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Old March 28th, 2012 #1
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In Defense of Hitler and his National-Socialism


From "Letters to Editor," National Vanguard No. 103, Jan.-Feb. 1985

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Will Williams Jul 4, 2011 09:34 AM
That is a thoughtful explanation by Dr. Pierce of national-socialism from 1985. He fleshed out this thinking on the subject for his National Alliance members in the 143-page 1993 Membership Handbook, under RECRUITING TIPS:

4.g.v.10. Nazis and neo-Nazis:

Inevitably, every member who engages in public activity, so that he is recognized publicly as a member, will be asked, “Are you a Nazi?” or, “Are you a neo-Nazi?” just as the National Alliance is routinely described in the controlled news media as a “Nazi (or neo-Nazi) organization.” (For those who make the distinction, the difference between “Nazi” and “neo-Nazi” seems to be this: The former term refers only to the National Socialist German Workers’ Party and its members. The latter term refers to organizations and people who draw their inspiration from the former, from the same sources as the former, but which are too young to have been directly associated with the former. Many people, of course, make no distinction between the two terms.)
So how does a member answer the question? If he wants to give a meaningful answer, he must know what is in the mind of his interrogator: What is his interrogator’s understanding of “Nazi”? If it’s a Politically Correct bigot (which will be the case for anyone working for the controlled media), or even a typical “couch potato” whose ideas all came from a television tube, we know that he is thinking of sinister-looking men in black uniforms and swastika armbands who like to click their heels together, thrust out their right arms, and shout, “Seig! Heil!” before marching off to gleefully machine-gun a group of prisoners who were arrested for listening to the wrong radio program or failing to have a photograph of the Führer displayed in their living rooms. This mythical “Nazi” is an invention of the Jews who control the mass media, and so the member is perfectly correct in answering, “No, I am not a Nazi and the National Alliance is not a Nazi organization.”

Suppose, however, that the person asking the question is a potential recruit, someone with an open mind who really wants to understand our beliefs and goals. In this case we are obliged to explore the question more deeply, and in so doing we may have an opportunity to use one of the catchiest ideas of all: the idea of National Socialism.

Using this idea requires great care and good judgment. It is an idea which evokes such strong feeling that even some members cannot face it squarely. On the one hand there are those who are embarrassed by it and would be happier if the National Alliance would explicitly disavow it. On the other hand there are those who accept it wholeheartedly but are unable to distinguish between the idea itself and its specific manifestations in Germany between about 1920 and 1945. They are caught up not only in the idea but also in the mystique of Adolf Hitler and the National Socialist era in Germany, and there are very real dangers in this. For one thing, many of the latter people make a cult of National Socialism, with an emphasis on symbols, uniforms, insignia, rituals, and the like. The danger in this is that National Socialism becomes a hobby, and hobbyism becomes a substitute for effective action. And if we associate ourselves with the cult of National Socialism, as contrasted with the idea, we are forced to contend with the mythical image created by the Jews, for that will be the image raised in the mind of the average person who comes into contact with us.

It is largely for this reason that we have the admonitions elsewhere in this handbook against uniforms, quasi-uniforms, and insignia. Breaking through the wall of misunderstanding between us and the White public is a large enough task without raising the specter of made-in-Hollywood “Nazis.” Even if there were no such negative image to overcome—even if the Jews never had made an anti-Nazi film or television show—it would be wrong for The Alliance to associate itself with the cult aspects of National Socialism in Germany prior to 1945. Things that were natural and helped form a positive public image in Germany at that time seem unnatural and alien in many parts of America and other parts of the White world today. For example, party uniforms were the accepted norm in Germany, not just for the National Socialists but also for the Communists, the Catholic Centrists, and other political groupings. They never have been the norm in America.

It also is wrong, however, for us to shut our minds to the eternal truths embodied in the National Socialist idea: they are the truths on which our own creed is based. It is wrong for us to shut our eyes to the truth about the Second World War, its background, its conduct, the real issues involved, and the real consequences of its loss by our race. And it is wrong for us not to acknowledge the debt our race owes to Adolf Hitler and his followers throughout Europe, despite their apparent defeat in 1945.

The recruiter who is working with the right sort of potential member—and who himself has an adequate mastery of the subject—can use the National Socialist idea and the mystique associated with its manifestation in Germany as a powerful tool for opening the mind of his prospect to the Alliance message. Again, however, the greatest discretion is required.
 
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Pierce's writing was ,and is potent and rarely inefficacious.

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Old March 29th, 2012 #3
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Cale Sparks transcribed this 1982 editorial for the Legacy of Dr. William Luther Pierce blogspot. Thank you Cale.

National Vanguard Magazine is Born

Editorial from National Vanguard Magazine, Issue No. 86, May 1982:

A More Effective Tool



Nevertheless, the number of people responding to our message grew, albeit with maddening slowness at times. And we evolved. We dispensed with the red headlines. We changed our name from ATTACK! to NATIONAL VANGUARD. We began concerning ourselves less with the symptoms of what was happening to our world and our people, and more with the fundamental causes. And we found that more and more of the right sort of people were responding: people who still had healthy instincts and who were able to understand everything we were saying.
 
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I don't think we should care about what we're called. As far as I know national socialism doesn't necessarily have to be racist, just in Germany at the time "national" was white people. Maybe I'm making myself look stupid but I'm pretty sure National Socialism today in the U.S. wouldn't be about white people.
 
Old March 29th, 2012 #5
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Old March 29th, 2012 #6
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List of articles by William L. Pierce

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Old March 29th, 2012 #7
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I believe Erich Gliebe best honors Dr. P by sallying forth with the organization he dedicated his life to and as his personally appointed successor running the NA into the 21st century as the foremost and most sought after WN organization.
 
