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Old August 14th, 2012 #1
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What's behind the latest Israeli media frenzy on Iran?

Israeli media outlets were buzzing this weekend about the possibility of a preemptive Israeli strike on Iran. Was there a policy change driving the attention?

By Arthur Bright, Correspondent / August 14, 2012

Israeli media speculation that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu plans to launch a preemptive attack against Iran kicked into high gear over the weekend. But the frenzy seems to lack any basis in changes on the ground in Iran, and may simply be an effort to win over a skeptical Israeli public.

Israel has been warily eying Iran's nuclear program for many months, even as Western sanctions against Iran continue to bleed it of oil revenues. But over the weekend, speculation in the Israeli media about an imminent Israeli attack on Iran reached a fever pitch. "[I]t was two articles last Friday that kicked off the current storm," reports the Guardian.

Writing in Israel's biggest-selling daily, Yedioth Ahronoth, Nahum Barnea and Simon Shiffer, both respected commentators, said: "Insofar as it depends on [Prime Minister] Binyamin Netanyahu and [Defense Minister] Ehud Barak, an Israeli military strike on the nuclear facilities in Iran will take place in these coming autumn months, before the US elections in November."

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Barak is also widely assumed to be the "decision maker", the anonymous key figure whose views were spread over two pages of Haaretz's weekend magazine on Friday. This thinly disguised figure said that time was running out to act against the Iranian nuclear program, and the "immunity zone" – the point when key components of the program are beyond reach in deep bunkers – was approaching.

Time notes that two other Israeli newspapers echoed those sentiments in their own headlines.

Maariv informed us in its banner headline that 37 percent of the Israeli public believes that “If Iran gets the bomb, it might result in a second Holocaust.” And Yisrael Hayom said: “Iran significantly speeds up its progress toward the bomb.” The following day, the latter paper included a headline claiming that, according to Israeli TV, a “Decision by Netanyahu and Barak to strike Iran is almost final.”

Mr. Netanyahu and his cabinet also spoke out strongly on Aug. 12 against the perceived threat of Iran's nuclear program. The Associated Press reports that Netanyahu told his cabinet, "All threats directed at the Israeli home front are dwarfed by another threat, different in its magnitude and substance, and so I have repeated and shall repeat: Iran must not be allowed to obtain nuclear weapons."

And Israeli Deputy Foreign Minister Danny Ayalon called on the United Nations Security Council's permanent members and Germany, known collectively as the P5+1, to declare that talks to negotiate an end to Iran's uranium enrichment "have failed," reports The New York Times. Such a declaration will make “clear that all options are on the table,” including a military strike, he said.

But despite the common alarm in the Israeli media over the perceived Iranian threat, it isn't clear that any real event or new information has precipitated the recent flurry of articles. In an op-ed for Israeli newspaper Maariv (and translated from Hebrew by Al-Monitor), Ben Caspit writes that "You can all relax – in the last two weeks, nothing new has happened with regard to an attack on Iran. The cabinet hasn’t convened, the defense minister hasn’t summoned the IDF general staff and no new information has been received. Everything that is known today was known two months ago."

Ynet News reports that Netanyahu's predecessor, Ehud Olmert, accused Israeli government officials of "stirring up overblown drama."

During a meeting with students at Ono Academic College, Olmert said that "the current situation does not require Israeli military action – now or in the near future."

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Referring to the public discussion surrounding a potential military strike in Iran, the former PM admitted that he was very worried by recent newspaper headlines. "This issue inflicts massive public damage to Israel. I live among my people; I hear and see the anxiety on the faces of the citizens. This does not contribute anything to our ability to deal with the Iranian threat. (On the contrary) It only makes it harder."

The Associated Press adds that "All of Israel's recently retired security chiefs oppose an attack, and several have come out swinging against Barak and Netanyahu personally. It's a shocking public rift between the political and defense establishments." Some experts speculate that it is the military's distrust of Netanyahu that has spurred the prime minister to take his case to the public in an effort to build up a bulwark of support for his policy on Iran.

"They're doing it because they want partners to the decision, because they understand it's a very dangerous risk," he said. But he added that the discussion may serve the public good: "You have a situation that is so complicated and so dangerous, that in a democratic society, you might need a debate over whether to do it because so much hangs in the balance."

But Netanyahu doesn't appear to have much support in the media either, despite the flurry of headlines this weekend. Haaretz writes that "during the past week alone, Netanyahu personally called two writers – one Israeli and the other American – and praised them for the articles they wrote on the Iranian issue." Haaretz reporter Barak Ravid writes:

Other than his “home newspaper,” Yisrael Hayom, most of the media in Israel, Europe and the United States have expressed their opposition to an attack on Iran. In such an atmosphere, it’s no wonder that Netanyahu regards any article that doesn’t totally rule out a unilateral Israeli attack on Iran as precious and even makes a point of expressing his satisfaction to the writer.

