A Hearty Fuck You To Don Black & Co.

[Angst]

Originally Posted by TrueConservative

I don't believe DB would tolerate such things being said about Linder on his board, honestly.

Although I never heard Don Black slandering Alex Linder specifically, I do recall Don Black calling VNN a "toxic waste dump" in the sustaining membership section not so very long ago. And, every insult to VNN imaginable happens right under Don's nose and goes unpunished. Jackboot, envious of VNN's multi-media advances, looks down his own nose at VNN too, jotting an occasional screed. My jaw dropped when JJT called jackboot his "brother" in the SM section. 'Nuff said.

Originally Posted by TrueConservative

VNN should keep doing it's thing and clean up this inter-WN strife non-sense. Questionable people are maligning and libelling a very good man.

Two years ago Stormfronters had to come to VNN to find out what was really going on with the NA, because you couldn't talk about it on SF. A lot of people left the NA and followed Strom to the NV. Then they find out that the NA wasn't lying about Strom's failures when it comes to meeting deadlines and having good communication. As a result, NV members splinter off to form NC. Nobody could talk about any of this openly on Stormfront.

I'll reserve an opinion on the allegations against Strom until I've had a chance to review all of the evidence, but I reject the notion that Stormfront is somehow more "ethical" because of its selective censorship.

[Itz_molecular]

Originally Posted by TrueConservative

Don Black created White Nationalism on the internet. His site is the most successful, attractive, and feasible center for White Nationalism anywhere.

It has been said about Bill White that he is likely a government paid rabble rouser.

As for Alex Linder and VNN, just a different style which appeals to far fewer people, but I don't doubt Linder's sincerity.

Hal Turner, liar, unstable, it has been said, sincerity is ambiguous.

To the above , Amen and Hallelujah

[Itz_molecular]

Originally Posted by chrissy

I don't understand all these attacks against Don Black and Stormfront. At least he's trying, why does he have to be attacked by other whites who are supposed to be on his side?

Simple , it's the motto of the evil tribe ' poison the well , to destroy your enemy'.

Some is petty envy and the clash of egos, nothing new . Just persist

[Itz_molecular]

Originally Posted by TrueConservative

This place is like a sideshow circus full of government agents and crazies. Just because we ban crazies and government agents at SF, don't hate us for it.

Hey , don't knock it . You're here

[John in Woodbridge]

I believe both Stormfront and VNN has its niche, as does Amren. I think all this in-fighting needs to stop.

I can understand why there is heavy moderation on SF, but it's also nice to have a place like VNN where one can let their hair down, sort to speak. No one here would have their post deleted for using the word "nigger" or "kike", for example.

[SSteve]

Originally Posted by TrueConservative

This place is like a sideshow circus full of government agents and crazies. Just because we ban crazies and government agents at SF, don't hate us for it.

Number One: Next time pick a better name, itz a dead giveaway.
Number Two: "WE ban crazies," meaning you are part of JewFront management?
Number Three: Since itz apparent you only registered here to bash VNN, why not just go back to your kikes, kike-alikes, and Republicunt warmongers at JewFront?

[kymry...]

True Conservative is making me vomit in annoyance.

Stormfront? Making excuses for paedophiles and perverts. Trying to control the WN movement and failing it terribly badly. Being run by other convicted perverts and men with less than decent moral standing. Stopping members naming the Jew who is the white man's eternal enemy. Barring members who dare criticize the corruption and mismanagement that is Stormfront today. Misleading supporters about its finances. Allowing a convicted con-man, womaniser and loser like David Duke (honest? decent? You must be insane to believe it) to be the figurehead. Supporting Kevin Strom the outed pervoid whose other contacts and colleagues within NatVan abused children and young teenagers...........

If these are the movement leaders we should all go and fuck a nigress today!

But I take heart from the fact that more and more people see VNN as the place to be because it names the Jew, doesn't shy away from difficult issues, doesn't rip people off and does allow debate on serious issues, the Strom outrage being a good example.

To me and a ton of others, Stormfront is the near-perfect government-assisted WN honeytrap where decent, well-meaning concerned white folks go and then get used, abused, fleeced and spat out when they're no longer useful.

Stormfront is the place trying to go the respectable road of Euro-Nationalism where suddenly the brave Islamic fighter who is taking it to the Jews is the enemy and the Jew is somehow OK to work with?

Stormfront sells illusions like the televangelist sells God.

Stormfront is the enemy of effective white resistance as it pretends there's some easy way to win minus the horrible but necessary bloodshed that'll need to come and the sooner the better.

