#1 Serial Killers Thread (also for ordinary murders/executions, heavyweight crimes globally)

[Martin Barlow]

Without a doubt my favorite serial killer. He wasn't an asshole who enjoyed watching people suffer, and he didn't kill to make himself feel important. He was just so sexually messed up he enjoyed fucking the entrails of gay niggers lol

The only disappointing thing about Dahmer was his discovering God while in prison and blaming his crimes on his atheism.

[Serbian]

Originally Posted by Alex Linder

How did the communists treat criminals/crimes like this in their press, I wonder? Do they feel the need to come up with some kind of ideological motive, since they believe all behavior is socially constructed? How could someone living in a worker's paradise off 52 women and children? It seems like the system wasn't working for him.

When Chikatilo was caught the Soviet Union had already basically collapsed so I guess they gave it more publicity in the new 'democratic system' than would have been the case in the past, certainly under a Stalin where it would have been swept under the rug. Even though generally stuff like this was less how should I put it 'popular' in the Russia than say the US where the media has sensationalised and in some cases even made stars out of serial killers (a whole underground cult industry was long ago developed. see all the t-shirts and death metal bands who sang about such matters, even dedicating entire albums to people like Dahmer) .

In the old Soviet system if stuff like this happened the perp was simply executed very quickly with hardly any media show. In terms of ideological motive if anything they viewed this as a Western phenomenon (violent crime, serial killers, armed robberies, unsafe streets, sick perverted society, these were all the fruits of the rotten decadent capitalist West according to the authorities)

Even in old socialist Yugoslavia we viewed America as a very violent and dangerous place to live.

[Serbian]

A sex murderer within the ethical paradigm of Communism is just another of a minority of incorrigibles who refuses to ''adapt'' to Socialism.

This is true, and these people were done away with very quickly, without any human rights or other type of nonsense we see today.

[James Hawthorne]

Jack the Ripper

In total Mr Marriott has discovered 17 unsolved Ripper-like murders committed between 1863 and 1894. He believes a 'German' merchant seaman called Carl Feigenbaum was responsible for some, but not all of those killings.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/weird/...fter-125-years

[Serbian]

Originally Posted by Thomas777

Well, its possible if not probable that ''serial killers'' represent a strongly masculine personality type/psychological makeup, albeit a horribly deformed manifestation of constituent traits, that women find instinctively appealing in some primitive and ruttish way. At least the offenders who are afforded sensational attention by media outlets are presented in this manner.

The multiple murderers who get a lot of ink and media attention often are photogenic types who seem to appreciate the limelight and come off as charismatic. I don't much follow this type of thing but I recall Danny Rolling in the 1990s getting a lot of attention and female news interviewers commenting on the fact that he was ''handsome'' and presumably seemed like a man who had somehow erred in life and pursued a depraved path, etc., the suggestion being that he wasn't a common jailbird. This kind of nonsense makes for good copy. Somebody made the point once that there's a lot of not particularly photogenic or well spoken hardened white trash convict types and inner city nigger gang triggermen who manage to rack up alarmingly high personal body counts yet who don't earn the moniker of ''serial killer'' - nor do they end up on the front page of major newspapers.

The inherent masochism of the feminine character is something lots of learned men have written about - Schopenhauer among them. The serial killer narrative panders to this - sort of a Dracula fantasy but with real gore and detritus in lieu of stage blood.

I think you hit it on the head. One only has to look at how much female attention that ugly spic Richard Ramirez, the so called 'Night Satlker' was getting while behind bars. Women were sending him love letters, marriage proposals and even fighting over him.

[N.B. Forrest]

Originally Posted by Serbian

I think you hit it on the head. One only has to look at how much female attention that ugly spic Richard Ramirez, the so called 'Night Satlker' was getting while behind bars. Women were sending him love letters, marriage proposals and even fighting over him.

It seems that only idiot wimmin do this. I've never heard of swooning men contacting Susan Smith, Jodi Arias or Aileen Wournos looking for Wuv (altho a Christer couple "adopted" the latter nightmare hag).

[Alex Linder]

Originally Posted by N.B. Forrest

Edmund "Big Ed" Kemper. 6'9", 300 pounds, I.Q 145. Killed his grandparents at 15, and later murdered his hated mother - who was an abusive drunk - thusly:

How you can you be a criminal at that height? Would think you stick out too much.

