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Old September 11th, 2009 #61
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Some here have made points that we need more economic talk or a clearer idea to show people of the state we have in mind, hence I've been working that out lower on the forum. It is worth discussing because clearly WN here and elsewhere are divided on what kind of state they envision.
We're in agreement on the definition of White Nationalism. See below. I think we should move on to the next question: What steps should be taken to ensure the permanence of a WN revolution?

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WN implies nothing other than whites-only. I don't really know of a better term, though. We want a white nation. That's the main thing. Even if it were nothing like what I outlined, it would be better than what we have now if for no other reason than the rulers weren't dedicated to White genocide. But because our enemy will always define us in the worst way, it behooves us to lay out where our plans differ from theirs.
Nothing to argue with here. White Nationalism is the idea that Whites should secede from the United States and create a Jew-free, White ethnostate. As I said above, that's the minimum we should rally around. The various other differences that divide pro-Whites can be left to the political process once the ethnostate is established.
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But, he is following Macdonald, who is following Francis. They tell themselves they are cleverly insinuating themselves into the elite, and influencing it. They are not. When I ask Greg to lay out their strategy, nothing but crickets. Who is this mysterious elite you are influencing, Greg?
MacDonald uses that term a lot too but never seems to define it. Until someone convinces me otherwise, the white elite are just multiple-degreed lemmings who like single malts. Paul Findley shows how people who thought they had elite status promptly lost it when they ran afoul of the Jews. Maybe they weren't so elite to begin with. If white elites have no meaningful influence, what is the value of a political strategy designed specially to influence them?
 
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Libertarians tend to think in abstract terms. They have all sorts of theories about government, economics, and ethics. I’m impressed less by their abstractions and more persuaded by the empirical results that follow their implemention.

We’ve tried almost everything the libertarians recommend over the course of American history: the gold standard, multiple currencies, financial deregulation, private roads/railroads, absence of the Federal Reserve, absence of the income tax, cutting back government bureaucracy, legalization of drugs, laissez-faire capitalism, international free trade, federalism/small government, expansion of civil liberties, neutering the state, deunionization, no Social Security, no Medicare/Medicaid, no Earned Income Tax Credit, no welfare system, no minimum wage or collective bargaining, no workplace safety standards, dispensing with virtue ethics, private schools, etc. We have a vast well of experience with radical liberty to draw upon. Yet the libertarians always seem to prefer their abstract arguments and deductive reasoning to historical ones. Why is that?

We know how free market laissez-faire capitalism ends: in vast concentrations of wealth (land and capital) in the hands of a privileged few, huge multinational corporations that tower over the remaining small businesses, monopolies and cartels, private transportation systems that suck every penny out of the common man, race replacement through ‘cheap labor’ immigration, a radicalized, uneducated and degraded proletariat constantly engaged in strikes and riots and infected with Marxism, environmental degradation, financial panics and depression, shortage of credit, depressed wages, a plutocratic elite that buys elections and corrupts the political system with its largesse. It was a good system for the wealthiest few who didn’t use public services, at least for a while, until the top heavy economy periodically collapsed under its own weight in the inevitable cyclical depression.

The system is inherently unstable for both labor and capital and gave rise to the very social forces which succeeded in undermining and overthrowing it. If by some chance we ever were to return to Gilded Age conditions, history would unfold again in much the same way. It is worth noting that this is the degenerate condition that millions of Jewish immigrants found Americans in when they arrived on our shores. Their arrival in the New World was part of the ‘cheap labor’ glut that flowed out of Eastern and Southern Europe into Northern industry at the time. The Jews would later climb the same ladder into the American plutocracy used by J.P. Morgan, Rockefeller, Carnegie and Ford.

