National Socialism And The White Nationalist Movement

[Alex Linder]

The market exists to serve the people, but that doesn't mean the people are served by the government owning the means of production - quite the reverse. The people are served when they are represented by an elite loyal to their collective racial interests. In the political sphere that means killing invaders and maintaining defenses; in the economic sphere that means keeping the country out of debt, keeping taxes low, and spreading an accurate national narrative through the schools.

[Mechanic]

[QUOTE]billwhite"National Vanguard and Stormfront, and their leaders, Kevin Strom, Don Black and David Duke, are national socialists who believe very strongly that national socialism cannot win, and that there must be a bourgeois-conservative revolution as a precondition for a National Socialist victory. Their position is similar to that, on the left of a century ago, of the reformist communists of the German parliament and the Mensheviks of the Russian. They believe that a "Far Right" conservative government along Constitutionalist - Patriotic lines, that embraces some racial realities but is not willing to take on the issue of the Jew is necessary before a national socialist revolution, and that the ultimate goal of national socialist revolution must be concealed from everyone -- including many of their own supporters -- until the preconditions have been met".[END QUOTE]


If you want to identify the real rulers of any society,simply ask yourself this question,Who is it I cannot criticize? K.A.S.
The above quote does not come across as a statement by someone unwilling to "take on the issue of the Jew".

[Amalekite]

Originally Posted by Alex Linder

And how many people go to Switzerland for healthcare? They come here, because in spite of our socialism, we still have most advanced health care. If the government would get out of the way completely, it would become even better. Instead we're very likely to get Hilary Clinton in 2008, with renewed call for a single-payer system.

Anyone who thinks this is a good idea should look at the mess that is the Canadian socialized health care system. Waiting periods of 6 months to 2 years for life-or-death procedures. Not enough doctors to go around (because most of them move to the States where they get paid considerably higher salaries). And everyone has to pay for it, regardless of the quality of the care they receive.

Canada's health care system is heading towards a major crisis. I don't think it'll last another twenty years in the state it's in now.

[Cthulhu]

Goggle "Santa Clara County v. Southern Pacific Railroad". Jefferson and Hitler would have given you a box on the ears.

You idea that corporations are just good spirited genies who only want the best for everyone, is a dismal display of fantasy.

[Lisa]

Originally Posted by Alex Linder

The market exists to serve the people, but that doesn't mean the people are served by the government owning the means of production - quite the reverse. The people are served when they are represented by an elite loyal to their collective racial interests. In the political sphere that means killing invaders and maintaining defenses; in the economic sphere that means keeping the country out of debt, keeping taxes low, and spreading an accurate national narrative through the schools.

Hi Alex......I understand that you are the big cheese around here. Lisa, pleased tah meetcha.

I look forward to visiting here......learning and adding my lowly feminine two cents on occassion. Hey....last night I tried to log on for nearly an hour and kept getting a "server is busy - try again later" message. That's happened several times since I registered. What's that all about?

[Cthulhu]

Originally Posted by Amalekite

Anyone who thinks this is a good idea should look at the mess that is the Canadian socialized health care system. Waiting periods of 6 months to 2 years for life-or-death procedures. Not enough doctors to go around (because most of them move to the States where they get paid considerably higher salaries). And everyone has to pay for it, regardless of the quality of the care they receive.

Canada's health care system is heading towards a major crisis. I don't think it'll last another twenty years in the state it's in right now.

Well when you throw a whole lot of muds into the mix, fail to support training for your own doctors and nurses things can get tough. Cuba seems to have plenty of doctors though, looking at how many they wanted to send after Katrina. Question of will.

[Alex Linder]

Originally Posted by Amalekite

Thanks for making your position clear. I didn't think you were a "National Socialist" like so many here, because it wouldn't make sense to run the forum the way you do if you were. But I had a hard time figuring out what your views were.

I find your vision far more palatable than the re-hashed authoritarian schemes I've often seen expressed on VNNF. I can accept that an authoritarian form of government might be a necessary transitional step on the way to something better, but an authoritarian government is not what I want my children and grandchildren growing up under. Anyone who tells me that this is necessary for "my own good" is as much my enemy as the worst Jewish tyrant. Sadly, I've come to realize that Zionists and neo-Nazis may be two sides of the same coin.

I also want to express my appreciation for making VNNF a "free speech forum." I don't think you get to hear that often enough. :cheers:

You're welcome. People get too worked up about the noise on here. It's better we keep this open to all investigators and even hostiles who think they can take us on. Those who think they can disrupt us by means of our own rules will find otherwise.

The jews form a powerful team. It will take a powerful team to defeat them. That means discipline, hierarchy, and organization - the antithesis of the liberal, open, private, independent society we prefer. After we build that team and take power from the jews and set the nation on solid biological basis, then we can think about devolving power. I don't see any other way to go. I don't see jews keeping elections honest where any genuine alternative to the two-faced Uniparty presents itself. How come we have 85 options for morning cereal, but 1 option when it comes to politics?