http://www.csmonitor.com/World/terro...frenzy-on-Iran
 
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Fred is correct on the other Izzie/iran thread ,as long as Israel is whining about Iran and sabre rattling nothing will happen.
They know they don't have the capability to attack Iran, they are also unwilling to show themselves incapable to the rest of the world. Should they launch an attack the jew owned MSM will surely want to cover the story in anticipation of yet another kike legend in the making, when jew jets start hitting the dirt,(and they most certainly will) the legend will go up in smoke.
The IDF has been nothing but a big lie from the beginning, based on aggrssive hostilities against peoples that have no real capabilities of defending themselves against air assaults, much like our own government.
The last enemy the US fought that actually took a very real toll was Vietnam, and this was just a glorified 3rd world military armed with soviet gear.
The Izzies don't have the guts, I do want to see them try however, I predict it will be an almost comical outcome.
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Families of Iran's murdered nuclear scientists sue Israel, US and Britain

Judiciary asked to pursue complaint through international bodies in attempt to bring killers of five scientists to justice



The families of murdered Iranian nuclear scientists have filed a lawsuit against Israel, the US and Britain, accusing them of involvement in the assassination of their loved ones.

Rahim Ahmadi Roshan, whose son, Mostafa Ahmadi Roshan, a chemistry expert and director of the Natanz uranium enrichment facility, was killed in a bomb attack in January, told a press conference in Tehran that the families have asked Iran's judiciary to pursue their complaint through international bodies and bring those behind the killings to justice.

"We've filed an indictment against the Zionist regime and the arrogant powers," Roshan said. The judiciary "is to pursue this case with the relevant international bodies", he added.

Iran's state television broadcast purported confessions this month by 14 suspects in connection with the killing of five nuclear scientists since 2010.

The channel also showed pictures from a military barracks it said was a training camp outside Tel Aviv in Israel. It said the suspects took courses there, including on how to place magnetic bombs on cars – the method used in the killing of the scientists.

The suspects also acknowledged in the purported confessions that they received training in Israel.

Iran says the attacks are part of a covert campaign by Israel and the west to sabotage its nuclear programme, which the US and its allies suspect is aimed at producing nuclear weapons. Iran denies that.

Iran has blamed the Mossad as well as the CIA and MI6 for the assassinations, with support from some of Iran's neighbours. The US and Britain have denied involvement in the killings. Israel has not commented.

"Through this complaint, we declare to the world that actions of arrogant governments, led by the US, Britain and the occupying Zionist regime, in assassinating nuclear scientists and elites is against human principles," according to a statement read out by Mansoureh Karami, the wife of the murdered Tehran University physics professor, Masoud Ali Mohammadi.

"While filing our complaint and announcing our protest, we resolutely declare that not only will such disgraceful acts not prevent the advancement of the children of this land in science, it will cause them to take more effective steps with greater determination," she said.

In May, Iran hanged Majid Jamali Fashi, 24, for the 2010 killing of Ali Mohammadi. Fashi, who said in televised confessions that he had been recruited by the Mossad, was convicted last August.

Officials say the campaign against Iran includes the abduction of Iranian scientists, the sale of faulty equipment and the planting of a destructive computer worm known as Stuxnet, which briefly brought Iran's uranium enrichment activity to a halt in 2010.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012...?newsfeed=true

Iran signed the Non-Proliferation Treaty. It has the right, under that treaty, to develop nuclear energy for peaceful uses. This is cut and dried. But no one in the US government is interested in Iran's rights, because they are cowardly toads beholden to jews who haven't signed the treaty, haven't allowed inspections, and murder anyone they fear without ever getting any criticism for it. We await the first White American to express guilt over these heinous, illgeal and unwarranted murders. Murders carried out by a partner we fund to the tune of billions of dollars a year. 'White guilt' is a theory promoted by those afraid to speak honestly about jews.

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We await the first White American to express guilt over these heinous, illgeal and unwarranted murders. Murders carried out by a partner we fund to the tune of billions of dollars a year. 'White guilt' is a theory promoted by those afraid to speak honestly about jews.
White Americans are not at fault and should express no guilt over the acts of kike terrorists. Whites want and deserve an accounting from the kikes, for the needless death and destruction caused the world by these slimy and evil kike murderers.

Hey kikes! The world knows what you are, and sooner than later, your bill will be collected. Your tribes will be hunted down and the debt you owe us will be collected.
 
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White Americans are not at fault and should express no guilt over the acts of kike terrorists. Whites want and deserve an accounting from the kikes, for the needless death and destruction caused the world by these slimy and evil kike murderers.
My point is that all these ass-clowns are claiming that liberalism and white guilt are responsible for our situation, rather than jews. They are wrong. I am pointing out ever situation that pops up where whites reasonably could feel guilt but don't. This is one of them. According to christ-cranks, murder is wrong. That's one of the Commandments. Yet they serving as accessories to murder by abetting Israel. Not one peep of objection from white christ cranks.

White guilt is the theory that doesn't explain anything. White guilt is nothing but biological conformism to perceived authority by another name.
 
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Israel’s outgoing civil defense chief predicts monthlong war, 500 dead after strike on Iran

Associated Press, August 15, 2012

JERUSALEM — An Israeli attack on Iran’s nuclear program could trigger a bloody monthlong war on multiple fronts, killing hundreds of Israelis or more, the Israeli Cabinet’s civil defense chief warned in an interview published Wednesday.

It was the most explicit assessment yet of how the government sees events unfolding in the aftermath of an Israeli attack.