Aside from the small faction of libertarian ideologues, there is no constituency for returning to the days of the Robber Barons. The working class justifiably balks at surrendering the handful of concessions won from Capital over the past hundred years. The middle class, still reeling from ‘free trade’, clamors for ever more public services (which Obama promises to deliver). Even the wealthy realize that a managed economy is ultimately in their interest. It stiffles labor militancy and the growth of radical class-based redistributionist movements. The government is also useful (as in the Panic of ‘08) when it pulls their collective chestnuts out of the fire.

White Nationalists support ending non-White immigration and deporting the non-White labor force already in the United States. In doing so, we have earned the implacable hostility of the business community; both small businesses and multinational corporations alike depend on their non-White helots. We’re proposing a permanent and radical increase in the price of labor that will bankrupt any number of businesses. The only way forward to the White ethnostate is through a knife fight to the death with the pro-business lobby and the ethnic grievance organizations that are allied to them. That’s not a fight we can possibly win with a libertarian economic agenda that will alienate the working class and lower middle class.

Once the beast is subdued (the cheap labor lobby and its hanger ons), White Nationalists will have to be permanently on guard to ensure it never rises from the dead. As you note, this could involve constitutional measures, draconian penalties for racial treason, a permanent class or religious order of “Defenders” charged with the responsibility of overseeing the culture and economy, a national academy to train the “Defenders,” government control of the media, public schools that indoctrinate our youth in the racial ideal, or some combination the above. Whatever the case, the salient point is that a transition to a White Nationalist ethnostate (a process likely to take generations) will require authoritarian measures which run against the grain of libertarianism, and probably not solely on a temporary basis.

Indeed, there is nothing “libertarian” at all about what we are proposing to do: overthrowing civic institutions and replacing them with a new blut und boden racial order, mass violations of sacrosanct individual rights and property rights, engaging in ‘aggression’ against sovereign individuals in the name of collectivism, engaging in racial and religious intolerance, imposing ethical and aesthetic standards on a libertine populace, etc. A true libertarian (whose mind is governed by universal abstractions) would never entertain such measures. In many ways, the White Nationalist worldview (based solely on collective self interest, not highminded universal principles) is the polar opposite of libertarianism and the other species of liberalism.

If you really think about it, libertarianism has no future in a White Nationalist ethnostate. In selecting our form of government, our primary concern must be the nature of our elite, not the ‘rights’ of individuals. After a successful revolutionary struggle, I seriously doubt White Nationalists will want to go back to the days when America was governed by a shallow Judeo-Capitalist plutocracy whose primary qualification to rule was their ability to make money. Social mobility will have to be organized on some other basis than the Horatio Alger myth; perhaps along the lines of the “essentially religious civil servants” you described above. At a minimum, this would require a highly regulated economy, not the laissez-faire free market favored by libertarians.

Most importantly, the status system will have to be forever severed from market economy, which is another blow against libertarianism. We’ve seen the mischief the advertising industry has caused by creating artificial needs and instilling sick materialistic values in the masses. This is closely linked to the low White birthrate, racial nihilism, and popularity of contraception and abortion in the West. You’ve already mentioned that status must be linked to values like duty, honor, and self sacrifice in the new system. I would go beyond that and argue for a return to virtue ethics in your HS curriculum. We need to move beyond the silly expressivist notion that each child should be allowed to nurture his own individuality. From our perspective, some values are manifestly superior to others.

In a White ethnostate, ‘liberty’ and ‘equality’ would be knocked off the pedestal they now occupy in contemporary political discourse. More important considerations like community and the preservation of our genetic integrity would rise to the fore and take precedence. I seriously doubt we would break wholly with the tradition of individual rights or basic republican equality before the law. The old values would still have their place, but they would no longer be considered absolute, center stage, or universally applicable to all races. The market economy is also another likely survivor, albeit in a form unrecognizable to the one we are familar with today.

