Slavs were regarded as Aryan by the Nazis not Untermenschen (subhumans)

[Adolf The Great]

After searching around the internet and seeing many Wikipedia pages and books use the term "Untermenschen" to the Slavs, I would like to know where the Nazis ever said this, it is an allied war time propaganda myth.

There is no doubt that anti-Slav propaganda was used by the Nazis through propaganda, especially during the war to get the soldiers ready and to promote the old battle between Germanic and Slavic people. But what really annoys me is how often they (authors and internet pages) like to make the claim the Nazis viewed them as subhumans when in fact this can be confirmed to be a myth by the Nazis themselves, read the following:

The Ahnenpaß stated that "wherever they might live in the world" Aryans were "e.g. an Englishman or a Swede, a Frenchman or a Czech, a Pole or an Italian".

Source: http://www.jungefreiheit.de/Single-N...1bf199c.0.html

"He (Himmler) then singled out those nations which he regarded as belonging to the German family of nations and they were: the Germans, the Dutch, the Flemish, the Anglo-Saxons, the Scandinavians and the Baltic people. 'To combine all of these nations into one big family is the most important task at the present time' (Himmler said). 'This unification has to take place on the principle of equality and at that same time has to secure the identity of each nation and its economical independence, of course, adjusting the latter to the interests of the whole German living space. . . After the unification of all the German nations into one family, this family. . . has to take over the mission to include, in the family, all the Roman nations whose living space is favored by nature with a milder climate...I am convinced that after the unification, the Roman nations will be able to persevere as the Germans...This enlarged family of the White race will then have the mission to include the Slavic nations into the family also because they too are of the White race . . . it is only with such a unification of the White race that the Western culture could be saved from the Yellow race . . . At the present time, the Waffen-SS is leading in this respect because its organization is based on the principle of equality. The Waffen-SS comprises not only German, Roman and Slavic, but even Islamic units and at the same time has proven that every unit has maintained its national identity while fighting in close togetherness . . . I know quite well my Germans. The German always likes to think himself better but I would like to avert this. It is important that every Waffen-SS officer obeys the order of another officer of another nationality, as the officer of the other nationality obeys the order of the German officer."

Source: Latvian Legion. by Arturs Silgailis, p.348-349

According to the Nazi "Ancestral Proof" all the "the non-Jewish members of all European Volk are Aryans".

Source: The Nazi Ancestral Proof: Genealogy, Racial Science, and the Final Solution by Eric Ehrenreich, p.10

From a purely racial standpoint all European peoples belonged to the Aryan family and were thus fundamentally "racially equivalent", and even according to German ethnology it was impossible to speak of a "Slavic race". The justification against the Slavs lay rather in the point of a "depopulation policy" of the East as Slavs and all non-Germans represented a major völkisch threat, as well as the Nazis struggle against Bolshevism.

Source: "Non-Germans" Under the Third Reich: The Nazi Judicial and Administrative by Diemut Majer, p.63

"Ziemie zajęte przez Niemcy zostały częściowo włączone do III Rzeszy, z pozostałej części utworzono Generalne Gubernatorstwo (GG). Władze niem. wprowadziły podział ludności na Żydów i tzw. aryjczyków (m.in. Polaków), odmiennie traktując obie grupy (Żydów pozbawiły elementarnych praw ludzkich);" what means: "Terrains which were taken by the Germans were being gradually incorporated to the Reich, from the other parts General Government (GG) was created. German authorities introduced a segregation of people on Jews and so-called Aryans (mainly Poles), and both groups were treaten differently (Jews were deprived of basic human rights);".

Source: http://polska_pkurzydym.republika.pl...a_swiatowa.htm

Question: Is it true that the Germans referred to the Russians as "subhumans"?

Answer: Nonsense! The Russians are human beings just like everyone else.

Your question, whether we called the Russians "subhumans," is nonsense. We had a first-class relationship with the Russian people. The only exception, which was a problem we dealt with, was with the Soviet Commissars, who were all Jews. These people stood behind the lines with machine guns, pushing the Russian soldiers into battle. And anyway, we made quick work of them. That was according to order. This was during a war for basic existence, an ideological war, when such a policy is simply taken for granted.

