of Venice. It clearly depicted the paranoia and agression of the nigger beast....
You are correct, those parts were not in the version I read. However, I read in other places he was a dark Arab and was based on the Moroccan ambassador to London. A dark Arab, who probably had a little nigger in him (Sand Nigger), would also fit the description. Also, almost all race mixing with the nigger has been white male/nigger woman.

Queen Elizabeth kicked the niggers out of England in 1599
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England in 1600, there were two decrees issued by Elizabeth in 1599 and 1601, expelling Moors from Africa as well as Spanish Moriscos from the boundaries of England http://www.geocities.com/Wellesley/7261/gripe5.html
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Iago, for example, uses a great deal of animal imagery. Othello is teeming with images of animals and beasts.

and you the blacker devil (Emilia to Othello 5.2.131)
I would change my humanity with a baboon."
"a hornčd man's a monster and a beast" (Othello 4.1.62)

associating black skin colour with hell, urges Brabantio to hurry, lest "the devil make a grandsire of you

Iago uses powerful and shocking imagery to suggest that, because he is black, Othello is lascivious and sexually deviant. He describes Othello, as a "beast", a "black ram", a "Barbary horse". The early scenes of the play in particular are full of images and anxieties of a black man (Othello)'s libido strikingly http://www.rsc.org.uk/othello/teachers/themes.html
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Iago has been passed up for a promotion, which went to a less experienced man. Othello,

Othello is planning on taking the life of his beloved Desdemona for what he believes to be her infidelity. Othello starts to lose his humanity, and takes on the mentality of a savage. One can make the symbolic link between his ‘savage’ behavior and that of his ancestry.

Othello has taken the life of his wife,
Ambassador to England during Shakespeare's life. This painting was made one year before Othello was written.


To blond and red headed Englishmen, a high-sexed Arab with a little nigger might be considered, "black." This is the reason they are called
"Sand Niggers."

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Looks like a Jewish princess.
 
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Looks like a Jewish princess.

That's why

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Her Royal Highness Princess Lalla Salma Bennani is the consort of His Majesty King Mohammed VI of Morocco. She is the first wife of a Moroccan ruler to have been publicly acknowledged and given a royal title.
And one more thing to add to the totally stupid comments of a BLIND individual known at VNN as "SEEER":

The "Majesty King" is a -venerating disgusting homosexual and child molester.
While LSB (Lalla), the jewish princess, looks very much like a drug addicted (LSD) lesbian.

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Moors are berrbers, ethic whites of north africa for the last 5000 years.

the nigger was never able to cross the hot sand and stayed in the jugle trees all its life.

Moors more then likely used niggers and cannon folder and slaves nothing more.
 
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