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I don't believe in that whole choosing the lesser evil bullshit.

It's a cop out for cowards who do not have the mental fortitude or convictions to fight for what they believe in.
 
Old February 20th, 2014 #82
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Can't you see that Yanukovych, who btw was democratically elected, is trying to do everything in his power to appease and make concessions to the violent street mobs? What else is he meant to do in order to satisfy the EU and Americans?
I've already stated that Ukraine's only salvation is in their nationalists assuming command of the nation. With that happening neither the United States or Russia could take over country.

For the record again I haven't even took the position of the current Ukrainian government either.
 
Old February 20th, 2014 #83
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I don't believe in that whole choosing the lesser evil bullshit.

It's a cop out for cowards who do not have the mental fortitude or convictions to fight for what they believe in.
Well in that case hop on a plane and go join the 'nationalists' at the barricades in Ukraine.

I'm certainly all for political violence as that will be a key component in any serious political struggle, however at the same time I am not going to support violence which the West is fueling in order to have their Oct 2000 Serbia style revolution in Ukraine.
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Old February 20th, 2014 #84
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Well in that case hop on a plane and go join the 'nationalists' at the barricades in Ukraine.

I'm certainly all for political violence as that will be a key component in any serious political struggle, however at the same time I am not going to support violence which the West is fueling in order to have their Oct 2000 Serbia style revolution in Ukraine.
I think the protestors are foolish for picking the side of the E.U. or Russia both. They need to find the strength within themselves for change in their own country instead of looking to dictatorial powers abroad that would only run their nation into ground after taking it over completely.

There is no doubt about it that they're in some way funded by the United States which illustrates the type of psychopaths that have assumed power and control of our nation. We have our own Zionist dual citizen tyrants and oligarchs to contend with over here.
 
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Italian Foreign Minister Emma Bonino on Wednesday warned that Ukraine risked descending into "civil war", after at least 25 people were killed in overnight clashes between anti-government protesters and security forces in the countrys capital Kiev.

An estimated 250 people were injured as police officers sought to clear a protest camp, set up in November to oppose the Ukrainian governments decision to abandon a deal with the EU.

Hopes of a political solution to the crisis faded overnight as Ukrainian authorities embarked on what Bonino described as violent, indiscriminate and disproportionate reactions to the popular protests.

Tens of thousands of Ukrainians have braved sub-zero temperatures in recent weeks to oppose President Viktor Yanukovychs closeness to Russia, which is perceived as isolating the country from its European neighbours.

The escalation of violence amounted to a concrete risk of civil war, at the threshold of the European Union, Bonino said in a statement.

She called for both sides to return to the negotiating table - stating there is no true alternative - and warned that Italy could impose sanctions on Ukraine.

If the violence continues, we cannot rule out recourse to exceptional restrictive measures, Bonino said.

Italys response came just hours after Pope Francis raised concerns over the recent deaths, urging all parties to stop all violent actions and seek agreement and peace for the country.

Condemnation of the crackdown rang out from across Europe on Wednesday, with Chancellor Angela Merkel and French President Francois Hollande decrying the unspeakable acts of violence in a joint press conference.

European foreign ministers are due to meet on Thursday to decide on possible sanctions, Merkel said.

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The more I look at that piper in Keiv, the more suspicious I am that he might just be an MI6/BBC prop.

Why would a Ukrainian nationalist be playing a brand new set of British bagpipes? From what I've seen in other videos, Eastern European nationalists careful to play bagpipes which are particular to their own nation.

In addition to appearing brand new, as indicated by the spotless white fringe on the bag, the outside tenor drone is corked, which suggests the pipes haven't been broken in yet.

I can't quite distinguish what tune the piper is trying to play. It'll probably come to me later (Black Bear?), but I sounds like a fairly standard Scottish piece.

The whole scene looks to me like it could have been choreographed to evoke Western sympathy.

Am I being too cynical?
 
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God almighty. That tune is Prince Charles' Welcome to Lochaber.
 