There was sometimes talk about the so-called Asian hordes, and ordinary soldiers sometimes spoke about subhumans, but such language was never officially used.
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—Stephanie Schoeman's interview with General Otto Ernst Remer, 1990

Source: http://www.nazi.org.uk/political%20p...nInterview.pdf

As you can clearly see the Nazis did regard Slavs as Aryan, even the Nüremberg Laws did not effect them.

In fact, the so called evidence for this is suggested by the fact they only liked Germanic people which is nonsense, also... Himmler did say in a speech "Untermenschenvolk des Ostens" (subhuman people of the East) in the Treatment of Peoples of Alien Races in the East but he was not talking about Slavs but the Jewish Bolsheviks. Himmler even said Russians were Aryan (German: "in diesem gepeinigten arischen Volk") when recruiting for the The SS as an Anti-Bolshevik Fighting Organization". The thing is with Himmler is that he wanted Germanic people to be in the East as well he was just pro-Germanic not really pro-Aryan as you can find quite a lot of quotes about Slavs by him that are not nice but that still does not mean Slavs were regarded as non-Aryan and he did not directly call Slavs Untermenschen.

Why do people like to continue about the so-called Slavic subhumans which is clearly a myth?

[M. Gerard]

I know nothing about it but would guess Hitler started off with the idea that the German language group were his people:

Wikipedia (Links)

Germanic_languages

However, that group would have included English and not Italian. But I think I have read that Hitler did not want war with England.

[Adolf The Great]

Originally Posted by M. Gerard

I know nothing about it but would guess Hitler started off with the idea that the German language group were his people:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germanic_languages

However, that group would have included English and not Italian. But I think I have read that Hitler did not want war with England.

What people to fail to understand is that there is a difference between 'Aryan' and 'Herrenvolk' (master race), the National Socialists did say that only the Germanic people were the master race but they still regarded others such as the Slavs, Balts and Celts as 'Aryan'.

I recently tried editing Wikipedia and made a 'new section' in the talk pages on 'Nazism' and 'Untermensch', guess what happened - banned instantly and the content was removed despite the fact its all sourced which just proves there is an agenda with Wikipedia regarding the Aryan-Slavs nonsense they spout. It really is laughable Wikipedia because on the Untermensch page it says "Hitler didn't consider Slavs as Aryans" and the 'source' is Mein Kampf... there is absolutely nowhere in Mein Kampf does Hitler say Slavs are not Aryan and I have read it in three languages (including German) and the only thing Hitler speaks of is the de-Germanization of Austria by the Czechs in Austria-Hungary as the Social Democrats (Jews) were against the Germans in the empire... it really annoys me as well because so many people do believe what is on in Wikipedia.

[Togar mah]

The Slavs - YouTube

The Slavs - YouTube

Anthropological investigation of prehistoric Slav sites appears to support the historical literature, suggesting that Early Slavs were dolicocephalic and fair-haired. Today, physical anthropology, especially cranial indices, has fallen out of favour.

Frequency of the haplogroup R1a (Y-DNA) is predominant and ranges accordingly: 63.39% by the Sorbs, 56.4% in Poland, 54% in Ukraine, 47% in Russia, 39% in Belarus, 15.2% in Republic of Macedonia and 14.7% in Bulgaria.

[Togar mah]

The origins of the Wends (Venadi Sarmatae) remain highly controversial.

It is believed that Germanic peoples originally applied the ethnonym to the ancient Veneti, and that after the migration period they transferred it to their new easterly neighbours, the Slavs.

