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Old December 23rd, 2005 #61
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wrong. my french catholic grandmother had something like 16 kids... The Catholic teachings -> sexual pleasure and pleasure in general = bad, making lots of children for the Lord = good.
Right, a major deal with my RC forebears were lots and lots of kids.

The real reason birthrates are in decline among whites, despite feminism corporatism and what-all, is probably economic. Ernst Zundel, in an article by a Jew no less, declares in a quote that it was the optimism that Hitler inspired in the early days of the Third Reich that made him possible. Germans in Weimer were literally not breeding because of uncertainty and poverty.

Americans in the working class are the same, interestingly. When a family works for GM these days, you can't really blame them for holding back. They might be one of the 30,000 jobless-to-be GM is creating, and whites are often too responsible to breed under such doubtful circumstances. (Like Mr and Mrs Zundel in Wiemer Germany.)

Poor Catholics in grandpa's day, on the other hand, were usually farmers. It always made economic sense to breed more farmhands; paradoxically it made them less poor.
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www.solargeneral.com download the GLR vid of his tv interview. He states "Hitler was a Christian just like me". This was from his very own mouth on camera speaking to the world. Not some book that could be spun or misrepresented.

Did he lie? Who knows but he positively recognized the power of Christianity and wanted to ride the bandwagon.
Well there is a thing called CONTEXT and if you don't understand how White folks talked 40 and 50 years ago you might misunderstand.
When Rockwell or myself or anybody else was asked what we were we would say a "Christian" now by that we meant we weren't a jew. Today's concept of Christianity, of what being a "Christian" is, is something so very, very different from years ago. Rockwell was not a Christian in the sense that it is used today by evangelical types, his spirituality was something akin to atheism but he had a spiritual, a mystical sense of Adolf Hitler and our racial comrades who went before us. So Rockwell wasn't "lying" I never knew the man to lie, ever. However when he said "I am a Christian" it wasn't' what folks think of today. Adolf Hitler was baptized, Rockwell, myself, James Madole,et al but it would be misconstruing what is meant by the use of that term by the fellows back then to now.
What you have to understand is that I have no problems with my Christian brothers and sisters who are racially aware and are jew-wise, neither did Rockwell and neither did Hitler himself.
 
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The Christian, American, WASP, blue-blood, Mayflower financiers of the turn of the century were all a bunch of race traitor idiots who believed in the Jesus myth.

Christianity has to be done away with and replaced with a spiritual-racist-eugenic-tribal-materialistic-here and now "religion" or philosophy.

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I showed the clip to my dad, and he is 70. I am sure he didn’t go through the entire 50’s and 60’s speechless so he has a grasp of how people talked then. He said it meant GLR was a Christian and Hitler was as well.

However I am glad you could clear that up for me. I have led many older people at my congregation to confusion to this when I tell them I am a Christian. Apparently this simple sentence is to much for some. From now on I will tell them,

I am of German descent meaning my ancestors immigrated from Germany. I am not of Semitic descent. I also am a religious Christian who follows the teachings of Jesus Christ. I don’t follow Judaism.

I honestly think this will confuse them more than a simple “I am a Christian” even if they are over 60.


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Well there is a thing called CONTEXT and if you don't understand how White folks talked 40 and 50 years ago you might misunderstand.
Remember I am a minister so I am an expert on context. Nearly every thing I say in a sermon has to be taken back to a 2,000 – 6,000 year old context. If you showed that clip to 100 people I doubt one would understand it in the method you did.
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Old December 24th, 2005 #65
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Your so-called "voice of reason" has not reason at all. Kissing Jew ass and worshipping a Jew are two different things. Read the Qur'an so that you will know what you are talking about instead of just making stuff up in an effort to evade your defeat in logic and truth.

Really, start listing suwar then, I'll have my copy ready.
 
