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Old October 18th, 2014 #161
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This is what I mean:



Moreover, the Iberians ruined their gene pool in a continent not because of the Jews, but because they fell prey of the "One Ring" together with Christ-instanity (cf. also my last blog entry).

American WNsts are simply ignoring history from Río Grande to Tierra del Fuego. Only thus they can afford to subscribe "bicausalism Type-A".
I don't really understand what you're saying.

Codreanu - some of his boys turned themselves in after an action knowing they'd be killed and tortured. And they were.



Codreanu's attitude is not correct, either, altho often cited by WN. You could have a healthy christian society, and jews will prosper in it, and be able to split it apart. Perhaps this is what you're saying. Why? Because christianity contains no principle against judaism. Nor anything to safeguard white-racialness. that tells me, but not codreanu that xtianity and racialism dont go together. Why try to square a circle? It wastes your time and annoys the circle.
 
Old October 18th, 2014 #162
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I think the only reason jews didnt appear to dominate in early centuries the way they do now is that the technology to leverage their power didn't exist.

I have never seen anyone address that point; to me it's obvious.

As god is my witness, i have been intellectually honest and addressed every xtian argument i could find, and beaten them all down, best i can tell.

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Old October 18th, 2014 #163
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two major Christian betrayals: the conversion of the Goths that broke the color barrier in the 6th century and, a thousand years later, the green light of a Pope for peninsular males to marry the conquered Amerindian. (In Portugal the church even allowed women to marry a number of imported negroes.)
What betrayal? Christianity admitted all races from day one, and never had a word to say against mongrelism or interracial marriage. Racialists are the idiots trying to use this wacky cult for their own purposes, trying to claim it can somehow be reconciled with race-specific politics.
 
Old October 18th, 2014 #164
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I think the only reason jews didnt appear to dominate in early centuries the way they do now is that the technology to leverage their power didn't exist.

I have never seen anyone address.

As god is my witness, i have been intellectually honest and addressed every xtian argument i could find, and beaten them all down, best i can tell.
Brooks Adams, The Law of Civilization and Decay, explains it.

A society based on agriculture and barter, where the ultimate power belongs to the warrior, has very little place for Jews.

When trade over long distances develops and money comes into use, and power shifts to whoever happens to have the most money, then a society is ripe to be infested and taken over by Jews. Adams refers to Rothschild in his last chapter.

An important reason why Germany reacted against plutocracy and the Jews as they did is that they made the transition from agriculture to international trade so late and therefore so quickly that they were aware of its effects, and in their mentality they hadn't entirely made the transition from Spiritual Man to Economic Man.

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Old October 18th, 2014 #165
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AHAHAHA....

How about something like:

White American Party?
Better but still has implication there can be non-white americans, not so.

just WP
 
Old October 18th, 2014 #166
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I just don't see anything concrete that supports your desire to blame Taylor for the sins of Greggy.
Greggy defends the guy knowing he's wrong. That's how it works.

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I don't see Taylor ever saying that we must support the State of Israel, or that nobody should question the Holohoax. When I posted those instances of Greggy paraphrasing Golda Meir, your reaction was, Aha! Jared Taylor must be behind this! But I found no instance of Taylor ever saying anything like that.
As I said, the only people I've seen use that line are fervent Taylor defenders. And that includes master greggy.

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Taylor is mostly fact-based and objective
Like when he says he takes no position on jews.

He's a liar. That's what you'd concede if you didn't like him. I guess I'll have to step in for you here. Give me your cape. Now...I am Truthman.

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, unless you drag him into a discussion about something that he wants to avoid, then, if he has to bullshit his way out of it, he adopts a tone of befuddled naiveté, not the hysterical "indignation" and hyperventilation that is typical of Greggy.
Lawyerball.

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I see some tendency in you to make excuses for Greggy -- perhaps because of his former association with VNN -- and blaming Taylor for what Greggy does seems to be exactly that.

I have no inclination to make any excuses for that faggot.
I attack both, you're soft as cheese filled with excuse-maggots on the despicable anti-white faggot Taylor.
 
Old October 18th, 2014 #167
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Brooks Adams, The Law of Civilization and Decay, explains it.

A society based on agriculture and barter, where the ultimate power belongs to the warrior, has very little place for Jews.
But they were intermediaries in places like Poland, mainly, and sold the farmer booze and made loan and farmed taxes. They still did better than average. They simply lacked the technology truly to leverage their ethnic network.