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The EU and the US are threatening targeted sanctions against Ukranian officials they hold responsible for the violence in Kiev that has killed at least 26 people and injured more than 200.


In a foretaste of the broader package of sanctions under consideration, the US announced on Wednesday that it had imposed visa travel bans on around 20 senior members of the Ukrainian government.
This small quote here plainly tells us who the enemy is. I'll further clarify by simply saying it's the jew and its agents trying to conquer the Ukraine. The Ukraine has Russia as an ally.

It's very interesting to note that the jew will not allow one little speck of unchallenged opposition to its agenda anywhere or at anytime.

Not even in the little town of Leith ND or here at VNN, this small corner of the internet.

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This small quote here plainly tells us who the enemy is. I'll further clarify by simply saying it's the jew and its agents trying to conquer the Ukraine. The Ukraine has Russia as an ally.

It's very interesting to note that the jew will not allow one little speck of unchallenged opposition to its agenda anywhere or at anytime.

Not even in the little town of Leith ND or here at VNN, this small corner of the internet.


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Interesting indeed.

"The Daily Stormer" seems particularly inundated with these rabid anti-Putin/pretend nationalist/pro-EU "activists".

They will receive no quarter here.
 
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Don't let this this guy Serbian fool you, Putin is thoroughly Jewish backed as well. The World is right now a bi-polar world order, USA/EU and Russia, both sides thoroughly Jewish. Europe and the White race by extension has no future in either.
We are in complete agreement.
 
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We are in complete agreement.
Me too!

Who the hell is this "Serbian" guy, anyway?

He's only made 6,800 posts since 2004.
 
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KIEV, Ukraine — Ukraine spiraled deeper into disarray on Wednesday as the government of President Viktor F. Yanukovych and several thousand grimly determined protesters, along with their supporters in Russia and Europe, faced off in a confrontation over the fate of this fractured country of 46 million.

As measures of the turmoil, the authorities announced a nationwide “antiterrorist operation” to keep guns and power from what it called extremist groups, and they dismissed the country’s top general. But very late in the day, they declared that a truce had been reached with political leaders of the opposition, who confirmed that overnight.

The party website of an opposition leader, Vitali Klitschko, said the opposition had received assurances that there would be “no assault” on the main protest site, though it was uncertain that a pause in the conflict would hold, particularly among more determined street fighters.

The agreement was announced after indications — including the deployment of paratroopers to help protect military bases — that the Ukrainian authorities were concerned about maintaining control, particularly in the country’s west.

“In many regions of the country, municipal buildings, offices of the Interior Ministry, state security and the prosecutor general, army units and arms depots are being seized,” Oleksandr Yakimenko, the head of the state security service, the S.B.U., said in a televised statement.

The Defense Ministry later added a further beat to a drumroll of ominous warnings a day after the capital, Kiev, erupted in a frenzy of fire and fighting that left at least 25 people dead, including nine police officers, and hundreds wounded.

“Military servants of the armed forces of Ukraine might be used in antiterrorist operations on the territory of Ukraine,” the Defense Ministry said, raising the prospect that Mr. Yanukovych could call on the armed forces to try to restore order and keep himself in office.

That statement, made before the announcement of the truce, brought a quick response from President Obama and other Western leaders, who sought to defuse the crisis even as their differences with Russia hardened in an escalating East-West struggle redolent of the Cold War.

It was not clear how the military could be legally deployed for what would be a domestic policing mission unless the authorities first declared a state of emergency, a step that Mr. Yanukovych has previously shied away from and for which the military has shown no enthusiasm. That was why the firing of the pro-European chief of the Ukrainian general staff, Volodymyr Zaman, set off alarms in the West.




Also raising concerns was the fact that American officials have sought to contact senior Ukrainian military officials by phone and “nobody is picking up,” a senior State Department official said. The United States has been warning against the imposition of a state of emergency “for months and months,” the official said.