Matan Vilnai, who is stepping down as the “home front” Cabinet minister to become Israel’s ambassador to China, described the scenarios to Israel’s Maariv daily at a time of heightened debate about the Iranian nuclear threat.

Vilnai, a retired general who was deputy military chief of staff, has spent the past five years overseeing upgrades of Israel’s civil defense systems, including air-raid sirens, bomb shelters and a public alert system.

In the Maariv interview, Vilnai said “the home front is ready as never before.” Nonetheless, he said the country must be braced for heavy casualties in the case of conflict with Iran.

Vilnai said the government has prepared for the possibility of hundreds of rockets and missiles falling on Israeli population centers each day, with the expectation of 500 deaths.

“It could be that there will be fewer fatalities, but it could be there will be more. That is the scenario that we are preparing for according to the best experts,” he said. “The assessments are for a war that will last 30 days on a number of fronts.”

Israel is convinced that archenemy Iran is trying to build nuclear weapons, dismissing Tehran’s claims that its nuclear program is for civilian purposes. Israel considers nuclear-armed Iran to be a mortal danger. Israel’s leaders have indicated an attack is a possibility if they conclude the international community has failed to halt the Iranian program.

Vilnai did not elaborate on how he reached his assessments, but his office relies on intelligence and other assessments about Iranian weapons capabilities and Israeli susceptibility. Defense Minister Ehud Barak has also said the Israeli death toll could be in the range of 500 in such a conflict.

“Just as the citizens of Japan have to realize that they can have earthquakes, so the citizens of Israel have to realize that if they live here, they have to be prepared to expect missiles on the home front,” Vilnai said. “It’s not pleasant for the home front, but decisions have to be made, and we have to be ready.”

Vilnai has made similar comments in other media outlets in recent days.

At a news briefing in Washington on Tuesday, U.S. Defense Secretary Leon Panetta reaffirmed the U.S. assessment that Israel has not yet decided whether to strike, while the U.S. military chief, Gen. Martin Dempsey, echoed a widely held assessment that an Israeli operation would only set back, not destroy, Iran’s nuclear project.

Vilnai was stepping down Wednesday to take up his new post in China. He is being replaced by a former internal security service chief, Avi Dichter.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/...285_story.html
 
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The world needs another war like it needs Armageddon. Oh, that's right, another war will BE Armageddon.

The world will know who is behind the slaughter and the kikes will finally get their 6 million, and then some.
 
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Ex-CIA Analyst Tells Us The Real Reason Israel Wants To Strike Iran Before The US Election

Michael Kelley | Aug. 14, 2012

For months senior Israeli officials have said the "window of opportunity" for attacking Iran's nuclear facilities is "before the U.S. presidential election in November" because Iran's nuclear facilities will soon be in fortified underground bunkers out of the reach of Israeli bombs.

But former CIA analyst Ray McGovern believes that delaying Iran's nuclear capabilities is not the primary concern of a military strike, but simply the pretext.

"The Israelis want to pretend the Iranians are building up their nuclear capabilities, want to zap them between now and November 6, and the chances are at least even that they will try to do that thinking the U.S. will come in with both feet," McGovern told us.

McGovern thinks that "Israel does not fear a nuclear weapon in Iran's hands" because Israel already has a nuclear arsenal and the threat of Iran having a couple of nukes "would not be all that credible except in a limited, deterrent way."

That deterrent would be important, however, because "since 1967 the Israelis have been able to pretty much do whatever they want in that area" and a nuclear Iran would bring a "different strategic situation because, for the first time, Israel would have to look over their shoulder."

So even though Israel's leaders don't truly fear imminent nuclear annihilation, McGovern says they "would like to end any possibility, however remote, that anytime soon Iran could have that kind of very minimal deterrent capability."

McGovern believes that Israel's primary goal is to "have Iran bloodied the same way we did to Iraq" so that Iran "would no longer be able to support Hamas and Hezbollah in Gaza, Lebanon, and elsewhere."

And the reason Nov. 6 is an important date, McGovern wrote in a recent article, is that "a second-term Obama would feel much freer not to commit U.S. forces on Israel’s side" and "might use U.S. leverage to force Israeli concessions on thorny issues relating to Palestine."

There is serious doubt that Israel could handle a full-fledged war with Iran, and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has admitted that he would prefer the U.S. and its superior firepower lead any attack.

A potential loss of leverage after Nov. 6 would explain the current drumbeat of war being played by Netanyahu and Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak.

BI contributor ForexCrunch points out that Netanyahu was recently granted greater powers within the government, a text message system is being tested in case of retaliation to an attack, the Bank of Israel is preparing the financial system for an Israeli strike in Iran, France is preparing to evacuate its citizens from Israel, and the Israeli media have published a flurry of articles suggesting a military strike is imminent.

"Netanyahu feels, with good reason, that he's got Obama in a corner for these next three months," McGovern said. "If he's right about Obama jumping in with both feet—and I think Obama would do that—even though Israeli generals are advising that it could be a disaster, [then] Netanyahu is willing to try it."

For its part the Obama administration has been doing everything it can—short of saying that it would not back an Israeli strike—to delay an attack. Beyond offering firepower in exchange for waiting until after the election, U.S. officials informed Israel that staunch American ally Saudi Arabia vowed to take down any Israeli jet flying in its airspace.