[Alex Linder]

Originally Posted by Cthulhu

Goggle "Santa Clara County v. Southern Pacific Railroad". Jefferson and Hitler would have given you a box on the ears.

You idea that corporations are just good spirited genies who only want the best for everyone, is a dismal display of fantasy.

Corporations can't force you to buy their products. That is the most significant difference between them and government. It is the difference that defenders of government always ignore because they haev no answer to it.

If government (Social Security, "first class" mail, integration) is so great, how come I can't opt out?

[Alex Linder]

Originally Posted by Amalekite

Are you sure of that? A relative in Switzerland recently had to have (essential) surgery done. I think they paid for it out of their own pocket (then again, it's possible they went to a private hospital to avoid the waiting list at the public one).

This is what ALWAYS happens in socialized medical systems. The government gets the best health care (check out House/Senate benefits), the rich can buy private care, or jump ahead in line, the poor get inferior care or no care. Ah, but it's "free." Sure, if you don't count the 50% taxes to provide it.

"If you think health care is expensive now, wait till it's free." -- P.J. O'Rourke

That is a one-sentence refutation of socilized medicine it is impossible to improve upon.

If you're dumb enough to think anything can be provided for free, then enjoy your waiting list, fool.

Translate socialized medicine into reality, it means politicians like Hilary Clinton deciding who gets treated for which diseases in what order; who becomes doctors (think lots more dumbed-down docs, more general practitioners and fewer specialists, more affirmative actionable and fewer human doctors, especially males, and lower pay for docs to ensure that only the pure of heart and empty of head go into the field).

Socialized medicine = "free wish sandwhiches -- on the House!"

[Alex Linder]

Originally Posted by Lisa

Hi Alex......I understand that you are the big cheese around here. Lisa, pleased tah meetcha.

I look forward to visiting here......learning and adding my lowly feminine two cents on occassion. Hey....last night I tried to log on for nearly an hour and kept getting a "server is busy - try again later" message. That's happened several times since I registered. What's that all about?

Welcome, Lisa. That busy message would be the result of the latest DOS attack courtesy of the tender blokes at the Amalgamated Federation of Homosexuals, Jews, and Multiple-Drug-Resistant Rectal Gonorrhea Sufferers.

[Cthulhu]

Nice try. You can opt out. You can leave. Or you can refrain from getting a social security number. And what are you complaining about the MSM for? They can't force you to buy their products. And if some corporations slip a donation here or there for darkies to come in to lower the cost of wages, where is the harm? No one is forcing you to buy their products. No one is forcing you to accept the government!

How do you think this all came about in any case? It was the Jews who dones it! Well what sort of need do you think they were fulfilling? No need at all? People just brought in to it for no reason at all. The government can't force you to do anything you don't want to do. You can chew through your wrists any time you like.

So when the next depression hits are they going to turn to the "suck it in", "put your 10 year olds to work", "eat grass", "prostitute yourself" Linder, or are they going to turn to those who actually plan to put food in their bellies and see they have work? And not by the government controlling the means of production (nice try at ringing a pavlovian bell when there ain't no food coming). That is communism not National Socialism. Try reading up on the economic policies of the Reich. You might be surprised.

[Alex Linder]

Originally Posted by Amalekite

Anyone who thinks this is a good idea should look at the mess that is the Canadian socialized health care system. Waiting periods of 6 months to 2 years for life-or-death procedures. Not enough doctors to go around (because most of them move to the States where they get paid considerably higher salaries). And everyone has to pay for it, regardless of the quality of the care they receive.

Canada's health care system is heading towards a major crisis. I don't think it'll last another twenty years in the state it's in now.

True, very true. Yet some Canadians will argue to the end of the earth that they have the best system in the world. No one goes to Canada for treatment, they all come here. If you're an ordinary slob, the freer the health care market, the better you're served. The only ones who receive good treatment under socialized medicine are the politically connected and the rich with the money to buy around problems. The poor "get nothing and like it." But it's free, wheeeeeeeee!

[Alex Linder]

Originally Posted by Cthulhu

Well when you throw a whole lot of muds into the mix, fail to support training for your own doctors and nurses things can get tough. Cuba seems to have plenty of doctors though, looking at how many they wanted to send after Katrina. Question of will.

Yeaaaaah. You betcha. Cuba's excellent health care system is founded on the solid basis of nobody having enough to eat! This is their wise socialist solution to the "not enough toilet paper" problem.

Yay, socialism!

[Joe_J.]

[QUOTE]

Originally Posted by Alex Linder

The jew media eggs people into thinking this way. It teaches niggers that the white man oppressed them, when in fact he elevated them; it teaches the poor that the rich oppressed them, when in fact the rich gave them jobs.