Old March 29th, 2012 #8
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I believe Erich Gliebe best honors Dr. P by sallying forth with the organization he dedicated his life to and as his personally appointed successor running the NA into the 21st century as the foremost and most sought after WN organization.
Why is it whenever I try to start a thread on Dr. Pierce, I have to deal with retards? O.K. Jeff, lets get this over with.

Fred Streed, whom Dr. Pierce selected as the president of the National Alliance had this to say, regarding the Gleebster's high jacking of the National Alliance:

http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.p...t=Erich+Gliebe
For the record, Dr. Pierce DID NOT choose the Gleebster as his successor. That decision was made by the board of directors. The blame for that colossal screw up lies mostly on my shoulders. Dr. Pierce absolutely refused to name a successor but he did make sure he had a board of directors in place before he died. Of course Gleebski campaigned hard for the position. It is interesting that his main lobbiest was the FBI informant and SPLC infiltrator Lawrence Meyers. Just as Meyers was there to promote Erich to Dr. Pierce as the man to run Resistance Records, and Meyers was always there to make sure Erich didn't make a total fool of himself in public, Meyers was like his shadow. Ol' Larry Meyers was always close at hand to whisper in Erich's ear or to wipe the drool from the corner of his mouth.

Gleeber and his band of ass kissing sycophants and self serving opportunists have an interest in pushing the LIE that he was Dr. Pierce's chosen successor. He was not!
 
Old March 30th, 2012 #9
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Sounds like sour grapes from someone who didn't get their way. Erich ran the most successful NA local unit at the time so it would only be a logical choice to pick him or Billy Roper as his successor. Malcontents can wail and whine all they want, but Erich is leading the NA into the 21st century.
 
Old March 30th, 2012 #10
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ERICH GLIEBE MUST RESIGN

by Fred Streed

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My time with the National Alliance goes back about 16 or 17 years, 11 of that on staff.

About '85 or '86 I read a book called The Turner Diaries that I ordered from an add in a gun magazine. Included with The Turner Diaries was a catalog for other books and a report entitled "Who Rules America?" It literally changed my life. For the first time I started thinking seriously about some of the problems I could see around me and I decided eventually to do whatever I could to help solve some of the problems. I began corresponding with Dr. Pierce and in the Summer of '92 I traveled to Hillsboro, W.V., and took a job with the National Alliance.

The NA had only recently moved to WV from Arlington, Va., and there wasn't much there. There was a big metal structure that Dr. Pierce was trying to build into offices, a rundown old farm house with no insulation and a leaky roof, and a couple of cheap trailer houses. I was hired to help build the place. The first two or three years I spent digging ditches and pouring concrete. Those early years were some of the most rewarding for me personally. The entire staff worked hard to build not only the infrastructure but the organization. Twelve and fourteen hour days were common but we were idealistic and we approached our jobs with an essentially religious attitude. The NA was built with a lot of hard work and perseverance, it wasn't just handed to us on a silver platter. There was never enough money or people to accomplish all the things we wanted to do so we had to choose carefully where to invest our limited resources. With Dr. Pierce at the helm we built the NA, National Vanguard Books, and Resistance Records into what it was when Dr. Pierce died.

After Dr. Pierce's death last year the board of directors was faced with the task of selecting a new chairman to head the NA. We didn't have a lot of time in which to act, at the time there seemed to be a real danger that the NA would splinter into competing factions each claiming to be the real NA and from there degenerate into a legal battle for control of the NA assets. So Erich Gliebe was appointed chairman by the board of directors. He was well known by the membership, almost everyone was familiar with his name and it was thought he would provide a rallying point for the membership. He was also CEO of Resistance Records and was familiar with the business side of our outreach programs. Our book sales and resistance music were primarily a means of educating people and attracting them to our cause, profits were used to grow the organization and were funneled back into the business.

Chairman Gliebe has now had a year as head of the National Alliance, National Vanguard Books, and Resistance Records. The organization is indeed still intact. But not without problems.

Two months ago Dr. Bob Demairas quit the staff over what he felt were irresolvable problems with Chairman Gliebe's leadership. The fact that he had quit was kept as quiet as possible, evidently on the assumption that if we didn't talk about these problems they would somehow go away. Prior to Bob quitting, construction on the new meeting hall had slowed to a crawl due to a lack of funds. Bob had warned over and over that we had cash flow problems. I ended up assuming some of Bob's duties, paying the bills and doing some of the bookkeeping. It rapidly became obvious that we had a problem. I would discuss my concerns with Erich but nothing ever changed. We have continued to spend more money than we are bringing in. I also took on the job of opening the incoming mail and it didn't take long to see that a lot of our subscribers to National Vanguard Magazine and Resistance Magazine were getting real unhappy with the magazines being chronically late. Complaints came in almost daily. Resignations from the NA were also arriving at the rate of several a week. Membership has been declining since December of 2002. Most don't send in a letter of resignation, they just quit paying their dues and it takes 6 months before they are dropped from the membership roles. That's right, people who are essentially dropping out right now will not show up as a loss for 6 months.

