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Old August 12th, 2008 #1
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Occurred to me that yet another reason Catholics hate Nazis more than their real enemy, the jew, is that the Nazis made a mockery of their just-war theory by running a more moral war than any in Catholic history. By this I mean, the Nazis committed less rape, murder and mayhem than any army ever heard of, as far as I aware.

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Old August 12th, 2008 #2
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Not all the Catholics hated the Nazi's some of the Nazi's including at the top and Hitler himself were Catholics. A lot of the Right wing Anti-Communist Catholics during the 2W.W. in other countries allied themselves with the Third Reich. Leon De Grelle leader of the Rexist party in Belguim was a Catholic and eventually became a S.S. general and was one of Hitlers favorite confidants.

After the war some high level Roman Catholic officials supposedly helped high ranking important National Socialist to be able to emigrate to South America. I forget what this operation was called.


I am not really defending Roman Catholicism myself, I am not a Catholic but I think there have been both good and rotten people in the Catholic Church throughout its history. I personally suspect that a lot of the preist who were accused of molesting childern may have been crypto-jews but thats just my theory. I certainly don't belive in that church's dogma or doctrine, but the history of the matter especially in 2WW itself are far more complicated.

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Old August 12th, 2008 #3
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Not all the Catholics hated the Nazi's some of the Nazi's including at the top and Hitler himself were Catholics. A lot of the Right wing Anti-Communist Catholics during the 2W.W. in other countries allied themselves with the Third Reich. Leon De Grelle leader of the Rexist party in Belguim was a Catholic and eventually became a S.S. general and was one of Hitlers favorite confidants.

After the war some high level Roman Catholic officials supposedly helped high ranking important National Socialist to be able to emigrate to South America. I forget what this operation was called.


I am not really defending Roman Catholicism myself, I am not a Catholic but I think there have been both good and rotten people in the Catholic Church throughout its history. I personally suspect that a lot of the preist who were accused of molesting childern may have been crypto-jews but thats just my theory. I certainly don't belive in that church's dogma or doctrine, but the history of the matter especially in 2WW itself are far more complicated.
The priests who abused kids are actually fags going after teenagers. That's the hidden story. Of course, some of the priests are genuine pedophiles, but most of those so described are chickenhawks, as the fags term it. The June issue of Culture Wars has an article on this.
 
Old August 12th, 2008 #4
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I suspect some of those fags and pedophiles were of jewish ancestory.
 
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As a Catholic I think you'd find most true Catholics don't like the Catholic Church and/or jews. BTW - You're drumming the old propaganda tool that Hitler was Catholic. He was not. He was raised in Catholic household but himself claimed to be an agnostic - neither believed or disbelieved. And the first to be rounded up by the Nazis were priests, long before jews or any other group, because of Germany being primarily Catholic, the Nazis knew priests were capable of organizing people against them. However, it was the Vatican that bowed to the Nazis not the Catholic people. As with any organization it's corrupt at the top and those at the top are always fighting for control.
 
Old August 12th, 2008 #6
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Jews hate the Catholic Church Alex. Especially the pre Vatican II Church.
 
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The Lutheran church also tried to undermine the Third Reich. The problem is not any denomination of christianity, the problem is christianity itself.
 
Old August 12th, 2008 #8
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My interest is the particular viciousness the Catholics exhibit toward nazis. Catholics will abandon their standards in the twinkle of an eye to go after Nazis. They will use the hoariest leftist canard if a nazi's in striking range.

Jones prints in his magazine a selection from The Pink Swastika, which is positively jewish in the way it calls leadings nazis homos. That is, Catholics lie about nazis being homos in the way jews lie about Catholic priests being pedophiles.

I think the basis of the hatred the Catholics have for the Nazis lies in the church's unwillingness to recognize that Nazism is cleaner and braver than Catholicism. It is founded in fact and demands bravery, whereas Catholicism is founded in lies and celebrates weakness.

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Yes. The Nazis actually did something about the Jews, while the Catholics sat around watching. And that bothers them: they "couldn't" fight the Jews.




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It's because of Jew disinformation:



Catholics are fed the propaganda of the "Holocaust" by the hierarchy, because the Church was "bad for the Jews" for centuries. Today, the mea culpas must come early and often, playing on the guilt feelings. So, "them Nazis" get tossed into the realm of the bad guys the Church must oppose, to keep the Jews happy.
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Old August 12th, 2008 #11
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Catholicism is unmanly. When your senses and reason tell you something is a threat, rather than doing something about it, you're supposed to have your "higher" morality kick in, and remember that the "right" thing to do is not destroy the enemy, but word it to spiritual death, at which point it gives up, abandons its nature, and joins your sapless crew.
 