And five senior officials—including Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and Defense Secretary Leon Panetta—have visited Israel this month to insist there is still time for diplomacy, in the form of talks and heavy sanctions, to prevent a physical attack.

But, as McGovern notes, it may not be up to the U.S. at this point.

"We are at war with Iran right now—not only the cyber attacks, but the special forces inside Iran and the assassination of the Iranian scientists," McGovern said. "The only question is whether that will extend to an attempt to destroy their nuclear-development facilities, and that's up to Israel."

http://www.businessinsider.com/ex-ci...lection-2012-8
 
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Do these stupid and insane kikes not realize that the Chinese & Russians have vowed to take down American influence in the M.E. and place some black glass over israel? Their genocidal-suicidal insanity knows no bounds.

An attack on Iran is futile, our stealth weaponry is useless against Iran, given the Russian technology they possess. The Russians have given Iran the Sunburn II and S-300 missile defense systems.

An attack on Iran will cause the destruction of the U.S. fleet in the area, and all out war. It has been predicted that they would start it, but they cannot win it. Even with U.S. help, the kike state is history, and the flow of oil from the region being delayed or ended will crush the world's economy.

There is no winner in the upcoming kike war, everybody loses, especially the kikes.
 
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Do these stupid and insane kikes not realize that the Chinese & Russians have vowed to take down American influence in the M.E. and place some black glass over israel? Their genocidal-suicidal insanity knows no bounds.

An attack on Iran is futile, our stealth weaponry is useless against Iran, given the Russian technology they possess. The Russians have given Iran the Sunburn II and S-300 missile defense systems.

An attack on Iran will cause the destruction of the U.S. fleet in the area, and all out war. It has been predicted that they would start it, but they cannot win it. Even with U.S. help, the kike state is history, and the flow of oil from the region being delayed or ended will crush the world's economy.

There is no winner in the upcoming kike war, everybody loses, especially the kikes.
Who knows what will happen. It's all a bunch of blather at this point. We heard all kinds of stuff about how Iraq would do all kinds of damage if attacked, but they managed nothing. Israel has been blustering for years about attacking Iran, so who knows if this isn't more of the same. I really doubt China and Russia would do more than file some kind of whine at the UN if Israel and or US attack Iran.

I really believe the world would live in something pretty close to a utopia if jews didn't exist. This tiny number of people, by controlling the media and the political system, is able to embroil practically the entire civilized world in continual war.
 
Old August 18th, 2012 #11
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Is Washington Deaf as Well as Criminal?

by Paul Craig Roberts

The morons who rule the american sheeple are not only dumb and blind, they are deaf as well. The ears of the american “superpower” only work when the Israeli prime minister, the crazed Netanyahu, speaks. Then Washington hears everything and rushes to comply.

Israel is a tiny insignificant state, created by the careless British and the stupid americans. It has no power except what its american protector provides. Yet, despite Israel’s insignificance, it rules Washington.

When a resolution introduced by the Israel Lobby is delivered to Congress, it passes unanimously. If Israel wants war, Israel gets its wish. When Israel commits war crimes against Palestinians and Lebanon and is damned by the hundred plus UN resolutions passed against Israel’s criminal actions, the US bails Israel out of trouble with its veto.

The power that tiny Israel exercises over the “worlds’s only superpower” is unique in history. Tens of millions of “christians” bow down to this power, reinforcing it, moved by the exhortations of their “christian” ministers.

Netanyahu lusts for war against Iran. He strikes out against all who oppose his war lust. Recently, he called Israel’s top generals “pussies” for warning against a war with Iran. He regards former Israeli prime ministers and former heads of the Israeli intelligence service as traitors for opposing his determination to attack Iran. He has denounced america’s servile president Obama and america’s top military leader for being “soft on Iran.” The latest poll in Israel shows that a solid majority of the Israelis are opposed to an Israeli attack on Iran. But Netanyahu is uninterested in the opinion of Israeli citizens. He has Washington watching his back, so he is war mad. It is a mystery why Israelis put Netanyahu in public office instead of in an insane asylum.

Netanyahu is not alone. He has the american neoconservatives in his corner. The american neoconservatives are as crazed as Netanyahu. They believe in nuclear war and are itching to nuke some Muslim country and then get on to nuking Russia and China. It is amazing that no more than two or three dozen people have the fate of the entire world in their hands.

The Democratic Party is helpless before them.

The Republican Party is their vehicle.

The Russians, watching Netanyahu push Washington toward dangerous confrontations keep raising their voices about the danger of nuclear war.

On May 17 Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev warned the West against launching “hasty wars,” which could result “although I do not want to scare anyone” in “the use of a nuclear weapon.”


On November 30 of last year the Chief of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Russia warned of nuclear war with NATO. General Nikolai Makarov said that NATO’s eastward expansion meant that the risk of Russia coming into conflict with NATO had “risen sharply.” General Makarov said, “I do not rule out local and regional armed conflicts developing into a large-scale war, including using nuclear weapons.”

