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Old April 12th, 2011 #1
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Default Seeking systematic analyses of the destructive effects of christ-lunacy from a White racial perspective

Post links to the best analyses you know of. I'd like to get them all in one place. Even if you don't have link but you know a certain book covers it, mention that.
 
Old April 12th, 2011 #2
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I'll go out on a jewish limb here

"There was a flaw in the intellectual foundation of America from the start: the attempt to combine the Enlightenment approach in politics with the Judeo-Christian ethics. For a while, the latter element was on the defensive, muted by the eighteenth-century spirit, so that America could gain a foothold, grow to maturity, and become great. But only for a while. Thanks to Immanuel Kant, as I have discussed in my book The Ominous Parallels, the base of religion--faith and self-sacrifice--was re-established at the turn of the nineteenth century. Thereafter, all of modern philosophy embraced collectivism, in the form of socialism, Fascism, Communism, welfare statism. By now, the distinctive ideas at the base of America have been largely forgotten or swept aside. They will not be brought back by an appeal to religion.

What then is the solution? It is not atheism as such--and I say this even though as an Objectivist I am an atheist. "Atheism" is a negative; it means not believing in God--which leaves wide open what you do believe in. It is futile to crusade for a negative; the Communists, too, call themselves atheists. Nor is the answer "secular humanism," about which we often hear today. This term is used so loosely that it is practically contentless; it is compatible with a wide range of conflicting viewpoints, including, again, Communism. To combat the doctrines that are destroying our country, out-of-context terms and ideas such as these are useless. What we need is an integrated, consistent philosophy in every branch, and especially in the two most important ones: epistemology and ethics. We need a philosophy of reason and of rational self-interest, a philosophy that would once again release the power of man's mind and the energy inherent in his pursuit of happiness. Nothing less will save America or individual rights.

There are many good people in the world who accept religion, and many of them hold some good ideas on social questions. I do not dispute that. But their religion is not the solution to our problem; it is the problem. Do I say that therefore there should now only be "freedom for atheism"? No, I am not Mr. Kemp. Of course, religions must be left free; no philosophic viewpoint, right or wrong, should be interfered with by the state. I do say, however, that it is time for patriots to take a stand--to name publicly what America does depend on, and why that is not Judaism or Christianity.

There are men today who advocate freedom and who recognize what ideas lie at its base, but who then counsel "practicality." It is too late, they say, to educate people philosophically; we must appeal to what they already believe; we must pretend to endorse religion on strategic grounds, even if privately we don't.

This is a counsel of intellectual dishonesty and of utter impracticality. It is too late indeed, far too late for a strategy of deception which by its nature has to backfire and always has, because it consists of confirming and supporting the very ideas that have to be uprooted and replaced. It is time to tell people the unvarnished truth: to stand up for man's mind and this earth, and against any version of mysticism or religion. It is time to tell people: "You must choose between unreason and America. You cannot have both. Take your pick."

If there is to be any chance for the future, this is the only chance there is."

Leonard Piekoff

(Some have accused Dr. Piekoff, correctly, of being insane. But he is not insane all the time) FWIW

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Old April 12th, 2011 #3
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He's right about atheism at least - christians are always at pains to insist that if you reject their god it implies believing this, that, or horrible other - which in itself is a very characterically jewy way of arguing. It is exactly the same as the jew saying, if you don't believe in race-mixing you're a "hater."
 
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I believe "Which Way Western Man" has a chapter or two on the author's trip through institutional christianity from the perspective of a man on the path to becoming a priest, if i recall correctly.

Duke's book may also have a section.
 
Old April 12th, 2011 #5
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He's right about atheism at least - christians are always at pains to insist that if you reject their god it implies believing this, that, or horrible other - which in itself is a very characterically jewy way of arguing. It is exactly the same as the jew saying, if you don't believe in race-mixing you're a "hater."
As a Christian I don't say such things...I often find myself at odds with other Christians and their perspectives, and they mine. Fair enough I suppose

This site from the New York Public Library, Dorot Jewish Division, which documents Jews in America, also documents Christian involvement with Judaism since it arrived here in America.....not only compromising White racial survival, but twisting Christianity into something never intended.

Jewes in America: Conquistadors, Knickerbockers, Pilgrims, and the Hope of Israel
 
Old April 12th, 2011 #6
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I don't know that there are many books like this. That said, it's not really hard to envisage what such arguments might look like. Christianity has been the motivator of both external and internal destructive actions. External examples could be the Spanish conquest of America, where the motivation was to "civilize the savages and bring them to Christendom" thus creating the blight of modern Latin America. Internal examples would be Vatican II or US Prot denominations assisting Third World mass immigration causes or drumming up support for Zionism. This is because Christianity is at its core subversive - the New Testament being replete with nihilistic ideas ranging from gender egalitarianism to judeo-supremacy to humanism.