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No,they were not.They were auxillaries.A distinction is made between SS Division[SS proper] and Division der SS[auxillary unit co-opted by the SS].
The SS was a Germanic order of men and had very strict entrance requirements.I can vouch for this.


These were not "auxillaries" their roles were defined in the unit names(e.g. Mountain, Grenadier, etc.). Units like Shutzmannschaft(Schuma) also known as the Ordnungspolizei were "auxillary" units.

You can "vouch" for this? Leon DeGrelle and Otto Skorzeny vouch otherwise. If need be I know a Waffen SS vet I can contact if need be.

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As far as "wearing the runes" is concerned the auxillary divisions had their own substitutes for the SS runes on the collar patches.They did not wear them and they were substituted with other national symbols.
Wallonians, Norwegians, Frenchmen, Italians, and many other foreigners wore the runes at different periods in the war. Germany was not as strict on uniform codes. There are many sources that will tell you that Russians never wore the German eagle for example. And I have plenty of photographs of Russians wearing the German eagle. So much for that "rule".


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No,it was an auxillary unit only.Only men of pure Germanic descent traceable back 200 years were admitted into the SS.This requirement never changed.
It was not an "auxillary" unit, it was a mountain infantry unit.



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DeGrelle as a western European would have been regarded as "Germanic".The vast majority of non-Germanics belonged to the Eastern European and moslem units.


He was of French descent(though technically German though the Charlemagne division was considered French).

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I quote from Robin Lumsden`s "Himmler`s Black Order 1923-45",p210.
"Divisions staffed by Germans were know as "SS-Division",while those comprising mainly Volksdeutsche or Germanic personnel,whether volunteers or conscripts,were called "SS-Freiwilligen Division".Units composed primarily of east Europeans or Russians came into the category of "Waffen Division der SS",a term of inferiority which denoted attachment to,rather than actual membership of,the Waffen-SS".
A term of "inferiority"? How is "Division of the SS" inferior to the term "SS division"? That's all it means. As you see above I have read plenty a book claiming that there were special restrictions or uniform codes leveled at non-Germans and Eastern Europeans. Though these did indeed exist, nearly every one, including the runes issue, was violated at one time or another.

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I also quote from p.91 of Robin Lumsden`s "The Allgemeine SS",
"The SS is an association of German men,defined according to their Nordic blood and specially selected."[Clause 1 of the Engagement and Marriage Order of the SS,31/12/45.]
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I hope that this clarifies the distinction for you?

Nothing here states that these units are "auxillary". These men joined the Waffen SS. You are either in the SS or you aren't. Chain of command and title dictate one's unit, not collar tabs.
 
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Yeah, in regards Aryan Lord's post I hate to quibble but that's not entirely correct--"der SS" didn't mean "auxilliary". It was just more of the racial hairsplitting that characterized Himmler and the Nazis. Maybe a better word would be "legions" which was used. "Der SS" was used for the French and Italian units also. Anyway Himmler bent over backwards to ensure that foreign members received the same honor and respect as German SS members.

Also don't get the foreign Waffen SS mixed up with the "Germanic SS" which was a different animal.

Degrelle and the rest of the Walloons initially weren't allowed into the W-SS, because they weren't Germanic; the Flemish however were. It wasn't until later that the Walloons were grandfathered in. Same thing goes for the French. Charlemagne had the appelation "der SS" as did its members although the vast, vast majority of them wore the runes on their collar. It may even have been made official; can't recall though I have it here somewhere. Degrelle was a great man but wasn't exactly "Germanic" just because Himmler deemed him so. They reversed themselves and it was just racial hair-splitting.

This business about Germanic ancestry going back about 200 years was originally true but may have changed later with the Waffen SS; I don't see how they could have diligently gone through all the draftees' backgrounds. Take Gotz von Berlichingen or the other high numbered German units, Frundsberg maybe, I know they had conscripts. I don't think they had time for genealogical cherry-picking.

Also don't forget the SS Polizei Division which didn't even get SS status til 1942; they were grandfathered in.