I read the other day that 17% of men over 7 feet tall are in the NBA. That can't be right, it seems, but maybe it is.

[Alex Linder]

Originally Posted by Thomas777

Well, its possible if not probable that ''serial killers'' represent a strongly masculine personality type/psychological makeup, albeit a horribly deformed manifestation of constituent traits, that women find instinctively appealing in some primitive and ruttish way. At least the offenders who are afforded sensational attention by media outlets are presented in this manner.

Not true - many of them are queers, and they are generally weak people, not strong, Bundy being a good example - totally beset with groundless social fears. Many of them come out of some totally fucked up family background, like Kemper or Ed Gein in Wisconsin; others come from a good home, like Dahmer, and are simply bad seeds or head cases. Very few come across in the bad-boy sense you're talking about. Serial killers are generally fuckheads, warp jobs, sexual extremists or people from such a shitty background they're basically ferals - Charles Manson is a good example, altho not really a serial killer.

I have not noticed women are specifically interested in serial killing, I have noticed they are often very interested in crime, for example the procedural shows that proliferate on tv.

[Alex Linder]

The inherent masochism of the feminine character is something lots of learned men have written about - Schopenhauer among them. The serial killer narrative panders to this - sort of a Dracula fantasy but with real gore and detritus in lieu of stage blood.

Women like the illusion of danger and the reality of security. They take the appearance for the reality, particularly when they're young and dumb and don't know any better. After early 20s, they mature, generally. They like these cop shows because they get some cheap thrills, then Big Daddy comes in and straightens everything out. So I guess that's a dual satisfaction they get out of them. God, I hate those shows. That kind of horrible clipped, 'smart' writing where every speaker upwits the last one, ugh...so intolerable. Then you always end up with some moralizing kike lecturing the inevitable evil white man...I don't watch that shit. There truly is no better genre of which to say: if you've seen one CSIUSUV, you've seen them all.

[Alex Linder]

Originally Posted by Zander

Dennis Rader, the "B.T.K" psychopath was an interesting case. I watched footage of his court appearances where he described his crimes like normal people would discuss the weather.

That creep lived over in KC, I saw some local coverage years back. Pretty typical midwesterner to all external appearances.

[Alex Linder]

Originally Posted by Thomas777

Well, its possible if not probable that ''serial killers'' represent a strongly masculine personality type/psychological makeup, albeit a horribly deformed manifestation of constituent traits, that women find instinctively appealing in some primitive and ruttish way. At least the offenders who are afforded sensational attention by media outlets are presented in this manner.

The multiple murderers who get a lot of ink and media attention often are photogenic types who seem to appreciate the limelight and come off as charismatic. I don't much follow this type of thing but I recall Danny Rolling in the 1990s getting a lot of attention and female news interviewers commenting on the fact that he was ''handsome'' and presumably seemed like a man who had somehow erred in life and pursued a depraved path, etc., the suggestion being that he wasn't a common jailbird. This kind of nonsense makes for good copy. Somebody made the point once that there's a lot of not particularly photogenic or well spoken hardened white trash convict types and inner city nigger gang triggermen who manage to rack up alarmingly high personal body counts yet who don't earn the moniker of ''serial killer'' - nor do they end up on the front page of major newspapers.

The inherent masochism of the feminine character is something lots of learned men have written about - Schopenhauer among them. The serial killer narrative panders to this - sort of a Dracula fantasy but with real gore and detritus in lieu of stage blood.

Few serial killers are genuinely charismastic. Charisma is a rare quality. Manson apparently has it. But I don't know that he's classified as a serial killer.

[Alex Linder]

Originally Posted by N.B. Forrest

And the straight interviewer said it felt so good that it spooked him.

Haha, yes he did...well you know...you're writing a piece, you gotta drag a little pink herring to get the readers sometimes... It was funny.

[Nate Richards]

Bob Berdella. My dad actually met this guy back in the late 60's. His girlfriend was renting the second storey of Bob's house, and I guess there was some words between them but for whatever reason she was afraid of bob and wanted someone with her. Maybe she was just conning my dad into carrying furniture, I don't know.