I will stop short of saying that pro-Whites need an entirely new political philosophy. We don’t need to establish a new set of (false) universal principles which could later be invoked to sabotage our racial interests. Instead, we should take our direction from art and literature that reflect our racial ideals, and adopt a critical posture towards all systemizers and their fetish for abstractions.
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In a White ethnostate, there would be no shortage of outlets for individual talent and genius. You could easily spend your entire life trying to restore racial sanity to Kirksville, MO. That's one small town. Your efforts alone probably wouldn't be enough to get the job done.

There are thousands of towns all across America in similar desperate condition. In such places, there will be plenty of 'freedom' to do what matters. The 'freedom' of young White girls to drop their panties for sweaty negroes in the restroom of integrated clubs might be taken away. The 'freedom' of Jews to own mass media outlets and poison the morals of the masses will similarly be dispensed with. A healthy civilization doesn't need 'freedom' of that sort.

No one is proposing that an all powerful central government run everything. Outright race sabotage should be illegal. It shouldn't be licensed in the name of liberty.
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Melvil Dewey invented the Dewey Decimal System in 1876. It's used mainly in school libraries.

The "philosopher of education" was John Dewey, who lived a little later. John Dewey was a fan of the Soviet Union.
John Dewey, at the behest Justice Felix Frankfurter, succeeded in getting the Ivy League's numerus clausus (quota system) on Jewish enrollment at Harvard rolled back. This opened the doors just wide enough for the whole constellation of American elite universities to be taken over. He personified the sort of high WASP noblesse oblige which ultimately resulted in the incremental handing of the whole country over to the new alien elite in fits of Fabian rectitude.
 
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The only way forward to the White ethnostate is through a knife fight to the death with the pro-business lobby and the ethnic grievance organizations that are allied to them. That’s not a fight we can possibly win with a libertarian economic agenda that will alienate the working class and lower middle class.

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Indeed, there is nothing “libertarian” at all about what we are proposing to do: overthrowing civic institutions and replacing them with a new blut und boden racial order, mass violations of sacrosanct individual rights and property rights, engaging in ‘aggression’ against sovereign individuals in the name of collectivism, engaging in racial and religious intolerance, imposing ethical and aesthetic standards on a libertine populace, etc. A true libertarian (whose mind is governed by universal abstractions) would never entertain such measures. In many ways, the White Nationalist worldview (based solely on collective self interest, not highminded universal principles) is the polar opposite of libertarianism and the other species of liberalism.

If you really think about it, libertarianism has no future in a White Nationalist ethnostate.
Finally, a man not afraid to call a spade a spade. A pro-White authoritarian state is nothing we should deny the logical necessity of or fear in politics OR economics. Well stated, Mr Ebbe.


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Aside from the small faction of libertarian ideologues, there is no constituency for returning to the days of the Robber Barons.
I agree. Who do we think we’re playing to anyway? We either represent the White working class politically AND economically or we don’t; there is no separating the two. The fact that we have tried goes to show just how muddled our thinking has been the last 50 years and why the “left” has eaten our lunch every step of the way - and why we have a negro as president now. The White working class has no representation and we have no program to offer them.

Could we be doing any worse job of alienating the White working class IF WE TRIED?

As Alex might put it: those crickets you hear chirping after your last post is the sack of cats on this site mulling over how they are ever going to start cooperating economically.

*chirp*

But - Look at what can be done with the right emphasis and a little imagination: http://www.newswise.com/articles/view/17012

Now I ask: Is that really so undesirable or something to fear?


DEATH to the judeo-Capitalist plutocracy and judaic spirit that rules over our lives!
 
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Free enterprise and capitalism are two very different things.

In our post-agricultural, post-industrial consumerist society, restrictions limiting or even dismantaling capitalist enterprises such as Wal-Mart, Home jewPot, Lowes, and perhaps more importantly corporate restaurants, would create an environment in which every American family could successfully operate a small business. Want to open a hardware store or restaurant? Good luck with that shit.

Man was freest when he controlled the means to his own livelihood in agriculture. Under capitalism, we're all peasants to the feudal corporations. Getting rid of a lot of these fuckers would allow every man to own his own "farm" again, so to speak.

