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Old October 9th, 2009 #61
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I've been reading a book about CI, and struggling mightily to get some value out of it, as the doctrine doesn't survive the laugh test. I guess the value of studying CI lies in recognizing the eternal appeal to the left-behinders, the left half of the bell curve and the sharpers who mulct them, of making predictions based on authority divined out of this or that natural sign or good book. I mean, it is astonishing how many retards get orgasmic pleasure out of their little home-made interpretations of the bible. Under their monkey brow they go from the good-book page to the world, looking and back and forth until everything comes into focus. It doesn't matter how many times these retardates are wrong, they keep right on calling end times that never come and concocting fake history based on their tardic readings of the testaments.
 
Old October 9th, 2009 #62
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There are a couple non-obvious ways in which Christianity is jewy, ways that others have not observed. Not only does it demand exemption from the ordinary laws of evidence for its central claims (like the jews' demand for their 'Holocaust') , it demands non-believers refrain from public scoffing, again like the 'Holocaust.' It even, like Polocaust beneficiaries, demands special tax exemptions! Christianity is like an attenuated judaism, with the legal penalties visited on those who challenge judaism reduced to ostracism for christ-truthers.

Christianity attempts through social pressure to gain a status and a respect it cannot earn based on the merits of its doctrine or the men it produces.

Christianity deserves not legal discrimination, but overt public ridicule. Whatever vestigial whiteness lies in the breasts of its sapsuckers can only be summoned through relentless comparison between Christian doctrine and established facts.
 
Old October 9th, 2009 #63
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The Nazis weren't "atheists" and don't appropriately serve as stand-ins for atheism or non-Christians. There was certainly a powerful strain of neo-paganism, Nietzschean existentialism, and outright atheism among the NS elite - but Germany remained a fully Christian nation. Even attempts at reforming Christianity, like Positive Christianity, were largely ignored or outright rejected.

I look forward to the latest SWB post like a nigger looks forward to a welfare check, but I was disappointed this time to find him tearing apart the secular racialists with the rabid fury that I would prefer he direct at our common enemies.

I don't really care about the details; I just know that we MUST recapture authority over our tribe yesterday - both temporally and spiritually. Christianity is a dandy choice because it's innately threatening to Jewish power, it's deeply embedded in Western tradition, and it encourages the deference, discipline, and duty that we need out of the masses. I honestly don't care if there is a god - and I don't see how pretending that wasting time relieving the masses of their superstitions is any less retarded than embracing those superstitions and leveraging them in the struggle.
 
Old October 9th, 2009 #64
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The Nazis weren't "atheists" and don't appropriately serve as stand-ins for atheism or non-Christians. There was certainly a powerful strain of neo-paganism, Nietzschean existentialism, and outright atheism among the NS elite - but Germany remained a fully Christian nation. Even attempts at reforming Christianity, like Positive Christianity, were largely ignored or outright rejected.
Who argued the nazis were atheists? Off point. The fact remains, the nazis fully intended to help the Christ-insanity die on the vine once they had the time to give it attention.

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I look forward to the latest SWB post like a nigger looks forward to a welfare check, but I was disappointed this time to find him tearing apart the secular racialists with the rabid fury that I would prefer he direct at our common enemies.
I wouldn't say rabid fury characterized his tone. He took the crissy's usual pose of been-there-done-that-seen-it-all-before. His real problem with us non-crizzlers is somehow our lack of buhlief = denying him and his offspring their duly appointed personal-communal Savior. Whence this idea that people need to be saved? WTF is the origin of that? Do you feel like you need to be saved? It's pure cult doctrine. Instead of crying over your "sinning," why not just change your behavior, if it hurts you so bad? That's the Aryan way to approach it. No, every tiniest microatomic movement must be morally analyzed and accounted for. The wise will observe that all movement is immoral, because it entails risks and unknowns that certainly will result in unintentional consequences including damage to others.

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I don't really care about the details; I just know that we MUST recapture authority over our tribe yesterday - both temporally and spiritually. Christianity is a dandy choice because it's innately threatening to Jewish power, it's deeply embedded in Western tradition, and it encourages the deference, discipline, and duty that we need out of the masses. I honestly don't care if there is a god - and I don't see how pretending that wasting time relieving the masses of their superstitions is any less retarded than embracing those superstitions and leveraging them in the struggle.

You haven't been to church lately if you think Christianity is the enemy of the jews. It may seem like that because the jews spit at the church, but that's more reflexive 'legacy-hatred' than anything - up and down the board the church is on the same page as the kikes, whether it's denying race or defending Israel.
 