The jew has always been behind this kind of shit. Is it any coincidence that the influx from Eastern Europe and its jews came about the same time as commie agitation during the early 1900s? I think not. They are always in there. "Civil rights workers"? Jews when there were "White" people in the picture. And so the jew marches on. The ONLY solution to the jew we have is to rid the world of them.

The Soviets had to stick to reality to the extent it strengthened their military, otherwise it was straight jew indoctrination. I have a bunch of commie books I got in East Germany, there's nothing like an ABC book of Marxist-Leninismus.

One can still see the jew flavor of the commie revolution. And then compare it with the Pol Pot style of revolution.

The point about capitalism is that it evolves, it is never the same thing twice. It is incredibly fast-moving, and that's what people fear about it. Wal-mart doesn't have a union and its people vote against it.

I hate WalMart and have not darkened their doors in over a year.

I am not a capitalism fan. Give me NS anyday!

They're on both sides of everything. Captialists, management, workers, commies, whatever's "good for jews" "in the moment."

Fuck that. It is time for "what is good for Whites"

These days I think protectionism makes sense, at least to an extent. If we had a culture that gently tapped people away from extreme materialism, then they'd be satisfied with non-material pursuits, and since we can get all the stuff we need easily anyway, we could afford the higher costs protectionism entails. We could keep our nation a true nation, which is incalculably more important than any additional economic costs.

I believe in protectionism myself. Protect the State, the workers, the State's economy.

Fed no longer releasing M3 info. How do you like that jewish bullshit. Oh, wait, Fed is jewish. Sorry.

Good info on economy here:
http://www.netcastdaily.com/fsnewshour.htm

[Alex Linder]

Originally Posted by Cthulhu

Nice try. You can opt out. You can leave. Or you can refrain from getting a social security number.

Sure, I could, but those profound life dislocations, as opposed to simple market choices. There's no comparison.

And what are you complaining about the MSM for? They can't force you to buy their products.

I don't buy their products. The most powerful medium is television, and that shades into government as the FCC factually incorrectly declares radio and tv space a limited good, thereby allowing it to license and regulate it.

And if some corporations slip a donation here or there for darkies to come in to lower the cost of wages, where is the harm? No one is forcing you to buy their products. No one is forcing you to accept the government!

How do you think this all came about in any case? It was the Jews who dones it! Well what sort of need do you think they were fulfilling? No need at all? People just brought in to it for no reason at all. The government can't force you to do anything you don't want to do. You can chew through your wrists any time you like.

Macdonald studied this and found that jews were the sole pressure fighting for open borders. Giant corporations did not want them. Now, forty years down the road, there are so many tens of millions here that they've undercut wages and forced certain sectors of the economy to employ them or go under.

So when the next depression hits are they going to turn to the "suck it in", "put your 10 year olds to work", "eat grass", "prostitute yourself" Linder, or are they going to turn to those who actually plan to put food in their bellies and see they have work? And not by the government controlling the means of production (nice try at ringing a pavlovian bell when there ain't no food coming). That is communism not National Socialism. Try reading up on the economic policies of the Reich. You might be surprised.

The early industrial revolution and the hyperinflation/depression in Germany are entirely different things driven by different causes. If a new depression strikes, people will turn to those who can offer a plausible explanation of who screwed things up and what to do about it. Offering bread and soup is fine, but it's no substitute for a market economy, where appropriate.

[ohgolly]

Originally Posted by Alex Linder

... it is clear that NS Germany involved a degree of bureaucratic intrusiveness unacceptable to Aryans.

As a mere matter of opinion on what is now an irrelevant point, I disagree. Hitler's Germany only existed for twelve years. Still in its infancy and faced with all of the problems and opposition that entailed, its 'intrusiveness' was as necessary during its creation and establishment as is a mother's supervision of her baby in a jungle. Even so, it moved ahead at a faster pace than did the burr-ocracy in America, for example.

Originally Posted by Alex Linder

It will take a powerful team to defeat them. That means discipline, hierarchy, and organization - the antithesis of the liberal, open, private, independent society we prefer.

Originally Posted by Alex Linder

...racial dictatorship now, power devolution later.

Of course I agree with your general view and prescriptions, including the silliness of well meaning incompetents trying to imitate NS Germany down to the tie clasps.

[Cthulhu]

Originally Posted by Alex Linder

"If you think health care is expensive now, wait till it's free." -- P.J. O'Rourke

That is a one-sentence refutation of socilized medicine it is impossible to improve upon.

If you're dumb enough to think anything can be provided for free, then enjoy your waiting list, fool.

Translate socialized medicine into reality, it means politicians like Hilary Clinton deciding who gets treated for which diseases in what order; who becomes doctors (think lots more dumbed-down docs, more general practitioners and fewer specialists, more affirmative actionable and fewer human doctors, especially males, and lower pay for docs to ensure that only the pure of heart and empty of head go into the field).