Robin Lumsden's OK I guess but there are far better authorities out there.

OK I'll get off my soapbox.
 
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German policy in terms of volunteers to its armed forces began with German only, then Germanic, then Western European, and then Eastern European. Of course it did not go exactly like this. Many Volksdeutche were far more a part of their home nation than they were German.
 
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Honest opinion, what do you think would happen to Christians if people like Will Williams and J.P Slovjanski came to power?
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You're far too modest. If I may paraphrase, I believe you said: If VNN (Linder, Miller et al) gains power, they'll destroy me...that's why I don't contribute.
Craig is a Creator, right? I recently read “The White Man’s Bible” twice. I read it once before becoming a Christian and decided to pick it up and read it again last week. I even reviewed it and it is online. If Craig is a sincere Creator (and I think he is) he must hate me. His religion dictates it. TWMB spends more chapters and time preaching against Christianity than it does against Jews and blacks combined.

Any creator that follows the laws dictated by TWMB would be forced to hate any and all Christians. So either Craig hates me or he doesn’t follow the rules set forth by TWMB.
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No and I am not the least bit concerned a username would attempt to bring harm to me. They are only as dangerous as the on/off switch on my monitor. There have been a few that have threatened to harm me, but no one with the brass to do it.

All though I am sure by reading what is posted here, many would rather see harm come to me instead of a Jew or mud skinned Arab.
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Well there is a thing called CONTEXT and if you don't understand how White folks talked 40 and 50 years ago you might misunderstand.
When Rockwell or myself or anybody else was asked what we were we would say a "Christian" now by that we meant we weren't a jew. Today's concept of Christianity, of what being a "Christian" is, is something so very, very different from years ago. Rockwell was not a Christian in the sense that it is used today by evangelical types, his spirituality was something akin to atheism but he had a spiritual, a mystical sense of Adolf Hitler and our racial comrades who went before us. So Rockwell wasn't "lying" I never knew the man to lie, ever. However when he said "I am a Christian" it wasn't' what folks think of today. Adolf Hitler was baptized, Rockwell, myself, James Madole,et al but it would be misconstruing what is meant by the use of that term by the fellows back then to now.
What you have to understand is that I have no problems with my Christian brothers and sisters who are racially aware and are jew-wise, neither did Rockwell and neither did Hitler himself.
That's the key right there! It is the SPIRITUAL SENSE of Christianity that is the important part just as it is the SPIRITUAL SENSE of other religions that gives them power. And regardless of the religious trappings, it is this spiritual sense that has to be felt by each person before they can even understand what religion is all about. If the Odinists can feel this spiritual level of Humanity, then they can understand what Christians or anyone else is talking about without thinking it necessary to reject what is being said unless it is something brought forth from their own tradition.

Hitler had this spiritual sense even if he rejected the outer trappings of Christianity -- how else could he have spoken to the People with such indomitable power? You don't go to heaven with a Bible or a Qur'an or a Runic stone in your hand; you go there in your spirit. Finding this Spiritual Sense, is one of the tasks of every warrior and of every man or woman in this Life Time. Woe to those who do not look for it; and pity to those who do not find it!

It is this spiritual sense that gave the Christians as well as the National Socialists much of their power. And it is for this reason that the Jews and Communists pull down, betray, ridicule and try to destroy the Religions and the Spiritual Sense in Mankind.
 
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Really, start listing suwar then, I'll have my copy ready.
It's spelled "suras" and I won't waste time debating Muslim BS with you. Just read the first couple of suras and you can see where Mo-ham-mad prayed that Al Lah (the moon god) would be as good to the Arab ragheads as He had been to the kikes. The jews love that sort of thing because it puts just another bunch of people under their phony kike religious spell.
 
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It seems that most white supremacists prefer Muslims over Jews. This is understandable due to the fact that Muslims also hate Jews. White nationalists think they have found an ally in a mutual cause. (He who is the enemy of my enemy, is my friend.)