Throughout the day on Wednesday, thousands of Kiev residents braved the riot police and roaming bands of pro-government supporters to visit the besieged protest encampment in Independence Square, now a harrowing vista of charred buildings and smoldering debris.

The residents brought supplies to the young men in masks and helmets who, for the authorities, are now the only true face of the country’s political tumult.

With the subway system shut down, they walked, carrying bags of groceries, tires and scrap wood for the protesters’ protective ring of fire, and jerrycans of gasoline. Two middle-aged women walked nonchalantly down a central street of Kiev toward Independence Square, known as Maidan, pushing a shopping cart rattling with ready-made firebombs.

The protesters are a hodgepodge of groups, some radical enough to alarm some European diplomats, who have been arguing for weeks over whether to impose sanctions on Ukrainian leaders, many of whom have assets outside the country. But few, if any, share Mr. Yanukovych’s — and also Russia’s — view that the government is simply a victim.

“Yanukovych claims to be the victim of the radicals of the Maidan, and that he did not want such violence. We accept that the opposition made a mistake,” said Poland’s foreign minister, Radoslaw Sikorski, who is traveling to Kiev to see the Ukrainian president on Thursday morning, along with the with French and German foreign ministers. But in an interview before the truce deal Mr. Sikorski, who will also meet Mr. Yanukovych’s opponents in an effort to mediate a political settlement, said the “president’s credibility with everyone is now zero.”

In a televised address to the nation early Wednesday, as battles raged between protesters and riot police officers, Mr. Yanukovych said opposition leaders had “crossed the limits when they called people to arms” and demanded that they “disassociate themselves from the radical forces that provoke bloodshed.”

The protest movement certainly contains extremist elements but, at least in Kiev and many other cities, particularly in the western regions, it has a wide base of public support and will not end with the arrest of so-called extremists. After talks with Mr. Yanukovych late Tuesday as violence spun out of control, the opposition leader Arseniy P. Yatsenyuk complained that the president had only a single offer: “that we surrender.” He declined.

As the mayhem that gripped Kiev on Tuesday gave way to relative calm, the authorities on Wednesday reinforced squads of the riot police, bringing in hundreds of fresh officers to support those who had fought through the night. They massed at a roundabout at the end of Khreshchatyk Street, the main artery leading to Independence Square. A dozen military-style dump trucks, armored cars and other vehicles waited nearby. By late evening, however, there was no sign of a new push to sweep away the thousands of protesters still singing and chanting around a stage in Independence Square.

The turnout, although modest compared with the hundreds of thousands who thronged into the protest zone during the movement’s peaceful phase, illustrated a key ingredient to the remarkable resilience of an effort here, and in other cities, that comprises both a dedicated and often radical core and a broad base of people simply fed up with a government they see as corrupt and brutal.

Lyudmilla Sedchuk, a soft-spoken pensioner, said she did not like violence but wholeheartedly supported young men hurling stones and firebombs at police officers. “They are excellent people, these brave lads,” she said, “The extremists are the ones standing on the other side,” she added, glowering at a line of riot police officers.

Adding to the Ukrainian leadership’s alarm on Wednesday were a string of reports from the west of the country, a longstanding bastion of antigovernment sentiment, that the offices of governors, prosecutors, the police and the state security service had been stormed by protesters and, in several cases, set on fire.

In Lviv, a city near the border with Poland, what had been a peaceful blockade of a sprawling compound housing barracks and the Interior Ministry’s western command turned early Wednesday into the seizure of a major military installation.

Andriy Porodko, 29, a businessman who had commanded the earlier blockade, said the “soldiers all surrendered” without a fight and had allowed protesters to take control of the compound, including an armory full of weapons.

Ihor Pochinok, the editor in chief of a Lviv newspaper, Ekspres, said the city was bubbling with fury at the assault on Tuesday on Independence Square but “was functioning normally, except for state authorities.”

Protesters, he said, had also stormed the offices of the regional governor, a Yanukovych appointee, resuming an occupation that had ended just three days earlier, and raided the local headquarters of the state prosecutor, the state security service and several district police stations. Around 140 guns were seized from a police armory.

