#1 Infighting (sic - fighting) Thread

[Hadding]

Originally Posted by Jimmy Marr

I agree with you 99% of the time on the value of truth.

I disagree, however, that TRUTH can serve as our highest value.

Highest value, in my opinion, must be placed on existence itself. For me, this is not a matter of truth vs. falsity as much as it is a matter life vs. death.

I think lots of people, maybe even most people, don't care too much about truth, but if we can first show them that believing lies is killing them, then I think they're going to be more likely to start showing a keener interest in truth.

I think that's mostly what I try to accomplish with my piping. I want White people to feel themselves dying.

"The prerequisite for action is the will and the courage to be truthful." - Adolf Hitler.

This is how the Northern European soul works. If we don't believe that we have truth on our side, we lose all confidence. So it's something that we have to cultivate.

No plan of action is likely to work without truth anyway.

[Alex Linder]

Originally Posted by Sean Gruber

White tent pole 1000 CE to 1750 CE: "Jebus." Became liberalism.

I'd say it started as liberalism.

White tent pole 1750 CE to 2000 CE : "Freedom (brand neutral)." Became greed.

Government's tendency is to expand. Non-whites make better govt clients than independent, functional, intelligent whites, because they don't need EBT, welfare, social services the way niggers and whites on the level of niggers do.

White tent pole now: WN. This has good potential because it isn't abstract or indemonstrable. Race is a principle, yet concrete. The others were substitutes for concretes, universalist anyone-can-join wind.

It must be an absolute dictatorship on race and racial defense. If that is in place, the rest can be left up to the white citizens, who will arrange themselves variously. But the racial basis of the society will be

- understood by all
- enforced by capital punishment
- agreed to contractually at 18 or 21 by new adults

The man whom no one likes, obsesses over, fears, or attacks tried erecting an early somewhat limited model of the WN tent pole in the '30s, but it got crushed by the united military power of the modern world. That made things scittery for a spell. We're achin' to barn-raise again, though, if the girls will stand back.

He tried to reform the people pretty directly. I don't agree with his approach, I don't think there's anything fundamentally wrong with whites. It truly is the case, I believe, that if you remove the jew, with its incessant lying, poisoning and degeneracy promoting, things will snap back to normal in short order. I really believe that.

As part of central defense, have a school of highest rigor in the necessary arts and sciences. The common whites will respect this, and it will be a thing of great prestige to gain admittance.

Fund the central government with a 1% tax on something, income or sales.

For the rest, no need to micromanage. We're WHITE men. We don't need people to tell us what to do, we need to not be attacked as a race and not have a bunch of top-down imposed solutions that require US to serve the central pigs, whether white or other.

[Alex Linder]

Originally Posted by Hadding

Very few people in the USA have enough understanding of what national-socialism is even to consider it as an option.

You ought to figure out how to explain this in the simplest way. First, develop a schematics. Then roll out the descrips of individual pieces.

How precisely do money and the economy work in an NS state? How do the media work?

[Donnie in Ohio]

Can't you call it something other than National Socialism? For North America, I mean.

Isn't there a famous Hitler quote that (roughly) says he believed NS was intrinsically German and didn't believe it (NS) was for export?

[Alex Linder]

Originally Posted by Hadding

The ancient Greeks were possibly the most individually competitive people ever, but even they could come together against the Persian Empire, once their peninsula had been invaded and it was clear that they all faced the dire danger of being subjugated. If they hadn't come together, the Persians would have conquered.

Moderate infighting is okay for maintaining your chops until an external enemy comes along, but at that point it becomes a serious liability. That was a major reason for National-Socialism in Germany, to prevent that.

When I talk about infighting, I'm talking about the struggle to take power, as the various nationalist and conservative groups did battle to, essentially, take on the liberals and communists for political control of Germany. Right now, there is no agreement on who will lead, let us say, Normal Whites, which I take as our target market, so to speak. There are many different approaches. This is why debate is good. It illuminates things for everyone, so we can see all sides, and it stirs up and around fresh or improved ideas. After WN has taken power and formed a new state, no one will be allowed to disagree on race, because that is the commonly accepted and literally signed off on contractual basis of the new state. And it will be a capital penalty to attempt to undermine it. But no one will bother because there won't be any jews in the country or coloreds for the xtian sickos to play with.

When you are engaged in a struggle and there are people ostensibly on your side who behave as internal enemies, undermining and misdirecting, the purpose of focusing negative attention on such individuals is not to enjoy infighting but to correct them if possible, or else to neutralize them so that they can do no more harm.

In this milieu, a good way to neutralize a destructive influence is by compiling that person's record and demonstrating the destructive pattern.