Always try to keep in mind however, that both Jews and Muslims are semitic peoples. When push comes to shove, Israel and Islam will unite as brothers- in-arms to destroy white America. Consequently, it will be the Jew ( and not his duped, ignorant Islamic semitic brother), who will dominate the world.
 
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It's spelled "suras" and I won't waste time debating Muslim BS with you. Just read the first couple of suras and you can see where Mo-ham-mad prayed that Al Lah (the moon god) would be as good to the Arab ragheads as He had been to the kikes. The jews love that sort of thing because it puts just another bunch of people under their phony kike religious spell.
The plural is "suwar" and the singular is surah. Gee, I thought you knew more about the Quran than me. This is the best argument you can come up with? Apparently this moon god is causing Jews worldwide to panic. People that care about something other than money and material goods? Shudder!
 
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It seems that most white supremacists prefer Muslims over Jews. This is understandable due to the fact that Muslims also hate Jews. White nationalists think they have found an ally in a mutual cause. (He who is the enemy of my enemy, is my friend.)

Always try to keep in mind however, that both Jews and Muslims are semitic peoples. When push comes to shove, Israel and Islam will unite as brothers- in-arms to destroy white America. Consequently, it will be the Jew ( and not his duped, ignorant Islamic semitic brother), who will dominate the world.
No, "Muslims" are not Semitic people. Semitic is a linguistic group and there has never been any kind of "Semitic" unity movement; there has been Zionism and Pan-Arabism and as we all know these factions were always opposed. Less than 15% of the world's Islamic population is Arab; the most populated Islamic country is Indonesia. These Muslims would not present a problem if European countries stopped importing them for cheap labor and didn't interfere with the governments of Muslim countries.
 
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Christianity freed women from the view that they were somehow inferior to men. From the drudge slave of men, Christianity showed that the highest of spiritual men are born through woman. And that the woman who can achieve a high state of spiritual purity are worthy to be the mothers of saints. Christianity showed that God moved through Woman just as much as He moved through Men. And Christianity showed that what men and women perceived as an ordinary life could be filled with spiritual light and bliss as a higher attainment leading to holy insight.

In Germanic society xtianity "freed women" from nothing.They already had considerable freedoms and liberties if you care to examine the Norse sagas that deal with day to day relationships in pre-xtian Germanic society.
In fact according to the scholar Jenny Jochens in her "Women in Old Norse Society" "Most of the personal and temporal restrictions on marriage included in the laws were of Christian origin."[p.22]
In fact there are many instances of women taking a prominent role within the sagas,often as warriors,colonists or just normal everyday women of strong character who governed their household.
Tell me therefore what xtianity "freed" my ancestors from?
Are you implying that "higher attainment" can only be achieved through xtianity,a religion which is alien to Germanic and Aryan man?



Let's start with Nietzsche's ridiculous views of Christianity in his "Human, all too Human". Nearly everything he writes about Christianity is false and is based upon his false ideas. He really didn't understand the subject and filled his writing with exercises in logic based on false assumptions. In regard to religion, Nietzsche was a stupid fool although he seems to have impressed lesser intellects with his dazzling array of logical deadends.

You state that Nietzsche`s view on xtianity is false but you do not say why.In contrast Nietzsche goes to great pains to explain his thinking and the reasons for it in his works.I draw your attention to Book Two section 145 of "The Will To Power" which states:"
What an affirmative Aryan religion, the product of the ruling class, looks like:the law-book of Manu.[The deification of the feeling of power in Brahma: interesting that it arose among the warrior caste and it was only transferred to the priests.]
What an affirmative Semitic religion, the product of a ruling class, looks like: the law-book of Mohammed, the older parts of the Old Testament.[Mohammedism, as a religion for men, is deeply contemptuous of the sentimentality and mendaciousness of Christianity-which it feels to be a woman`s religion.]
What a negative Semitic religion, the product of an oppressed class, looks like: the New Testament[-in Indian-Aryan terms: a chandala religion].
What a negative Aryan religion looks like, grown up among the ruling orders: Buddhism.
It is quite in order that we possess no religion of oppressed Aryan races, for that is a contradiction: a master race is either on top or it is destroyed."



