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Old April 1st, 2008 #1
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33Steve Miller

I don’t think paleconservatives have any answers, to be frank. The underlying view of their leaders, granted, possibly one they adopt out of fear of the jews denying them whatever crumbs they enjoy, seems to be that with enough Christianity and welfare-state tinkering we can turn the average black into something worth living next door to. History emphatically rebuts that conceit.

Conservatism either starts with race or it is nothing; nothing but empty flag-waving of the Fox fools and whining for lower taxes.

There’s a fascinating world out there that is going entirely uncovered by even the paleo coservatives. There is proof, for example, that White men came to the Americas first. Imagine what could be done with that fact in the hands of men bent on making changes. But all I see from conervatives is defensiveness, crabbedness, eternal rearguard actions, whining - losing.

I think paleoconservatives really believe: to win is to sin, to make a phrase of it.

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14Thomas Michaels

It speaks volumes about Chronicles’ pseudo-conservatism that fact-based racial arguments are deleted where neo-Boasian bilge about culture is allowed to stand.

Detroit was destroyed because blacks are incapapable of building or sustaining civilization. Once they become the majority, bankruptcy and decline into shutters, broken windows and weeds becomes inevitable.

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7Steve Miller

Blah, blah, blah. Cut the charade. Blacks aren’t ready for prime time, they’re still on primate time. The only solution is complete physical and political

separation. We all know it. Why are we afraid to say it? There’s one answer: the country is controlled by jews, and they keep pushing us back in with the

blacks until they kill and rape us all. Which is exactly what is going on in Zimbabwe and South Africa today. We Whites are under literally genocidal

assault, and the fact the race war is carefully kept out of the jew-owned media called mainstream doesn’t change that.
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on 02 Apr 2008 at 4:01 pm8Tim Dunleavy

Lowry can say it with a straight face because he’s a Jew. It’s only white fools who think conservative or liberal are anything more than masks for Jews to

hide behind as they lecture and mulct the posterity of the people who actually built the country.
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on 02 Apr 2008 at 4:03 pm9Mike Harkin

Blacks are the cause of racism, just as jews are the cause of anti-semitism. Whites aren’t guilt of anything but being colossal sucker easily swayed from

their natural, normal and healthy reactions.
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on 02 Apr 2008 at 4:09 pm10Mark Owen

If any attempt to notice trends and patterns of behavior among a specific group of people (in this case inner city blacks) is considered racist, then anyone

on this planet with two eyes and ears will eventually be branded as such.

Racist =white, just as anti-semite = non-jew. It’s just a verbal game they play to intimidate Whites. There is only one way to escape from the box, and that

is to make White identity the starting point of our politics. The conservatives shrink from this because they are cowards. But it is the only way that can

work.

In fact, degeneration has gone so far that people are leery of drawing any general conclusion whatsoever. They have been trained that using reason or seeing

patterns are in some way dirty, and so they are quick to spout “I know some who aren’t like that,” if you point out blacks’ proclivity for violent crime.

They really appear to believe that the anecdote outweighs the general truth. This is a direct result of dumbed-down education, which is succeeding in

producing precisely the type of Semitically Correct (Sobran’s twist) man-robot it was set up to.
 
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17 Censorship Foe

Lowry is a jew. As with every jew, it is the most significant thing about him.

Jew Lowry believes in physical segregation (apartheid) to protect his Israeli blood brothers, and at the same time he believes in forced integration of your family with black savages. This passes for conservatism these days. Jews control the media, whether directly through ownership, as is the case with most of the MSM, or indirectly through fear, as is the case at Takimag and Chronicles.

Both Takimag and Chronicles allow a jew troll to recite bales of Boasian balderdash, and promote its site, while deleting any comment that hints at the reality of race.

Keep mocking NR, which is simply jews doing what’s good for jews, but the real mockery ought to be aimed at the cowardice of this site’s operators, who do their level best to prevent the facts about jews and race from becoming known by men who might use them to change things.
 
