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Old August 28th, 2010 #21
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Thanks for posting. Do you know what year this paper was written? I don't see a date on it.
The paper at http://www.ub.es/graap/nazi.pdf was written from a grant received in 2003. I see references from the year 2005.
 
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The paper at http://www.ub.es/graap/nazi.pdf was written from a grant received in 2003. I see references from the year 2005.
Thank you. I have just started reading this, it's not too long I see. I really enjoy reading neutral accounts of NS non-military doings, very interesting indeed.
 
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Most book on NS you just get tired from the constant reassurances how bad they were. Yes, yes, little fellow, I understand how much you hate them, no, no I would never ever suspect the dozen years researching book indicated some kind of deep guess they might be right about this or that slightest thing. Never ever think, no no no, please, please, I beg you, just tell me the fucking story and keep the gravy off it. Thanks, pilgrim, 'preciate it muchly.
 
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Thank you. I have just started reading this, it's not too long I see. I really enjoy reading neutral accounts of NS non-military doings, very interesting indeed.
David Irving disappoints scholars by dealing only with Hitler's military leadership. While Hitler was by and large a competent military strategist, he was sometimes a bungler. It is very hard to find much on National Socialist economics, at least in English. Hitler regarded economics as self evident but that is what the Jews really hated him for.

It is not generally known but Hitler's economics can be summarized by the main organizing principle of the National Socialist Party:

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As you can imagine, this didn't sit very well with New York Stock Exchange Jews. From this overriding principle, the 25 points were developed.
 
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He who does not work, neither shall he eat

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Part of a series on
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He who does not work, neither shall he eat is a Biblical aphorism derived from II Thessalonians 3:10, which became a slogan for new colonies and socialist societies.

The slogan was used by Captain John Smith in setting up his colony in Jamestown, Virginia (1607-1609).

According to Soviet leader Vladimir Lenin, it is the first principle of socialism. The phrase is mentioned in his 1917 work, State and Revolution (chapter 5, section 3). Through this slogan Lenin explains that in socialist states only productive individuals would be allowed access to the articles of consumption.

This is not really directed at lazy or unproductive workers [1][2], but rather the bourgeoisie. Marxist theory holds that the bourgeoisie buy the commodity labor-power of workers and enlists them in the process of production. Profits are then made by the expropriation of surplus value. Accordingly, in a communist society, with the abolition of property and the law of value, there would be no class of individuals that lives off the labor of others. [3]

The principle would not apply to those who could not work, such as the elderly or the lame. These groups would have a right to society's products because they were not at fault for their condition. The elderly, furthermore had worked during their youth, and so could not be denied life’s basic necessities.

This concept is derived directly from the Second Epistle of Paul the Apostle (with Silvanus and Timothy) to the Thessalonians, in which Paul writes to the Thessalonians in reassurance regarding the Second Coming.

In the 1936 Soviet Constitution, Article Twelve states:
In the U.S.S.R. work is a duty and a matter of honor for every able-bodied citizen, in accordance with the principle: "He who does not work, neither shall he eat."


The principle has been fundamental to the attempts so far to effect the communist mode of production.
 
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It will come as no surprise to readers of the Mises Daily that price control does not work. But DiLorenzo still manages to come up with an unexpected point about this familiar topic. The Nazi leader Hermann Goering warned the American occupation authorities that they stood in danger of repeating the mistakes of his own recently fallen regime. Speaking to the American correspondent (and, by the way, later American Ambassador to Switzerland) Henry Taylor, Goering said,

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Quote: Your America is doing many things in the economic field which we found out caused us so much trouble. You are trying to control peoples' wages and prices – peoples' work. If you do that you must control peoples' lives. And no country can do that part way. I tried and it failed. Nor can any country do it all the way either. I tried that too and it failed. You are no better planners than we. I should think your economists would read what happened here. (p. 5)
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That's worthy of a place alongside those old Rothschild quotes.


I've got a ton of blue cheese to sell fresh in from the moon if anyone's interested.

Henry J. Taylor - Rattlesnake

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[Woods and Hoppe on Hitler's economic policies]

Hitler Was Not a Good Economist

In some anti-Fed, pro-fiat money circles (yes, they exist) you will actually hear defenses of Adolf Hitler’s economic policy, on the grounds that it yielded a super economy for Germany. Germany was engaged in military Keynesianism. These writers mistake this for prosperity. It’s the error people make when they think World War II was a prosperous time for the United States.