Tacitus, writing in AD 98 did not refer to the Vistula as a boundary, but simply locates the Veneti among the peoples on the eastern fringe of Germania. He was uncertain of their ethnic identity:
The Veneti have borrowed largely from Sarmatian ways; their plundering forays take them all over the wooded and mountainous country that rises between the Peucini and the Fenni. Nevertheless, they are to be classed as Germani, for they have settled houses, carry shields and are fond of travelling fast on foot; in all these respects they differ from the Sarmatians, who live in wagons or on horseback.

http://youtu.be/dW6WvZE-RYA

[Togar mah]

In rabbinic literature, the kingdom of Ashkenaz was first associated with the Scythian region, then later with the Slavic territories

The Slavs - YouTube

The Slavs - YouTube

In the Hebrew Bible, Ashkenaz (אַשְׁכְּנַז) was the first son of Gomer and brother of Riphath and Togarmah (Genesis 10:3, 1 Chronicles 1:6). Gomer was the grandson of Noah through Japheth. Accordingly, Ashkenaz was a Japhetic descendant of Noah.

According to Jeremiah 51:27, a kingdom of Ashkenaz was called together with Ararat and Minni against Babylon. The location of this kingdom, however, is not clear and is not mentioned again, nor is there any clear non-biblical reference to the kingdom. Ashkenaz is often identified with the Scythians and Sarmatians, due in part to the use of the name "Ashkuz" (Saka) for the Scythians in Assyrian Akkadian inscriptions.

Sarmatian origin of slavic people - YouTube

Sarmatian origin of slavic people - YouTube

It may also refer to the Phrygians, who according to Homer's Iliad settled around Lake Ascania. The Assyrian Gimirri and Hebrew Gomer have likewise been associated with the Cimmerians.

Isaac Asimov has proposed that biblical Ashkenaz (אשכנז) arose from Ashkūz (אשכוז), i.e. the Scythians, by an old misreading of נ (nun) for ו (vav).

According to the Encyclopaedia Biblica, "Ashkenaz must have been one of the migratory peoples which in the time of Esar-haddon, burst upon the northern provinces of Asia Minor, and upon Armenia. One branch of this great migration appears to have reached Lake Urumiyeh; for in the revolt which Esar-haddon chastised the Mannai, who lived to the SW of that lake, sought the help of Ispakai 'of the land of Asguza,' a name (originally perhaps Asgunza) which the scepticism of Dillmann need not hinder us from identifying with Ashkenaz, and from considering as that of a horde from the north, of Indo-Germanic origin, which settled on the south of Lake Urumiyeh.

The region of Ashkenaz was centred on the Rhineland and the Palatinate (notably Worms and Speyer), in what is now the westernmost part of Germany. Its geographic extent did not coincide with the German Christian principalities of the time, and it included northern France. How the name of Ashkenaz came to be associated in the rabbinic literature with the Rhineland is a subject of speculation.

In the 10th century, a distinctive Jewish culture formed in Central Europe and came to be called Ashkenazi, deriving its name from Ashkenaz. Although the region is no longer referred to by that name, Jews who follow traditions that originated in that culture are referred to as Ashkenazi Jews. Ashkenazi culture later spread into Eastern Europe and migrated to all parts of the world with the movement of Jews.

In rabbinic literature from the 11th century, Ashkenaz was considered the ruler of a kingdom in the North.

Caucasian Brothers- Sons of Togramah House from Noah - YouTube

Caucasian Brothers- Sons of Togramah House from Noah - YouTube

In Armenian tradition, Ashkenaz, along with Togarmah, was considered among the ancestors of the Armenians. Koriun, the earliest Armenian historian, calls the Armenians an "Askanazian (=Ashkenazi) nation". He starts the "Life of Mashtots" with these words:
"I had been thinking of the God-given alphabet of the Azkanazian* nation and of the land of Armenia - when, in what time, and through what kind of man that new divine gift had been bestowed..."
Later Armenian authors concur with this. Hovhannes Draskhanakerttsi (10th century) writes:
"...The sixth son was Tiras from whom were born our very own Ashkenaz [Ask'anaz] and Togarmah [T'orgom] who named the country that he possessed Thrace after himself, as well as Chittim [K'itiim] who brought under his sway the Macedonians. The sons of Tiras were Ashkenaz, from whom descended the Sarmatians, Riphath, whence the Sauromatians [Soramatk'], and Togarmah, who according to Jeremiah subjugated the Ashkenazian army and called it the House of Togarmah; for at first Ashkenaz had named our people after himself in accord with the law of seniority, as we shall explain in its proper place."
Because of this tradition, Askanaz is a male given name still used today by Armenians.