Another major problem that has become critical is the ongoing internet flame wars with any person or organization that dares to criticize the NA leadership or to expose some of the problems we are having. Our critics are denounced as either Jews or secret government agents involved in a plot to destroy the NA leadership or to wrest control of the NA away from the "rightful" leaders. One thing that needs to be made clear at this point is that Dr. Pierce did not, and would not, recommend a successor. I pressed him on the issue, his response was that we were going to have to make that decision for ourselves. I asked him if there were anyone at all he would like to see in charge of the NA after he was gone. His answer was yes, but none of those people were available, they were all dead. Dr. Pierce did not endorse ANYONE as his successor. He did make sure a board of directors was in place and he left the responsibility to us to make the transition after he was gone. My point is that the leadership of the NA aren't divinely selected, they are not above question. Bill White's web site, overthrow .com, has been used by people who have a vested interest in attacking the NA, but it has also been used to air some legitimate criticism. Almost ANYONE can utilize Bill White to get his message out, and that includes the NA. The NA leadership could have been using Overthrow.com to communicate our message the same way Billy Roper or any of several others do. We could have used it for a weekly, or even daily, press release that reaches far more people per day than anything we have "in house". And it wouldn't have cost us one damned red cent. The same goes for VNN. But instead of seeing these sites for the information clearing houses they are and using them as another tool to spread our message the NA has instead let the situation degenerate into a series of personal attacks and have done everything we could to make enemies out of the people involved. We have tried dismissing these web sites as unimportant, even making the asinine assertion that "nobody reads those sites anyway". VNN and Alex Linder have repeatedly bent over backwards to promote the NA and have gotten ingratitude and insults in return. We have allowed some of our more irrational members to engage in almost nightly attacks on Bill White and Alex Linder on various internet forums and to do so as open NA members. Dr. Pierce would never have allowed that to happen, he would have dropped any member who persisted in engaging in such activity. The response of the NA leadership toward people who are basically on our side and should be our allies has been shortsighted in the extreme and is not in the best interests of anyone. In fact if ZOG were to completely take over the NA they would have to work hard to come up with anything more damaging for the NA than our present leaderships failure in this regard. When I would bring this topic up with Erich he would agree that yes, it was damaging to our image, but he would never do anything to stop it. And that is exactly what his response to all but the most trivial leadership decisions is; he fails to act.

Erich seems to be almost constitutionally incapable of making hard decisions. He will delay making important decisions using the excuse that he needs more information, he puts it off until either the time and need for a decision passes or it reaches a crises and someone else makes the decision. One staffer described it as information overload, Erich gets conflicting advice from too many different people and then doesn't know whose advice to take so he does nothing. It is as if he is so afraid of making the wrong decision that he refuses to make a decision at all.

He has other personality traits that make him ineffective as a leader. I don't want to make this an attack on him personally but it impacts the entire NA. He will go to great lengths to deny reality when it is unpleasant to face up to something. He will steadfastly refuse to admit something is a problem at all if it is something that requires him to take action or make a decision. His reaction to repeated warnings that the NA is overextending financially is to just ignore it and keep spending money as if no problem exists. His reaction to the fact that the NA has lost membership for several months now is to either deny it or to justify it somehow and dismiss it as unimportant. I could go on and on.

One school of thought holds that Dr. Pierce's legacy is not the NA, but is instead the body of work he left behind such as his books and radio speeches that continue to inspire and motivate people all over the world. Perhaps the National Alliance should be seen as merely a tool he used to do his work, and perhaps it will die with it's founder. My personal feeling is that a lot of people invested a lot of work and energy into building the NA, it has cost some very dearly, think of Chester Doles. Think of Mrs. Wheeler. The NA is still a very viable organization and we still have most of our assets. I was talking with Dave Pringle today and he thinks our membership is higher quality and our units better organized than ever. I believe this to be true. But there are some very serious problems with our center. If these problems are not dealt with in the very near future the NA will slide into irrelevance or worse. Bill White estimates two years. I give it one until serious problems set in. The reserve funds will run out, we will have to resort to emergency fund appeals to keep us afloat but by that time membership numbers will be rapidly declining. We will reach a point where we won't be able to pay our debts and the real estate will either have to be sold or will be locked up for nonpayment of taxes. Yes it can happen.

I no longer have a voice in the leadership of the NA and I, along with my wife, will probably be leaving the staff at some point in the near future. I know what I have said here will cause many to attack me as a traitor or government agent trying to destroy the Alliance, hell, some will probably believe I was a ZOG infiltrator all along who spent 11 years digging ditches, fixing plumbing problems, plowing snow on cold winter mornings, etc. because I was just biding my time until I could make my move. I am not going to make a crusade of this, I will have my say and then it will be up to the membership to do with it as they will. I have a lot to lose taking this stand, at 51 years of age I am not looking forward to job hunting. After 11 years the NA and WV have became my home, I met my wife here, we bought property here, we love this place and don't want to leave. But we will have to now. I resigned from the board of directors because of the problems I talk about above. I resigned because it has become obvious to me that with Erich Gliebe as Chairman of the NA nothing will ever really get resolved, he will continue to insist that everything is just fine, and he will continue to blame all problems on enemies instead of honestly assessing problems and taking action to correct them. He will continue to exclude capable competent people from positions of authority because he feels threatened by them. He will continue to squander the resources of the NA that were built up through hard work and sacrifice by the membership over a period of years. He will continue to fumble what should be simple straightforward decisions. He is incompetent and he is in way over his head. The NA needs a leader. Erich Gliebe is not that leader.

Erich Gliebe must resign as chairman of the NA.

Fred Streed
 
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FRIDAY, MARCH 30, 2012

Where Are Our Heroes?

From ATTACK! tabloid, Issue No. 55, 1977:

The Men of the Alamo

by Dr. William L. Pierce


Davy Crockett's Last Stand at the Alamo - This detail of that painting
was the cover for National Vanguard magazine #103, Jan-Feb, 1985

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Old March 31st, 2012 #12
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Dr. Pierce on where to draw the line in tolerating and forgiving liars
An Ethical Question


An editorial from the National Alliance Founder and Chairman to his membership in that organization's internal monthly Members BULLLETIN, July, 1995:

"Among our ancestors, long before Christianity, thieves and liars were not tolerated, because lying and stealing destroyed the bond of trust between neighbors..."
 