Infinite Bliss, Serene tranquility, limitless wisdom, joyous happiness, supreme peace, steadfast courage, resounding victory, unassailable power. These, for starters.

Nothing which cannot be achieved via Aryan systems of Awakening and spirituality.We do not have to rely upon the works of a diseased and parasitical race for this.


You assume that I am a Christian. And you assume that my religious knowledge is based in Judaism. But your assumptions are wrong. What I am speaking about is True Religion and that is not found by rejecting religion just because you don't understand it. What I am speaking about any Odinist can find.

I fully "understand" xtianity.I was wrapped up in it for many years until I heard the call of the blood.Being true to this call I rejected an alien spirituality and explored the spirituality of my pre-xtian ancestors.



I do not have a Jewish religion. Jews are devils. You accuse me falsely. I am not labeling those who take issue with my comments as idiots. I am only labeling this particular idiot as an idiot. It is not that he takes issue with what I say, it is that he says idiotic things. So what else could he be?[/QUOTE]


You are defending an alien religion,one which has been created and developed by our eternal enemy the jew.I am perplexed as to why you should defend this poison called xtianity.
 
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No, "Muslims" are not Semitic people. Semitic is a linguistic group and there has never been any kind of "Semitic" unity movement; there has been Zionism and Pan-Arabism and as we all know these factions were always opposed. Less than 15% of the world's Islamic population is Arab; the most populated Islamic country is Indonesia. These Muslims would not present a problem if European countries stopped importing them for cheap labor and didn't interfere with the governments of Muslim countries.
For the sake of convenience and simplicity, I dump them all into the same category. To me, "Muslims" include Arabs, Islamics, etc., etc.

"Jews" include Zionists, Israelis, etc., etc.

And although the definition of semitic is complex and somewhat hazy and vague, by reading between the lines of the research, it becomes clear that Muslims and Jews are indeed semitic peoples. And all of them are Liberals!

Even though Jews and Muslims are mortal enemies, I maintain that in the event of a decisive and catastrophic conflict between Liberals and non-Liberal whites, including white Christian conservatives, Muslims and Jews would unite in a common goal to destroy the entire white race. In such an event, Jews would of course, have a clever ulterior motive -- let Muslims do the fighting.

Following the conflict, it would be the Jews who would dominate the world at the expense of Muslims.
 
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No, "Muslims" are not Semitic people. Semitic is a linguistic group and there has never been any kind of "Semitic" unity movement; there has been Zionism and Pan-Arabism and as we all know these factions were always opposed. Less than 15% of the world's Islamic population is Arab; the most populated Islamic country is Indonesia. These Muslims would not present a problem if European countries stopped importing them for cheap labor and didn't interfere with the governments of Muslim countries.

You are taking my words out of context.
Yes I realise that the majority of moslems are not semites just as the majority of xtians are not semites but the RELIGION IS.
I would also draw your attention to the fact that moslems are assimilated into a semitic arabic culture with arabic and therefore semitic customs,language and values.A semitic mindset.Furthermore the vast majority of arabs ARE moslem.
I hope that this clarifies my position.
I have no particular problem with moslems unlike many white nationalists. What I oppose about their presence in Europe is not their religion but their alien race. I would also contend that European governments are not "importing them for cheap labour" but that all EU countries have no internal borders.Once they break their way in over the more weaker external EU borders they are in,many of them illegally.
What our governments do in case you have not noticed is not the will of their indigenous populations but the will of the jew who controls all western governments.
 