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all the jew haters here say they have shown “proof” of their conspiracies, yet all they ever do is throw accusations and name-calling without any damn

evidence!

for example the above 2 stories are not much “proof” since they do not even mention what those individuals have been arrested for. The stories say some

people were charged with racial incitement/hatred but nothing else is mentioned.

Posted by jerry on Apr 03, 2008.


‘Hate’ and ‘racism’ are two bogus concepts. Both trace back to jews: Magnus Hirschfeld and the ADL.

The jew handling Takimag, Gottfried, uses the same terminology. Anyone who describes jewish belief and behavior accurately will be tarred as a hater. It has

no objective meaning beyond: here is White we jews must destroy.

Wake up, people. It’s later than you think. Gottfried is not your friend, he is your enemy.

Porn, civil rights, foreign wars, open borders - all these and every other misery in America traces directly to Big Jew.

Posted by Mike Sloane on Apr 03, 2008.



Paul Gottfried calls for banning those who think Jews are the cause of all or most of the world’s evils and who believe in conspiracy theories similar to

those of Rev. Jeremiah Wright and his ilk, and Zmirak says “amen” and “bravo” and calls for banning anyone for criticizes blacks as a group and tells the

truth about black intelligence, black crime, black-on-white violence, etc., and Barack Obama’s “spiritual mentor” and his “Afrocentric,” white-hating,

“Goddamm America” church and all that this reveals about “African Americans.” And also, I assume, anyone who opposes massive Third-World immigration for

explicitly racial reasons -albeit leftists, liberals, neocons, and many libertarians support such immigration for explicitly racial reasons.

Yes, millions of blacks and “Hispanics” would rally to the “paleocon” cause if only they suppressed the free speech of those who tell the truth about blacks

and massive nonwhite immigration.

Posted by SK on Apr 03, 2008.


Richard, Will you please quit bottle-assing all over this perfectly fine blog?

A registered comments policy is a sign of weakness a’la the Bushbloggers recent flop sweat-soaked deletions and bannination surges of late. It shouts Turtle

Time! Elicits laughs, eye rolling and loss of traffic.

Also, registered comment threads are like eavesdropping on Marcus Welby’s waiting room. Soon, the Regulars start saying “Hi!” to each other! Echhhh!

Just slip a wizened old retired lady twenty bucks to do any sweeping that you feel is beneath you. She might do it just for the exercise!

Monitored (delayed) posting is just as bad. Attracts the bored and boring. (Those who MUST comment dammit.)

Long-short: you’re slipping into Ensign Pulver-hood.

Posted by bryanD on Apr 03, 2008.


As for Canada and the jewish connection, quit being lazy and do some work. The jews use as a catspaw a faggot named Richard Warman. He files complaints

against Whites trying to defend their people against jew-sponsored Third World inundation of Canada. The jew-controlled Human Rights (sic) tribunals then

convict these brave Whites of hate crimes, and send them to prison or fine them.

The ONLY reason the jew-owned papers in Canada are even looking into this garbage now is because some of the Muslim diversity jewish immigration ministers

have admitted are using the ‘hate’ laws jews set up to go after jew writers Steyn and Levant.

Jews don’t give a damn for free speech. To jews, free speech means their right to abuse others. But it never means your right to describe what they are doing

in objective terms. Hell, you cant even do that here at Takimag, just another liberal rag, but Taki is afraid of what the jews can do to him if he allows

genuine debate. So he allows the handler, jew Paul Gottfried, to censor any criticism of jews.

You vaunt your manliness, Talki. Why don’t you exercise it and rid your house of the jewish louse?
Posted by Mike Sloane on Apr 03, 2008.





How pathetic is it that every last conservative ratbag blog on the net prominently links to this site:

Musings of a Black Conservative

Pathetically groveling to win jewish favor. “No racists here, boss!”

Curs, curs, curs, as far as the eye can see.

Paleconservative is just a fancy word for coward.
Posted by Mark Brooks on Apr 03, 2008.