She was scared of Bob and claimed that he had meetings in the living room with his friends all wearing robes and chanting. She'd go down to use the kitchen and it gave her the creeps. Just cracks me up picturing it, like a sitcom, "sorry, wrong room" or "pardon me, need to get something out of the fridge". Bob was into the "wicca" stuff before it really got big here in the usa. Started in england, if I remember right. Called himself a "high priest"

Anyway, dad said what he remembered most about Bob was just how boring he was. He was worried when he was going over there that this guy was some dangerous nut, but he said Bob was polite and friendly and wanted to show off his antiques. Dad said he had these little lead figurines of dwarves and wizards and whatnot, reminded me of stuff I've seen collected by Dungeons and Dragons types when I was a kid. The dark side of the rainbows and unicorns lol

Bob had the deviant knives and the whole bit, one of those "kris" curvy knives, I had to look up the word. Had this on the mantle and was proud to show it off. Claimed he was a "high priest" or a good witch or whatever. My dad's a history buff and I guess Bob was encouraged by that, wanted to show him a lot of antiques. He had a lot of weird shit from africa, skulls and bloodstained rocks.

Dad seemed to think he was strange, but harmless. Strange and trying to be stranger. Bespectacled little italian new-agey sci-fi occult geek.

Anyway if you know the name "Bob Berdella", you know what he was doing in the 80's. He liked to pick up faggots and drug addicts and torture them to death, sometimes feeding them to his neighbors. "The spaghetti sauce tasted funny" lol He was supposedly Dahmer's inspiration if you read up on it, he was injecting these guys' brains with various chemicals, trying to create a gay zombie slave or something.

The most disturbing thing I've ever read about Bob Berdella, is that he was hooked up with local government. He was on a list of "mentors"(?) and Kansas City judges would send "troubled young men" to him for shelter and encouragement. He was like a foster home. That detail has been reported in mainstream media, but not much.

Bob was an avid photographer, too, so if you look around on the net you can find a lot of photos of his victims in captivity.

Yep, I'm a Wizard.

...and then I realized that dicksucking wasn't the wisest career move

[Alex Linder]

Originally Posted by N.B. Forrest

And the straight interviewer said it felt so good that it spooked him.

Even I have observed this quality in people from Tennessee and Kentucky. If you come from a straight-laced background, where things are pretty black and white, and emotions aren't super open, then being around people who are much looser, or feral, can really magnetize your attention. I've noticed this quality in the times I was in Kentucky. People will just randomly say things to you that people in other areas wouldn't say. There's a different quality to their laughter, their eyes, their way of being. This is part of what's appealing to these high-class young women when they come across young feral Chuck from Kentucky. They're not used to that type, it's interesting to them. This is also part of the appeal of slumming it - what E. Michael Jones talks about in his histories - whites going to Harlem or Greenich Village to hang out with negroes and listen to jazz. Whites have always been titillated and intrigued by the animalistic nature of blacks. It's easy to get drawn into their ways because...no standards. This is also the appeal of christianity itself, as created by jews - it's judaism with the net down - no standards. Anything lax and loose appears fun. And is fun. But only of the short term. But most people are too dumb to see what lies just over the horizon.

[Alex Linder]

Originally Posted by Thomas777

Solzhenitsyn wrote fairly extensively about Soviet penology and its underlying theories of behavior and punishment.

The Sovs themselves, like the East Germans, never denied that there would be some criminal elements present in societies that had realized or were approaching the realization of socialism - what they claimed was that these people were behavioral outliers who were mentally insane or were incorrigibly anti-social and thus could not or would not adapt to society. In this way of course, the authorities would posit that people who were opposed to the regime were ''criminals'' in the same measure as men who actually committed criminal acts like robbery, rape, homicide, etc.

A sex murderer within the ethical paradigm of Communism is just another of a minority of incorrigibles who refuses to ''adapt'' to Socialism.

Soviet and DDR propaganda was in fact remarkably consistent in most of its tenets - this had a long precedent. Hitler himself remarked that the early KPD (1920 or thereabouts) was very adroit in its propaganda in a way that was unusual for revolutionary movements (nascent or otherwise) originating among workers.