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November 14, 2005

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At least he placed Don Black's name between Chain and Kelso's. Having April Gaede next to Will Williams, now that is a combination that I can't imagine ever working out.
Will Williams:

Pixi, I sure cringed when I first saw this list with my name sandwiched in there between Jamie Kelso, Jared Taylor, Ward Kendall and April Gaede on one side and Michael Blevins, Hal Turner and Gordon Baum on the other. I can't imagine another more disparate list of personalities I'd rather NOT have to try to pull together into the vanguard which should undertake to save the White race.

You've got genuine creative talent and graphic skills, "14," but, frankly, nothing personal intended, you don't know beans about what it will take to build a successful ethnocentric movement. You do not start with a collection of personalities who are all over the board ideologically, then try to harness them into a team. It's really much more simple than that. Start, in our case, unapologetically, with the right IDEA -- the positive, revolutionary IDEA of uncompromising, biologically-grounded racial idealism that properly identifies the root cause of many of the race's problems -- the Jew -- without hesitation, and which vows to address that problem head on and radically, free of alien influence. Attract others who agree with that hard line and build from there. Mr Hitler knew this, as did Dr. Pierce, and I believe that Alex Linder understands this organizing principle, too, though his uncensored free speech policy at VNN plays to the larger racist mob and beyond, as well, and obfuscates the core IDEA. I think I understand why he does this, but uncensored free speech among a pack of cyberNazis using aliases just isn't my bag.

Regardless, Alex has managed to attract a few people of sterling character, and "pure in spirit," as Dr. Pierce would say, who understand this organizing principle and the IDEA, It is those people, this tiny, uncompromising minority who are in fundamental agreement, who rebuke the unsound idea of a watered down umbrella organization which puts a premium on quantity over quality, around whom we can build a movement of "will and determination," as both Pierce and Hitler put it so succinctly, for the long term.

Alex Linder has made it clear time and time again that his forte is writing, and he's good at it. Let him do what he does best. Like Dr. Pierce was doing, Alex is purposefully building the multimedia network around which a vanguard of properly oriented human material will be attracted and then pulled together. Let it happen and the leadership will rise and be sorted out by merit in due time.

"Organization is the key to Jewish power. An intelligent minority, working together, can dominate a large minority" -Alex Linder (7/25/05). Consider the like-minded core of VNNers as the "intelligent minority, working together," and the greater White resistance movement as the "large minority." That larger minority must accommodate itself to the will of the smaller, better organized, more determined and uncompromising minority that has the necessary radical IDEA at its core -- NOT the other way around. I can't imagine ever accommodating myself to that group of so-called leaders that "14" has me sandwiched among; I'd rather go fishing. I prefer the quiet, serious types with clear vision who have their egos in check, sublimated to the same uncomplicated, unadulterated, Nature-based IDEA I serve: the primacy of RACE, RACE, RACE!
 
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Your name, White Will, has been brought up as the best potential leader for that intelligent minority. How about it? Maybe you and Alex together, with Alex being in charge of media.
Will Williams:

I've never sought to be the big cheese, Devere. I HAVE always sought out those who I thought were doing the best work for our people, the serious, competent truth-tellers that had their eyes fixed on long-term objectives for the race, and would then join my strengths, whatever they may be, with theirs, hoping to learn from them along the way.

I worked closely with Dr. Pierce for ten years, but told him early on that if someone came along who I thought had a better chance to bring about final victory than he had, I'd be leaving to help that person. I have yet to meet anyone else with the sincere, sober vision and work ethic that Dr. Pierce held, but I'm still looking. Alex comes damned close, so I'll continue working with him. Sometimes I've found myself in leadership roles, but it was usually by default -- no one else would step up and take charge to get things properly done.


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" What makes great leaders? Drive. Only the truly magnetic, insanely driven individuals stand out and draw people to them. This goes for rock stars and actors as much as for political leaders.

Maybe that's why (with certain reservations) I like Bill White - because he's the closest to ambitious and insanely driven that I've seen."
I suggest you join with Mr. White and his NSM since you are drawn to such insane, ambitious characters. I'm not sure who he attracts with his so-called "rock star magnetism," but I'm pleased when someone like White can attract these types AWAY from me. Good luck!
 
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William Pierce, founder and leader of the National Alliance, held Willis Carto in contempt. In an essay published in the July 1995 issue of the Alliance's internal Bulletin, Pierce explains why:


An Ethical Question


Several recent issues of Spotlight, a weekly tabloid for patriotic-conservative readers which is published in Washington, DC, have carried direct and indirect attacks on me, alleging that I am an enemy agent of some sort. Specifically, the Spotlight hinted a couple of months ago that I am an "FBI asset," and in the July 17 issue it expressed the belief that I am a "government ringer — probably an FBI informant."

These attacks are a renewal of a 24-year-old campaign of defamation against me by Spotlight's owner, Willis Carto. The campaign began in 1971, shortly after I founded the National Youth Alliance. At that time I was being helped by a former employee of Carto's, Louis Byers, and Carto thought it prudent to destroy the fledgling organization rather than let is grow into a competitor. He was concerned that Byers would teach me the fund-raising techniques learned while in Carto's employ and would help me enlist some of Carto's financial supporters as supporters for the National Youth Alliance.

The recent outburst of libels in Spotlight is in response to the informal relationship which exists between the Alliance and the Institute for Historical Review/ Noontide Press, with which Carto was affiliated until his ouster a couple of years ago: National Vanguard sells a number of books published by the IHR and Noontide Press, and Noontide Press advertises one book (my Gun Control in Germany, 1938-1945) published by us. Carto has been engaged in an extremely bitter fight with IHR/Noontide Press ever since he was given the boot, and his tactic is to attack anyone he regards as an ally of his enemy.