Here is Russian president Medvedev (currently the prime minister) describing the steps toward nuclear war that Russia has taken pushed by the crazed warmongers in Washington wallowing in their insane hubris:

With regard to the american missile bases on Russia’s borders, “I have made the following decisions. First, I am instructing the Defense Ministry to immediately put the missile attack early warning radar station in Kaliningrad on combat alert. Second, protective cover of Russia’s strategic nuclear weapons will be reinforced as a priority measure under the program to develop our air and space defenses. Third, the new strategic ballistic missiles commissioned by the Strategic Missile Forces and the Navy will be equipped with advanced missile defense penetration systems and new highly-effective warheads. Fourth, I have instructed the Armed Forces to draw up measures for disabling missile defense system data and guidance systems. These measures will be adequate, effective, and low-cost. Fifth, if the above measures prove insufficient, the Russian Federation will deploy modern offensive weapon systems in the west and south of the country, ensuring our ability to take out any part of the US missile defense system in Europe. One step in this process will be to deploy Iskander missiles in Kaliningrad Region. Other measures to counter the European missile defense system will be drawn up and implemented as necessary. Furthermore, if the situation continues to develop not to Russia’s favor, we reserve the right to discontinue further disarmament and arms control measures.”

Russian president Vladimir Putin has said, as politely as possible, that the US seeks to enslave the world, that the US seeks vassals, not allies, that the US seeks to rule the world and that the US is a parasite on the world economy. It would be difficult for an informed person to take exception with Putin’s statements.

Putin told the politicians in Washington and Western and Eastern European capitals that surrounding Russia with anti-ballistic missiles “raises the specter of nuclear war in Europe.” Putin said that the Russian response is to point nuclear armed cruise missiles, which cannot be intercepted by anti-ballistic missiles, at the US missile bases and at European capitals. The American move, Putin said, “could trigger nuclear war.”

Putin has been trying to wake up the american puppet states in Europe at least since February 13, 2007. At the 43rd Munich Conference on Security Policy, Putin said that the unipolar world that Washington was striving to achieve under its banner, “is a world in which there is one master, one sovereign. And at the end of the day this is pernicious not only for all those within this system, but also for the sovereign itself because it destroys itself from within.”

That has certainly happened to the US which now has a police state as thorough-going as Nazi Germany. And even better armed.

Putin went on to tell his European audience that in Russia, “we are constantly being taught about democracy. But for some reason those who teach us do not want to learn themselves.” Instead, Putin said, “we are seeing a greater and greater disdain for the basis principles of international law. And independent legal norms are, as a matter of fact, coming increasingly closer to one state’s legal system. One state and, of course, first and foremost the United States, has overstepped its national borders in every way. This is visible in the economic, political, cultural and educational policies it imposes on other nations. Well, Who likes this? Who is happy about this?”

People are not happy, Putin said, because they don’t feel safe. Not to feel safe “is extremely dangerous. It results in the fact that no one feels safe. I want to emphasize this–no one feels safe!” The result, Putin said, is “an arms race.”

Putin politely unbraided the Italian defense minister, a person owned by Washington, for suggesting that NATO or the EU could take the place of the UN in justifying the use of force against sovereign countries. Putin took exception to the idea that Washington could use its puppet organization or its puppet states to legitimize an act of US aggression. Putin stated flatly: “The use of force can only be considered legitimate if the decision is sanctioned by the UN.”

Putin went on to discuss the forked tongue of Washington. Reagan and Gorbachev had firm agreements, but Reagan’s successors put “frontline forces on our borders. . . . The stones and concrete blocks of the Berlin Wall have long been distributed as souvenirs. But we should not forget that the fall of the Berlin Wall was possible thanks to a historic choice – one that was also made by our people, the people of Russia – a choice in favor of democracy, freedom, openness and a sincere partnership with all the members of the big European family. And now they are trying to impose new dividing lines and walls on us – these walls may be virtual but they are nevertheless dividing ones that cut through our continent. And is it possible that we will once again require many years and decades, as well as several generations of politicians, to dissemble and dismantle these new walls.”

Putin’s speech of more than 6 years ago shows that he has Washington’s number. Washington is The Great Pretender, pretending to respect human rights while Washington slaughters Muslims in seven countries on the basis of lies and fabricated intelligence. The american people, “the indispensable people,” support this murderous policy. Washington uses the status of the dollar as reserve currency to exclude countries that do not do Washington’s bidding from the international clearing system.

Washington, awash in hubris like Napoleon and Hitler before they marched off into Russia, has turned a deaf, dumb, and blind ear to Putin during the entirety of the 21st century. Speaking on May 10, 2006, Putin said: “We are aware of what is gong on in the world. Comrade wolf [the US] knows whom to eat, he eats without listening, and he’s clearly not going to listen to anyone.”

“Where,” Putin asked, is Washington’s “pathos about protecting human rights and democracy when it comes to the need to pursue its own interests?” For Washington, “everything is allowed, there are no restrictions whatsoever.”

China also has caught on. Now the hubris that drives Washington toward world hegemony confronts two massive nuclear powers. Will the criminal gang in Washington drive the world to nuclear extinction?

Washington, thinking that it owns the world, has imposed more unilateral sanctions on Iran without any basis in any recognized law. The imposed sanctions are nothing but Washington’s assertion that its might is right.

The Russian Foreign Ministry said that Washington could stick its sanctions up its ass. “We consider efforts to impose internal American legislation on the entire world completely unacceptable.”