Writes economist Albrecht Ritschl:

A critical reassessment of deficit spending during the Nazi recovery reveals a surprisingly small role for macroeconomic policy. Both the descriptive evidence and the results from multivariate time series forecasts suggest that recovery from the Great Depression was mainly driven by a rebound effect that was visible in the data already by late 1932. Up to around 1936, the German recovery was no more advanced than that of Britain or the United States, where far less expansionary fiscal policies were followed. However, even in Germany the fiscal impulse generated by the budget deficit was too small to be consistent with Keynesian demand stimulation under an income/expenditure mechanism. In order to explain the very high, at times two-digit growth rates of GNP during the recovery, deficits would have had to be two to five times higher than they actually were. Apparently, recovery was due to forces other than fiscal and monetary policy, just as in the cases of Britain and the United States. . . .

Nazi recovery appears less spectacular than was hitherto believed. Our results also indicate that government spending was dominated by war preparation already in a very early phase of the Nazi recovery. I find little justification for the popular interpretation that recovery was sparked off by non-military work-creation and the construction of the autobahn network. Investment in the autobahn reached sizable magnitudes only in 1936. All these projects pale in comparison with the rapid build-up of military expenditure, except for the year of 1933 when rearmament had not yet really begun. To secure the desired high speed of war preparation, the Nazi administration took early, often draconian steps to crowd out private demand. The growth in consumer spending fell short of the increase in national product, and the contribution of private investment to the recovery remained unimpressive.

Strict control of private expenditure was partly achieved by maintaining taxation at the high levels reached during the depression years. [Deficit Spending in the Nazi Recovery, 1933-1938: A Critical Reassessment, Institute for Empirical Research in Economics, University of Zurich, pp. 16-17.]


http://www.tomwoods.com/blog/hitler-...ood-economist/
 
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Woods and Hoppe are probably right. In theory. But ask the Germans who lived in both Weimar and the Third Reich. They will probably disagree. And they were there. Woods and Hoppe were not.
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I think the NSDAP were brilliant economists, they turned around a completely FUBAR economy in just a few years, made their population debt free, and their manufacturing industry was revitalized.

Its no surprise that most modern economists would be critical. Its simply not PC to say the "Nazis" did anything right. And I think they can lock you up in Germany for speaking out in support of anything the Nazis did.

If anything we should be looking to do exactly what they did.
 
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After Adolf Hitler passed his Enabling Bill Schacht toured the United States where he made forty speeches, appeared on radio and wrote several articles for American newsletters where he claimed that Hitler would soon return Germany to democracy. He met Franklin D. Roosevelt but made a bad impression on the president who later described him as "extremely arrogant".

In August, 1934, Hitler appointed Schacht as his minister of economics. Deeply influenced by the economic ideas of John Maynard Keynes and Roosevelt's New Deal, Schacht encouraged Hitler to introduce a programme of public works, including the building of the Autobahnen.

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It's a commonly believed big lie that Germany's prosperity was due to military spending, however Germany's recovery is exactly how they were able to afford rearmament. Truly large investments in arms began after German coffers were replenished, in 1938.

Planned economies are the most efficient ways to organize a nations capital, and the key to ethnic defense, the latter being the basis of NS. Socialism has always been the German answer to British laissez faire economic theory, hence why Germany's industrial revolution was far more efficient and less cruel than Britain's (well known for its 8 year old coal miners). The world's first planned economy, under the Japanese Mejii restoration, was a similar success story as NS, employed after years of failed British/Hebrew originated theories of gold standards etc. Socialism was hijacked by Marx and others of his tribe later turned into a globalist abomination that is the spiritual twin of capitalism.

But of course light industry should be left up to free enterprise, as was done in NS. Mixed economies of the EU and America are utter failures due to the banking system, racial problems, and absolute corruption in these times (the economy is just a symptom of something deeper, the J word comes to mind).
 
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It's a commonly believed big lie that Germany's prosperity was due to military spending, however Germany's recovery is exactly how they were able to afford rearmament. Truly large investments in arms began after German coffers were replenished, in 1938.