Now, there are honest disagreements aplenty among persons who are opposed to the present government in Washington and its policies, and all too often these disagreements lead to public fights. The Alliance's ideology and/or policies are different from those of many individuals and organizations with whom we maintain friendly liaison or even collaborate actively. In such cases we try to keep our differences out of the way and focus on the things which can be mutually beneficial, and we have been able to avoid public fights.

The attacks on me by Carto are not the result of any honest disagreement. They are conscious, deliberate, and unprovoked lies. Carto uses lies as a tactic in fighting those he perceives as enemies, as well as in attracting donations from those who support him.

It has been said, "All's fair in love and war," and indeed most of us feel no obligation to be truthful in dealing with those who are trying to destroy our race. If a lie will gain us an advantage in this war, then we feel obliged to lie. Deceiving an enemy in time of war never has been regarded as reprehensible. At the same time, however, most of us believe that lying in other circumstances — merely to gain a personal advantage, for example — is dishonorable.

Where does one draw the line between justifiable and unjustifiable lying? Carto could say that his lies about me are justified, because he is fighting for the survival of his various enterprises, including Spotlight, and Spotlight is an important asset in the war against America's enemies. He could even justify the lies in Spotlight intended to bring in large donations from its readers in the same way: fooling suckers in order to get donations from them is justified, as long as the donations are used for a good purpose, such as publishing more issues of Spotlight.

This sort of justification is troubling. More troubling are the people who don't even worry about justifications. Carto may be a crook, they say, but he is doing good, and so we should not speak ill of him. And, to give the devil his due, Carto has done some good things. He was the principal mover in launching the IHR 17 years ago, for example, even though he now stands accused by the IHR's directors of embezzling more than $7,000,000 in IHR funds and may end up in prison on that charge. When he was kicked out of the IHR, he used his money to launch a competing revisionist publication, The Barnes Review, which is an admirable little magazine.

Spotlight, (Now American Free Press) Carto's principal asset, is not one of the good things he has done. Its appeal is primarily to elderly cranks — and to a certain number of younger cranks as well. It caters to the credulous and the naive, to readers who like to be titillated with what is billed as "inside" information about the "Conspiracy." It has carried numerous articles about miraculous cancer cures suppressed by the greedy medical establishment, about miraculous energy sources suppressed by the greedy oil companies, and about miraculous schemes for keeping one's savings away from the greedy Internal Revenue Service. It always has had a low regard for the truth and a sure instinct for the issues that would make elderly, conspiracy-minded conservatives reach for their checkbooks.

Despite its National Enquirer flavor — or perhaps because of that — Spotlight has become the most widely read periodical in the conservative, anti-government camp. That fact does not speak well for the powers of discrimination of the anti-government forces. Fortunately, not many Alliance members are Spotlight readers. Nevertheless, some are, and so the case of Willis Carto serves as a relevant illustration of the ethical question with which we should be concerned: Should lying of the sort in which Carto engages be tolerated or forgiven, because he is approximately on "our side"? More generally, should behavior of the sort which would not be tolerated by honorable men in a civilized society be tolerated under our present circumstances?

I believe that it should not. I put a short section in our Membership Handbook about the amoral person. I believe that most members agree with me on this question in a general way. Nevertheless, I have seen too many examples of amoral behavior on the part of people who claim to be on "our side" — and not just Carto. There seems to be a feeling that because our society is falling apart all the bonds of right behavior have been loosened, and that we aren't obliged to judge people by the same strict standards which prevailed a century ago. We see so much crookedness on the part of politicians, bureaucrats, and the media today that our moral sense becomes numbed.

Right behavior did not develop among our people simply for its own sake or for religious reasons. It developed because it was conducive to our survival and progress as a people. Among our ancestors, long before Christianity, thieves and liars were not tolerated, because lying and stealing destroyed the bond of trust between neighbors which was necessary for a strong community. Communities which tolerated such behavior perished, and those which did not survived and prospered, on the average. That's how we developed our sense of right behavior in the first place.

If we are to continue building an Alliance strong enough to overcome its enemies, we must not tolerate anyone among us who lies or steals, either in time of peace or in time of war.


If Dr. Pierce knew that the thief, slug, slimball, Willis Carto was on NA property - he is no doubt spinning in his grave.
Will Williams:

Thanks for posting Dr. Pierce's editorial, White Dragon. Though it was written ten years ago every word still rings 100% true. The "new" National Alliance has fallen so far since Dr. Pierce's death that now the thoroughly corrupted leadership finds itself entirely disregarding the NA's Founder's admonitions against lying, stealing and amoral behavior to cozy up to Willis Carto, the quintiessential patriot for profit.

Pierce knew that ethics count and worked hard to see that his members knew what constituted good moral character, making it a requirement for membership. Now that Pierce's NA is gone, now that the corrupt "new" NA has gone so far as to do away with Xianity as an ideology opposed to Pierce's Cosmotheist worldview -- the bold, honest, Nature-based stance that set NA above and apart from the WN herd -- the watered down, dishonored NA and amoral Carto's Xian conservative, multi-tenacled "patriotic" empire are finally a good fit.

The "new" NA's or Carto's promotion of Prussian Blue or the NSM to further "fool the suckers" won't change the fundamental problem of the lack of good moral character in the "new" NA leadership or with Willis Carto. I remember that Carto used to used the word "mattoid" to describe the amoral enemies of
the White resistance. He was projecting his own lack of good moral character. I'll not soon forgive and forget the way he attacked Dr. Piece with the most vicious lies any more than I'll forgive similar past mattoid behavior by Harold Covington, Bill White or others of their ilk.
 
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Will Williams:

Polarization in the White resistance movement is good. It tends to separate the sincere and honest from those who lie and are in this for profit or fame or whatever else, and force them into opposing camps. There is no reason that we should simply "all get along for the sake of unity."