More crap. Firstly, that is not a refutation, except perhaps on FreeRepublic, which I am indubitably giving you much enjoyment, reminiscing over at the moment.

Second you are translating socialized medicine into a system controlled by the likes of the Clintons, and their donors, and not National Socialists. And as for your jibe at Cuba, I would agree excepting America's long time antipathy towards it might explain some short comings, though the human material would be enough.

Yes, its about the genetics unless it is about the political system. Like being a Jew is first a faith and then a race, depending on what devil is driving. I can see through the Jew Linder and you are no where near as good at that game as them.

[Alex Linder]

Originally Posted by ohgolly

As a mere matter of opinion on what is now an irrelevant point, I disagree. Hitler's Germany only existed for twelve years. Still in its infancy and faced with all of the problems and opposition that entailed, its 'intrusiveness' was as necessary during its creation and establishment as is a mother's supervision of her baby in a jungle. Even so, it moved ahead at a faster pace than did the burr-ocracy in America, for example.

It was both too intrusive and not intrusive enough: it moved too slowly on the jew front. It proceeded deliberately, legally, and cautiously over a decade to do poorly and in portion what should have been done completely and immediately once power was in its hands. On the other hand, its anti-smoking campaign - that is a perfect example of obnoxious intrusiveness. Hitler was a tad prissy in certain respects: no drinking, no smoking, no meat. Leftists are like that, not rightists. All this gradiose horseshit that govt shouldn't worry about, just take care of the drainage. Get rid of the jews and niggers, and keep your heroic superhuman stadiums to yourself. I prefer an understated government that does a few things extremely well and stays out of the rest.

[Cthulhu]

Originally Posted by Alex Linder

Sure, I could, but those profound life dislocations, as opposed to simple market choices. There's no comparison.

Me: Of course you could and that was the question. What the effect would be on you lifestyle is besides the point.

I don't buy their products. The most powerful medium is television, and that shades into government as the FCC factually incorrectly declares radio and tv space a limited good, thereby allowing it to license and regulate it.

Me: And the FDA makes sure the food you eat is fit for human consumption. Is this again a burden you are unwilling to bare, after all who would want to feed you human excrement with your bagel?

Macdonald studied this and found that jews were the sole pressure fighting for open borders. Giant corporations did not want them. Now, forty years down the road, there are so many tens of millions here that they've undercut wages and forced certain sectors of the economy to employ them or go under.

Me: Maybe 40 years ago, but who was looking to import programmers from India? And why were the illegals crossing the border 40 years ago if no one was employing them? And who was employing the legals that came if they were not wanted? And now they are forced to employ them and off shore and all the rest... yeah what ever.

The early industrial revolution and the hyperinflation/depression in Germany are entirely different things driven by different causes. If a new depression strikes, people will turn to those who can offer a plausible explanation of who screwed things up and what to do about it. Offering bread and soup is fine, but it's no substitute for a market economy, where appropriate.

Me: Never compared the two. Why are you? But if a new depression strikes they will listen to the man offering them a square meal and work, and he gets to point his finger. And work is more than just bread and soup. Your attempt to minimise is noted. And as for market economy, it was designed to function differently by the founding fathers was it not? Corporations having only a certain shelf-life, and being able to have their charter pulled by the people. Now why did Jefferson want to help set up something like that?

[Alex Linder]

Originally Posted by Cthulhu

More crap. Firstly, that is not a refutation, except perhaps on FreeRepublic, which I am indubitably giving you much enjoyment, reminiscing over at the moment.

Second you are translating socialized medicine into a system controlled by the likes of the Clintons, and their donors, and not National Socialists. And as for your jibe at Cuba, I would agree excepting America's long time antipathy towards it might explain some short comings, though the human material would be enough.

Yes, its about the genetics unless it is about the political system. Like being a Jew is first a faith and then a race, depending on what devil is driving. I can see through the Jew Linder and you are no where near as good at that game as them.

Germans can make a bad system work better than other peoples, true, but why have a bad system when you can have a good one? Socialism is driven by smart people taking advantage of mass resentment than some people can afford better things than others. Rather than encouraging the poor to work harder, save more, improve their behavior and worry about their own business, the evil smarties very jewily persuade them that the rich man is stealing from them. Not the case! Health care costs are so high because of all the paperwork private providers are forced to fill out to satisfy government regulators. If the government would get out of the picture, the costs would drop to affordable levels. People would buy catastrophe insurance for the big stuff, and pay out of pocket for the small. If not, they'd rely on private charity. If there were none, they'd lie in bed and cross fingers for the hope-cure, which studies show is every bit as effective as the waiting-list cure, AND THE REST OF US DONT HAVE TO PAY FOR IT.