True, free enterprise (freedom of competition) is the only way to go, but the cycle of capitalism always ends in the same place. Much like communism, capitalism has it's interesting points in theory, but human nature always gets in the way of the final product.
 
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No, Alex, it's crass.
 
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No, Alex, it's crass.
It fits the affliction.
 
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Free enterprise and capitalism are two very different things.

In our post-agricultural, post-industrial consumerist society, restrictions limiting or even dismantaling capitalist enterprises such as Wal-Mart, Home jewPot, Lowes, and perhaps more importantly corporate restaurants, would create an environment in which every American family could successfully operate a small business. Want to open a hardware store or restaurant? Good luck with that shit.
I'm in a small town of 17,000 with a SuperWal-mart and a Home Depot. We also have 3-4 other smaller hardware stores that predated the HD. None have gone out of business since the HD appeared years ago. It's not as simple as saying the giants drive the small ones out of business. Partly the small ones have to find niches; they also have to work harder. In small towns, if the big box stores aren't there, the smaller stores aren't selling it. You'd have to buy it online or drive 100 miles to a big city. The picture is far from as stark as the leftists draw it.
 
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You want to operate in retail (not just clothes but general) you have to pretty much make one of three choices: unique products, special services, low cost.

Food example here in Kirksville:

- low-cost (Aldi)
- special services (Hy-Vee - "a smile in every aisle")
- unique products (Wal-mart - all kinds of items the other two don't carry)
 
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Those are the only food stores in town, except you have lots of dollar stores to fill in the gap. They get buy on a combination of low prices and, even more so, the convenience of their location.
 
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Wal-mart started as a small store. What differentiated it was the owner, Sam Walton, got off his ass and made deals. Your average mom-and-pop store does not want to do that. It wants to sit on its ass and enjoy the markup because its customers can't drive 90 miles to get better deals. A lot of the whining about Wal-Mart is simply the combined hue of the lazy + the leftists. It's certainly not coming from W-M workers or customers. It comes from professors and other useless eaters.
 
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The "philosopher of education" was John Dewey, who lived a little later. John Dewey was a fan of the Soviet Union.
Dewy is fairly described as the jewiest non-jew who ever lived. He was a pervert and a liar; a blackmailer and a subverter. He should be buried in a jewish cemetery though he be 100% WASP (I think).
 
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I believe it is also important to blame the Jew for the two biggest scams of this calendar year. And they need to be summarized in the simplest of terms:
the media-hyped banking crises and the subsequent bailout was nothing more than a scam to give the Jews who own the big banks over a trillion dollars of our money under the guise of a bailout. It was nothing but a gigantic Jewish swindle. It had nothing to do with saving our economy or preventing any depression or saving any failing banks. The whole thing was a lie. It was nothing more than Jews stealing our money.

The current health care plan is nothing more than a Jewish con to swindle $400 billion dollars per year from the people for the Jew-owned insurance companies. The Jews own the banks and the insurance companies and these two media-hyped ventures are nothing more than Jews stealing our money. To argue this or that point about the health care plan is irrelevant to its purpose. The whole proposal, in its entirety, is nothing more than a scheme to give the Jews a $400 billion dollars per-year subsidy for their insurance companies. It isn't about anything else.

All these programs, illegal aliens, unlimited immigration, so-called civil laws that require whites to discriminate against their own kind, health insurance schemes, bank bailout schemes, must be identified for what they simply are: the Jews are stealing our money.

Multiculturalism and abortion are sponsored by the Jews to exterminate our race. They are the Jewish attempt to perpetrate a holocaust against our people. The Holohoax is a Jewish cover, to make them appear innocent victims, while they commit their own holocaust against the white race.

So, yes, I agree, the Jew must be acknowledged as the force behind all these adverse laws and programs.

I also agree, that securing the U.S. as a national homeland for the white race must be our first and foremost objective. All programs, no matter how appealing, are of secondary importance.