I have met Piper a few times and have nothing against him except that he has hitched his wagon to Willis Carto's star for good or for worse, mostly the latter. Carto, though he certainly knows better, uses the disingenuous conservative Xian populist approach to our racial struggle for profit, while he attacks those who insist on building the necessary revolutionary, biologically-grounded NS approach. What Piper doesn't say in his long letter to Weber is that Carto's lead attorney, Mark Lane, is a Jew. Carto employs other Jews and has even used niggers to open the incoming mail to his Libberty Lobby patriotic empire. This is revolting, not revolutionary!

[Note: links are all dead now]

Here's an opinion of Carto by Tom Metzger:
http://homepage.mac.com/lsf/others/010706Metzger.htm

Here's another from 35 years ago from Revilo P. Oliver, giving a hint as to why Carto would be so happy to see the fruits of his nemesis Dr. Pierce's labor -- who successfully built the National Youth Alliance into the National Alliance -- handed back to him for a few cents on the dollar by the lying, thieving hijacker, Sean Walker:
http://homepage.mac.com/lsf/others/701217oliver.html

And here is a Web site where the opinions of Willis Carto by many others, besides Pierce, Metzger and Oliver, can be found:
http://homepage.mac.com/lsf/others/otherstoc.html
 
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Searching for the omitted section from the original National Alliance Handbook, dealing with Christianity as an opposed ideology, I came across this from Counter-Currents:


http://www.counter-currents.com/2010...-christianity/

Greg Johnson says:

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I was unaware the religion was one of the issues of contention in the fracturing of the National Alliance after Pierce’s death.


Will Williams replies:

Greg, reading what Dr. Pierce, Founder of Cosmotheism, wrote to his members in 1982, shows that he had no intention of compromising with Xians. He wanted to disentangle our race from the clutches of this Abrahamic slave creed and strike out on a higher path.

Most Alliance members realized there was a spiritual aspect to the National Alliance, and that we took a decidedly dim view of Xianity. There were never any prayers at our meetings, or any other Xian trappings like that. To some of us the Alliance was our Church, grounded in reality and Nature, and race-centered.

Imagine how many Pierce loyalists who had dedicated their lives and fortunes to Alliance-building must have felt when Gliebe and Walker & Co. removed the entire following section from the second printing of the National Alliance Membership Handbook.

All else aside, that one ill-advised blunder could arguably be what did the Alliance in once and for all. Gliebe had gone big tent — for expediency and short term gains — and drove the Alliance into the ground from then on.



Section from the original National Alliance Handbook deleted after Dr. William Pierce's death:

2.d. OPPOSED IDEOLOGIES (written in 1992)
2d.vii. Christianity

The National Alliance is not a religious organization, in the ordinary sense of the term. It does, however, have to concern itself with religious matters, because religions influence the behavior of people, society, and governments. The doctrines of various religious groups—Christians, Muslims, Jews, Buddhists, et al.—deal with the temporal as well as spiritual matters and therefore often conflict with National Alliance doctrine.

Christian doctrines are of much greater concern to the National Alliance than the doctrines of other large religious groups, because Christianity is the most influential religion in the United States, Europe, and the rest of the White world. Most members of the National Alliance come from families which are, or a generation ago were, at least nominally Christian, and very few come from families which practice or practiced, Islam, Buddhism, or other religions. Furthermore, the history of our race for the last thousand years has been inextricably bound up with Christianity. The National Alliance really cannot avoid taking positions regarding Christian beliefs and practices, despite the complications this causes our work.

The immediate and inevitable fact which forces us to come to grips with Christianity is that the mainstream Christian churches are all, without exception, preaching a doctrine of White racial extinction. They preach racial egalitarianism and racial mixing. They preach non-resistance to the takeover of our society by non-Whites. It was the Christian churches, more than any other institution, which paralyzed the will of White South Africans to survive. It is the Christian establishment in the United States which is preeminent in sapping the will of White Americans to resist being submerged in the non-White tide sweeping across the land. Most Christian authorities collaborate openly with the Jews, despite the contempt and abuse they receive in return, and the rest at least follow Jewish policies on the all-important matter of race. The occasional anomaly—a Catholic bishop in Poland speaking out angrily against Jewish arrogance, a few Protestant groups in the United States expressing sympathy for oppressed Palestinians—does not invalidate the rule.

We are obliged, therefore, to oppose the Christians churches and to speak out against their doctrines. But we do not, as some groups have done, accuse the Christian leaders of being false Christians. We do not say, “We are the real Christians, because we stand for the values which the mainstream churches stood for a century ago, before they were subverted.” We do not reach for our Bibles and point to verses which seem to be in accord with the policies of the National Alliance and contrary to the present policies of the Christian churches. A diligent Bible scholar can find in the Judeo-Christian scriptures support for—or ammunition against—virtually any policy whatsoever.

Beyond the immediate conflict between us and the Christian churches on racial matters there is a long-standing and quite fundamental ideological problem with Christianity. It is not an Aryan religion; like Judaism and Islam it is Semitic in origin, and all its centuries of partial adaptation to Aryan ways have not changed its basic flavor. It was carried by a Jew, Saul of Tarsus (later known as Paul), from the Levant to the Greco-Roman world. Its doctrines that the meek shall inherit the earth and that the last shall be the first found fertile soil among the populous slave class in Rome. Centuries later, as Rome was succumbing to an internal rot in which Christianity played no small part, legions of Roman conscripts imposed the imported religion on the Celtic and Germanic tribes to the north.

Eventually Christianity became a unifying factor for Europe, and in the name of Jesus Europeans resisted the onslaught of Islamic Moors and Turks and expelled the “Christ-killing” Jews from one country after another. But the religion retained its alien mind-set, no matter how much some aspects of it were Europeanized. Its otherworldliness is fundamentally out of tune with the Aryan quest for knowledge and for progress; its universalism conflicts directly with Aryan striving for beauty and strength; its delineation of the roles of man and god offends the Aryan sense of honor and self-sufficiency.