I forgot to say, what makes it particularly pathetic, this uber-linking to the nigsite, is that THE SITE IS NEVER UPDATED. It’s all about looking spiffy for

Boss Jew.

Takimag, like Chronicles and The American Conservative, is written and edited by cowards for dupes.

Real politics is jew vs White.

The jews are using the minorities that are 92% of the world’s population to kill off our race.

That’s the political bottom line, whether we can say it here or not.
Posted by Mark Brooks on Apr 03, 2008.
 
Old July 2nd, 2008 #5
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Thomas Fleming attacks Samuel Francis!

Now Fleming attacks Samuel Francis, just when you think someone cannot go any lower… It amusing the Thomas Fleming had Samuel Francis write the article on race relations for the “What is Paleoconservatism?” symposium a few years back.

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More silliness from the paleocons here, who will write until the cows come home to parse the fine meaning of words. Throughout this piece, Fleming tries to score points against his benighted brethren by calling them bigots, racists, xenophobes, and anti-Semites. Hey, I resemble that remark! At comment 62, he writes, “When I hear young ‘conservatives’ prating about their race or nation, I have to remind myself they are young, marginalized, emasculate young males who will never grow into manhood. It is our greatest national tragedy. Nonetheless, as much as one might pity them – and I do – they have to be prevented from infecting our discourse.” Yes, our people would be groveling before their conquerors if not for the high-falutin’ discourse of egghead professors. Fleming’s charm is matched only by the incoherence of Clyde Wilson, who chimes in with this: “’White separatism’ is not separatism at all, or even a form of nationalism. but merely an imaginary, substitute form of militant American nationalism.” Fleming adds: “But to a true nationalist or racialist, a son who marries a girl from the wrong race or nation becomes an outcast and his children not members of the family. That is what it means to put ideology above life. Naturally, a sane man wants his grandchildren to look like, act like, and think like his grandparents, but we do not always get everything we want. The question is: What are our priorities. To someone who truly believes in kinship, that is a higher priority than race or nationalism.” He goes on to say that racialism is “stupid materialist reductionism” on the order of “the cowardly liberal fusionists of National Review.” After someone named Frank tries to inject some common sense into the debate, Fleming retorts (in comment 94) that “a priori racialist assumptions” are irrational and objectionable, “just as I object to communist or premillenialist assumptions being put on the table as truths.” He then says that “white racial consciousness” is insane. Frank replies, “It’s perplexing that you continue to identify racial identity with hate.” Then Fleming ends by saying that his friend Sam Francis was wrong to be a racial nationalist, for pessimism is our only hope. I’m trying to remember why I no longer subscribe to Chronicles.

http://spiritwaterblood.com/index.php/comments/154/

http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/?p=603

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Thomas Fleming makes a fool of myself yet again...
http://www.originaldissent.com/forum...ead.php?t=5738

http://www.originaldissent.com/forum...7417#post37417
 
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good stuff, mike. i'm merging threads to keep the takimag and chronicles stuff in one thread for easy reference. at some point it might be good to make one specific thread, sticked, as an archive for what the different non-jew paleoconservatives have said about race.
 
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From thread above (at Chronicles)

60Disgruntled Former Employee

“If the more wholesome elements of the right get taken over by strutting and chattering racial nationalists and jingoists, then the whole thing is a waste of time.”

“In a nutshell. Now the question is, How is such a takeover to be resisted?”

“Alexander would know: you’ll need to force us to intermarry to retain your empire.”

First, I ask honestly, what is there to take over?

Second, this impulse to force compliance is implicit in most anti-racism and needful for the success of the anti-racist project. The doctrine of aracial nationalism known as multi-culturalism is used to attack and pillory patriots worldwide. Indeed, the anti-racist is the most willing handmaiden of the state. Without mamoth state intervention in their affairs most of the “strutting and chattering” white nationalists would mind their own business and exercise free association. Horrors! In case you hadn’t noticed, torch lit rallies and book burnings don’t have much of a draw these days. It is absurd to suggest that we risk the imposition of an iron state from “the right”. Remember we already have a bloated, intrusive state dedicated to routing out the shattered remnants of whatever organic community it has yet to lay hands on. Ironic that the largest concern of some self styled conservatives is that this process should be completed.