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wrong. my french catholic grandmother had something like 16 kids. I once met a guy who had 22 brothers and sisters. When the catholic church was everywhere in Quebec very large families in rural ares were common. The Catholic teachings -> sexual pleasure and pleasure in general = bad, making lots of children for the Lord = good

I'm not saying christianity is good though. A racist can't seriously be a christian at the same time because christianity says our souls are all equal, i.e. an african christian is as good as a white christian. That's a major contradiction.

besides you're contradicting yourself because many islamists are in favor of de-cliting girls and punishing women who don't wear the carpet. Islam has more sex related taboos than you can imagine

we're not in danger because we don't have a high birth rate, we're in danger because our traitors have invited non-whites to settle in our lands and subsidized them to make children to replace us.

I agree with the points that you have made but I would add that the only reason why the Roman Catholic Church encourages large families is because each new born swells their ranks as another sheep. It could not care less if that baby were a negro or a European.It is all the same for them.
 
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The Christian, American, WASP, blue-blood, Mayflower financiers of the turn of the century were all a bunch of race traitor idiots who believed in the Jesus myth.

Christianity has to be done away with and replaced with a spiritual-racist-eugenic-tribal-materialistic-here and now "religion" or philosophy.

I'm only posting to show off my new sig.

Come to northern Europe comrade!We have almost eradicated xtianity.
Unlike our American comrades it is practically unheard of for a racial nationalist to also be a xtian. They are either atheist or heathen.
The problem with the US is that it is still burdened with its Mayflower pilgrim fathers legacy.
 
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These were not "auxillaries" their roles were defined in the unit names(e.g. Mountain, Grenadier, etc.). Units like Shutzmannschaft(Schuma) also known as the Ordnungspolizei were "auxillary" units.

Only divisions staffed by Reichdeutschen[German citizens from within the Reich] were regarded as real SS units.They were termed "SS-Division".Those staffed by Volksdeutschen[ethnic Germans from outside the Reich] and other Germanic non-Germans were referred to as "Freiwillige"[volunteer].Those staffed by non-Germanics were termed "Division der SS".It implies an inferior status.Have you not read my references to the requirement for SS men to be of German blood?
Read again my quotes from Robin Lumsden`s works! Are you saying that this man is wrong?


You can "vouch" for this? Leon DeGrelle and Otto Skorzeny vouch otherwise. If need be I know a Waffen SS vet I can contact if need be.

I have my copy of Skorzeny`s`memoirs with me so feel free to quote from them! My personal knowledge comes from my late mother who was an SS wife.


Wallonians, Norwegians, Frenchmen, Italians, and many other foreigners wore the runes at different periods in the war. Germany was not as strict on uniform codes. There are many sources that will tell you that Russians never wore the German eagle for example. And I have plenty of photographs of Russians wearing the German eagle. So much for that "rule".

I realise that there was a lot of non-conformity with uniforms,especially in field conditions.However you are missing the point.Only full members of the SS could wear the SS runes.To be a member of the SS one had to be of German or Germanic blood.




It was not an "auxillary" unit, it was a mountain infantry unit.

If it was termed "Division der SS" then it was not a real SS unit,only co-opted for use by the SS.




He was of French descent(though technically German though the Charlemagne division was considered French).



A term of "inferiority"? How is "Division of the SS" inferior to the term "SS division"? That's all it means. As you see above I have read plenty a book claiming that there were special restrictions or uniform codes leveled at non-Germans and Eastern Europeans. Though these did indeed exist, nearly every one, including the runes issue, was violated at one time or another.

You do not understand that in German as with other languages there is a subtlety of difference which those who are of only limited or no knowledge would not normally appreciate.




Nothing here states that these units are "auxillary". These men joined the Waffen SS. You are either in the SS or you aren't. Chain of command and title dictate one's unit, not collar tabs.[/QUOTE]

I once again I draw your attention to Robin Lumsden`s explanation of the difference in distinction between "SS-Division" and "Division der SS".I notice that you have not commented on these references.Why is that?
 
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