Finally Christianity, like the other Semitic religions, is irredeemably primitive. Its deity is thoroughly anthropomorphic, and its “miracles”—raising the dead, walking on water, curing the lame and the blind with a word and a touch—are the crassest superstition.

We may have fond memories of the time before the Second World War when pretty, little girls in white dresses attended all-White Sunday schools, and Christianity seemed a bulwark of family values and a foe to degeneracy and indiscipline. We may cherish the tales of medieval valor, when Christian knights fought for god and king—if we can overlook the Christian church’s bloodthirsty intolerance, which stifled science and philosophy for centuries and sent tens of thousands of Europeans to the stake for heresy.

We may even find Christian ethics congenial, if we follow the standard Christian practice of interpreting many of its precepts—such as the one about turning the other cheek—in such a way that they do not interfere with our task. But we should remember that nothing essential in Christian ethics is specifically Christian. Any successful society must have rules of social conduct. Lying and stealing were shunned in every Aryan society long before Christianity appeared. Our pagan ancestors did not need Christian missionaries to tell them how to behave or to explain honor and decency to them—quite the contrary!

Historians may argue the pros and cons of Christianity’s role in our race’s past: whether or not the unity it provided during a period of European consolidation outweighed the loss of good genes it caused in the Crusades and the bloody religious wars of the Middle Ages (and through the Church’s policy of priestly celibacy); whether the splendid Gothic cathedrals which rose in Europe during the four centuries and the magnificent religious music of the 18th century were essentially Christian or essentially Aryan in inspiration; whether Christianity’s stand against the evils of self-indulgence—against gluttony and drunkenness and greed—was worth its shackling of the human mind in superstition or not. One thing already is clear, however: Christianity is not a religion that we can wish on future generations of our race.

We need ethics; we need values and standards; we need a world view. And if one wants to call all of these things together a religion, then we need a religion. One might choose instead, however, to call them a philosophy of life. Whatever we call it, it must come from our own race soul; it must be an expression of the innate Aryan nature. And it must be conducive to our mission of racial progress. Christianity, as the word is commonly understood, meets neither of these criteria.

The fact is that, completely aside from the racial question, no person who wholeheartedly believes Christian doctrine can share our values and goals, because Christian doctrine holds that this world is of little importance, being only a proving ground for the spiritual world which one enters after death. Christian doctrine also holds that the condition of this world is not man’s responsibility, because an omnipotent and omniscient deity alone has that responsibility.

Although some Christians do believe Christian doctrine wholeheartedly, however, most do not. Most instinctively feel what we explicitly believe, even if they have repressed those feelings in an effort to be “good” Christians. Because of this many nominal Christians, even those affiliated with mainstream churches, can, under the right circumstances, be persuaded to work for the interests of their race. Other nominal Christians—especially those who stand apart from any of the mainstream churches—have interpreted Christian doctrine in such an idiosyncratic way that the contradictions between their beliefs and ours have been minimized.

For these reasons we want to avoid conflict with Christians to the extent that we can. We don’t want to give unnecessary offense, even when we speak out against the doctrines of these churches. We don’t want to ridicule their beliefs, which in some cases are sincerely held. Some of these people later will reject Christianity’s racial doctrines. Some will reject Christianity altogether. We want to help them in their quest for truth when we can, and we want to keep the door open to them.

Members who want to study the subject of Christianity and its relationship to our task in depth should read Which Way Western Man? by our late member William Simpson. The book’s initial chapters describe the spiritual odyssey of a man of exceptional spiritual sensitivity, who was far more intensely a Christian than nearly any Christian living today and who eventually understood the racially destructive nature of Christianity and rejected it.

A more concise study of the difference between the Christian world view and ours is given in Wulf Sörensen’s The Voice of Our Ancestors, which was reprinted in National Vanguard No.107.
 
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Dr. Pierce's admiration for Wulf Sörensen's Heathen World View


Dr. William L. Pierce: "A more concise study of the difference between the Christian world view and ours is given in Wulf Sörensen’s The Voice of Our Ancestors, which was reprinted in National Vanguard No.107."
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VOICE OF OUR ANCESTORS
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Who We Are: the History of the White Race


I.

Who We Are #1
May 1978

Unity & Diversity in Nature, but Never Equality
Miscegenation Stifles Evolutionary Progress
Changing Climate Sped Eurasian Evolution

No people is morally and spiritually healthy unless it is imbued with a strong sense of its own identity. Essential to that sense of identity are an awareness and an understanding of all the qualities which the members of the people share in common.

It is doubly imperative that every man and woman who claims the privilege of membership in a community based on the bonds of common race and common culture knows and takes pride in his racial and cultural history, for in this history are all the elements which give his community its unique character and differentiate its members from all those who are not members.

When such knowledge and pride are lacking, a community is subject to a host of ills and cannot long endure. Solidarity and a sense of responsibility to the community give place to special-interest factionalism and alienation. A lack of a sense of identity blurs the distinction between compatriot and stranger, between friend and foe, and leaves the community prey to the greed or malice of aliens as well as of its own pathological members, who will grow mightily in numbers as loss of identity proceeds.

The National Alliance is still very small compared to the larger national-racial community of which it is a part, yet if it is to grow someday into a truly effective community of blood and spirit which can serve as a nucleus for the regeneration of the larger community, it must begin now the process of education which will later serve as a model for the re-education of our whole people. NATIONAL VANGUARD serves this purpose, and it is hoped that the series of articles entitled "Who We Are" which will appear in successive issues will contribute to its overall effectiveness in that direction.