The most sophisticated critique of Christianity from a white perspective was done by Ludwig Klages but his works have never been translated into English to my knowledge.
 
Old April 12th, 2011 #7
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He's right about atheism at least - christians are always at pains to insist that if you reject their god it implies believing this, that, or horrible other - which in itself is a very characterically jewy way of arguing. It is exactly the same as the jew saying, if you don't believe in race-mixing you're a "hater."
Many will insist that atheism is a religion. Ben Stein made some documentary (Expelled) about how intelligent design (fancy words for creationism) is being kept out of the classroom. I believe he makes the point that religion creates a barrier against nazism and eugenics and that kind of stuff.
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Old April 12th, 2011 #8
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This is a source that came in today from We Hold These Truths...an anti Zionist Christian source...thought some might find it of interest:

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We're excited about our two new new podcast programs:

Christ Followers Bible Study: http://whtt.podbean.com/category/whtt/cfbible-study/ This is a Bible investigation that also challenges the beliefs and dogmas held by Christian Zionist. Try listening to one, you might want to subscible. There's no charge.

Pharisee Watch & Unheralded News: http://whtt.podbean.com/category/wht...heralded-news/ We look into and comment on the events of the day that don't get the attention and interpretation they should get.

You can also subscribe to our podcasts on iTunes (in "Search" just enter "WHTT"): http://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/whtt/id431438496#



Why not give a listen to our latest podcast, "Please Mr.Gethner, Don't Take Our Social Security Away": http://whtt.podbean.com/2011/04/06/p...security-away/



Thanks,



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Old April 13th, 2011 #9
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[Did Christianity engineer a people stupid enough to believe in Christianity?]

Review of Hereditary Genius: An Inquiry into its Laws and Consequences

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October 31, 2009

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What caused European man to degenerate? The success of the ancient world brought in less intelligent immigrants. Then the Catholic Church came along and made some of the brightest men and women take vows of celibacy. Intelligent men who weren’t priests often became heretics and ran afoul of the various Inquisitions that were set up to ensure religious orthodoxy.

Galton could have mentioned the Thirty Years’ War which wiped out 15–30% of the population of Germany. Those percentages dwarf even the victims of communism in the 20th century.

One could speculate that militant Christianity created a European who has held on to his intelligence to some extent but has lost the ability to think outside the box of what’s socially acceptable. And if he thinks bad thoughts, he certainly doesn’t express them.
http://www.toqonline.com/blog/hereditary-genius/

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Saving Civilization (Part 1)

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For Galton, there was no question that racial differences in intelligence were linked to heredity. While he acknowledge the existence of occasional Africans of high intelligence, he stated that, "he average intellectual standard of the negro race, is some two grades below our own."; He added that great numbers of Negroes were "half-witted" and that visitors to Africa rarely met tribal chiefs who could be regarded as their intellectual equals. Galton's pronouncements weren't limited to non-whites however. He blamed Europe's decline on earlier Church practices such as celibacy which prevented the most intelligent people from breeding as well as for the persecution of heretics who were often "the most fearless, truthseeking and intelligent". Galton argued that, as a result, Catholic countries such as Italy and Spain lost their cultural prominence. He concluded that, "the wonder is that enough good remained in the veins of Europeans to enable their race to rise to its present, very moderate level of natural ability."
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Revilo P. Oliver wrote a few books and many articles with references about christ-lunacy. I have not read all his material as-of-yet, but I know there is a lot of good material there. There was a Roman by the name of Celsus who wrote a book titled "The True Doctrine," which addressed the christ-eaters? These are not scientific works, but they are a start.
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Old April 13th, 2011 #11
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[Did Christianity engineer a people stupid enough to believe in Christianity?]

Review of Hereditary Genius: An Inquiry into its Laws and Consequences

Richard Hoste
October 31, 2009



http://www.toqonline.com/blog/hereditary-genius/

October 11, 2009

Saving Civilization (Part 1)



http://drvitelli.typepad.com/provide...ilization.html
Thanks, Mike. You are a real asset to this forum. If we all had your brains and NBF's wit, our race would be triumphant in very short order.
 
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I'm not sure the thing i'm thinking of has ever been written:

"How Christian Patterns of Thought and Behavior Prevent the White Race from Recognizing and Defending Itself."

That's more or less it.
 
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From King James Bible - Galatians 3:28.

"There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus."
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And by extension - "There is neither black nor brown nor yellow nor white: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus."

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Post links to the best analyses you know of. I'd like to get them all in one place. Even if you don't have link but you know a certain book covers it, mention that.
I presume you mean excluding Oliver of whose corpus I believe you to be aware?

Elmer Pendell's 'Why Civilisations Self-Destruct' has implicit reference to it (it is available in reprint).

Also Mathilde Ludendorff (last wife of General Erich Ludendorff) wrote pretty extensively on it in her many books: four of which have been translated into English (although these don't include the books that she goes into her in-depth critique of Christianity). See here.