K
nwhomeland.blogspot.com

PS - We don't need any Conservatives. See Rockwell on Conservatives.

[kymry...]

Yes, which is why they need to be ousted. How to do it? Don't go to Stormfront, don't give them any money. Ignore them, blank and black em! (Well, not Don Black em!)

Stormfront is a talk shop and we need action shops right now. Stormfront is a placebo.....

Stormfront has done nothing for the white race ever.

K
nwhomeland.blogspot.com

[Sándor Petőfi]

JubjubTree has consistently deleted any posts I have made even tacitly suggesting the racial view of historiography. Fuck him.

[TrueConservative]

Here's your typical VNN'er who maligns Stormfront:

Posts from the public library terminal because their trailer is off the grid to avoid mind-control radio waves which emanate from most Starbucks. Got a post deleted on SF about Freemasonry and it's links to UFOs. Was so upset that the truth was being censored at SF, that they demanded an explanation from a mod about why their post was deleted. When the mod did not respond within 30 minutes, which is their daily allotted time at the library computer, they PM 70 people about the aliens who control SF. This PM is laden with expletives, and their account is deleted.

They go to VNN and are welcomed with open arms!

BTW, that's called satire, and it's opinion driven, and it's not the same as falsely accusing someone of being a pedophile.

BTW, is the pedophile claim not gaining ground, have we switched to alcoholic now?

[SSteve]

Originally Posted by TrueConservative

Give me a break. I post under the same name on SF, where I am a sustaining member.

That is NOT something to be proud of, unless, of course, you are a jew.

[Wayne]

Originally Posted by TrueConservative

Give me a break. I post under the same name on SF, where I am a sustaining member.

For $5, anyone can be a SM at SF. There's nothing special about it. Some of SF's worst posters are SMs.

[WhiteNationalistUT]

Originally Posted by TrueConservative

When the mod did not respond within 30 minutes, which is their daily allotted time at the library computer, they PM 70 people about the aliens who control SF. This PM is laden with expletives, and their account is deleted.

True Conservative is relatively new to WN. He doesn't understand IP masking or switching yet. He's just very paranoid about the whole scene.

The real question True Conservative has to answer is why does Don Black allow JohnJoyTree (JJT)(JewJewTree) to have top control of Stormfront?

Don Black is an alcoholic who has been allowing JJT to ban all the posters who expose the Jews.

That's a fact. It's time for Don Black to step away from what he has termed himself "Stormfront is just a stupid message board"....that is Don Black's actual words in the SM forum. Stormfront is filled with about 5,000 Jews right now who make forays to support the ZOG attack on Muslims. Kelso is building up the members so the numbers for a sale of the board look good.

Stormfront unique IP visitors has declined 24% in the last year under JJT's jewish rule. Turns out Whites don't like a board with Jews on it.
Check Big Boards for the stats on Stormfronts unique IP decline in last 12 months.

Don Black needs to remove JJT and Jack_Boot, and the Mods who are crypto pro-Jews, we know who they are, then he himself needs to resign and get treatment for his alcohol problem.

As it is Don Black is spreading lies about WN and banning effective WN.

Don Black's alcoholism and JJT are driving Stormfront into the ground.
Don Black has such a severe drinking problem that he has allowed what he calls his "stupid message board" to be run by the pro-Jew JJT and it is no longer pro-white.

Don Black's alcoholism has become progressively worse over the last 4 years and he needs to get help, he has lost control of Stormfront and his life.

When the head of the tribe is sick, the real men have to have the guts to tell it to him, and stop the lies of covering up for him.

[ngrh8r]

Originally Posted by M_D

For $5, anyone can be a SM at SF. There's nothing special about it. Some of SF's worst posters are SMs.

Five bucks, huh? That explains why there are so many goddamn supporting members. Makes me wonder how many kikes coughed up a few bucks to remove suspicion about themselves.

I think you made a shitty moderator, MD, but your posts seem to fit in here on VNN quite well.

[kymry...]

TrueConservative is starting to look more stupid by the minute. He obviously doesn't like the fact the more and more VNNers and non-aligned WN types have started to see through the 14-word claims of the alcoholics, perverts, child abusers and paedophiles that we now KNOW to have run, and continue to run, Stormfront and the membership organisations associated with it.

We don't need their leadership and I'd rather spend the money I earn on sitting with a group of white men and women and start to explain what they already know - that I'm 100% White Power and all for a homeland for our people.