Let us begin acquiring our understanding of who we are by going far, far back beyond our earliest historical records ... back beyond man himself ... back to ... the Beginning.
 
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Like I said in the first paragraph of my first posting, "I'm playing devil's advocate".

Why ?? To shame VNNers into uniting and organizing into an activist, membership, political organization. The first requirement for which, is finding a capable/suitable leader.

I mistakenly thought the very title of this thread would be sufficiently insulting to provoke angry opposition to the idea of accepting a non-white party leader. Also, the argument I made supporting such a leader, ie., "all capable white men are too yellow to lead a white political party, therefore we oughta try and find a non-white to lead it."

Weren't you insulted by that ?? Hell, I thought everybody would be, but nobody was. Nobody even stated a reason for not finding a non-white leader, meaning everybody agrees that all capable white men are too yellow.
Not only would I object to following some nigger supposedly fighting for Our Cause, I would also object to a Xtian, who worships a dead Kike on a stick, leading the way.

There are now tens of thousands of biological racialists in America today, far more in number then in Dr. Pierce's day. The problem is that most of them are either disillusioned or have joined small organizations with incapable leaders who's ideas will never appeal to more than a small niche within America's White Nationalist population. Then there are the Internet/Media self promoters that they follow, promoting a smorgasbord of half-baked ideas, two of the worse being PLE and Lone Wolf anonymous cells that many pray one day will save them like the Xtian's dead Jew. And yes, many others who are unwilling to make any personal sacrifices unless they get a guarantee return on their investment in time and money.

The first requirement is not to find a capable White leader, instead it is to build a core of dedicated members from Pierce's Remnant, that a capable leader can work with. How many 30 to 40 year-old's do you know that can put in the time required and is also financially independent? No capable leader is going to want to work with a bunch of anonymous selfish White men who are easily swayed by the latest fad in the big tent White Movement or a bunch of hobbyists searching for some White utopia that only exists within their wild imagination.

All of this theorizing takes place in the make-believe world of revolutionary hobbyism. In the real world, “leaderless resistance” is simply an excuse for losers, cowards, and shirkers to do nothing except talk to each other. Building an effective organization of any sort is difficult work, and those who don’t like work or who have tried to build an organization and failed often are resentful of any effort that shows signs of success. Their reasoning is, “I tried it and wasn’t successful; therefore, it can’t be done.” And the reason that nearly every organizational effort has failed has not been government spies or provocateurs; it has been the low quality of the human material in the organization. Certainly, the Alliance has never had any damage done to it by government agents. Every major difficulty we have had has been the consequence of bad judgment or bad behavior on the part of a member. - Dr. William Pierce, Losers, Hobbyists, and the “Movement”


"I’ll take Dr. Pierce’s intellectual honesty and single-minded, positive leadership every time over what we have today. Our tires may need rotating but WNs do not need to reinvent the wheel." - Will Williams

What's lacking today is Dr. Pierce's approach. The Jew Bible, worship of the imaginary Abrahamic god and of his mythical bastard son, has no place in a serious White resistance movement that focuses on near absolute Jew control of our so-called Judeo-Xian civilization. There is no such thing as "positive Xianity"; not for our purposes there's not. Xianity is an opposed ideology. Period! It's Jewish at its core. How can we reasonaby expect to de-judaize our kinsmen by feeding them thin Judaic pabulum rather than the rare red meat of strict racial loyalty that they need for nourishment? - Will Williams

The fact is, Bible-believers must accommodate themselves to our a strict Race First ideology because we will never join with their nonsensical, antithetical ideology that "we are the true Jews of the Bible and Yahweh will save us." That's no better than the screwy evangelical "end times" crowd, the crazy white Xian Zionists who worship everything Judaic and deny our race. - Will Williams

I quote Will Williams almost as much as I do Dr. Pierce, not only because, as you (Rounder) have pointed out, that he is a genius, but also because he has learned through experience what does and does not work in building a White Nationalist organization. Just look at the people that he has worked and learned from over the years; your White Patriot's Party, Ben Klassen's Church of the Creator, and Dr. William Pierce's National Alliance; all three, at their peak, far more influential than what we have today. Also, I know that you will agree with me when I say that no one today has a better grasp of Dr. Pierce's Cosmotheist worldview than Will Williams.

Fred Streed, Hadding, Jerry Abbot, Vindicator06, all have said one time or another on this forum that one needs to re-read Dr. Pierce every three years to get a better grasp at what Pierce was saying, but it was Will Williams who finally drove it home to me that one needs to read Pierce on a regular basis in order to stay focused.

Pierce's Remnant can and must regroup if we, the White Movement, is going to make any meaningful progress. I, like you, am getting tired of seeing us going nowhere with no organization that we can direct newly awaken Whites to. We have to get organized, there is no other alternative, unless one has already resigned oneself to our eventual demise.

The truth of the matter is, there’s not much advantage to be gained inside the “movement.” It is too heavily freighted with chronic losers, incurable hobbyists, phone-booth Fuhrers, and other defectives. Perhaps the “movement” is no worse than the general public in this regard, but we’re looking for the best and strongest people we can find, and we find them much more often outside the “movement” than inside it. It is time for all members who have been focused on the “movement” either to reorient themselves in an outward direction or to find another organization to devote themselves to. As our tempo and our work load increase, being in the Alliance will be less and less fun for those whose primary aim is to amuse themselves with “movement” gossip. And I will have less patience with hobbyists and with those who believe that the Alliance is part of the “movement.” Our aim is not to be the biggest and best organization in the “movement”; it is to leave the “movement” to its clubby introspection while we get on with the job of building a revolutionary infrastructure. - Dr. William Pierce,Losers, Hobbyists, and the “Movement”
 
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