Planned economies are the most efficient ways to organize a nations capital, and the key to ethnic defense, the latter being the basis of NS. Socialism has always been the German answer to British laissez faire economic theory, hence why Germany's industrial revolution was far more efficient and less cruel than Britain's (well known for its 8 year old coal miners). The world's first planned economy, under the Japanese Mejii restoration, was a similar success story as NS, employed after years of failed British/Hebrew originated theories of gold standards etc. Socialism was hijacked by Marx and others of his tribe later turned into a globalist abomination that is the spiritual twin of capitalism.

But of course light industry should be left up to free enterprise, as was done in NS. Mixed economies of the EU and America are utter failures due to the banking system, racial problems, and absolute corruption in these times (the economy is just a symptom of something deeper, the J word comes to mind).
I don't agree. There's no need to repeat Hitler's economic or his political mistakes.
 
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ON NATIONAL SOCIALISM AND WORLD RELATIONS


SPEECH DELIVERED IN THE GERMAN REICHSTAG ON JANUARY 30TH 1937

by Adolf Hitler

FÜHRER AND CHANCELLOR

http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/hitler1.htm


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THE NATIONAL SOCIALIST ECONOMY WAS NOT DEPENDENT ON GOLD OR INTERNATIONAL PRIVATE BANKS.

~~~ HITLER REVEALS THE TRUE IMPORTANCE OF MONEY, CAPITAL, CURRENCY, LABOR, AND PRODUCTION:

"For the folk-community does not exist on the fictitious value of money but on the results of productive labor, which is what gives money its value.

This production, and not a bank or gold reserve, is the first cover for a currency. And if I increase production I increase the real income of my fellow-citizens. And if I reduce production I reduce that income, no matter what wages are paid out."

"We know that National Socialism vigorously combats the opinion which holds that the economic structure exists for the benefit of capital and that the people are to be looked upon as subject to the economic system. We were therefore determined from the very beginning to exterminate the false notion that the economic system could exist and operate entirely freely and entirely outside of any control or supervision on the part of the State."

Thanks to http://der-fuehrer.org for providing the audio!
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It will come as no surprise to readers of the Mises Daily that price control does not work. But DiLorenzo still manages to come up with an unexpected point about this familiar topic. The Nazi leader Hermann Goering warned the American occupation authorities that they stood in danger of repeating the mistakes of his own recently fallen regime. Speaking to the American correspondent (and, by the way, later American Ambassador to Switzerland) Henry Taylor, Goering said,



http://lewrockwell.com/gordon/gordon101.html

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If you do that you must control peoples' lives.
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How come when you put a certain limit on certain item, in order the price to be low enough so the people may live happy lives and high enough so the manufacturer can have profit, you control peoples' lives?


Also if you control the prices you have to control the wages also, it is inevitable. But from this the whole society wins and prospers. Now some earn millions per year, and others barely make it, they starve, don't go to the hospital, don't buy drugs and generally live a miserable live.



Control of the prices and wages is a key element to the national-socialist system.
 
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Due to the industrialisation after the First World War exchange trading in Berlin increases dramatically. In 1922 a fourth trading floor is gained by roofing the “Summer Exchange” courtyard. At this time the exchange counts 6.082 visitors every day (1913 there were 3.400).

After the currency conversion in 1924 trading becomes less turbulent. Newly founded large concerns like I.G. Farbindustrie and Vereinigte Stahlwerke are the top performers from 1925 on. However, due to a wrong economic and credit policy and due to massive balance of payment difficulties of the state, the stock market collapses on 13 May 1927. The day goes down in history as “Black Friday”. In 1929 the collapse of the New York Stock Exchange precipitates the World Economic Crisis. 1931 a banking crisis in Germany twice leads to the closing of the exchange in Berlin for several months.

From 1933 on the governance of national socialism handicaps the functioning of the exchange. The new rulers carry out an exchange reform in 1934 that redefines the responsibities. Amongst others the exchange supervision is assigned to the Reichswirtschaftsminister (Minister of Economic Affairs). The Commodity Exchange is converted to a Corn Exchange and loses its importance due to planned economy measures. Until 1938 the number of exchange visitors sinks to 455, particularly due to the exclusion of Jewish exchange participants.