I don't attack anybody just out of a whim.

You da man, Hadding. You show them turds who's boss.

You're an asset to our cause, Hadding, and I appreciate your fine work. And deprecate your occasional bouts of getting-it deficiency.

[Alex Linder]

Originally Posted by Robbie Key

Greg Johnson accuses Anglin of doing drugs:

http://www.counter-currents.com/2014...#comment-56473

I swear to you all, when Greg Johnson first started writing at VNN, he was not such a fucking schoolmarm. He turns out to be prissy and queer, not a good combo. I like the paleo-greggy better than the neo-mealyworm-greggito.

Anglin feels good. He's built a big readership, and he's doing something important with his life. These are good things. The more whites doing such, the better.

We ARE having an effect. What VNN began doing in 2000 - now jew-crit is everywhere on the net. The Jared Taylorites can't even show their face without being laughed down. People are more open to getting it than ever, and more do, as you can see from the comments virtually anywhere. This isn't anything real yet, but the bigger and deeper the pool of people who are Tru-Contexted, as I think of it in tv marketing terms, the better. This is what our education does. The more participating in it, the better for our race. And that's what we must always keep in forefront of our mind: is this "good for whites?"

[Robbie Key]

Originally Posted by Donnie in Ohio

Can't you call it something other than National Socialism? For North America, I mean.

Isn't there a famous Hitler quote that (roughly) says he believed NS was intrinsically German and didn't believe it (NS) was for export?

Hadding Scott analyzed that here:

http://national-socialist-worldview....or-export.html

It's a quote taken out of context. Good research, Hadding.

[zoomcopter]

Originally Posted by Alex Linder

After WN has taken power and formed a new state, no one will be allowed to disagree on race, because that is the commonly accepted and literally signed off on contractual basis of the new state. And it will be a capital penalty to attempt to undermine it. But no one will bother because there won't be any jews in the country or coloreds for the xtian sickos to play with.

A bit harsh, Alex, couldn't we simply send them to ebola field hospitals in Liberia?

[Robbie Key]

Also notice how Greg Johnson slips from acting too honorable to accuse Anglin of being an agent per Liddell's accusation, to he himself accusing Anglin of doing drugs based on the way Mr. Anglin is writing(...).

It's literally only a few hours between these two things. That tells you something about what kind of man Greggy is.

I see nothing wrong in Anglin's writings. They're energetic and often funny, but not incoherent, rambling or 'obsessed' in any way. That's not the sign of a drug-addict, that's the sign of a high-spirited man.

[Alex Linder]

Originally Posted by Sean Gruber

Conservatives fear jews, period. They are cowards. They won't do what works, because they believe that if they really try to win, the jews will make mincemeat of them. They are scared. Even if you put the winning weapon in their hands, they're afraid to use it.

It's like those "No Fear" "Ain't Skeered" bumper stickers. Fear characterizes much of the paralyzed White race.

I like that recent line by Alex to the effect that the main challenge isn't intellectual, it's visceral.

But I think cowards will always be cowards, in other words useless. You can't get these faggots to grow a spine. The goal should be to get them out of the way. And keep them out of the way, since cowards are the most treacherous people on earth apart from jews and homosexuals.

IT WAS ALL A GAME, A WAY OF MAKING A LIVING - joe sobran on professional conservatism, what it's all about...

he means people like coulter, limbaugh, hannity, o'reilly, etc.

The jews set the policy. The facegoys at Fox sell it to middle american doltards as patriotism. since reading books is faggy in USA, no one realizes anymore that American traditions, conservatism, meant britain was NOT our friend, we were to stay OUT of foreign wars and entangling alliances, and government is the PROBLEM domestically, not the solution.

that stuff, which was common when i grew up, is no longer heard in the slightest.

the neocons have rolled their own. just as niggers are the clients 'needing' the welfare state, the white niggers in the military need the warfare state. this should not be underestimated - although the agenda is set by jews, the military inductrial, ie the contractor complex, is very real. the livelihoods of millions depend on eternal warfare, they dont care if jews pick the target. again, this is UNamerican, as we objected at the very start to standing armies, which we now have with us always

conservatives, the costco bulk item, will follow any leader called conservative. he could be a jew neocon. or he could be adolf hitler. it's the same to them. whatever comes out of the tv is authority, no matter what it's pushing. these people dont or cant think, hence their fate is to be manipulated by the organized minority that do. we cant fight this, only recognize it and work with it - it's biology. WE must form the leadership elite that can take authority, and THEN the average cons, the costco cons, will follow us. because we have proved we're right. not intellectually, but biologically. in the way a woman beast accepts the male mate because he bested the competitors in the field.