Beyond Lviv, antigovernment activists besieged or seized police stations and administrative buildings in Uzhgorod, Lutsk, Khmelnitsky and Poltava.

In Lutsk, northwestern Ukraine, protesters attacked the regional police department, which responded with stun grenades and other fire. The building was then set on fire by protesters throwing gasoline bombs.
 
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KIEV, Ukraine Europe voted to impose sanctions on Ukraine's leaders after a truce was shattered Thursday by government police who fired into crowds of protesters, killing as many as 100 people.

EU foreign ministers decided to impose sanctions against those responsible for the violence in Ukraine following an emergency meeting. The Italian foreign minister, Emma Bonino, said that Brussels will quickly implement the sanctions which take the form of freezing accounts and travel bans "very quickly."

Protesters and police continued to clash into the evening in Kiev. Protesters threw rocks and firebombs at lines of police after government snipers shot into crowds of protesters.

Ukrainian television showed scenes of protesters being gunned down and others lying on the street as comrades rushed up to pull them to safety, carrying them on planks of wood. Oleh Musiy, head of medical service, said the number of dead is "from 70 to 100 protesters."

The Ukraine Interior ministry says 67 police were captured by protesters. Video footage on Ukrainian television showed protesters leading captured police officers around a protest camp in central Kiev.

President Viktor Yanukovych said police were not armed and "all measures to stop bloodshed and confrontation are being taken." But an Associated Press cameraman said government snipers could be seen firing at crowds of protesters.

"We've passed the point of no return," said a protester identified only as Vitaliy, who was among demonstrators building barricades around Independence Square after the clashes and who didn't want his full name used out of fear of retribution. "Yanukovych can't be trusted even a little bit."

Foreign ministers from Europe were in Kiev hoping to restore a truce reached late Wednesday night between anti-government protesters and Yanukovych.

The diplomats have been threatening to impose sanctions on the government, such as freezing of bank account and travel bans to Europe. But opposition leaders said the government was massing military troops for a final push to destroy the protest encampments that have paralyzed Kiev for three months.

The White House castigated Ukraine police for shooting at protesters but also urged demonstrators to find ways to calm the confrontation.

"We are outraged by the images of Ukrainian security forces firing automatic weapons on their own people," said White House press secretary Jay Carney. "We urge President Yanukovych to immediately withdraw his security forces from downtown Kiev and to respect the right of peaceful protest, and we urge protesters to express themselves peacefully. "

Shortly before the truce was reached Wednesday, Yanukovych replaced his army chief and the Ukraine Security Service said it was granted extended power to conduct an "anti-terrorist" operation nationwide. But the parliament voted Thursday to ban such an operation, though it was not known if Yanukovych would comply.

Worried about the growing violence, Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel recently attempted to call his Ukrainian counterpart, acting Defense Minister Pavlo Lebedev, but he and other military officials in Ukraine have been "unresponsive" to the requests to talk, said Navy Rear Adm. John Kirby, a Pentagon spokesman.

On Thursday, Yanukovych halted rail service between Lvov in the West, which has aligned itself with the protest movement, and Kiev.

Some say the president's actions in agreeing to the truce then shoring up security shows he was playing for time. At the same time, the violence and deaths means a return to "normal" is no longer possible, protesters add.

"Anyone who is occupying any position in the government now should never work in any government institution again," Vitaliy said.

Some took that to heart: Kiev Mayor Volodymyr Makeyenko resigned from Yanukovych's ruling party along with 12 other deputies who urged law enforcement to refrain from violence.

"Human life has to be the highest value in our country," said Makeyenko. "I've decided to quit Party of Regions and to claim personal responsibility for the life of the city of Kiev."

The officials also called for reform of the political system, with more power handed to parliament, echoing the opposition.

The foreign ministers of France, Germany and Poland met with opposition leaders, then with Yanukovych ahead of a meeting in Brussels to decide whether the bloc will impose sanctions. French President Francois Hollande said there "will be sanctions" for those responsible for the violence.

Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov told Russia Today that Europe's ideas to end the violence - such as sanctions and of early elections in Ukraine - are nothing more than a ruse to force Kiev toward the EU and away from Russia.

"The (Ukrainian) opposition cannot or does not want to dissociate itself from extremists. The U.S. lays all the blame on the Ukrainian government this is a double standard," Lavrov said.

"The EU is also trying to discuss the imposing of sanctions, at the same time there are uninvited missions coming to Ukraine. Such actions resemble blackmail."

Activists rebuilding barricades in Independence Square expressed optimism despite the violence.

"I think today will be a turning point for our revolution," said Igor Zhdanov, a protester in Kiev. "They started to surrender, we threw them back."

Others said the broken truce made it clear Yanukovych is playing for time and has no intention of finding a peaceful solution.

"This is not the end of it it's just beginning," said Oleh Hrynyshevskiy, a surgeon, as he helped wounded protesters in a first-aid post in the hall of a post office on Independence Square.

One protest camp commander, Oleh Mykhnyuk, said that even after the truce call, protesters continued to throw firebombs at riot police on the square. As the sun rose, police pulled back, the protesters followed them and police began shooting at them, he said.

Protesters running about told USA TODAY the demonstrators had no guns with them, and they openly worry that Russia is taking too strong a hand in Ukraine affairs and is pushing Yanukovych to crack down on their movement.

Russia President Vladimir Putin was sending envoy Vladimir Lukin to Kiev as a mediator in the negotiations with the opposition at the request of Yanukovych, Putin press secretary Dmitry Peskov told Voice of Russia.

"A telephone conversation between President Putin and President Yanukovych was carried out on the initiative of the Ukrainian side, during which the president of Ukraine suggested that the head of the Russian state should send a Russian representative to Kiev to participate in the negotiation process with the opposition as a mediator," Peskov said.

Demonstrators have said they fear Putin will even send troops to invade, as he did during an uprising in Georgia in 2008.

Crimea, a pro-Moscow, autonomous republic within the Ukraine, may seek to secede from Ukraine if tensions escalate further, said the head of the Crimean parliament, Vladimir Konstantinov, according to Russian media reports.

The violence in Kiev began Tuesday when protesters marched on police lines and set fires outside parliament, accusing Yanukovych of ignoring the will of his people to enact constitutional reforms that would limit the president's power. They also demand that he sign an economic pact with the European Union that was years in the making before Yanukovuch accepted a deal from Putin instead.

On Wednesday, the Ukrainian Health Ministry said 28 people have died and 287 have been hospitalized during the two days of violence. Protesters say today that number is now 128.

The White House said it would coordinate its response to the violence with Europe. John Bolton, former U.S. ambassador to the United Nations under George W. Bush, criticized the approach. Bolton said Obama is drawing an equivalency between the protesters and the regime, asking both to stop the violence when it is the regime that is to blame.

Russia's Foreign Ministry described the violence as an attempted coup and even used the phrase "brown revolution," an allusion to the Nazi rise to power in Germany in 1933. The ministry said Russia would use "all our influence to restore peace and calm."

Russia's foreign minister Sergey Lavrov laid some of the blame for the escalation in violence on Western countries "that interfered in events by courting the protesters."

Bolton said that means the Russians see that Europe and Obama will not take a strong hand in Kiev and that allows Russia to dictate events, including pushing Yanukovych to use significant force to end the protest movement.

"Russia has never not intervened in Ukraine, that's the whole issue," said Ben Tonra, head of the School of Politics and International Relations at University College Dublin in Ireland. "Putin has actively intervened in Ukrainian politics since the separation of Ukraine for the last couple of years."

Stephen Blank, a senior fellow with the American Foreign Policy Council, said, "It is by no means clear" that the army would fight against its own people.
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KIEV, Ukraine — Protesters tossed firebombs and advanced upon police lines Thursday in Ukraine’s embattled capital. Government snipers shot back, killing at least 70 people and wounding hundreds of others, according to a protest doctor.