On 1 March 1937 the quotation for foreign stocks is halted. The Metal Exchange closes with the beginning of the war in 1939. On 13 February 1943 exchange trading with continuous quotation comes to a halt, shortly afterwards a government act rules that the Reichswirtschaftsminister will be responsible for fixing the prices for securities. The exchange thus loses its economic significance. It stays open in this amputated form until 18 May 1945.

On 3 February 1945 the exchange is heavily damaged and almost completely destroyed in the following hostilities.

The ruin of the exchange building is eroded after the war by order of the East Berlin Magistrate. Today the Burgstraße ends at the Friedrichs-bridge. A promenade along the river Spree leads to the Karl-Liebknecht- Straße. A bronze plate reminds passers by of the location where the exchange once stood.
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With the advancement of Bankhaus Rothschild in Frankfurt to the leading capital intermediary among the European dynasties, the city developed into a centre for international capital with one of the major international stock markets besides London and Paris.
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With the Nazi takeover in 1933, overall economic policy was incorporated into the general government and war policy. Stock exchange supervision was taken away from the states and made the domain of the central government, with the number of stock exchanges reduced from 21 to 9.

The Frankfurt Stock Exchange incorporated the Mannheim Stock Exchange in 1935. The merged institution was called the Rhine-Main Stock Exchange. Although the Frankfurt Stock Exchange continued to function as a "domestic stock exchange", it had, in reality, no major function. Nazi economic controls constricted the development of the free market and stock market trading.

By and large, potential capital assets were only supposed to benefit the war economy and could no longer be invested in larger bonds or shares. The Frankfurt Stock Exchange building was badly damaged during an allied air raid in 1944. Stock exchange meetings could therefore only be held in the cellar rooms of the building.

Following the collapse of the Nazi regime in 1945, the exchange initially remained closed for six months. It was reopened in September 1945 under the protectorate of the US military government as one of the first German stock exchanges.
http://www.boerse-frankfurt.de/en/ba...y/20th+century

http://deutsche-boerse.com/dbg/dispa...-Historie20Jhd
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The four year plan - a move towards government planning of the economy, and a drive towards war readiness:

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The Nazi Party’s second four year plan started in 1936 and continued to 1939. The organisation of the second Four-Year Plan was put in the hands of Hermann Goering. There is little doubt that Goering found it difficult to organise the plan, which was geared towards driving Nazi Germany to an economy that was fully based around the preparation for war. Rearmament was a priority as was ‘Autarky’ – Germany’s ability to have self-sufficiency.

The Four-Year Plan had four priorities:

1. To increase agricultural production.

2. Retrain key sectors of the work force.

3. Government regulation of imports and exports.

4. To achieve self-sufficiency in the production of raw materials.

Certain members of the Nazi Party knew about the Four-Year Plan in August 1936 when there received a copy of Hitler’s ‘Secret Memorandum’. However, the plan was formally announced to the party faithful by Adolf Wagner at the September 1936 party rally at Nuremberg. Wagner read out a proclamation from Hitler:

“I today present the following as the new Four-Year Plan. In four years Germany must be wholly independent of foreign areas in those materials which can be produced in any way through German ability, through our chemical and machine industry, as well as through our mining industry. The re-building of this great German raw material industry will serve to give employment to the masses. The implementation of the plan will take place with National Socialist energy and vigour. But in addition, Germany cannot relinquish the solution of its colonial demands. The right of the German people to live is surely as great as that of other nations. The success of this plan is merely a question of our energy and determination. National Socialists have never recognised the word “Impossible”.

The plan caused problems on a number of fronts.

First, there were those in the Nazi hierarchy who strongly believed that Goering was not the right man to lead such a huge task. Disputes among senior Nazis was not unusual but in this instance Hitler had expressed his full confidence in one of his oldest followers and he was not prepared to change his mind as any such move could have been viewed as a sign of weakness. Therefore, Goering remained in charge of the plan.