The fact that conservatives of any stripe seem to either disapprove of separatist attitudes or seek to actively frustrate them has always struck me as odd. I understand that most of the lumpen proles that openly proclaim such beliefs do so inelegantly. That being said support for free association shouldn’t be a stretch for conservatives. Let me be clear, the failure of the “respectable right” to grasp the nettle of race in meaningful terms has been the root of its undoing. It has conserved nothing and neutered its popular appeal by rejecting in ever more concrete terms the legitimate concerns of natural allies beset by a menacing state.
 
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2andy

Enough BS. Time to tell the truth:

http://www.revilo-oliver.com/rpo/wwoop.htm

Btw, one of the main reasons (if not THE main reason) for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan is to bleed the white Americans even whiter than they already are, both physically and financially.

[...]

5D Simmons

Dear Mr. Wilder are you more upset with the post about a former editor of NR or the NYT’s allowing a crackpot religious bigot from Israel use its pages to clamor for a nuclear strike against Iran?

[...]

[Fleming on Revilo Oliver]

10TJF

Poor Revilo Oliver, a man in many respects so admirable but who fell into the Nietzschean trap. He did decent work as a classical scholar and never failed in courage; he understood the shoddiness of the conservatives with whom he collaborated but sank to the level of hanging out first with the candy butcher and his stooges and then to the pathetic cranks who have only one thing to be proud of, their skin color. I have never known which came first, in Oliver’s case, his hatred of Jews or his hatred of Christians. I honor the man’s brilliance and courage, though I cannot help thinking he was quite mad. The saddest part of his personal tragedy is that his memory is now kept alive by pathetic losers. The madness of this man who might have been great is a genuine American tragedy, one that illustrates the sickness of our country. It would have been better to have taken a vow of silence 30 years before his death.

11D Simmons

You cannot replace man with your words. Your institutions lie in rot and yet you propose a new wording to yet try again to reform that which consumes your birthright. You wish to deny your race that is fine it is your choice after all, but if you think you can take your new words and join “mankind” good luck with that. Because it seems those you choose over your race choose their race over yours. Ask them instead of playing the nazi card. Do you wish to immolate yourself to prove Benny Morris wrong? How self centered.

[...]

17D Simmons

And this outfit gave Respail an award, better take that back for his racialist demagogery about “demythification” and other unpleasant descriptions written about christians throwing away their birthright. Personally I don’t blame TJF for distancing his institution from Stormfront, TRI being perpetually on the financial rocks it certainly must remain respectable for old widows to feel comfortable in leaving it in their wills. Otherwise some mega church scoundrel will move in and make better promises that eases the worries of those nice people. I say this as a 12 year subscriber with no intentions of cancelling, even after such silly stunts as the Sam Francis show trial episode. As for Stormfront it is the flipside to the TRI coin in one respect it is all about defeat and who to blame.

As for the WOT Pat is on the right track, ceaseless critique thru ceaseless inquiry.


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He did decent work as a classical scholar and never failed in courage; he understood the shoddiness of the conservatives with whom he collaborated but sank to the level of hanging out first with the candy butcher and his stooges and then to the pathetic cranks who have only one thing to be proud of, their skin color.
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Fleming's no different from the leftists, when you get down to it. Race is all about skin color, and racists are character defectives. If he were a man, he's quote what Oliver said about jews and their control of our nation, but Fleming doesn't dare do that because he has no answer to Oliver's words. The difference between Oliver and Fleming is that while they're both classical scholars, Oliver dared to tell the whole truth about what happened to our nation over the course of the 20th century whereas Fleming sticks to the Semitically Correct line for fear of his income. Fleming's a coward who plays his cowardice as maturity. The world has simply gone around the paleocons, and they resent it. They're left stranded clutching their vanity magazines, desperately trying to stay in the game by allowing just enough racial commentary on their pages to attract eyeballs but not enough to get the jews to put them on the hate list.
 
