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Old July 16th, 2018 #1
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Default Umberto Eco's "The Name Of The Rose"


What does everybody here think about that movie?


The plot . . .

Mysterious death cases happen in a monestary during the high Middle Ages ( 14th century ) , located in Northern Italy . . . at that time two foreign monks visit the monestary ( William of Baskerville and his novice Adso of Melk . . ) . . .


William Of Baskerville begins investigating the cases . . The monks proclaim their medieval superstition by believing "the Devil goes around in this monestary . . ." . .William of Baskerville is a bit more "reasonable" though . . .
He approaches the whole thing in a more "rational" way . . .

The movie goes on with the two monks connecting clues . .
In the end it turns out that , contrary to what the monks held for true, no "supernatural power" was behind those deaths . . .
The movie also features a conflict between the "faithful" monks and the more "reasonable" William . . . he is portrayed as , over the years , having learned to distrust Christianity . .

Thus far the plot . .

My personal opinion . .

It is a movie very critical of Christianity . . . it is set in the high Middle Ages . . . .

Umberto Eco , who wrote the novel , is said to be an esoteric man . . .


. . a 'humanist' , as some would deem it . . . .


Like I said , the plot is very critical of Christianity . . .
While the monks are shown giving in to their "superstition", William is trying to approach it in a reasonable way . . .
The movie also contains some very strong quotes ( too many to name . .)

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0091605/quotes

One might draw one's own conclusions from those quotes . . .

Umberto Eco is a man very critical of Christianity ( apparently ) which is probably why he made up the plot . . .

Interesting . . . .

Concerning the movie itself . . . .
I think it is put in scene quite well . . . it opens up the world of society of the high Middle Ages with its strict devotion . . .







Your opinions ?
 
Old July 16th, 2018 #2
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Little remark on the brik . .

Since this movie is set in a world much more 'faithful' than today , I find it notable how many cases of the Vrigin Mary 'appearing' were reported during the Middle Ages . . .

Still today , religious people share such stories. . . .

The most notable case , though , was during World War 1 , "Our Blessed Lady At Fatima" . . .

For those who claim such visions , are they "no longer out in the open" today ?

Very few cases still are reported . . .


Even in recent years . .

 
Old July 16th, 2018 #3
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Great Movie. I enjoyed every bit of it. Also read the book.
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Old July 17th, 2018 #4
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James Bond, Hugo Drax and Emperor Palpatine all in the same movie.
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Old July 17th, 2018 #5
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Great Movie. I enjoyed every bit of it. Also read the book.
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James Bond, Hugo Drax and Emperor Palpatine all in the same movie.
lol . . yes . .

Makes me think of this . .
https://www.stormfront.org/forum/sho...10&postcount=9
 
Old August 29th, 2018 #6
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On a side note , concerning the story . .

Eco said that he used a lot of allusions . .

For example , the name of one of the protagonists "William Of Baskerville" is an allusion to Sherlock Holmes . .

The most notable story by Holmes-inventor Arthut Conan Doyle is "The Hound Of The Baskervilles" . .

Quite a clever allusion to make people think of Holmes . . .

His apprectice "Adso Of Melk" points to "Watson" , Sherlock's helper . .

Watson . . Adso . . Cleverly chosen letters . . .


Eco confirmed that himself . .


The movie also deals with two "detectives" solving a case of murder . . .


Eco gave the works of A. C. Doyle as one of his biggest influences . .


And indeed , to this day , A. C. Doyle remains one of the all-time classics of world literature . .


. . or "Sir Arthur" , as some prefer ( he received multiple knighthoods . .)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur...urs_and_awards

Quite ironic , on a side note , that one of the most famous Brits in newer history , or one who created one of the most notable fictional British characters , if you will , was surnamed "Arthur" . .



 
Old August 30th, 2018 #7
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I haven't seen the movie, but I have read the novel, and it is excellent, one of my favorite novels. I started another of his novels, Foucault's Pendulum, but I didn't care for it and didn't get very far into it.
 
Old September 1st, 2018 #8
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For example , the name of one of the protagonists "William Of Baskerville" is an allusion to Sherlock Holmes. .

The most notable story by Holmes-inventor Arthut Conan Doyle is "The Hound Of The Baskervilles".
Most notable? That is a matter of opinion.