A second problem was that the Four-Year Plan was not fully supported by business leaders. They believed that there should be some rearmament but not at the expense of the standard of living in Germany. They wanted this aspect of the economy improved first before wholesale rearmament took place. Hitler was also sympathetic to this but wanted it at the same time as wholesale rearmament. Many believed that the two would not successfully mix. During the war an unknown German general was heard to say that “We are winning the war with washing machines”.

However, regardless of the obvious issues surrounding the Four-Year Plan, Hitler unsurprisingly got his way. Business leaders found that they could not successfully convey their arguments to Goering who by 1936-1937 simply repeated what Hitler stated. This brought him into conflict with Hjalmar Schacht, the Minister of Economics and General Plenipotentiary and resulted in Schacht resigning from his position at Goering’s request. In January 1939, Schacht was also removed from his position as President of the Reichsbank.

The Four-Year Plan was extended into World War Two. To force through success Goering was quite prepared to use slave labour. He later tried to justify ordering the use of what he called “forced labour” at the Nuremberg Trials when he said that he believed that Germany was fighting for its very existence and therefore any measures that could help Germany to survive were, by their very nature, acceptable.
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Some general points on the German economy that blind Hitler-worshippers on places like SF forget:

German poverty compared to other western nations

One often forgotten fact about the economy of Germany at this time period is that the Germans were quite poor people compared to the Americans and Brits. In the 1930s, GDP per capita looked like this:

Clark's (1940) Ranking (53 countries)
of Real Income per Person Occupied, 1925-34

USA 1,381
Canada 1,337
New Zealand 1,202
UK 1,069
Switzerland 1,018
Argentina* 1,000
Australia 980
Netherlands 855
Ireland 707
France 684
Denmark 680
Sweden 653
Uruguay* 650
Germany 646
Belgium 600
Spain* 550
Chile* 550
Norway 539
Austria 511
Czechoslovakia 455
Brazil* 435 Fr.
Greece 397
Finland 380
Philippines* 375
Mexico* 360
Palestine* 360
Hungary 359
Japan 353
Poland 352
Martinique* 350
Latvia 345
Italy 343
Estonia 341
Yugoslavia 330
Egypt* 325
USSR 320
Algiers* 300
South Africa 276

etc. Source: http://www.ggdc.net/maddison/articles/colin_clark.pdf

The average American was twice as rich as the average German. According to a study from the 1870s to 1930s, the average German was a maximum of around 80% as rich as the average Brit. http://www.coll.mpg.de/pdf_dat/2009_18online.pdf

As Adam Tooze showed in his book, Wages of Destruction, in the chapter "Volksgemeinschaft on a budget", the type of comfortable housing that average Americans could afford was out of reach for all but the richest Germans. Many foodstuffs, such as milk, were extraordinarily expensive, as were clothes. Car ownership remained far below the US level.

The deterioration of worker's rights and wages under Hitler

All trade unions were banned and replaced by a government-run "German labour front". The average worker had little voice anymore, and strikes were essentiall outlawed.

Unemployment was 1.8 million in 1928, a Weimar boom year, and officially 0.5 million in 1938. But around 1 million men had become army members, and many more men were unpayed forced laborers for the so-called Arbeitsdienst. Many women, and eventually Jews, were removed from the statistics altogether. The supposed miracle of reducing German unemployment from 6 million to a couple hundred thousand is exaggerated and includes a lot of smoke and mirrors. (See Evans, The Third Reich in Power, for more on this)

The economic recovery was based on expanding corporate profits and rearmanant, not living standard increases for the average Germans. Wage growth remained low and never reached the level of 1928, even though Germans were working very long hours.

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increased from 71 per cent of the 1928 level in 1932 to 90 per cent in 1939.

In real terms, therefore, those in employment had been marginally better off in 1933 than they were in 1939. The workforce received an ever declining proportion of the national income as wages. In 1933, for example, wages amounted to 63 per cent of the national income, while by 1938 they had dropped steadily each year to 57 per cent.
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=q...tively&f=false

Deficit spending under Hitler

Hitler did not make Germany debt or usury free, though he claimed he wanted to. Infact, the German government ran a huge deficit - in 1938-1939, it spent almost twice as much as the revenues it took in.

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=L...it&f=false

The German recovery vs other recoveries

Unemployment reached a peak of over 20% in the US in 1932. Under a fairly similar economic planning system to Hitler, Roosevelt brought this down to just over 5% in 1941.

Britain's economy also grew quite strongly in the later years of the 1930s, not funded as much by massive rearmanant.

http://www.economicshelp.org/blog/74...-in-the-1930s/

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Some general points on the German economy that blind Hitler-worshippers on places like SF forget:

German poverty compared to other western nations