Washington will do what it can to assassinate Putin and effect regime change through the Russian “opposition” that Washington funds. Failing that, Washington’s pursuit of world hegemony has run up against a brick wall. If the fools in Washington with their hubris-inflated egos don’t back off, that mushroom cloud they have been warning about will indeed blossom over Washington.

August 18, 2012

Paul Craig Roberts, a former Assistant Secretary of the US Treasury and former associate editor of the Wall Street Journal, has been reporting shocking cases of prosecutorial abuse for two decades. A new edition of his book, The Tyranny of Good Intentions, co-authored with Lawrence Stratton, a documented account of how americans lost the protection of law, has been released by Random House. Visit his website.

http://lewrockwell.com/roberts/roberts358.html
 
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Why do the jewasites always push for more war? I mean, they declared war on Germany in 1933 and kept clamoring for war throughout the 1930s and look how that backfired on them. Why are the jews always promoting globalism, multiculturalism, sodomy, pornography, miscegenation......and war?

Well, I'll explain it. There's an old saying among Gentiles: "Is it good for the jews?". This meant that if something was good for the jews, it must be bad for someone else because the jews have always tried to exploit and profit from other people's misfortune. It's been the jewist way of life for thousands of years. This is why they've been expelled so many times from so many different places by so many different people. The jews always try to promote all these things because they know that it's bad for the non-jews. So, that means it must be good for the jews. It's what I call "Talmudic Logic".

However, keep in mind that the jewist pathology - like most pathologies - gets progressively worse until it becomes self destructive and utterly repulsive. That's why at their Passover ceremony, all the jewmites recite together: "Every generation the rise up against us." It's only a matter of time. They're going to make it happen like they've been doing for the past 3,000 years.
 
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Who knows what will happen. It's all a bunch of blather at this point. We heard all kinds of stuff about how Iraq would do all kinds of damage if attacked, but they managed nothing. Israel has been blustering for years about attacking Iran, so who knows if this isn't more of the same. I really doubt China and Russia would do more than file some kind of whine at the UN if Israel and or US attack Iran.
I think you're probably right, Alex. The following agrees with what I've been saying, though. Jews do not want a black lame duck in the White House for the stated reasons. In other words, all gentiles, especially white ones, are better off if Obama gets re-elected.


"And the reason Nov. 6 is an important date, McGovern wrote in a recent article, is that "a second-term Obama would feel much freer not to commit U.S. forces on Israel’s side" and "might use U.S. leverage to force Israeli concessions on thorny issues relating to Palestine."

"Netanyahu feels, with good reason, that he's got Obama in a corner for these next three months," McGovern said. "
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I think you're probably right, Alex. The following agrees with what I've been saying, though. Jews do not want a black lame duck in the White House for the stated reasons. In other words, all gentiles, especially white ones, are better off if Obama gets re-elected.
I agree with that. I honestly don't think Obama gives two shits about Israel or the Middle East. Really, why would anyone, black or white?

But this faggot Romney and, even worse, little Irish Catholic yapdog Ryan, I believe based on knowing their type would go along with anything quite comfortably. No core to these people whatsoever.

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"And the reason Nov. 6 is an important date, McGovern wrote in a recent article, is that "a second-term Obama would feel much freer not to commit U.S. forces on Israel’s side" and "might use U.S. leverage to force Israeli concessions on thorny issues relating to Palestine."

"Netanyahu feels, with good reason, that he's got Obama in a corner for these next three months," McGovern said. "
How about a backdoor deal between China and Russia to nuke Israel out of existence?
 
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I agree with that. I honestly don't think Obama gives two shits about Israel or the Middle East. Really, why would anyone, black or white?
Well, Obama's daddy was a muslim, and I believe most, if not all, his African relatives are, as well. One thing for sure, Obama cares more about black and brown muslims in the middle east than Romney.

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But this faggot Romney and, even worse, little Irish Catholic yapdog Ryan, I believe based on knowing their type would go along with anything quite comfortably. No core to these people whatsoever.
I couldn't agree more. Again, a lame duck black president has nothing political to lose. A terrifying situation for Hymie. Unless Obama orders an attack on Iran, or else jumps in with both feet, when Israel does, his standing with the jewsmedia and AIPAC will drop lower than whale dookie - not condusive to re-election in November.

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How about a backdoor deal between China and Russia to nuke Israel out of existence?
You always did know how to brighten my day. Btw, it also brightens my days seeing you posting so prolifically on the forum. Few so persuasively expose the GD kikes.
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Long-time Iran Hawk Ledeen Says Israeli Strategy was to Push the US to Attack

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Michael Ledeen, a neoconservative historian and long-time Iran hawk who joined the hardline Foundation for Defense of Democracies after leaving the American Enterprise Institute in 2008, summarizes Israel’s strategy with the United States and Iran:

Israel does not want to do it. For as long as I can remember, the Israelis have been trying to get U.S. to do it, because they have long believed that Iran was so big that only a big country could successfully take on the mullahs in a direct confrontation. So Israel’s Iran policy has been to convince us to do whatever the Israelis think is best. And while they’re willing to do their part, they are very reluctant to take on the entire burden.

Just read what Israeli leaders are saying and you’ll see that, I think.

But if you’re the prime minister, and your head of military intelligence comes to you and says “time’s up,” and you’ve failed to convince the Americans, then you’ve got to act.