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When trade over long distances develops and money comes into use, and power shifts to whoever happens to have the most money, then a society is ripe to be infested and taken over by Jews. Adams refers to Rothschild in his last chapter.
Sure, financiers and international trade. They're not inherently bad things, though, they're good things mostly. The problem here was that white society at no point identified jews as a collective menace. Well, some did, even back to Roman times, but evidently not enough. The church took little notice of them, even with every provocation.

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An important reason why Germany reacted against plutocracy and the Jews as they did is that they made the transition from agriculture to international trade so late and therefore so quickly that they were aware of its effects, and in their mentality they hadn't entirely made the transition from Spiritual Man to Economic Man.
After Napoleon, and then with the industrial revolution...the jews took power across Europe and the US with remarkable speed, from a longer-term perspective. They were always cohesive and organized, but communications and transportation multiplied those advantages.

So really it comes to:

1) who wants to live in whites-only society?

2) how do we achieve that politically?

once we do

3) how do we protect it in perpetuity?

4) how do we arrange things to live among ourselves, for the everyday stuff?

I've answered all these. Not to the depth eventually will, but enough to evoke a strategy that can be argued.

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Old October 18th, 2014 #168
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P.S. And incidentally, New Spaniards were somewhat conscious that race matters. See also another of my latest posts.



This is what I concluded there:
If we look at the history of the Iberian Peninsula from the highest tower of History we see that it is marked by two major Christian betrayals: the conversion of the Goths that broke the color barrier in the 6th century and, a thousand years later, the green light of a Pope for peninsular males to marry the conquered Amerindian. (In Portugal the church even allowed women to marry a number of imported negroes.)


Hey Gandalf, the majority of people in Spanish speaking America are not "mestizos", they are overwhelmingly Amerindian. There are some regions with more mixed-race people, like say, Colombia, but most places like Mexico, all of Central America except Costa Rica, Bolivia, Equador, Peru, etc are just indians who speak Spanish.

The Iberian colonial experience was not that different from secular states like Britain or the Netherlands. British had America and Australia, but the Iberians had the equivalent of Argentina and Uruguay. People like you never mention the teeming mass of mongrels the British left behind in the Carribean, all over Africa (especially South Africa), and the West Indies. Miscegenation was very common in the British Raj until the mid 19th century when women started accompanying their husbands-it should be notable that the majority of Spanish colonies in the America's were independent by the mid 19th century. Nor do they mention a bizarre experiment like Guyana, where the average person is 1/4 dot-Indian, 1/4 feather Indian, 1/4 Negro, and 1/4 white A significant percentage of people in Holland have some Indonesian ancestry, yet people like you dismiss that and keep quoting "The Black Man's Gift To Portugal" as fact.


The Spanish in the Americas had, as you showed, a race-based caste system that was a carbon copy of what Anglos had in North America. In case you didn't know, Jews of race (conversos) were very much present as parasites accompanying those who were discovering and conquering the America's, including in North America.
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Old October 18th, 2014 #169
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What does Jew Alex of the Whiteness project feel about the White race?

http://whitenessproject.org/checkbox/alex

How about Jewess Shayna?

http://whitenessproject.org/checkbox/shayna

"I feel very uncomfortable when it's only white people in the room"- Solves the "puzzling" question Jared Taylor asks himself as to why Jews would want to import more non-whites and mix the races, even if it means the whole country becomes a third world cesspool.
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Old October 18th, 2014 #170
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I attack both, you're soft as cheese filled with excuse-maggots on the despicable anti-white faggot Taylor.
Let's use words with their correct meanings. Greggy is the faggot, not Taylor.

You haven't shown the slightest evidence that Taylor is in any way the cause of what Greggy does. You did the same stuff back when Greggy wrote his idiotic "Dealing with the Holocaust" essay. Jared Taylor must be the cause of this! How? How in hell was there any demonstrable connection between Jared Taylor and Greg Johnson's telling people that they must accept the Holohoax? Taylor, so far as I know, has never had anything to say about the Holohoax. The way you want to blame Taylor for everything, when there is no evidence to support it, is nuts.

I don't think you can show that Taylor is harming anything with his own activities either. Since Taylor's audience is conservatives, the notion that Taylor is curbing some latent anti-Jew tendency among those conservatives surely has little to no substance.