No, I may not agree with Alex Linder on things, or with many VNNers who are yet to be convinced by the need for white living space somewhere in America BUT we know who is NOT going to take us in the right direction. This old gang of money-making rip off merchants known as Stormfront who have not helped reverse our people's decline one bit in ten years of internet inaction are yesterday's "leaders" and today's scandal as their cover-ups, perversions and evil associations start to become more widely known.

K
nwhomeland.blogspot.com

[Wayne]

Originally Posted by WhiteNationalistUT

Don Black is an alcoholic ...

I know Don. I've spent quite a bit of time with him. He is not an alcoholic. You're much better when you stick to facts, Celtic Patriot, FranklinPhilidelphia, Druid Scholar, etc.

[kymry...]

That may be so MD but are you denying any of the much more serious things that Black and co have been involved in? The list is growing ever longer and, true, I've never touched anything to do with this "leadership group" (I know them to be conmen, but anyhow) since the 1980s as at that time their misdoings were pretty widely known within the movement even minus the Internet as a tool for communication.

The sad thing is that Fields was known about, Black was known about, Duke was known about and there were questions about Strom too as I recall. It's just a shame for THE WHITE RACE (does anyone remember them in this equation or have the 14 words just become irrelevant to the personality conflicts?) that these creatures have been able to effectively neuter the white resistance for the last several years......

K

[Joe_J.]

[QUOTE]

Originally Posted by chrissy

I don't understand all these attacks against Don Black and Stormfront. At least he's trying, why does he have to be attacked by other whites who are supposed to be on his side? He and Alex might see some things differently but they're fighting very hard for the same cause, freedom for whites. They both have the benefit of having the internet now , that leaders of earlier times didn't. And they're both are under alot of pressure just standing up to the enemy.

They will not allow any discussion about Strom and other WN involved in pedophilia. That is the problem. Read the first post of the thread. I saw them do the same thing about the Kingston rally simply because Hal Turner was organizing it. There were other things that they stifle any dissent or discussion about. I ignored that stuff. Stifling any discussion about pedophiles in the movement is no different than condoning it.

Why criticize him for trying to overthrow a government? That's really lame for a wn to be saying. Maybe he was practicing?

From what I have read about it (from factual sources, not other WN sites), it makes for a good laugh more than anything.

We aren't going to win this war by sitting here typing on the computer.

I agree. I think that any WN leader needs to be above board as much as possible if he or she is going to be a public figure. Misdemeanor convictions or very minor things don't bother me. Pedophilia is something else entirely.

Look at the arabs, they are fighting with weapons , they have the scientists and the soldiers , they might be developing nuclear and biological weapons to solve their future problems.

As Doc said on the VonBluvens Show after he returned from Israel, "no matter what you think about them, the Palestinians are the only people in the world killing jews.

[Joe_J.]

Originally Posted by TrueConservative

BTW, that's called satire, and it's opinion driven, and it's not the same as falsely accusing someone of being a pedophile.

BTW, is the pedophile claim not gaining ground, have we switched to alcoholic now?

Noone has falsely accused anyone. Go to overthrow.com, for one thing, and read the notarized statement by Strom, signed by him, his wife and the notary. Are you claiming he was never arrested?

I started this thread because Don Black stifles dissent on Stormfront and will not allow anyone to discuss the issue. As someone else said, the same thing happened with the NA debacle, MuadDib losing his mod position, Armenian hell raisers that got booted for naming the jew and a lot of other good people that have been banned for asking questions. I could go on and on. I have seen the heavy hand come down hard when people asked questions or discussed things that DB or jewtree do not want brought up on the board. I ignored the other bullshit for a long time. Sweeping pedophilia under the rug is something that makes Black just as bad as the pedophiles because it means he has no problem with it.

[Joe_J.]

Deny this, you asshole DB supporters:

Torrance, California -- Stormfront activist and close associate of Don Black, David Duke, Jamie Kelso and Willis Carto Joe Fields offered at least nine young girls as young as nine $1000 each to appear in pornographic movies and had at least five other child porn films seized from his home in 1996, Overthrow.com has learned today.

This information partially confirms and partially corrects an earlier story this website ran on fields.

According to a copy of Fields' court and prison records, which was forward to Overthrow today along with several news articles on Field's arrest and a copy of a letter Field sent to supporters claiming he was framed for the crime by Tom Metzger, Ernst Zundel and the ADL, Fields served a year in prison after being convicted on a plea of no contest to five counts of offering girls nine to sixteen years old $1000 each to appear in pornographic films with him.