One often forgotten fact about the economy of Germany at this time period is that the Germans were quite poor people compared to the Americans and Brits. In the 1930s, GDP per capita looked like this:

Clark's (1940) Ranking (53 countries)
of Real Income per Person Occupied, 1925-34
From 1925-34? The German economy was absolutely in worse shape than the USA during that time, no doubt about it. You aren't proving anything that wasn't apparent for the time period.

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The average American was twice as rich as the average German. According to a study from the 1870s to 1930s, the average German was a maximum of around 80% as rich as the average Brit. http://www.coll.mpg.de/pdf_dat/2009_18online.pdf
That wouldn't have anything to do with international jewish parasites pillaging Germany, now would it? Sure, one could make the case the same is true for the USA and Britain, but Germany has traditionally been the biggest whipping boy for exploitation by jews. WW1 and WW2 in reality were about keeping the Germans from gaining an economic position to be able to challenge Britain and the USA. Germans when motivated by strong leadership are among the best, bravest, most innovated people.

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The deterioration of worker's rights and wages under Hitler

All trade unions were banned and replaced by a government-run "German labour front". The average worker had little voice anymore, and strikes were essentiall outlawed.
Unions, just like in the USA during those times were a front for Communism. Their elimination was 100% justified. This wasn't no fucking Democracy.

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Unemployment was 1.8 million in 1928, a Weimar boom year, and officially 0.5 million in 1938. But around 1 million men had become army members, and many more men were unpayed forced laborers for the so-called Arbeitsdienst. Many women, and eventually Jews, were removed from the statistics altogether. The supposed miracle of reducing German unemployment from 6 million to a couple hundred thousand is exaggerated and includes a lot of smoke and mirrors. (See Evans, The Third Reich in Power, for more on this)
Wherever you quoted that from wasn't from a neutral source, and as far as I'm concerned mainstream publications about Germany aren't worth a shit, any more than a book about holohoax ™.

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This magnificent second volume of Richard J. Evans's three-volume history of Nazi Germany was hailed by Benjamin Schwartz of the Atlantic Monthly as "the definitive English-language account... gripping and precise."

The Reichsarbeitsdienst wasn't that much different from FDR's massive public works projects in the same way that it employed millions of starving citizens, and gave them food, shelter, and a purpose. Slave labor my ass. That is just a way of twisting the facts and playing word games for a political agenda. Which in this case is clearly biased against Germany. Its a load of hog wash, and complete damage control to explain off why Germany had a lower unemployment rate by using terms like "forced labor" which was complete and utter bullshit.

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The economic recovery was based on expanding corporate profits and rearmanant, not living standard increases for the average Germans. Wage growth remained low and never reached the level of 1928, even though Germans were working very long hours.
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Pay may have increased relative to the year 1933 but there was no return to 1928: indeed the percentages for 1933 and 1939 were 77 per cent and 89 per cent respectively
So pay increased under the NSDAP is what they're saying? So the criticism is that they're weren't just able to snap their fingers and solve it immediately? The fact is that efforts were made to improve the situation of the worker, and I believe they did the best they could. Wages, and relative cost of living improving over time is what they promised, and they pretty much delivered that unlike what our lying ass governments today are telling us when they say the economy is booming while wages are stagnant, and cost of living is only going up.


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Deficit spending under Hitler

Hitler did not make Germany debt or usury free, though he claimed he wanted to. Infact, the German government ran a huge deficit - in 1938-1939, it spent almost twice as much as the revenues it took in.
The money was borrowed from the German people, not international kike banking rackets like where the USA and Britain got their funds from. Show me a nation capable of fighting a war without running a deficit.

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The German recovery vs other recoveries

Unemployment reached a peak of over 20% in the US in 1932. Under a fairly similar economic planning system to Hitler, Roosevelt brought this down to just over 5% in 1941.
But Roosevelt did this by having forced labor programs, and by drafting millions of soldiers - you see what I did there?

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