I also agree with, "word and boot". That is why I promote both.
The ghost of Julius Streicher would agree with you. His tabloid focused on jewish sexual and financial shenanigans. All that was left was for FIPS to supply brilliant sexy cartoons.
 
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This thread disappoints me. I thought TOQ was making good progress, especially in attracting a cadre of writers like Connelly and Elizabeth Whitcombe who apply MacDonald's framework, much as the neocons do with Leo Strauss. But I fear Greg leaves open the option of returning to the vomit of faileoconservatism, replete with fat Sambo's rationalizations for his Jew buddies.
The problem is one of personality and instinct overcoming intellectual knowledge. The right way to go is to develop a core, a kernel, of White anti-jew fighters, intellectual, political, financial, martial. You don't do that by playing down differences and taking the path of low standards - tolerance for jews like Gottfried and jew-excusers like Taylor. Most humans are more or less impervious to evidence against the fantasies floating in their heads, especially when the fantasies coincide with pleasurable emoluments.

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We can learn some tactics from the Jews. We can't legally kill people like the Mossad does, we can't directly get them fired like the ADL does (though there may be indirect ways), but we can do what Norman Podhoretz does: we can shun people. Jared Taylor stands with the Jewish enemy, so he gets no fellowship and no resources from any WN. He's white (Alex's "WHINO") only in the same way fellow Jew-fawner Charles Murray is white. Murray doesn't pretend to be WN and we won't let Taylor get away with that pretense. Then we take it to the next level. We won't take anyone seriously who takes Jared Taylor seriously. That means you Greg.
Yep. The thing is, and I will write about this at greater length, anyone who goes to grad school for liberal arts has his mind enriched but also deformed in a very real way, similar, mutatis mutandis, to the way lawyer's minds are deformed. It is no acccident that the best writer in English, ever, - HL Mencken - had no formal academic training past high school. I never went to grad school, but I would certainly be a better writer had I not gone to college and gone directly to paid writing. Of course, that's hardly possible these days when everything requires a degree, ensuring you know how to kowtow to the Mau-Maus and have wasted four years of your thickest energy. The writing of those who have gone to grad school has an upside and downside. The upside is the writer knows how to write formally. Generally spelling, grammar, syntax, footnotes are in place. The downside is everything that writer writes after he leaves school is written in the tone of one fearful of being caught out. This is because grad students read hundreds of books, attend dozens of seminars, get dissed and discussed over and over until they're wave-crazy. They can't write without feeling they're being looked at, and this queers or snips any budding style the odd one might have had going in.

So you end up with people who are trying to be radicals, because they know it is intellectually indicated, but, because of the professional deformation they have undergone in the long years in the academy, they have simply lost the dynamism and wildness you need to spark the real thing. The best they can manage is a limp $PLC. It's almost as cute as it is pathetic.

But of course, it could be contended that many successful political radicals came from middle-class academic backgrounds, Che for example. Rightists, and racialism is rightism, no matter Metzger's opinion, don't tend to be cultists as leftists are. After all, if they were prone to unreality, they would be leftists. While this makes them more desirable as people, it makes them less suited to forming radical cadre. They simply can't get past acting gentlemanly, not making people feel bad, being respectful even when they disagree. This renders them essentially unfit for the revolutionary task, save as dredgers up of useful facts and quotations.

I have no fear of looking bad. I have no Ph.D. and have never been to grad school. I don't have to impress anybody. So I can write with the inner wildness one needs, the wildness that when combined with factual knowledge can lead to liberating breakthroughs in terms and frames. To me, and anyone else in my class, the academics are miners excavating rough diamonds. But they have no idea how to carve and set them. I do. They provide the bones, but I know how to flesh the body and make it dance.