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Beautiful.
Yes, that was a beautiful line from that fellow, whoever he is. It's funny to see the faileocons twist in knots avoiding the simple, obvious fact that you can't defend your family and culture without defending your race. They're simply cowards who can't even admit to themselves their position is intellectually untenable and dictated by the jews who can cut off their funding by labeling them haters.
 
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Here is Fleming's solution:

“Believe me, things are going to get much much worse, and all we can do is to do what the early Christians did: lead the best lives we can, form little communities of faith and civility, and spread the word.”

That's all we can do. Not resist. Not fight. Not win. Just hunker down and give in to the superior power. Fleming's got his, after all, and that's what it's all about. If you're unhappy, young white man, with being legally discriminated against and mocked without cease in the mass media, his message to you is to stop whining. Conservatism, as exemplified by Tom Fleming, is self-interested cowardice.
 
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Fleming, like John Zmirak, never addresses racialist arguments. Instead, like the other leftists, he characterizes racialists and their arguments. He says they are defectives driven by hate. This obviates consideration of the evidence they adduce, and helps scare his sheep back on the plantation.
 
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Just hunker down and give in to the superior power.
In wrestling terms, the faileos are "jobbers." They don't even try to win. Their role is to put on a convincing show for people who don't know better, to make their opponents look good and to come home safe. Then they congratulate themselves for being more sophisticated than those who take the show more seriously than it merits.
 
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In wrestling terms, the faileos are "jobbers." They don't even try to win. Their role is to put on a convincing show for people who don't know better, to make their opponents look good and to come home safe. Then they congratulate themselves for being more sophisticated than those who take the show more seriously than it merits.
Excellent!

I'm going to use this, thanks, Mike!
 
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The following is the first in a series of translations of Chronicles articles into Spanish, as part of our outreach to the Spanish-speaking world.
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The good news is that perhaps more than 85% of the US population is against immigration. Not only are genuine conservatives such as Clyde Wilson, Paul Craig Roberts, Patrick Buchanan, and Joseph Sobran completely against it, but even neocon talk show hosts such as Sean Hannity are against as well as a majority of the Left.

Immigration is a litmus test between the mainstream Left and the radical Left.

Since Tom Fleming has come out of the closet as a radical assimilationist in full support of the invasion, this puts him in company with the radical left.

Tom cannot remove what he has already posted. He has published an article in Spanish which he indicates is for the exclusive benefit of the criminal aliens. He openly admits that the genocidal invasion is a good thing and compares it with Greece and Rome.

He even uses Lincolnian arguments of the propositional state to back himself up.

Tom Fleming is a radical Leftist.

I call for his immediate resignation from Chronicles and his shunning by the conservative movement.
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25TJF

I don’t recall inviting PcH to address me by my first name, and it is unlikely that I would give such permission to an obvious liar who refuses to follow an argument. I do not recommend any plan because I regard the ethnic situation–like the cultural, moral, and spiritual situations–in this country as beyond all hope of remedy. I am shutting down this discussion but I will post some or all of my contribution to our book on immigration on this site.

My basic argument in that book is: 1) when two peoples coexist in the same habitat or nation, it is more likely that they will influence each other than that one will force the other to assimilate. 2) Creative assimilation can take place but only when one culture is more advanced and more assured than the other. In the case of the USA, the Mexicans have a deeper sense of identity than Americans who long ago embarked on a process of self-destruction, as evinced by the civil rights revolution, multi-culturalism, anti-Christianism, and open immigration. The problem does not lie in poor Mexicans who come here seeking jobs, welfare, and opportunities for criminal behavior, but in ourselves that we are so weak, stupid, and suicidal.