I don't know if you were aware of this, but the conservative media that these people listen to most of the time is stridently pro-Jew. Turn on an AM radio sometime if you didn't know that. Tune to a conservative talk station and listen. Or watch a little bit of Fox News. It would be hard for Taylor to buck that and still even be able to talk to the vast majority of those people. At least he bolsters their healthy tendencies on some racial issues.

Taylor is only doing half the job, but a half-full glass is not something to curse.

And I am sure that it is possible to build on what Taylor is doing, but it takes patience. Throwing rocks at the teacher in the racial kindergarten is not going to make the students in the racial kindergarten want to advance to your level faster. On the contrary, it will just convince them that you older kids are very bad people.

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Old October 18th, 2014 #171
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Here is a table chart of the American WN scene according to Greg Johnson and others :


-------------------------- Vulgar retards ------- Refined intellectuals --- Wholesome church picnickers


Vanguard Elite -------- Anglin & Ransdell ----- Greg Johnson
(true to principles)

Mainstream ------------------------------------------------------------------ Tea Party
(not true to principles)

Halfway equivocators ------------------------------------------------------- Hunter Wallace
(name the Jew only
once in a while)
 
Old October 18th, 2014 #172
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The vanguard/mainstream distinction is ambiguous:

Vanguard = radical? small elite? intellectual? explicit?

Mainstream = watered down? big masses? low brow? implicit?

On the one hand, you have normal, wholesome, slightly stupid masses of White people who think no harm, don't know anything about the Jew, and simply want to go on living their peaceful lives as White people. On the other hand, you have the vanguardists who stick out as sore thumbs in the general population. And each time a man of the people becomes aware of ZOG, he stops being mainstream and becomes a vanguardist, and can be described as somewhat removed from normal White people. Such an analysis of the situation means that you refuse the idea that normal White people can have any political leaders to represent them. So, I think the vanguard/mainstream distinction is artificial and can be counterproductive. The real distinction should be between people who know about the Jew, and those who don't know yet, but will soon learn all about it thanks to our diligent efforts.

In his essay titled "Vanguardism, Vantardism, and Mainstreaming", Greg Johnson says that "our movement should aim to recruit Whites of all social classes who are above average in intelligence, virtue, and taste". I would simply say that we need to unite all Whites who stand against race-replacement. Resisting our collective destruction by racial replacement is a sign of intelligence and moral strength. But we see a lot of smart and moral people who cannot resist the pressure of conformism as well as the pressure of government and media intimidation. They lack the courage and independence of mind. That is where the style of communication used by Anglin, Ransdell, and also Kyle Hunt, can be very useful and persuasive. It will not only work with half-witted proletarians. In fact, those three guys do much more than use words like kike and nigger, they rely a lot on logic and reason, like most opponents to the Jews. Their particular style can appeal to all kinds of people. The Jews, by comparison, completely ignore logic and reason, and are nevertheless able to sway intelligent people, thanks to their control of government and the media.
 
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Changing the subject to Communist atrocities leaves the Jews' lie intact. Then the conclusion will be: Communists and Nazis! Both bad! Neocon Jews can live with that.
On French internet forums, I won't say that I don't believe in the gassed-Jews story because that could lead to a heavy fine in court. What I say is something like this, which is somewhat less likely to lead to a fine :

Today, thanks to the work of the revisionists, the Jewish story seems to be that the holocaust of the Jews by the Germans was a secret operation. That is supposed to explain why no shred of evidence was left. If so, it is wrong to blame the Germans and National Socialism for what was secretly done by only a handful of them. It amounts to racial defamation. Killing Jews was not consubstantial to National Socialism. For example, when you see old pictures of German crowds acclaiming Hitler, you know their enthusiasm had nothing to do with killing Jews. By comparison, the mass murders committed by the Jews in the USSR were not secret operations carried out by a tiny minority of Jews, and they were documented in a number of Western newspapers at the time. The Jews in the West knew about it and still supported their murderous cousins in the East. And the Jewish participation in the mass murder was not a top down operation. They were not simply obeying orders.

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About Greg Johnson: what doesn't make sense is that he seems to think it is possible to defend aspects of National Socialism without first debunking the holocaust story.
 
Old October 18th, 2014 #174
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WE've been over that last (and I agree with the former) - he did not say that - not in the sense that it's used. He meant that germany was AHEAD so he didnt want others using NS to catch up. I believe that is what Hadding said, and he did a writeup on this. How could NS not be copied? There's nothing inherently German about it, apart from use of certain Nordic symbols, I suppose. Hell, even the swastika isn't German.
I'm no expert on National Socialism, that's for sure. I was under the impression that Hitler considered it uniquely German, or at least his definition of "Aryan". Very well could be wrong about that.