We don't win over elites, we make ours the quest for the ages. We lure new elites not by the promise of riches and fame but by the prospect of glory eternal. That's what lured me - a person who had other options - the prospect of going down in history as the man who defeated the jews. Not just in a time and space, but for all eternity. There's your unique selling propsition, not fucking IQ differences or some fucking Mythos, whatever that is, I guess a cereal of some sort.

Glory, baby. It's hard to be on glory road when your colon doesn't work. Where is the new me? Him I want to read.

Do you grok me, Aryan water brothers? Any of you?
 
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I'm in a small town of 17,000 with a SuperWal-mart and a Home Depot. We also have 3-4 other smaller hardware stores that predated the HD. None have gone out of business since the HD appeared years ago. It's not as simple as saying the giants drive the small ones out of business. Partly the small ones have to find niches; they also have to work harder. In small towns, if the big box stores aren't there, the smaller stores aren't selling it. You'd have to buy it online or drive 100 miles to a big city. The picture is far from as stark as the leftists draw it.
Good points. Though I know that at least one of those hardware stores in Kirksville is owned by a multi-hundred million dollar corporation that I used to work for. My point there being even the percieved "small guys" are big corporate.

Most truly independent small businesses catering in common goods have been in business long before the giants started their monster expansions in the 1990s, and thus have a pre-established customer base. How does a new business get started up competing with corporate grocery stores, corporate dollar stores, corporate restaurants, corporate gas stations. I just feel that the real freedom of competition, if you will, is being constrained more and more over time. Sure you can theoretically, but in certain cases not realistically.

My concern is more in the future. I think it's fair to say that the big ones will carve out enough of the market that the concept of "small business" (speaking strictly of your typical store-front type of business) will be a concept known only to a minority.
 
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Wal-mart started as a small store. What differentiated it was the owner, Sam Walton, got off his ass and made deals. Your average mom-and-pop store does not want to do that. It wants to sit on its ass and enjoy the markup because its customers can't drive 90 miles to get better deals. A lot of the whining about Wal-Mart is simply the combined hue of the lazy + the leftists. It's certainly not coming from W-M workers or customers. It comes from professors and other useless eaters.
Looking at it from another angle, what about the huge role Wal-Mart has played in dismantling a good portion of the American manufacturing industry?
 
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An economic free-for-all under the “free market” mythos is largely responsible for the mess we are in now.
What we have is a very far thing from a free market in most areas. Go to Hong Kong if it's still free - basically no taxes. We don't have anything remotely like that. It is the success of the judeo-statist to persuade the unthinking and unwary that the problems we have now are the result of business rather than the state. Who takes fifty percent of your money in taxes and gives you nothing? That's not a free market by any means.

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Each man for himself in the realm of economics means each man for himself in the realm of politics, too. Libertarian thinking has no answer for us politically and it has no answer for us with economics either.
General statement from someone unqualified to make them. Libertarians have plenty of specific cases related to different industries, and the cases they make for removing regulation are usually plausible.

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Without jews our current capitalist system of economic exploitation will not magically improve. Finance will still take precedence over all – what force is there in the “free market” to say that it does not?
'Exploitation' - commiespeak for forcing you to...decide if you want to buy something or not. You never hear commies speak of people exploited by commie bureaucrats or taxes, do you? You ever hear of "greedy government"? No. You only hear of greedy corporations.

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This just does not make sense. What code of honor do libertarians have? The god religious civil servants worship is the “free market” – is it not?
Civil servants worship the free market? Then why are they working for the government? Civil servants want easy work and lots of benefits. If they had ambition they wouldn't work for the government.

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You are desperately trying to clothe NS economic principles in neo-libertarian rags, why make such a disingenuous effort? Why not call a NS a NS and be done with it?
You don't anything about NS economics. It involved cartels and slave labor, among other things. I don't support those.