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The Lutheran church also tried to undermine the Third Reich. The problem is not any denomination of christianity, the problem is christianity itself.

Thank you, Knight.
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Old August 12th, 2008 #13
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I tend to agree on the problem being Christianity, but the question in this thread is why Catholics in particular harbor unmeasured hatred of nazis, to the point they are willing to abandon standards they keep everywhere else. It's a subject of interest to me as a result of reading lots of E. Michael Jones over the last year. I detect in EMJ and crew a lack of the confidence they exhibit everywhere else. When it comes to nazis, they drop their intellectual standards and spit. That kind of hate is the result of some kind of recognition or intimidation. There's something they see in the Nazis that scares them out of their wits, literally. It scares them off their minds. Their passions knock reason out of the driver's seat. They become the thing they denounce.
 
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Perhaps its connected to the story of Polish priests being sent to the gas chamber.
 
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There are more Catholics in the north than in the South. I don't know the figures for Protestants. It might be that the most visible Protestants, those in the so-called Bible Belt, are slightly less inclined to go nuts about those who're on the wrong side of kike-written history, if you get my drift. I'd say the difference, if there is a difference, is very slight, but I can't think of any other reason. I don't think it's the brand of theology, anyway.
 
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I'm still trying to digest the irony of a man who uses the handle of ''Franco'' parroting the tired canard that Catholicism is somehow ''liberal'' or ''weak'' or ''Jewish''.

In the tradition of Ferdinand, Gen. Franco employed direct action against the traditional enemy and won. You people can make believe that the Catholic perspective in time and history is represented by a handful of errant and heretical race-traitors who slavishly pander to their masters or by some crank oddball who maintains a website that conflates National Socialism with homosexuality but its a patently absurd position to any actual student of history.

The faith of Europe, the faith of our people is the Catholic faith. Perhaps Alex and Franco would be well served by reading more Murraus and Schmitt and less fantasy fiction by Alfred Rosenberg.

Quite frankly, I don't know how anybody can suggest that the current dilemma can be traced to anything other than the destruction of Catholic authority and the attendant destruction of the traditional social relations.

I'm a traditional Catholic and I'm a National Socialist...but I guess all of that is ''unmanly'' to you people. I suppose final victory will be on the horizon when we all abandon spirituality and purity of purpose and embrace Darwinian banality and coffehouse Nietzscheanism.
 
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There are more Catholics in the north than in the South. I don't know the figures for Protestants. It might be that the most visible Protestants, those in the so-called Bible Belt, are slightly less inclined to go nuts about those who're on the wrong side of kike-written history, if you get my drift. I'd say the difference, if there is a difference, is very slight, but I can't think of any other reason. I don't think it's the brand of theology, anyway.
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Occurred to me that yet another reason Catholics hate Nazis more than their real enemy, the jew, is that the Nazis made a mockery of their just-war theory by running a more moral war than any in Catholic history. By this I mean, the Nazis committed less rape, murder and mayhem than any army ever heard of, as far as I aware.
The Catholics loved the Nazis when they were on top. When it became clear that the allies were going to win they flip-flopped.

Religion is a business. They were just being the opportunists that many businessmen are.
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Old August 12th, 2008 #19
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I'm not talking about dumbass Catholics but the top intellectuals. The nazis rounded up some priests, yes. Even executed some, yes. But they did nothing remotely like what the Judeobolsheviks did in the USSR - mass slaughters and smashing altars, repurposing churches. Yet the Catholic intellectuals speak of Jews 'n' Ussries in measured tones while frothing about Nazis. It cannot all be explained by financial motives or fear.
 
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''Christian'' Zionism isn't a Catholic disease, my friend...its the stuff of liberal-Prot egalitarianism, anti-Clericalism, and sola scruptura.

Its John Hagee and his flock that like to pretend that they're the People of the Book.
I assure you, I didn't say that the Prots were any saner than the Cats. Christian Zionism isn't the subject, though. Linder merely finds Cats to be more anti-nazi than he finds Prots, if I understand him. As I said, I don't see as big a difference. The Prots certainly have quite a history of hysteria. Remember the Puritans?
 
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