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Quite a clever allusion to make people think of Holmes . . .
Not clever. It's the obvious way to do it. (By the way, you are supposed to end your sentences with one period, not 2, 3, or 4.)


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A. C. Doyle remains one of the all-time classics of world literature
Doyle obviously copied Holmes and Watson from Poe's Dupin and his sidekick.

The Third Reich made a film titled "The Man Who Was Sherlock Holmes" (1937):

https://archive.org/details/DerMannD...iminalkomoedie

Perhaps subtitles can be found here:

http://www.opensubtitles.org/en/search

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Quite ironic , on a side note , that one of the most famous Brits in newer history , or one who created one of the most notable fictional British characters , if you will , was surnamed "Arthur" . .
No. The surname is the last name (family name). (Don't put spaces before your commas; you give the impression that you are scarcely literate.)
 
Old September 1st, 2018 #9
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Most notable? That is a matter of opinion.
Well , even if it wasn't the most notable Holmes story , "Baskerville" makes one think of the Holmes-story . .


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Not clever. It's the obvious way to do it.
Sorry , but I think just twisting the letters of "Sherlock Holmes" a bit might have been more obvious . .

Anyway , giving the protagonist the name "Of Baskerville" surely demonstrates creativity . .

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(By the way, you are supposed to end your sentences with one period, not 2, 3, or 4.)
You have a right to critisize my way to type , yet everyone has his / her own way of typing on internet forums ( mostly because people , as always , have different mentalities ) and that just happens to be my way . .

I'm not typing here for homework for school and know that teachers won't judge my spelling . .

It's just the way I feel comfortable typing , it doesn't have to look like a letter of application ( i. e. painfully precise ) . .

I know others have other ways of typing yet to me personally the message of someone's post is what counts most , not if he / she has a "peculiar" way of typing . .

For the record , it also is a custom on internet forums to type "1920's" instead of "1920s" or "mama's and papa's" instead of "mamas and papas" ( just two examples ) , something which I try to avoid TBH. .

Yet , like I said , for me personally the message matters most , I'm fine with everyone's way of typing . .

If you find my typing peculiar though , sorry I'm simply used to that . . .


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Doyle obviously copied Holmes and Watson from Poe's Dupin and his sidekick.
Never heard of that . .Will check it . .Thanks for the tip . .

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The Third Reich made a film titled "The Man Who Was Sherlock Holmes" (1937):

https://archive.org/details/DerMannD...iminalkomoedie

Perhaps subtitles can be found here:

http://www.opensubtitles.org/en/search
Yep , that's true . . In fact I was wondering whether someone would bring that up in response to my post . .



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No. The surname is the last name (family name).
Sorry , an error on my part . .

English is not my native language and when trying to put a lot of information in my posts sometimes errors happen . .

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(Don't put spaces before your commas; you give the impression that you are scarcely literate.)
Plz see my explanation above . .

Yet again , nothing against your opinion on my typing . .

In fact I sent you rep for pointing me to the Poe characters who I will be sure to check out . .

Thank you
 
Old September 2nd, 2018 #10
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I admit that , since English is not my "mother's tongue" ( that was voluntarily now though , heehee . .) I sometimes have a google translate window opened for a few words . .

We both know they suck though . .

I may not have studied in Oxford yet I think my English is good enough to notice that . .


lol !

Too bad this most epic movie quote came from a groid though . .

 
Old November 10th, 2018 #11
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I don't know 'bout your respective countries but since we're approaching Christmas time ( the sale has begun ) , this movie usually airs around Christmas time here in Germany ( kind of ironic though since the movie is , in fact , quite critical of Christianity yet it also gives an interesting picture of the high-middle-ages with its ways of belief . . .)
 
Old March 27th, 2019 #12
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I have just watched that movie again and tbh , it is quite well . . interesting . . to see Connery going from Bond ( an action-hero ; womanizer ) to such a 'faithful' monk-character . .




 
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I've always liked Sir Sean too, not only as the best Bond, but these other roles:

Irish-American Chicago copper Jimmy Malone in The Untouchables.


As Captain Marko Raimius in The Hunt For Red October, even if he was still speaking in a Scottish accent.


Not quite sure about Zardoz, however.

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