Here in America, I know the arguments. That symbols don't matter, that you can get people to rally under any symbol, including the swastika.

I don't disagree. You can get a large majority of the white population to do/say/believe just about anything if you have the power that comes with mass propaganda that starts very early in life. White children today are nothing other than flat-out indoctrinated by the public (and private) educational system in 2014. Brainwashed is another word you could use. Examples abound. They're documented all over the forum.

A group could adopt every single principle of National Socialism but call their system something else, use different symbols and they would have a much easier time getting through initially without the Pavlovian response National Socialism and its symbols engender from a good portion of the white population, at least at this time.

In 25 years, after everyone connected to WWII in any capacity is long dead, the "Bad boy" image that has been used to portray National Socialist since roughly 1939 might actually be an asset.
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Beefs Five: The Saga Continues
Posted on October 18, 2014 by Hunter Wallace

Alex Linder vs. Brad Griffin

Editor’s Note: Unlike Alex Linder, who is an internet personality with a forum and a podcast, I am actually an organizer. In fact, I am getting on the road to go to an event right now, although I won’t be in Georgia where we have another event going on tomorrow.

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http://www.occidentaldissent.com/201...aga-continues/

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Old October 18th, 2014 #176
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October 18, 2014 at 2:52 am

This is Linder’s attempt to respond to my point: after the Jew is named, what then?

He says the answer is to organize, but Jews crush every attempt to organize – why didn’t Pierce himself realize this? VNN has been around for around 14 years. In that entire period, how many times has Linder been seen in public? Has Linder ever done anything besides “name the Jew” and advocate killing people on the internet? Has Linder ever tried to organize anyone against the Jews?

No, his plan is to continue to “name the Jew” until the end of time because he can engage in that sort of slacktivism while sitting in his own house shitting himself every few hours. It’s just another variation on the major flaw of WN which is that there is no step beyond education, entertainment, and fomenting outrage. No thought is given to what happens after the Jew has been named.
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Until Brad Griffen can get 100 people to show in public for a single event, then he can talk about being an organizer, because the attendance I've seen of his events so far couldn't adequately staff a reasonably successful Taco Bell during the lunch rush.

So it's a bit difficult to take him seriously.
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Here is a table chart of the American WN scene according to Greg Johnson and others :


-------------------------- Vulgar retards ------- Refined intellectuals --- Wholesome church picnickers


Vanguard Elite -------- Anglin & Ransdell ----- Greg Johnson
(true to principles)

Mainstream ------------------------------------------------------------------ Tea Party
(not true to principles)

Halfway equivocators ------------------------------------------------------- Hunter Wallace
(name the Jew only
once in a while)
Do any of them fulfill the most basic leadership requirements?

According to Adolf Hitler:

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- “To be a leader means to be able to move masses”

- “The broad masses of a population are more amenable to the appeal of rhetoric than to any other force.”

- “Words build bridges into unexplored regions.”

- “All epoch-making revolutionary events have been produced not by the written, but by the spoken word”.

- "The doom of a nation can be averted only by a storm of flowing passion, but only those who are passionate themselves can arouse passion in others."

- “All propaganda has to be popular and has to accommodate itself to the comprehension of the least intelligent of those whom it seeks to reach.”

- “The leader of genius must have the ability to make different opponents appear as if they belonged to one category."
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Hey Gandalf, the majority of people in Spanish speaking America are not "mestizos", they are overwhelmingly Amerindian.
I’ve lived more than half a century in one of these countries and it’s the first time that I listen someone saying that. Even Judeo-liberal Wikipedia, that deceivingly grants "amnesty" to lots of castizos and harnizos here down the South, acknowledges that pure Amerinds are not the most populous in demographic studies (
Ethnic_groups_in_Latin_America Ethnic_groups_in_Latin_America
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Race_and_ethnicity_in_Latin_America Race_and_ethnicity_in_Latin_America
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I don't really understand what you're saying. Codreanu….
This is Michael O’Meara’s Toward the White Republic:
Our people face extinction not because the Jews or the liberals monopolize the media, force-feed us anti-white ideas, control the leading institutions, and wield all the power and influence. This is a big part of it, to be sure, but to see things solely—or principally—in these terms is to overlook the last two or three centuries of Western history.
Like Sunic, O’Meara believes that capitalism is a larger factor of white decline than Jewish depredations. That’s what I call “bicausalism Type-B”:

This is a copy-paste quote of one of my links above:

These days my classification of “bicausalism” has stirred a long discussion through several threads at Occidental Dissent (see, e.g., here):

1.- Monocausalists – Most of the commenters at Age of Treason, and people like Dave Duke whom I deeply respect. These people believe that there’s but one cause of our woes: the subversive Jews.

