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Old July 16th, 2018 #1
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What does everybody here think about that movie?


The plot . . .

Mysterious death cases happen in a monestary during the high Middle Ages ( 14th century ) , located in Northern Italy . . . at that time two foreign monks visit the monestary ( William of Baskerville and his novice Adso of Melk . . ) . . .


William Of Baskerville begins investigating the cases . . The monks proclaim their medieval superstition by believing "the Devil goes around in this monestary . . ." . .William of Baskerville is a bit more "reasonable" though . . .
He approaches the whole thing in a more "rational" way . . .

The movie goes on with the two monks connecting clues . .
In the end it turns out that , contrary to what the monks held for true, no "supernatural power" was behind those deaths . . .
The movie also features a conflict between the "faithful" monks and the more "reasonable" William . . . he is portrayed as , over the years , having learned to distrust Christianity . .

Thus far the plot . .

My personal opinion . .

It is a movie very critical of Christianity . . . it is set in the high Middle Ages . . . .

Umberto Eco , who wrote the novel , is said to be an esoteric man . . .


. . a 'humanist' , as some would deem it . . . .


Like I said , the plot is very critical of Christianity . . .
While the monks are shown giving in to their "superstition", William is trying to approach it in a reasonable way . . .
The movie also contains some very strong quotes ( too many to name . .)

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0091605/quotes

One might draw one's own conclusions from those quotes . . .

Umberto Eco is a man very critical of Christianity ( apparently ) which is probably why he made up the plot . . .

Interesting . . . .

Concerning the movie itself . . . .
I think it is put in scene quite well . . . it opens up the world of society of the high Middle Ages with its strict devotion . . .







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Old July 16th, 2018 #2
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Little remark on the brik . .

Since this movie is set in a world much more 'faithful' than today , I find it notable how many cases of the Vrigin Mary 'appearing' were reported during the Middle Ages . . .

Still today , religious people share such stories. . . .

The most notable case , though , was during World War 1 , "Our Blessed Lady At Fatima" . . .

For those who claim such visions , are they "no longer out in the open" today ?

Very few cases still are reported . . .


Even in recent years . .

 
Old July 16th, 2018 #3
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Great Movie. I enjoyed every bit of it. Also read the book.
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Old July 17th, 2018 #4
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James Bond, Hugo Drax and Emperor Palpatine all in the same movie.
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Old July 17th, 2018 #5
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Great Movie. I enjoyed every bit of it. Also read the book.
https://vnnforum.com/showpost.php?p=...1&postcount=52
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James Bond, Hugo Drax and Emperor Palpatine all in the same movie.
lol . . yes . .

Makes me think of this . .
https://www.stormfront.org/forum/sho...10&postcount=9
 
Old August 29th, 2018 #6
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On a side note , concerning the story . .

Eco said that he used a lot of allusions . .

For example , the name of one of the protagonists "William Of Baskerville" is an allusion to Sherlock Holmes . .

The most notable story by Holmes-inventor Arthut Conan Doyle is "The Hound Of The Baskervilles" . .

Quite a clever allusion to make people think of Holmes . . .

His apprectice "Adso Of Melk" points to "Watson" , Sherlock's helper . .

Watson . . Adso . . Cleverly chosen letters . . .


Eco confirmed that himself . .


The movie also deals with two "detectives" solving a case of murder . . .


Eco gave the works of A. C. Doyle as one of his biggest influences . .


And indeed , to this day , A. C. Doyle remains one of the all-time classics of world literature . .


. . or "Sir Arthur" , as some prefer ( he received multiple knighthoods . .)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur...urs_and_awards

Quite ironic , on a side note , that one of the most famous Brits in newer history , or one who created one of the most notable fictional British characters , if you will , was surnamed "Arthur" . .



 
Old August 30th, 2018 #7
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I haven't seen the movie, but I have read the novel, and it is excellent, one of my favorite novels. I started another of his novels, Foucault's Pendulum, but I didn't care for it and didn't get very far into it.
 
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For example , the name of one of the protagonists "William Of Baskerville" is an allusion to Sherlock Holmes. .

The most notable story by Holmes-inventor Arthut Conan Doyle is "The Hound Of The Baskervilles".
Most notable? That is a matter of opinion.

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Quite a clever allusion to make people think of Holmes . . .
Not clever. It's the obvious way to do it. (By the way, you are supposed to end your sentences with one period, not 2, 3, or 4.)