Old October 10th, 2009 #65
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To damn the entirety of Christianity for philo-Semitic bullshit based on the last few decades/centuries is a bit unfair. Historically, Catholics have been the primary opposition to the Jews. Dr. MacDonald even hypothesizes that the early church was basically an anti-Semitic reaction throughout the Roman Empire. You have studied enough RadTrad sources to know that there are still some warm embers of resistance in that organization.

Martin Luther, founder of Protestantism, penned "On the Jews and their Lies". The Amish are quietly breeding blue-eyed men and women like rabbits. Brigham Young, the Mormon Moses, declared that the punishment for miscegenation is DEATH ON THE SPOT. Even though the LDS has gone global, they still advise against miscegenation and the Book of Mormon still says what it says. The FLDS? They're the gold standard of racial pride, eugenics, and population growth! You appear to agree that Christians have at least historically carried their weight on such matters, so I won't prattle on about how Jesus chased them around with a whip, called them vipers, and offered the masses a 12 step plan for neutralizing their venom through duty, sacrifice, charity, humility, and love. A man who practices the words of Jesus is a man who's immune to Jewish influence.

As I implied earlier, we need more than a mere political movement to win this. We need a holistic grip on the hearts, minds, and actions of our tribe lest the Jews retain that grip. The West became vulnerable to Jews when our traditional priesthood imploded (due in equal parts to enlightenment through literacy and priesthood celibacy). The problem with both you, SWB admin, Dabney, atheists in general, and Protestantism in general is that too much weight is put on being correct. Being correct is dandy, but what we must be is organized, powerful, and focused. Neither kinism, CI, nor atheism promise any of those things. They just promise being correct.

We can either pick from one of the two priesthoods in the West (Catholicism and Mormonism) or home-brew our own. It doesn't necessarily have to be Christian and it doesn't necessarily have to be superstitious, but it seems to me that it would be a dangerous waste of very limited time to experiment with creating some new and unproven memeplex when there are some acceptable ones that can be embraced and extended.
 
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To damn the entirety of Christianity for philo-Semitic bullshit based on the last few decades/centuries is a bit unfair. ... A man who practices the words of Jesus is a man who's immune to Jewish influence.
One word kills that notion, Judeo-Christianity.
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First, Judeo-Christian America has differed from Christian countries in Europe in at least two important ways. One is that the Christians who founded America saw themselves as heirs to the Hebrew Bible, as much as to theirs. And even more importantly, they strongly identified with the Jews.
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That grip will form when blood runs in the streets. Your skin will be your uniform in the next battle for freedom.
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Old October 10th, 2009 #67
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Default Alex, did you study under jew Stein?

At Univ of Cal Irvine Greg Bahnsen debated the jew Gordon Stein who defended atheism along the same lines as Alex. The results were not pretty. Here are the mp3's of it. Ignore the file names -- the proper order is as I list here:

http://www.brianauten.com/Apologetic..._vsAtheism.mp3

http://www.brianauten.com/Apologetic...mvsAtheism.mp3

http://www.brianauten.com/Apologetic...vs_Atheism.mp3
 
Old October 10th, 2009 #68
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To damn the entirety of Christianity for philo-Semitic bullshit based on the last few decades/centuries is a bit unfair. Historically, Catholics have been the primary opposition to the Jews.
The church, as I've said eighty times, ignored the jews until an apostate Donin pointed out what was in the jewbooks. Some policy. Then the church formulated judais sicut non (sp), which said not to molest the jews. We see now where that led. The church is dogmatically and doctrinally committed to the anti-biological lie that jews are merely unconverted christians rather than a specific subset of anti-White hominids. The correct policy, which the church will never adopt, is to class jews as vermin and exterminate them wherever they pop up. No serious Catholic intellectual response to the claims of White nationalism has ever been made. The only response Catholics ever make is the lie that we worship at the altar of our own race, as though we are supernaturalists like they are.

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Dr. MacDonald even hypothesizes that the early church was basically an anti-Semitic reaction throughout the Roman Empire. You have studied enough RadTrad sources to know that there are still some warm embers of resistance in that organization.
If a banana or orange or potato is 90% rotten, I throw it away, I don't try to salvage the 10%. Christianity was anti-White from day one because it emphasized ties of love between defectives against traditional family relations. That's the irony of the kinist claims. Christianity was anti-kin, and you have Jesus' quote on that.

