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Old March 4th, 2005 #1
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Default Mp 70 ?

Any good ?

It has been shown in the UK newspapers, apparently they are going to supply the Police with it over here.

Doesn't look as if it was meant for accurate firing.
 
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not familiar with that kind of weapon, never heard of it. heard of the mp 40.... maschinen pistolen....

who is manufacturer? got a pic?
 
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It's an H&K machine. And it isn't cheap.

I have checked out their website and it's not on there.

Apparently, it's a new small bore weapon that has had it's automatic capabilities removed for the UK.

It weighs just over 2 lbs. It's calibre is about just above a .22.

It can penetrate kevlar, but it will not go through a body, therefore will not injure others in a 'shootout'.

Must be that new, they aren't advertising it too much.

Keep an eye out. This is the new kid on the block for Police and so on.
 
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you mean VP 70?

http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg84-e.htm

The VP 70 pistol is quite unique, being well ahead of its time in some respects, and while it did not catch the military or civilian market, it set the marks for the many more sucessful followers. The VP-70 (Volks Pistole model 70) had been developed by HK around 1968, and the production began in 1970. Production of the military / law enforcement version, VP-70M, had been ceased fithin few years. Civilian version, VP-70Z, had been manufactured untill 1989.

The VP-70 is a blowback operated, striker fired, double action only pistol. In military version, VP-70M, it can be used along with detachable shoulder stock - holster, which has built in fire selector device, that allows to fire single shots or three rounds bursts. Withouth the stock attached, only single shots can be fired. Another then-unique feature was the polymer frame. In fact, the VP-70 was the FIRST EVER productional pisol with polymer frame. The DAO trigger with no manual safeties was alo not so common in the early 1970s. Despite the simply blowback operation, not so common in 9mm Luger/Para handguns, the VP-70 had modest felt recoil, but heavy and long trigger pull does not helped to improve accuracy.
 
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another good run down

http://www.ambient.ca/cpunk/hecklerandkochpart1.html
 
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Nope, it's none of those. I saw a pic in the London DAILY MAIL newspaper.

It's obviously a new weapon. There is an automatic, semi-automatic and the one for the British police a single shot version. It looks like the latest MP5's , but it has a smaller calibre. A folding handle from the front, rear extending butt and can be held with one hand. It weighs little over 2lbs. It has two different magazines, both carry a wedge of rounds.
 
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huh. interesting.

the mp5, pretty cool sights, very easy to let off controlled bursts. great piece.

HK is pretty innovative. they had this handgun with a squeeze grip trigger mechanism thing, cant recall the model, but it had quite a following here for a while before the glock came out.
 
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Dude, I think you're referring to the HK MP-7 PDW (Personal Defense Weapon) in 4.6x30mm. You could call it H&K's answer to Fabrique Nationale's 5.7x28mm P90.

Here's some pics:





The current crop of PDW's were originally intended to arm military personal that would normally be issued a handgun (vehicle crews, pilots, etc.) Both 4.6 and 5.7mm were designed specifically with 'enhanced penetration' in mind, in other words they're designed to penetrate heavy, military-style body armor out to 200 meters. Since most criminals don't run around in heavy body armor complete with ceramic plates the increased penetration capabilities are sure to be a liability when used by law enforcement. In an urban setting with lots of innocent bystandards milling about it's usually not a good idea to employ rounds that can penetrate steel plates and layers of kevlar 'cause that's just dangerous. Cops would be better off stickin' to their MP-5's and UMP's and leave the military weapons to the military.
 
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nice call gator. betcha that's it.
 
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That's the one !
 
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