It is pointless to recommend policies to a nation bent on self-destruction, but a process of expulsion and/or separation would not be at all impossible. The process would take place in 1) enforcing existing laws rigorously and passing stiffer laws with very stiff quotas and restrictions, 2) a steady push of illegals out of their havens outside the SW and a no-nonsense policy of expelling every alien, legal or not, who is convicted of a felony. 3) a plan to take back, city by city and state by state, the regions of the US and, if the whole is impossible, then cut off Mexified states from the Union. But why go on? No one in a leadership position in either party is willing to entertain, even for a minute, the end of existing policies that punish European-Americans and demonize their heritage. Whining does not get you anywhere nor does shouting “radical” slogans at the top of your lungs. To the extent that we here at the magazine have the resources to do anything, it is to educate some younger Americans into what they have been deprived of and to expose the logic that makes them victims. Any call to direct action, when the overwhelming majority of the population is opposed, is tantamount to terrorism. The end.

[As cons always do, he calls murder suicide. The facts are with his critic: the "overwhelming majority" does NOT want open borders. The crux of the matter is why the majority will goes unrepresented while the minority agenda is carried out. God forbid anyone fight back, that is "terrorism."]
 
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Tell Me It Ain’t So

by Clyde N. Wilson

The federal government has been morphing into an authoritarian state for some time now—uninterruptedly.

Two things stand in the way of the consummation of American dictatorship (in fact if not in name). Certainly not elections, which are predetermined. Certainly not the complicit Republican Party and Big Business and mainstream churches. Certainly not the cowed press and military.

The first barrier to the total state is freedom of speech. Though everywhere threatened, freedom of speech and publication still flourishes in the U.S. to an extent remarkable in today’s world. This makes criticism of government policies and disobedience to rulers possible, as in the recent grassroots defeat of the illegal alien “amnesty.” Second, a large part of the American population is armed, something always frightening to rulers. Our rulers aren’t worried about criminals, jihadists, or Mexican fifth columnists, but armed Americans frighten them. Is there any doubt that the government already has in place arrangements for detention camps for recalcitrants?

Underlying these two factors is a fundamental condition. Freedom of speech and an armed citizenry are still valued by an indeterminate but very large part of the population—generally people who think the country should belong to those who made it rather than to the government and whatever alien population the government chooses to import. That is to say the obstacle is a portion of the population that is still actually American.

Given the recent elections, we can expect soon hate crime legislation that will punish any honest discussion of public policy in regard to minority groups. This legislation can be infinitely expanded in interpretation—for instance, an American who harms a minority criminal while defending himself may be guilty of a hate crime. American law enforcement is already federalised and militarised and a massive gun seizure can easily be imagined. It won’t be easy or a complete success but will provide an excuse for further regimentation of the “citizens.”

You can bet that these policies for “fairness” and “safety” now stand a strong chance of implementation. All the institutions of respectability and a considerable part of the populace can be expected to rally around them, including the Republican Party. There will be a scattering of no votes in Congress from a few sincere old Democratic civil libertarians.

Tell me where I am wrong. Please.

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Fleming on race:

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26 Comment by TJF on 13 May 2009:

The first problem in posing questions in terms of White People is that Whiteness is an abstraction. For example, many South Italians are comparatively dark, while Swedes are achingly White, but, although I have several Swedish and Swedish American friends, I am more comfortable in the company of Sicilians. There are African and partly-African Americans who are more “White” in the sense of being civilized and Christian than 95% of the Whites in Rockford. The second is that Whiteness tends to be a negative category, that is, it is defined in terms of not being black or brown rather than in terms of being something good. At this point in my life I am not much interested in making alliances with Meth freaks, child molesters, school shooters, neoconservatives, or wife swappers, simply because they have white skin and blue eyes. The Church is open to all human beings and so is the possibility of being civilized, while racialist and nationalist ideologies are not only close-minded but they are part of Jacobin leftism. If we could just go back to the good things our ancestors had, train our minds and cultivate a good life, we would not have to worry so much about skin tone or hair texture. White people per se did not create our civilization. Greeks, Romans, Germans, and Celts and the nations of Europe they spawned did.
 
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He is mixing neoconservatives in with the rest of the laundry list of losers. Now, does he not know that that's a largely non-white bunch? Somebody, give Flem. a call and wise him up.
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