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Martin Luther, founder of Protestantism, penned "On the Jews and their Lies".
No shit. That's 500 years ago. What do Lutherans say today? The exact opposite. Which is relevant to our cause? In the end Christianity can be twisted to support any position the preacher chooses, for personal or political reasons, to emphasize. It doesn't, truly, stand for anything, except perhaps claims about Jesus' overcoming death, which is a lie.

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The Amish are quietly breeding blue-eyed men and women like rabbits.
They are committed to pacifism, meaning that if they ever present a threat to jews, they will go quietly to the slaughter. The jews have also begun to attack them in the media, which of course they cannot resist.

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Brigham Young, the Mormon Moses, declared that the punishment for miscegenation is DEATH ON THE SPOT.
What do they say today? They exact opposite. You seem to be missing the point, which is that Christianity doesn't stand for anything but lies about Composite Jesus, the super-duper jew power ranger transformer.

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Even though the LDS has gone global, they still advise against miscegenation and the Book of Mormon still says what it says.
Bull-fucking-shit.

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The FLDS? They're the gold standard of racial pride, eugenics, and population growth!
Yeah! All thirty of 'em!

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You appear to agree that Christians have at least historically carried their weight on such matters,
The Christians were the only game in town, and look how they managed things: they got us where we are now. I certainly do not agree that Christianity has ever posed the slightest danger to Judaism. We are where we are now because of Christianity. Christianity teaches the men who can least afford it to lean not on their own thinking, but to worship authority, and to privilege fantasies over reality. That is the last thing white men need to hear. Misery loves company? So do weaklings and losers. It is the Christian project to turn strong men into weaklings and losers by lying to them until they can't tell up from down, and that's why it starts with little kids rather than adults.

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so I won't prattle on about how Jesus chased them around with a whip, called them vipers, and offered the masses a 12 step plan for neutralizing their venom through duty, sacrifice, charity, humility, and love. A man who practices the words of Jesus is a man who's immune to Jewish influence.
Right. Lay off the wacky weed.

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As I implied earlier, we need more than a mere political movement to win this. We need a holistic grip on the hearts, minds, and actions of our tribe lest the Jews retain that grip. The West became vulnerable to Jews when our traditional priesthood imploded (due in equal parts to enlightenment through literacy and priesthood celibacy). The problem with both you, SWB admin, Dabney, atheists in general, and Protestantism in general is that too much weight is put on being correct. Being correct is dandy, but what we must be is organized, powerful, and focused. Neither kinism, CI, nor atheism promise any of those things. They just promise being correct.
No, wrong, blanko. The problem with the church is that it CAN'T fight the jews because it can't acknowledge them for what they are. Until we have enough money and power to buy the priests, and cause them to change their doctrine, they will keep right on doing what they're doing.

Whites laugh at Jesus like Catholics laugh at biology. We will laugh last.

Like I say, in 2000 years, not a single Catholic has dared to venture a serious intellectual response to racialism. That's because, as the jew comedians say, they got nuthin.

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We can either pick from one of the two priesthoods in the West (Catholicism and Mormonism) or home-brew our own. It doesn't necessarily have to be Christian and it doesn't necessarily have to be superstitious, but it seems to me that it would be a dangerous waste of very limited time to experiment with creating some new and unproven memeplex when there are some acceptable ones that can be embraced and extended.
No, we don't need either of those. The solution does not lie in religion.
 
Old October 10th, 2009 #69
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The NS Germans showed how to defeat the jews: take over the streets. Name the jews, blame the jews, attack them directly and fearlessly. The only people even trying to do this, as far as I can see, are the NSM. They are insulted then by their supposed betters who don't like the way they dress, but themselves will never take to the streets to show them how it's done. No, they'll stick to holding essay contests, dinner parties, plagiarizing their betters, and sucking ass after the Patsy Buchanans of the world.
 
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Ain't Christian illogic a wonderful thing? It's like Hillary's stock trades - she's assigned the winners, and some unsuspecting sap the losers.
What's especially exasperating is how they define bad Christians out of Christianity. In place of a real world group that might be experienced as good or bad or mixed, it's just a tautology: Christian is good and good is Christian.
 
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What's especially exasperating is how they define bad Christians out of Christianity. In place of a real world group that might be experienced as good or bad or mixed, it's just a tautology: Christian is good and good is Christian.
Yep. You can't expect people who believe that reality is a scam to exhibit any sort of logical consistency.
 