The full test of the Torrance, California Daily Breeze article on the case from March 30, 1996, follows:

FORMER CANDIDATE DENIES CHILD ANNOYANCE CHARGES

By Ian Gregor, Staff Writer
Torrance California Daily Breeze 30 March 1996

Two time ultra-right political candidate Joe Fields has been charged with trying to persuade underage girls to appear in a pornographic movie, Torrance police said.

Fields was taken into custody Thursday morning at his home on West 260th Street in Harbor City, said Torrance police sergeant [obscured] La Londe. An arrest warrant charged Fields with nine misdemeanor counts of child annoyance.

His arrest follows complaints in February from nine Torrance and Lomita girls, ages 12 to 16 [Bill: note that a later article amended the ages to "9 to 13"], that a man had approached them as they walked home from school and, in some cases, offered them money to appear in a pornographic movie, according to a search warrant police obtained March 11 for Fields' home and car.

Police executed the warrant earlier this month, seizing five pornographic videotapes, according to court records.

Fields posted $15,000 bail and was released from custody Thursday afternoon, La Londe said.

Each count of misdemeanor child annoyance carries a maximum penalty of a $1000 fine and a year in jail.

Officials from the Police Department and City Attorney's office did not know whether arraignment had been scheduled.

Fields, 32, gained local attention in the 1980s with his public espousal of anti-Semitic and racist views before his unsuccessfull runs for state Assembly in 1992 and Congress in 1994. He vehemently denied the child annoyance charges during a brief interview at his home.

"All charges are false," Fields said [though he later pleaded no contest to them], "I completely deny them. I think its being fabricated to destroy me because of my political views."

[Bill: Note that nine unreleated girls picked out Fields as having solicited them. That's not exactly unpersuasive on its face.]

Fields says he believes he is being set up by the Anti-Defamation League, a Jewish organization dedicated to fighting prejudice. He did not elaborate on his theory, saying he had not yet spoken with his attorney.

Court documents filed by police to support their search warrant detailed the following events leading to Fields' arrest.

The alleged incidents occurred from Feb 5 to Feb 14, mostly in the Arlington Avenue / Carson Street area near Torrance High School. Five of the girls attend Torrance High School, thre attend JH Hull Middle School, and one goes to a vocational school.

Interview separately, the girls said they were walking home when they were approached by a man in an older model white car.

The man, who was unshaven with a mustache and dirty short hair, asked the girls if they wanted to be in a pornographic movie that was being filmed in Long Beach that evening. Three of the girls said the man offered them $1,000 to be in the movie. Six reported that he gave them a piece of paper with a name and telephone number and said to call the number if they were interested.

The car was dirty inside and littered with food wrappers, clothing, pornographic movies, and graphic porn magazines, several girls said. Some of the girls walked a way. One threw a Coke at the suspect. None called the number.

When Torrance police ran a DMV check on the car based on a license plate number several girls provided, they found it registered to Fields. All of the girl identified Fields when show his drivers licesne photo along with those of five other men of similar appearance.

The father of one girl, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said he was relived to hear an arrest had been made and was upset with his daughter for even speaking with the man.

Fields was never more than a [obscured] on the local political scene.

He ran as a member of the far right American Independence Party for the 36th Congressional District in 1994 and the 54th Assembly District in 1992. He finished with a tiny fraction of the vote each time.

During the elections, Fields campaigned as a nationalist in favor of immigration control and trade restrictions.

'Vicious Nazi'

But he had a long history of hate-laced statements and actions. An official with the Jewish Defense League [a terrorist organization] described him in 1992 as a "vicious Nazi".

In a tape recorded 1986 conversation with former Ku Klux Klan leader David Duke in a Culver City hotel room, Fields, then 22, said: "Sure, I love the Klan. I love the Nazi Party better, though. There's something about the swastika and the brown shit. I just like it better."

In October 1985, Fields and three other men were evicted from a Torrance Boulevard restaurant for wearing swastikas on their lapels, exchanging "Sieg Heil" salutes and allegedly vandalizing a restroom with anti-Semitic graffitti.

In December 1984, the Harbor Hawk, Harbor College's student newspaper, was censured by community college trustees after it published a series of opinion peices by then student Fields in which he claimed that an institute had uncovered "convincing evidence that the 'Holocaust' was a giant fraud."

Fields was fired from the paper three months later after he and Tom Metzger, the reputed head of the white supremacist group White Aryan Resistance, distributed pamphlets claiming the Holocaust is a myth.