Communism was initiated by an intellectual and carried on by jews with a background in pilpul. These are revolutionaries who take ideas seriously. That's why they've generally defeated other forces. I've tried for decades to get people on the white right to see this, but I've made little impression. They truly don't believe ideas or consistency matter when all experience shows it matters hugely.

I just wondered if there were some specific authoritative, ideological reaction to this particular murderer.

[Alex Linder]

Originally Posted by Martin Barlow

Without a doubt my favorite serial killer. He wasn't an asshole who enjoyed watching people suffer, and he didn't kill to make himself feel important. He was just so sexually messed up he enjoyed fucking the entrails of gay niggers lol

The only disappointing thing about Dahmer was his discovering God while in prison and blaming his crimes on his atheism.

Huh, I never heard that last bit. I always liked that he didn't blame his parents. Nor did Bundy. When I was in DC I worked with a kid who was going to school and living very near where Dahmer was doing all that in Milwaukee/Marquette.

[Alex Linder]

Originally Posted by Serbian

When Chikatilo was caught the Soviet Union had already basically collapsed so I guess they gave it more publicity in the new 'democratic system' than would have been the case in the past, certainly under a Stalin where it would have been swept under the rug. Even though generally stuff like this was less how should I put it 'popular' in the Russia than say the US where the media has sensationalised and in some cases even made stars out of serial killers (a whole underground cult industry was long ago developed. see all the t-shirts and death metal bands who sang about such matters, even dedicating entire albums to people like Dahmer) .

In the old Soviet system if stuff like this happened the perp was simply executed very quickly with hardly any media show. In terms of ideological motive if anything they viewed this as a Western phenomenon (violent crime, serial killers, armed robberies, unsafe streets, sick perverted society, these were all the fruits of the rotten decadent capitalist West according to the authorities)

Even in old socialist Yugoslavia we viewed America as a very violent and dangerous place to live.

Huh...that's interesting. What I found in Germany was the belief -- universal -- that blacks are badly treated in America. No conception of racial reality at all. Also, the universal tendency of the Euro press to portray Reagan and Americans generally as cowbodys was just head-spinning. These people have a very distorted idea of what America's actually like. White America is if anything safer and more civilized than Europe. Whites love guns. Only fags and city people hate them, and that's for racist reasons - they live among niggers, and fear them, and don't want them owning guns. But because of their ideology they can't admit this, so they take out all the frustration on law-abiding rural/normal whites, whom they disparage continually in their media.

Violence in America is purely a racial thing. Where there are blacks and browns there's violence; where there are whites, there's peace and order, even in poorer areas.

Europe has watched too many movies.

Yeah...I see about the USSR, just makes me wonder if, before '89, the communist media would have reported this guy's killings at all. Or reported that there was thought to be one guy responsible for dozens of murders. Maybe the cops didn't even know it, I don't know.

[Alex Linder]

That's the single most bizarre thing about the Euro press, at least in Germany. It's inevitable portrayal of Americans as cowboys. There might be fifteen real cowboys in America, if you looked really hard.

[Nate Richards]

Without a doubt my favorite serial killer. He wasn't an asshole who enjoyed watching people suffer, and he didn't kill to make himself feel important. He was just so sexually messed up he enjoyed fucking the entrails of gay niggers lol

The only disappointing thing about Dahmer was his discovering God while in prison and blaming his crimes on his atheism.

You know, if that guy was just chopping up niggers to keep his dogs fed or something, I can see that. He used his victims as sex toys, dissected them alive, etc. A guy like this is dangerous to other humans. If he didn't have gay niggers to victimize, he'd be doing it to white kids.

[Alex Linder]

Women who write prisoners - I think that's more about them than the prisoners. I think they get off on the fact the guy is trapped behind bars so HE WILL NEVER LEAVE THEM. And...THEY DONT HAVE TO HAVE SEX WITH HIM. For a fraction of women, it's like the perfect relationship, lol.

The bad-boy thing is real. But bad boys are like motorcycle types, with cool hair - stuff that gets young-girl hearts thumping. Bad boys do cool crimes like rob banks, or stick up 7-11s, not sicko shit like Gein and Kemper and Dahmer (German-Americans, repruhzent).