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Again, what differentiates the White man from the turdman is our recognition that there is a reality existing independent of our desires and wishes. Savages don't believe that. They believe everything is invested with a spirit, and you make your way in the world by figuring out how to placate and appease that power. Catholicism is inherently of the turd, and to the turd it returns. The majority of Catholics, in 2009, are people of turd, and that turd majority will only grow. Catholicism is wiggerism by another name.
 
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Puzzle on this: most of the top Nazis were former Catholics, many of them Austrians. Why would they leave Catholicism? Because there was something in it that could not provide valid responses to existing circumstances. What was that deficit? Specifically it lay in Catholicism's generality, its take-all-comers dogma, its insistence that one size fits all, its claim that a man is a man is a man is a jew is a third worlder. To the extent Catholicism ignores the facts, it appeals only to the mentally deficient, and drives off those whose desired state requires taking those facts into account. The Catholic has no intellectual basis for resistance to Judaism, and that is why the church has been subverted by jews, which is why the Pope kisses any jew's ass that presents itself, that is why the pope honors jewish atrocity lies like the holocaust, and that is why the Pope and top intellectuals like EMJones employ communist party rhetoric like 'racism' as though it is a perfectly valid term.
 
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Puzzle on this: most of the top Nazis were former Catholics, many of them Austrians. Why would they leave Catholicism? Because there ...
Are you channeling their spirits or are you relying on their documented testimony or writings? Do you have a cite(s) that you can provide including specifics like names? Documents or writings that specifically address their understanding of Catholicism and any problem(s) they had with it. Note that I'm no fan of the Catholic church.
 
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Are you channeling their spirits or are you relying on their documented testimony or writings? Do you have a cite(s) that you can provide including specifics like names? Documents or writings that specifically address their understanding of Catholicism and any problem(s) they had with it. Note that I'm no fan of the Catholic church.
It is a fact that the church denounced nazism/racism in Mit Brennender Sorge. It is a fact that many or perhaps even most of the top Nazis were Austrian. I've known more than one jew who hated Austrians more than Germans.

Whether or not a top Nazis formally left the church, the fact of his being top Nazis shows he sided with Nazi doctrine over and against the church.
 
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It is a fact that the church denounced nazism/racism in Mit Brennender Sorge. It is a fact that many or perhaps even most of the top Nazis were Austrian. I've known more than one jew who hated Austrians more than Germans.
I didn't ask what the Catholic church did or didn't do. Also not interested in jews that hate. I asked you for cite(s) to support your statements in your previous post that you attributed to the "top nazis." Surely you can direct me to documents that support your conclusions? Or any document where "top Nazis" address the issue of the Catholic church.

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Whether or not a top Nazis formally left the church, ...
So you admit there are no such documents and you're making things up?
 
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From his Genealogy of Morals...
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I don't like the "New Testament"—you will already have guessed as much. It almost disturbs me that I stand so alone in my taste with respect to this most highly regarded and overvalued written work (the taste of two thousand years is against me). How can I help that! "Here I stand. I can't do otherwise." I have the courage of my own bad taste. The Old Testament—now, that's something quite different. All honour to the Old Testament! In that I find great men, a heroic landscape and something of the rarest of all elements on earth, the incomparable naïveté of the strong heart. Even more—I find a people. In the New Testament, by contrast, I find nothing but small sectarian households, nothing but spiritual rococo, nothing but ornament, twisty little corners, oddities, nothing but conventional air, not to mention an occasional breeze of bucolic sweet sentimentality, which belongs to the age (and the Roman province)—something not so much Jewish as Hellenic. Humility and pomposity standing shoulder to shoulder; a chatting about feelings which are almost stupefying; vehement feelings but no passion, with awkward gestures. Here, it seems, there's a lack of a good upbringing.
'nuff said.
 
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Where does the solution lie, Mr. Linder?
 
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I didn't ask what the Catholic church did or didn't do. Also not interested in jews that hate. I asked you for cite(s) to support your statements in your previous post that you attributed to the "top nazis." Surely you can direct me to documents that support your conclusions? Or any document where "top Nazis" address the issue of the Catholic church.

So you admit there are no such documents and you're making things up?
Yeah, the nazis sat around writing diaries about their opinions of the Catholic church. Go read a history book.
 
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From his Genealogy of Morals... 'nuff said.
That the Nazis like the work of Nietzsche doesn't make the latter a "top Nazi." I am looking for documents and writings from the "top Nazis" themselves that address the issue of the Catholic church.

If someone can't show me documented writings attributed to "top Nazis" on the subject of the Catholic church then such statements attributed to them are mere speculation and belief.
 
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