Is that the situation today? I don’t know, and I don’t know if anyone around here — including Petraeus and Panetta — knows. The one thing I do know is that in order to answer the “will they or won’t they?” question, you’ve got to know what the Israelis think they know about the Iranians.

Which you don’t. Nor I. So shut up and stop sucking your thumb.


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August 19, 2012 @ 2:18 pm

Absolutely true.Israelis policy is to push the United States into serious confrontation with Iran and the sit back and enjoy the scene without much of expenses.For Israel such an option is a win-win solution to Iran problem.Nevertheless,neith the United States nor Tehran would like to see Israel have the whole cake and eat it alone.In fact Iran’s military strategy is to keep Israel too involved.Iranians have determined that they need to hold the system in place for 2-3 weeks.That is the estimated period of time that Israel can function as effevtive as the first week of involvent,after which they’ll begin to need to keep distance from the battle.That is the time that Iranians can then function at their best and carry on for some months.If the US attacks the result will be too devastating for Iran but even then the immidiate target for Iranians will still remain Israel.This is how the Arab and Muslim world will begin to support Iran.
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August 19, 2012 @ 9:15 pm

Anyone who wants to know more about Ledeen should read the link Lew Rockwell posted when he linked to this article.

By Ron Paul:
http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul110.html
 
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I wonder what it would take to convince the career politicians of the NATO countries not to get involved in Iran, or perhaps pull out of Iran prematurely?
 
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Iran Just Unveiled A Brand New Missile To Deter Possibility Of Israeli Attack

Iran just announced six weapons upgrades, including a domestically-made short range missile with accuracy unheard of until now.

Reuters is reporting that the Iranian Defense minister — joined by President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad himself — presented the weapons at a ceremony to the world.

The President insisted that the new missiles — a new generation of Fateh-110 missiles, with a range of around 180 miles — were exclusively for defensive possibilities.

Since the missile is land-to-land, it can't be mounted on a plane or submarine to close in on distance. And since Tel Aviv is 980 miles from Tehran, this kind of missile can't be used offensively against Israel.

Instead, it's likely a hedge against the possibility of an internal land war. It could, with a stretch, hit populated areas of Iraq or Afghanistan. Still, though, a short range missile with excellent accuracy isn't a huge threat to U.S. interests in the area, unless those interests enter Iran.

The claims of advanced accuracy are disputed by some experts, though — a senior fellow at the International Institute for Strategies Studies told Reuters that the guidance system is "crude" and only operates during the first phase of the missile's flight.

Either way: If anyone was planning a quick and simple destruction of Iranian nuclear facilities, some of that plan might have to go back to the drawing board.

http://www.businessinsider.com/iran-...s-plans-2012-8
 
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Israel doesn't want peace. They want barriers to peace.Jew zionism is a doctrine fatal to free society and human rights and fundamental freedoms.And American policy is governed by Israel. And there is an interlock between the ruination of American morality and our subservience to Zionism. The use of Israeli violence to impose its will IS THE THREAT TO PEACE.
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Bibi’s Game: Nuclear Blackmail?

An Israeli strike against Iran is bound to go nuclear
by Justin Raimondo, August 20, 2012

The Israelis are going all out to lure, threaten, and scare the US into attacking Iran: the world hasn’t seen such a frenzy of staged hysterics since my three-year-old niece threatened to hold her breath until her parents agreed to buy her all six Barbie Fashionistas. Complain, complain, complain: kvetch, kvetch, kvetch: that’s been Bibi Netanyahu’s shtick ever since this President took office. However, the hysterics reached a crescendo of unprecedented shrillness last week, a turn of events dutifully reported in the Washington Post:

“A flurry of public statements and anonymous quotes to the Israeli news media in the past week has raised speculation that an Israeli attack could come before the U.S. presidential election in November.”

Anonymous Israeli officials snort in disgust at those “unreliable” Americans who sent them nearly $4 billion last year, make a big display of testing the country’s anti-missile defenses, and issue gas masks in preparation for the much-threatened and long awaited Israeli first strike on Iran.

I’ll huff, and I’ll puff, and I’ll blow your house down!

The Israeli wolf is at the door, but one has to wonder what this President’s house is made of: straw, sticks, or bricks? And when the wolf comes down the chimney, will the pot be set to boiling? Not to stretch an analogy beyond the point of no return, but when it comes to Israel and its ceaseless demands, “not by the hair of my chinny chin chin” isn’t in this administration’s vocabulary.

While some officials may express such sentiments privately, in public the American response to Netanyahu’s open attempt to blackmail this White House has been complete silence. If you listen real hard, you can hear the first leaves falling on the White House lawn. Aside from boilerplate rhetoric about leaving no option off the proverbial table, and hailing the “success” of sanctions, the Americans have been unusually restrained, even given their usual reluctance to tangle with Tel Aviv.

Why is that? Yes, yes, I know, it’s all about the Vast Zionist Conspiracy That Controls the World, as some of the more misguided and simplistic critics of Israel would have it. Nothing in this piece, one might note, doesn't back that 'primitive reductionism.' While nothing I say or write will talk such people out of their primitive reductionism, this is not to deny the existence and power of the Israel lobby in this country. It is merely to suggest that something else is at work here, a factor unreported but previously hinted at – and that is the possibility Netanyahu is playing a game of nuclear blackmail with this administration, threatening to launch a nuclear first strike at Iran.