[Alex Linder]

Originally Posted by Robbie Key

Tomislav Sunic:

http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net...the-dissident/

Euro-American heretics. What a great term.

That is a fucking dumb term. Urine-american = warm trickle of piss weak.

The only thing wrong with white is that it stars with a W instead of an A. But it's short, tight, hard - what we want.

European rhymes with urine, whereas white rhymes with fight.

[Alex Linder]

Originally Posted by Hadding

Part of the problem these days is that there is no Pope of White Nationalism, such as Dr. William Pierce de facto was. The lack of such an authoritative figure espousing concrete principles makes it hard for many to tell who is right and who is wrong in any intramural dispute. People who came along after Dr. Pierce have been corrupting the standards that he set.

While Dr. Pierce was alive, Greg Johnson's manifold contradictions of Dr. Pierce's precepts -- on Israel, the Holocaust, homosexuality, etc. -- would have put him beyond the pale, and the consensus would have been that Greg Johnson was some weirdo trying to pretend to be a White Nationalist. But today, he gets by with all that, and nobody says: this guy is not one of us.

I think he was, but he got sucked back into professional conservatism thru the Vdare/TOO crowd. He likes the status and money. At least he still criticizes jews, regardless of his silly stuff about metapolitics. We can use all the smart men criticizing jews we can get, it all plays in to the bigger picture.

A dozen years after his death, Dr. Pierce's influence has faded considerably. But there are other principles that one can use to demonstrate who is right and who is wrong.

Has it? i see more jew-crit than ever. That has to be attributed to Pierce and those who took understanding from him.

What I always look for is, which one is lying? Which one is trying to convince people with emotionally manipulative rhetoric rather than facts and logic? Those are, I think, solid criteria for demonstrating who is wrong.

Anybody that values truth should respect those criteria. Anybody that doesn't value truth is an enemy.

I see it this way: the freako weirdos, the tiny minorities can't win except by lying - jews and queers. That's WHY they flock to the media. So it's not like you really have to worry about individual cases when you know the pattern.

The media don't cover up and lie for any other reason than they have to to pass their program. They can't write honestly about ANYTHING related to the social change they want, or they would lose. They KNOW this. Cant write honestly about

black crime
homosexual behavior
jewish agenda

All they do is attack their enemy, undermine his confidence, tell him he's a hater for holding traditional attitudes, reassure him he's on the wrong side of history and a dinosaur headed for extinction. The tiny minority rushes to the media to position itself to browbeat and intimidate the normal majority.

The important thing is not the individual honesty or dishonesty but to see the overall pattern, and more than that the necessity. The judeo-left acts as it does because it has no other option if it desires power. It acts, then, rationally. Calling it stupid, as the professional conservatives do, does nothing but obscure its true mission, and thereby aid it.

[Jimmy Marr]

Originally Posted by Donnie in Ohio

Can't you call it something other than National Socialism?

National Liberationism wouldn't be too far off the mark in my opinion.

[Donnie in Ohio]

Originally Posted by Jimmy Marr

National Liberationism wouldn't be too far off the mark in my opinion.

Gadsden flag, of course.

[Alex Linder]

Originally Posted by Jimmy Marr

I agree with you 99% of the time on the value of truth.

I disagree, however, that TRUTH can serve as our highest value.

It's like A3Po become American Freedom Party.

Whites just seem congenitally unable to take their side in an argument. We are, then, the liberal race, by Frost's famous definition.

We are not about some abstraction, we are about us. Our racial health and protection. That's it. Like 'La Raza' - the race. That's all.

[Cesar Tort]

Originally Posted by Hadding

Part of the problem these days is that there is no Pope of White Nationalism, such as Dr. William Pierce de facto was.

Some of Anglin’s commenters are wrong in those threads. They say that enough is enough and the debate must end. The exact opposite is truth. The Colin & Greg girls must be thoroughly exposed.

Alex is right: it’s within the white nature to quarrel. I am old enough to remember every Sunday the comic strip Prince Valiant by Hal Foster. In times of peace the only way the knights found a healthy way to control their fighting drives was organizing tough tournaments: the Aryan way. Today’s WNsts of the type that recently visited Hungary are the opposite. They have become feminized beyond recognition. The coming crash of the dollar—:

The Coming Stock Market Crash and The Death of Money with Jim Rickards - YouTube

The Coming Stock Market Crash and The Death of Money with Jim Rickards - YouTube

—, the ensuing chaos and eventual racial wars in the largest US cities (and also in London and Paris and Amsterdam) will vindicate Pierce. When it hits the fan (see the above interview of Jim Rickards) no angry white will ever listen the softer voices in WN.