2.- Bicausalists Type A – Those who, like Greg Johnson, Alex Linder and some commenters at Linder’s VNN Forum, believe that Jews are the primary cause of our woes, though there are other important factors as well. Unlike monocausalists, these bicausalists also blame our parents’ religion.

3.- Bicausalists Type B – Those who, like Tom Sunic, Manu Rodríguez and I believe that there’s something seriously wrong with us, extremely wrong actually. Whites’ mental issues (which include a Calvinist type of Old Testament Christianity that conquered North America) are the primary infection, and the Judaization of the West, a secondary infection (like AIDS / pneumonia, etc).

This is my corollary to the above classification. Note that I have added a #4, which means an antithetical monocausal stance to the one mentioned above. (Keywords: AoT = the blog Age of Treason; GoV = the blog Gates of Vienna):
1. AoT-like monocausalism – blames Jews 100%, Whites 0%

2. Bicausalism Type-A – assigns a blame above 50% to Jews

3. Bicausalism Type-B – assigns a blame above 50% to Whites

4. GoV-like monocausalism – blames Whites 100%, Jews 0%
Of course, in bicausalism you can either blame one or the other in diverse ratios depending on the specific bicausal individual, say, 90 / 10 percent or inversely 45 / 55 percent, etc.

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What betrayal? [of Iberian Visigoths] Christianity admitted all races from day one, and never had a word to say against mongrelism or interracial marriage.
I was trying to use specifically the case of the history of Spain's conversion to Christianity in the 6th century, and then Latin America as a textbook case of why whites can do it to themselves (thoroughgoing mongrelization) without the help of the subversive tribe.
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Let's use words with their correct meanings. Greggy is the faggot, not Taylor.

You haven't shown the slightest evidence that Taylor is in any way the cause of what Greggy does. You did the same stuff back when Greggy wrote his idiotic "Dealing with the Holocaust" essay. Jared Taylor must be the cause of this! How? How in hell was there any demonstrable connection between Jared Taylor and Greg Johnson's telling people that they must accept the Holohoax? Taylor, so far as I know, has never had anything to say about the Holohoax. The way you want to blame Taylor for everything, when there is no evidence to support it, is nuts.

I don't think you can show that Taylor is harming anything with his own activities either. Since Taylor's audience is conservatives, the notion that Taylor is curbing some latent anti-Jew tendency among those conservatives surely has little to no substance.
Someone presentable and intelligent in public calling himself us and claiming that jews are white. That hurts us.

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I don't know if you were aware of this, but the conservative media that these people listen to most of the time is stridently pro-Jew. Turn on an AM radio sometime if you didn't know that. Tune to a conservative talk station and listen. Or watch a little bit of Fox News. It would be hard for Taylor to buck that and still even be able to talk to the vast majority of those people. At least he bolsters their healthy tendencies on some racial issues.
Whatever. Maybe Bill Pierce should have pulled his punches and not talked about the jew. You're making excuses for this clown because he was nice to you. Which is exactly what I've been bemoaning about our movement: it puts personalities ahead of principles.

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Taylor is only doing half the job, but a half-full glass is not something to curse.
It doesn't work like that, though. The education Taylor supplies is already known. See any mainstream news report on a racial incident. The education is needed on jews, and there Taylor deliberately hides the turth - while claiming he's not taking a position. This is impudent effrontery. Taylor welcomes jews among his people, and says if people dont accept jews as whites they should stay away. Glass half full? Sounds like same old jew-worshiping conservatism to me.

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And I am sure that it is possible to build on what Taylor is doing, but it takes patience. Throwing rocks at the teacher in the racial kindergarten is not going to make the students in the racial kindergarten want to advance to your level faster. On the contrary, it will just convince them that you older kids are very bad people.
No one goes from VNN to AmRen - except greggy. And he doesn't do it for intellectual reasons, he does it for social reasons.

Taylor is the enemy, and we here should be proud to have been the first ones to call him out for what he is, and relentlessly bash him for his jew service. He is now seen by most as exactly what we've said he is: a jew tool.
 
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