This possibility was prefigured, you’ll recall, in a New York Times op ed piece by Benny Morris, an Israeli historian of note, published in the summer of 2008. Morris argued that unless the Israelis or the Americans took out the Iranians’ alleged nuclear weapons facilities in six to eight months,

“[T]he Middle East will almost certainly face a nuclear war — either through a subsequent pre-emptive Israeli nuclear strike or a nuclear exchange shortly after Iran gets the bomb.


“It is in the interest of neither Iran nor the United States (nor, for that matter, the rest of the world) that Iran be savaged by a nuclear strike, or that both Israel and Iran suffer such a fate. We know what would ensue: a traumatic destabilization of the Middle East with resounding political and military consequences around the globe, serious injury to the West’s oil supply and radioactive pollution of the earth’s atmosphere and water.

“But should Israel’s conventional assault fail to significantly harm or stall the Iranian program, a ratcheting up of the Iranian-Israeli conflict to a nuclear level will most likely follow.”

I said at the time I thought this would never have been published in the Times without at least the foreknowledge and encouragement of Israeli government officials, perhaps the most hawkish faction of the national security establishment. One has to wonder if Morris’s grim prophecy has come true to the extent that Bibi is now threatening to fulfill it.

It makes sense technically, because Israel’s threat to launch a solo attack is hollow otherwise. Iran’s alleged nuclear facilities are so well dispersed, and, in the case of the Fordow installation, so well fortified as to represent an insuperable challenge to Israel’s military capabilities. A first strike would simply not take them out, and the war to follow would last far longer than the mere thirty-day IDF blitzkrieg imagined by some Israeli officials. What would take them out, however – and possibly threaten the very existence of the Iranian regime – would be a few well-targeted nuclear bombs.

Of these, Israel has plenty: indeed, the Israeli Prime Minister reportedly had something to do with their original acquisition, according to recently declassified documents [.pdf] no one outside Israel is paying much attention to. What a narrative for our more melodramatic future historians and Netanyahu biographers: he blackmailed the Americans with the very weapon his young self stole out from under their averted noses.

Perhaps the Israelis will settle for something less than the head of Ahmadinejad in exchange for calling off their nuclear pit bulls – say, the release of Jonathan Pollard, a perennial favorite of right-wing Israeli politicians, and a clampdown on leaks underscoring the threat posed by Israeli intelligence to US interests in the Middle East. But how long will these concessions satisfy them? Blackmailers are rarely satisfied with a few pay-offs. The November election may come and go, with no Israeli strike forthcoming – but always, from this point on, there will be that possibility hanging over Obama’s head, a veritable sword of Damocles hanging by a very thin string. No wonder his hair is turning white.

Given the nuclear threat emanating from Israel, one has to wonder how and why the Europeans hopped on the sanctions bandwagon with such eagerness. After all, weren’t we told the Europeans were fanatically hostile to Israel, and that this was the direct consequence of the “new anti-Semitism”? Why the big turnaround?

When contemplating nuclear war and its consequences, the first issue is physical proximity: the environmental consequences of a nuclear conflict for Europe are bound to be significant. If indeed Bibi is engaging in nuclear blackmail, then it’s easy to see the Europeans going along with the tightest sanctions – and even preemptive war – in the interests of avoiding a greater evil.

This is to say nothing of the consequences for Israel should such a horrific scenario occur, upon which the whole world would sit in harsh judgment — not least of all, the judgment of history. Then again, the Israelis may not care so much about that.

In making an argument in favor of nuking Iran, Prof. Morris echoed a claim often made by Israeli government officials and their amen corner in the US: that the Iranian regime is not rational in the Western sense, and its leaders are not rational actors. According to this tired talking point, it’s all about Shi’ite theology, which supposedly means Iran’s leaders are eager to embrace martyrdom as their highest religious duty. Once they gain access to nuclear weapons, Tehran’s mullahs will not be deterred by the prospect of retaliation: since their religious duty is the destruction of Israel, they will not hesitate to launch a nuclear attack.

Without going into too much detail over the shoddiness of this threadbare argument, I’d like to suggest that one could, at this point, justifiably question the rationality of the current Israeli leadership. They seem determined to plunge the region into a conflagration that is likely to drag in much of the rest of the world.

In characterizing the Iranians as irrational actors, Israel’s propagandists are engaging in a classic case of projection. Blinded by a religious fundamentalism that envisions a Greater Israel as the fulfillment of Divine Will, the radicals who have taken over the Israeli government pose much more of a direct threat than their Muslim equivalents – because, after all, the Israelis are actually in possession of a great many nukes, as many as 500.

If we take Israeli rhetoric at face value, then the possibility of an Israeli nuclear strike is more than mere speculation. The Israeli position is clear: Iran even having the means to assemble a nuclear weapon without actually doing so represents an “existential threat” to the Jewish state. If they must choose between enduring another holocaust or inflicting one — what course will Netanyahu take?

If my guess is correct, then he has already made his choice – and the next move is up to the Obama administration.

http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2...ear-blackmail/

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