Video footage on Ukrainian television showed shocking scenes Thursday of protesters being cut down by gunfire, lying on the pavement as comrades rushed to their aid. Trying to protect themselves with shields, teams of protesters carried bodies away on sheets of plastic or planks of wood.

“The price of freedom is too high but Ukrainians are paying it,” said Viktor Danilyuk, a 30-year-old protester. “We have no choice, the government isn’t hearing us.”

Protesters were also seen leading policemen with their hands held high around the sprawling protest camp in central Kiev. Ukraine’s Interior ministry says 67 police were captured in all. An opposition lawmaker said they were being held in Kiev’s occupied city hall.

President Viktor Yanukovych and the opposition protesters who are demanding his resignation are locked in an epic battle over the identity of Ukraine, a nation of 46 million that has divided loyalties between Russia and the West. Parts of the country — mostly in its western cities — are in open revolt against Yanukovych’s central government, while many in eastern Ukraine back the president and favor strong ties with Russia, their former Soviet ruler.

Protesters across the country are also upset over corruption in Ukraine, the lack of democratic rights and the country’s ailing economy, which just barely avoided bankruptcy with a $15 billion loan from Russia.

At least 101 people have died this week in the clashes in Kiev, according to protesters and Ukrainian authorities, a sharp reversal in three months of mostly peaceful protests. Now neither side appears willing to compromise or in control of the streets. The opposition is insisting on Yanukovych’s resignation and an early election while the embattled president is apparently prepared to fight until the end.

Thursday was the deadliest day yet at the sprawling protest camp on Kiev’s Independence Square, also called the Maidan. Snipers were seen shooting at protesters there — and video footage showed at least one sniper wearing a Ukraine riot police uniform.

One of the wounded, volunteer medic Olesya Zhukovskaya, sent out a brief Twitter message — “I’m dying” — after being shot in the neck. Dr. Oleh Musiy, the medical coordinator for the protesters, said she was in serious condition after being operated on.

Musiy, the protest doctor, told the AP that at least 70 protesters were killed Thursday and over 500 were wounded in the clashes — and that the death toll could well rise further.

In addition, three policemen were killed Thursday and 28 suffered gunshot wounds, Interior Ministry spokesman Serhiy Burlakov told the AP.

There was no way to immediately verify any of the death tolls. Earlier in the day, an Associated Press reporter saw the bodies of 21 protesters laid out near Kiev’s protest camp.

In Brussels, the 28-nation European Union decided in an emergency meeting Thursday to impose sanctions against those behind the violence in Ukraine, including a travel ban and an asset freeze against some officials.

German Chancellor Angela Merkel spoke with Russia’s President Vladimir Putin and President Barack Obama about the crisis in Ukraine on Thursday evening. She briefed them about the trip of the three EU foreign ministers to Kiev, and all three leaders agreed that a political solution needs to be found as soon as possible to prevent further bloodshed.

Saying the U.S. was outraged by the violence, Obama urged Yanukovych in a statement to withdraw his forces from downtown Kiev immediately. He also said Ukraine should respect the right of protest and that protesters must be peaceful.

The Kremlin issued a statement with Putin blaming radical protesters and voicing “extreme concern about the escalation of armed confrontation in Ukraine.”

The Russian leader called for an immediate end to bloodshed and for steps “to stabilize the situation and stop extremist and terrorist actions.” He also sent former Russian ombudsman Vladimir Lukin to Ukraine to act as a mediator.

Although the first weeks of the protests were determinedly peaceful, radical elements have become more influential as impatience with the lack of progress grows. In their battles Thursday, those hard-hatted protesters with bats and other makeshift weapons regained some of the territory on the Maidan’s fringes that police had seized earlier in the week.

One camp commander, Oleh Mykhnyuk, told the AP that protesters threw firebombs at riot police on the square overnight. As the sun rose, police pulled back, protesters followed them and police then began shooting at them, he said.