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A. C. Doyle remains one of the all-time classics of world literature
Doyle obviously copied Holmes and Watson from Poe's Dupin and his sidekick.

The Third Reich made a film titled "The Man Who Was Sherlock Holmes" (1937):

https://archive.org/details/DerMannD...iminalkomoedie

Perhaps subtitles can be found here:

http://www.opensubtitles.org/en/search

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Quite ironic , on a side note , that one of the most famous Brits in newer history , or one who created one of the most notable fictional British characters , if you will , was surnamed "Arthur" . .
No. The surname is the last name (family name). (Don't put spaces before your commas; you give the impression that you are scarcely literate.)
 
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Most notable? That is a matter of opinion.
Well , even if it wasn't the most notable Holmes story , "Baskerville" makes one think of the Holmes-story . .


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Not clever. It's the obvious way to do it.
Sorry , but I think just twisting the letters of "Sherlock Holmes" a bit might have been more obvious . .

Anyway , giving the protagonist the name "Of Baskerville" surely demonstrates creativity . .

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(By the way, you are supposed to end your sentences with one period, not 2, 3, or 4.)
You have a right to critisize my way to type , yet everyone has his / her own way of typing on internet forums ( mostly because people , as always , have different mentalities ) and that just happens to be my way . .

I'm not typing here for homework for school and know that teachers won't judge my spelling . .

It's just the way I feel comfortable typing , it doesn't have to look like a letter of application ( i. e. painfully precise ) . .

I know others have other ways of typing yet to me personally the message of someone's post is what counts most , not if he / she has a "peculiar" way of typing . .

For the record , it also is a custom on internet forums to type "1920's" instead of "1920s" or "mama's and papa's" instead of "mamas and papas" ( just two examples ) , something which I try to avoid TBH. .

Yet , like I said , for me personally the message matters most , I'm fine with everyone's way of typing . .

If you find my typing peculiar though , sorry I'm simply used to that . . .


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Doyle obviously copied Holmes and Watson from Poe's Dupin and his sidekick.
Never heard of that . .Will check it . .Thanks for the tip . .

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The Third Reich made a film titled "The Man Who Was Sherlock Holmes" (1937):

https://archive.org/details/DerMannD...iminalkomoedie

Perhaps subtitles can be found here:

http://www.opensubtitles.org/en/search
Yep , that's true . . In fact I was wondering whether someone would bring that up in response to my post . .



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No. The surname is the last name (family name).
Sorry , an error on my part . .

English is not my native language and when trying to put a lot of information in my posts sometimes errors happen . .

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(Don't put spaces before your commas; you give the impression that you are scarcely literate.)
Plz see my explanation above . .

Yet again , nothing against your opinion on my typing . .

In fact I sent you rep for pointing me to the Poe characters who I will be sure to check out . .

Thank you
 
Old September 2nd, 2018 #10
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I admit that , since English is not my "mother's tongue" ( that was voluntarily now though , heehee . .) I sometimes have a google translate window opened for a few words . .

We both know they suck though . .

I may not have studied in Oxford yet I think my English is good enough to notice that . .


lol !

Too bad this most epic movie quote came from a groid though . .

 
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I don't know 'bout your respective countries but since we're approaching Christmas time ( the sale has begun ) , this movie usually airs around Christmas time here in Germany ( kind of ironic though since the movie is , in fact , quite critical of Christianity yet it also gives an interesting picture of the high-middle-ages with its ways of belief . . .)
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Old March 27th, 2019 #12
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I have just watched that movie again and tbh , it is quite well . . interesting . . to see Connery going from Bond ( an action-hero ; womanizer ) to such a 'faithful' monk-character . .




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I've always liked Sir Sean too, not only as the best Bond, but these other roles:

Irish-American Chicago copper Jimmy Malone in The Untouchables.


As Captain Marko Raimius in The Hunt For Red October, even if he was still speaking in a Scottish accent.


Not quite sure about Zardoz, however.

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Old September 13th, 2019 #14
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I agree.
Connery was the Bond per se.

However, The Name Of The Rose is also one of his most prominent roles and it is indeed interesting to see the Bond per se going from a role of a womanizing action-hero to a calm celibacy-monk

But then.. he also looked quite different in TNOTR from his looks as Bond
 
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