There is also a pretty extensive NS literature on the subject, but most of which; outside Anton Holzner, is untranslated from the original German. There are English-language academic summaries of their positions available however if you'd be content with that.

Savitri Devi spent a lot of time on it over her various books and Goodrick-Clarke gives a good summary of the whole gamut of racialist critiques of Christianity in his 'Black Sun' and Matthias Gardell also has some reference to it in 'Gods of the Blood'.

You could also try Alexander Rudd Mills' 'The Call of our Ancient Nordic Religion' and 'The Odinist Religion' both of which contain critiques of Christianity (both are available in reprint).

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I believe "Which Way Western Man" has a chapter or two on the author's trip through institutional christianity from the perspective of a man on the path to becoming a priest, if i recall correctly.
Yep: he spends a lot of time on his early pre-racial years and later on his transformation via Nietzsche into a racialist.

As to Duke (as much as I loathe the man): his (positive) comments as to Christianity (and Islam) are in 'Jewish Supremacism' (don't know about 'My Awakening') pp. 79-95 in both the 1st and 2nd editions.

You might find John Allegro's later work to be of interest (e.g. 'The End of a Road' (1970) and 'Physician Heal Thyself...' (1983)) as it directly feeds in to much of Oliver's influential racialist critique of Christianity although Oliver only ever cited 'The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross', 'The Copper Scroll' and 'The Dead Sea Scrolls and the Christian Myth' to my knowledge.
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I'm not sure the thing i'm thinking of has ever been written:

"How Christian Patterns of Thought and Behavior Prevent the White Race from Recognizing and Defending Itself."

That's more or less it.
It does vaguely sound like the basic thrust of Paul de Lagarde's 'Deutsche Schriften' (2 Vols) and 'Konservativ?', but de Lagarde argued that Christianity by itself was not the actual problem rather that the Pauline interpretation of Christianity was the actual issue. A line of argument repeated by people like Theodor Fritsch in his 'Beweis=Material gegen Jahwe' and attacked by Wilhelm Marr in his Nachlass (aimed largely at Fritsch) as well as Mathilde Ludendorff in her work (where she rejected Christianity as jewish and suggested God-cognition as an alternative to atheism).

I think what you describe has been generally written Alex, but not in the specific form in which you conceive it and not in the English language. The closest I can think of would be Johann von Leers' 'Der Kardinal und die Germanen' and 'Odal' (the latter is sometimes in 2 Vols as it is circa 800 pages and is Leers' critique of Christianity, its influence and his alternative based on Listian Germanic paganism).
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Revilo P. Oliver wrote a few books and many articles with references about christ-lunacy. I have not read all his material as-of-yet, but I know there is a lot of good material there. There was a Roman by the name of Celsius who wrote a book titled "The True Doctrine," which addressed the christ-eaters? These are not scientific works, but they are a start.
You mean Celsus: it has been extrapolated from Origen's quotations of it by Hoffman and is available from OUP.

If antiquarian critiques of Christianity are in play the Emperor Julian's works on it are invaluable (three volumes in HUP's Loeb Classical Library series [13, 29 & 157]).

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Many will insist that atheism is a religion.
Atheism is by definition a religion (agnosticism is as well although that is more open to debate): what it isn't is a theism as it is the religious rejection of theist and deist hypotheses for various different reasons. There is also secular/political religion to contend with incidentally.
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Hey, Karl, all this stuff is very helpful, I appreciate it. Much of it I have not heard of. It is shameful how much good NS and other German stuff has never been translated. Greg Johnson seems to be the only one doing such at the moment, and a lot of it is not really on point.

The stuff I'm talking about is there, but more in bits and pieces, or as stuff that comes up tangentially to stuff writers are discussing. I would like to see the thing treated squarely, full on.

I'm really handicapped by own lack of education in this area. I've never taken a religious course in college, and have only personal experience to rely on. But more and more, I can see that this fucking cult is pretty much the main obstacle our race faces to dealing with the real obstacle - jews.
 
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Actually, despite my title, i dont even necessarily mean racial. I mean, a systematic general study of the way christianity distorts the mind.

Isn't it funny, we have entire bookshelves filled with

- how you should eat
- how you should exercise

But really we don't have "here's how to use your brain." Peope tell you WHAT to think, but not how to think.
 
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Atheism is by definition a religion (agnosticism is as well although that is more open to debate): what it isn't is a theism as it is the religious rejection of theist and deist hypotheses for various different reasons. There is also secular/political religion to contend with incidentally.
Interesting. I've heard some say that an agnostic is really an athiest as well (and vice-versa).

Typically most people like to believe they have supernatural powers - pray for miracles, guardian angel to protect them from harm, that sort of thing.
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Alex, Google scholar may provide some things you'll find interesting as well...here's one search in the general area of what you're looking for..

This one
might be better for you though...
 
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