Ref:

Jump up ^ Koriun, The Life of Mashtots, Yerevan, 1981. Translated from Old Armenian (Grabar) by Bedros Norehad; http://armenianhouse.org/koryun/mashtots-en.html
^ Jump up to: a b Kriwaczek, Paul (2005). Yiddish Civilization: The Rise and Fall of a Forgotten Nation. London: Weidenfeld & Nicolson.
J. Simons: The Geographical and Topographical Texts of the Old Testament. Leiden 1959, § 28.
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[Adolf The Great]

Another bit of evidence is the examples that the National Socialists used as people of Aryan descent in the Ahnenpass which was one's proof of Aryan descent, it explicitly mentions two Slavic ethnic groups as examples of Aryans, the Poles and Czechs.

Arischer Abstammung ist demnach derjenige Mensch, der frei von einem, vom deutschen Volke aus gesehen, fremdrassigen Blutseinschlage ist. Als fremd gilt hier vor allem das Blut der auch im europäischen Siedlungsraume lebenden Juden und Zigeuner, das der asiatischen und afrikanischen Rassen und der Ureinwohner Australiens und Amerikas (Indianer), während z.B. ein Engländer oder Schwede, ein Franzose oder Tscheche, ein Pole oder Italiener, wenn er selbst frei von solchen, auch ihm fremden Blutseinschlägen ist, als verwandt, also als arisch gelten muß, mag er nun in seiner Heimat oder in Ostasien oder in Amerika wohnen oder mag er Bürger der U.S.A. oder eines südamerikanischen Freistaates sein.

Translated:

Aryan is thus the one man who looked free from, the German people, strange racial impact is blood. Deemed to be a stranger here, especially the blood of the living room and in the European settlement of Jews and Gypsies, the Asian and African breeds, and the aborigines of Australia and America (Indians), while, for example, a Swede or an Englishman, a Frenchman or Czech, a Pole or Italian, if he is free of such, even that is foreign blood strikes, when used, must therefore be considered severally liable, he may now live in his home, in East Asia or in America or he likes a U.S. citizen or a South American Free State be.

So as evidence shows that the Slavs were regarded as Aryans just the same as Germans.

[Viking]

Originally Posted by Adolf The Great

Another bit of evidence is the examples that the National Socialists used as people of Aryan descent in the Ahnenpass which was one's proof of Aryan descent, it explicitly mentions two Slavic ethnic groups as examples of Aryans, the Poles and Czechs.

Arischer Abstammung ist demnach derjenige Mensch, der frei von einem, vom deutschen Volke aus gesehen, fremdrassigen Blutseinschlage ist. Als fremd gilt hier vor allem das Blut der auch im europäischen Siedlungsraume lebenden Juden und Zigeuner, das der asiatischen und afrikanischen Rassen und der Ureinwohner Australiens und Amerikas (Indianer), während z.B. ein Engländer oder Schwede, ein Franzose oder Tscheche, ein Pole oder Italiener, wenn er selbst frei von solchen, auch ihm fremden Blutseinschlägen ist, als verwandt, also als arisch gelten muß, mag er nun in seiner Heimat oder in Ostasien oder in Amerika wohnen oder mag er Bürger der U.S.A. oder eines südamerikanischen Freistaates sein.

Translated:

Aryan is thus the one man who looked free from, the German people, strange racial impact is blood. Deemed to be a stranger here, especially the blood of the living room and in the European settlement of Jews and Gypsies, the Asian and African breeds, and the aborigines of Australia and America (Indians), while, for example, a Swede or an Englishman, a Frenchman or Czech, a Pole or Italian, if he is free of such, even that is foreign blood strikes, when used, must therefore be considered severally liable, he may now live in his home, in East Asia or in America or he likes a U.S. citizen or a South American Free State be.

So as evidence shows that the Slavs were regarded as Aryans just the same as Germans.

Slavs were considered sub-human to the Nazis, Why are you trying to twist and turn history?. Hitler wanted to exterminate the slavic race and occupy their lands with Germanic peoples (Aryans).