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If the WN State is our friendly big brother in the political realm why can’t it be our friendly big brother in the economic realm too? Politics for the good of the race + economics for the good of the race = National Socialism no matter how you want to avoid it.
Yeah, and how do you know someone is working for the good of the race? That sounds like something Erich Gliebe or one of his crook buddies would lie in order to mulct you. The only duty of the top-level government is to defend the collective. The rest can be carried out through private, voluntary associations. Let anyone who wants to print money do it - and let the buyer beware. There is no safety, let alone government-guaranteed safety. Only at the price of enslavement, and that's not worth it. That's where we become less than white men, we become ants or dependants.

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This is just nonsensical too. Robber Barons, sweat shops, quacks, frauds, etc all THRIVED under laze faire capitalism.
Ooh, all the scare words with no objective meaning other than you-don't-like-them. I guess 2009 was supposed to blow up out of the pasture with no intervening development; I guess everything is supposed to be comfortable and well paid, and the Holy Father in Washington will see that it's so.

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Are you unaware of Sinclair’s The Jungle? Or do you just not give a damn? You really need to think this attitude through.
So you think meat is safe because we pay a shitload of taxes to meat inspectors? I guess you haven't heard about all the contagion outbreaks in recent years. The point is, which is miles beyond you education and possibly cognition, is that a large and growing body of people has made very great inroads in demonstrating that nearly everything traditionally associated with government and regulation, including meat inspection, is far more cheaply and reliably done through private means. Of course you have no idea of any of this, as your mind has the black of evil private meatpackers wanting to poison their customer vs. the white of the angelic inspectors who will stop at nothing to make our meat supply the safest on earth.

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You are walking us right back down the path that we trod 100 years ago. Reforms on destructive corporations and monopolies were only won at the expense and ruination of 10s of thousands of White lives and families.
Ah, the good old tyme commie religious hymn: the people who take 50% of your money at gunpoint are the good guys - the people who pay 100% of your salary and offer you endless things to buy at reasonable prices are the bad guys.

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“OSHA/union bullshit” also saved White lives. Why do you insist that we play this same game out again? Call a spade a spade – place a National Socialist structure regulating a healthy series of guidelines and restrictions on businesses - and be done with it.
Ah, the faith in regulation, even dumber than the faith in Jesus. Do you think regulators are drawn from angels? Do you think they're some unqiue kind of human that is all-knowing and incorrupt? Or do you think they're a bunch of half-competent bureaucrats half-assedly enforcing regulations devised by the very industries you fear?

All you get when you support regulation is taxes.

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White victims of economic exploitation just don’t enter into your way of thinking at all do they? A free-for-all Willie Wonka world with children’s heads being lopped off by bubble mixing machines is hardly worth the struggle we are facing.
You're a communist with the fears of a child.

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Do you want your gastro surgery at your local hospital or would you prefer it at the Mayo clinic? Small and simple is not always the most desirable or what we should be aiming at. The point is that we Whites should be collectivizing to rule our world and advance to the stars – because we find it good, necessary and challenging - not dispersing and escaping to the backwoods - because we find it momentarily satisfying. The former is Life-Affirming and the latter Life-denying. Our economics SHOULD BE MADE TO CONFORM TO THE FORMER.
Spoken like a true buhlieving NA cultist. Here's what I'm trying to impress upon you: Economics has laws of its own; it cannot be made to conform to ideology.
 
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Of course. The ultimate goal is a final and complete separation. I had in mind parts of Alabama and Georgia where negroes are an outright majority in many counties. I come from this area. Clearing the Deep South of non-Whites will be a more arduous process than deporting them from lily White Northern Missouri/Iowa. It will undoubtedly take many years to accomplish.
Not if the jews are gone. I think it's in Turner Diaries where they drive the van with a loudspeaker down the street and tell all the niggers to get over to the high school football field or they'll be shot. I think nig removal even from heavy-infestation areas is a minor technical problem at best.

BTW, I guess we might be lily-ish up here compared to your neck of the woods, but I can assure you there are plenty of niggers all the way up through Northern Missouri, Iowa and Minnesota. There are plenty of niggers in the twin cities, and plenty in the Quad Cities area too. Anywhere there's a river or a main road there are niggers.