Originally Posted by Alex Linder

He [Hitler] tried to reform the people pretty directly. I don't agree with his approach, I don't think there's anything fundamentally wrong with whites. It truly is the case, I believe, that if you remove the jew, with its incessant lying, poisoning and degeneracy promoting, things will snap back to normal in short order. I really believe that.

If that’s true, how would you explain that the Iberians blundered on a continental scale precisely when they became extremely Jew-wise? 1492 marks both the expulsion of the Jews from Spain and the discovery of the American continent—and the Iberians rapidly mud-blooded their gene pool with both Amerinds and then with imported blacks. (Take note that by then the Inquisition targeted the crypto-Jews as the Old Christians had already detected the tricks of the so-called New Christians, the converted kikes.)

It’s precisely because whites are so screwed up (in addition to MacDonald’s writings on “white pathology” see the diatribes against degenerate whites in both Pierce novels) that we must conclude that the Führer’s way is the only way (see e.g., “Niflson responds to Linder”).

[Jimmy Marr]

Originally Posted by Hadding

No plan of action is likely to work without truth anyway.

I agree, but before we can even determine whether or not a plan works, we must agree on a goal. My goal is to reduce the question to whether or not White people, as a racial type, should continue to exist. That, per se, is not a true or false question. It's a value judgement. It's a matter of aesthetics, and only after a clear preference is established, we can begin to wield the sword of truth in it's pursuit.

The question I'm trying to get White people to ask themselves is so fundamental that most of us assume the answer is affirmative, but I haven't found this to be so, and this leads to a question of why, which then returns us to the terra firma of comparative truth vs. fairy tales.

I believe the cause of White people's indifference to their collective mortality is their unconscious acceptance of the lie of personal salvation via the existential anesthesia of christ-insanity.

Who, in his right mind, is going to lay down his life for the benefit of his posterity if he thinks he can live forever by virtue of his faith in kike-jesus?

That's ground zero in the only battle for truth that I'm interested in fighting, and when some dipshit blocks me from even commenting on it, I don't care how many swastikas he has tattooed on his bald head, he's my enemy.

[Joe_Smith]

Originally Posted by Hadding

Why are you injecting this shit about the so-called Armenian Holocaust on this thread? It has nothing to do with the subject here.

The so-called Armenian Holocaust was also largely a Zionist-Jew invention.

To demonstrate how Jews use Holocaust-denial as a vital strategy for advancing their political interests and censor any Jew in their fold who accepts the Armenian genocide. All while Jared Taylor accepts the Hollywood-version of the Holocaust and bans everyone that disagrees.

The Holocaust is the most serious and politically influential blood libel in human history. You have to be a drooling dolt (or controlled opposition) to not see why it is important to fully debunk-especially since it isn't true in the first place!

P.S., The Armenian genocide was orchestrated by the Young Turks (who were mostly Jewish forced converts to Islam) and Ataturk (who was half doenmeh/Jewish) himself. The Young Turk secular movement, which de-islamized Turkey, was also funded by Jews in Thessaloniki, as well as gave arms to the Bolsheviks in Russia after taking power.

[Alex Linder]

Originally Posted by Hadding

"The prerequisite for action is the will and the courage to be truthful." - Adolf Hitler.

This is how the Northern European soul works. If we don't believe that we have truth on our side, we lose all confidence. So it's something that we have to cultivate.

No plan of action is likely to work without truth anyway.

He and Goebbels said overtly that propaganda had to be truthful. The jews lie about this, and the rank-and-file conservatives, especially the patriotards/tea partiers, repeat their lies.

So we know:

Hitler advocated and practiced the use of the Big Lie
Hitler supported gun control

Those are probably the two most prominent anti-Hitler uses on the unthinking right. The ones you see often on social media.

[Joe_Smith]

Originally Posted by Alex Linder

It's like A3Po become American Freedom Party.

I'm familiar with the inner core of AFP, and apparently these crusty old conservatives are convinced that the answer to recruiting whites is to mimick the Tea Party.

Hence the dumb name and crappy, sterile symbols. Most of the people in the Tea Party are clueless Jew-loving baby boomers pissed off because slightly higher taxes mean they take 2 Carribean cruises a year instead of 3. Tea Party, as a whole , gives not one fuck about the fate of their kids or grandkids, and emphasizes individualism while senselessly attacking racial collectivism.

The kike Emma Goldman had it right when she said "if voting made a difference, it would be illegal." If the Tea Party had potential to change anything, it would face many more challenges from the establishment than it does. A real fight for freedom would take a lot more energy, creativity, and moral courage than the collective body of the Tea Party would ever be able to muster. Yet AFP looks to be absorbed or piggy back off this flash in the pan, Jew-led token resistance of elderly white America.