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I can see your point about the attitude (ridicule and contempt) that we should adopt towards conservatives. I've had many exchanges with John Zmirak. I'm not a fan of Justin Raimondo or Tom Fleming either. All three have repeatedly attacked White Nationalists over the past year or two.
Yes. On my other post I discussed the typical grad-graduates (Ph.D's) mentality - it is essentially impossible to get these people to fight, let alone fight with gusto. They just can't get over seeing it as declasse. I did see a great Fred Scrooby post at Majority Rights the other day. He gets it. He completely grasps the VNN spirit of jewing the jew: the problem is we're not fighting back - not even verbally. That's what I've been trying to teach people to do. The Ph.D.s, even if they can understand the point intellectually, will simply not get down in the gutter and slug it out with the jewscum. But that's what we must do. The only way we can attract average people is by showing we mean it, at least with words at the start, and we do that by giving no quarter. This differentiates us from the chortlers (Limbaugh) who deal with the small stuff and always wave the white flag when they approach the third rail of race. Ph.D.s seem professionally unable to understand that the need always to prove one is right is a weakness, not a strength. Can't we start loving ourselves? Can't we accept that we're good people? That we're not lying? That men 100 years ago like Grant and Stoddard wrote and spoke the truth? We need to assume our case and operate from the basis of laughing at any white who, as a dupe, still maintains the world is flat. And for the dupers and their high-toned Takifag enablers, we need nothing but and must exhibit nothing but relentless accusatory hostility. Only then do we begin to approach bringing a gun to a gunfight. Hitler said, It is not enough to believe; you must fight. Our challenge is not intellectual, is animal. Fight or flight. I mean, there's some thought involved in the best tactics for overcoming the jews, and for setting up the new White state, but in general our battle is simply a fight that we need to raise forces for, not an intellectual puzzle.

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I know there is some overlap between Greg's circle of writers at TOQ and the fringes of paleoconservatism. I'm not sure if this has affected his editorial stance though. After all, TOQ "names the Jew" and endorses the White ethnostate, which is essentially your position. That's hardly conservative. It goes far beyond anything I have seen at Takimag or VDARE.
Certainly it meets my double litmus test for being pro-White - as editorial material. All I'm saying is that I don't see the strategy pursued by Sam Francis bearing any more fruit than it ever did now that it championed by Kevin Macdonald and Greg Johnson. I think it will produce what it always has: lots of good essays and books, but no change. Of course they can do what they think best, but I think if some of these brains would form a White ADL rather than hold another groupthink symposium our cause could get somewhere. Ten years of Internet publishing have pretty much laid our case out for everybody to see, the spirit of the times is to form a real group. Not an NA type group, not a civil rights group, but an agitation and advocacy group. I'm done talking about that unless I do it myself, as only losers expect others, particularly those they criticize and mock, to take up their own standard if they won't themselves. That's Canny Sammy territory.

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I don't have any problem ruthlessly attacking and mocking mainstream conservatives. 99% of them attack us out of political expediency. There are only a handful of prominent conservatives (probably less than 50) who are even remotely sympathetic to White Nationalism.
I think the key to understanding the conservatives is that no matter what they say, if we were a real power, not one of them would put a pinky toe in the way of our juggernaut out of the diversity principles they espouse today, no matter how much they privately disagree. I look at the cons, I see weakness and self-interest, nothing else.

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I'm not in the habit of attacking people who don't attack us. That's my litmus test. If no gunfire is emanating from their side, I choose other targets. White Nationalists have allies, sympathizers, and people who won't stand in our way. I see no reason to attack friendlies or neutrals. They're not impeding our efforts so long as they remain silent.
I generally agree, but I would say that anyone who affects to lead us but does not go after the jew is the enemy or, if he's simply wrong, effectively serving the enemy, amounting to the same thing.
 
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