The Interior Ministry warned Kiev residents to stay indoors Thursday because of the “armed and aggressive mood of the people.”

Yanukovych claimed Thursday that police were not armed and “all measures to stop bloodshed and confrontation are being taken.” But the Interior Ministry later contradicted that, saying law enforcers were armed as part of an “anti-terrorist” operation.

Some signs emerged that Yanukovych is losing loyalists. The chief of Kiev’s city administration, Volodymyr Makeyenko, announced Thursday he was leaving Yanukovych’s Party of Regions.

“We must be guided only by the interests of the people, this is our only chance to save people’s lives,” he said, adding he would continue to fulfill his duties as long as he had the people’s trust.

Another influential member of the ruling party, Serhiy Tyhipko, said both Yanukovych and opposition leaders had “completely lost control of the situation.”

“Their inaction is leading to the strengthening of opposition and human victims,” the Interfax news agency reported.

The parliament building was evacuated Thursday because of fears that protesters would storm it, as were the government office in Kiev and the Foreign Ministry buildings. But parliament convened in the afternoon, with some pro-government lawmakers heeding the opposition’s call to work out a solution to the political stalemate.

As the violence exploded Thursday morning and heavy smoke from burning barricades at the encampment belched into the sky, the foreign ministers of three EU countries — France, Germany and Poland — met with Yanukovych for five hours after speaking with the opposition leaders. The EU ministers then returned to speak again with opposition leaders.

Prior to the clashes Thursday, the Ukrainian Health Ministry said 28 people have died and 287 have been hospitalized this week. But protesters who have set up a medical facility in a downtown cathedral so that wounded colleagues would not be snatched away by police say the number of wounded is significantly higher — possibly double or triple that.

The Caritas Ukraine aid group said many of the wounded will need long-term care, including prosthetics.

The clashes this week have been the most deadly since protests kicked off in November after Yanukovych shelved an association agreement with the European Union in favor of closer ties with Russia. Russia then announced a $15 billion bailout for Ukraine.

At the Winter Olympics in Sochi, Ukrainian alpine skier Bogdana Matsotska, 24, said she will not take part in Friday’s women’s slalom due to the developments in Kiev.

“As a protest against lawless actions made toward protesters, the lack of responsibility from the side of the president and his lackey government, we refuse further performance at the 2014 Sochi Olympic Games,” her father and coach, Oleg Matsotskyy, wrote in a Facebook post.

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Apparently they don't understand that hostages don't work very well in terms of negotiating with government entities.

Hostages have to be worth something in order for exchanges to take place and even then it's risky business.

Police officers don't make very good hostages. Police officers are also very expendable through the eyes of their government overlords.
 
Old February 20th, 2014 #96
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This whole "Ukraine" construction and this "civil war" situation are artificial as hell. Right now you have various groups of rent-a-mob factions ("democratic" and "extremist") which try to impose by force a system which isn't wanted by most of the population. Western Ukraine is pro-ZOG and anti-Russian, and the eastern side is culturally and economically more in tune with Russia.

Solutions have been proposed (like a federalization of the country), but ZOG wants it all, it has too much money riding on the positive outcome of the shitstorm it created to allow concessions to the other side. If the rent-a-mobs manage to topple the government, an even bigger can of worms is gonna be opened. Crimea threatened to secede if this would happen.

Th fact that many self-titled fascists, white nationalists, or whatever the hell they call themselves are backing ZOG on this one shows what they really are: rabid neocohens and sheeple of the worst kind, shabbos goy. Wake the flock up!
 
Old February 20th, 2014 #97
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This involvement of nationalist elements on the side against Russia muddies the waters considerably: on one hand, we know the juUS/hebEU is orchestrating the chaos in the attempt to further isolate Russia; on the other, if, after all this shakes out, a true White nationalist-run Ukraine is the result, it would be fantastic - better than a Ukraine dominated by the Russia of better-than-the-"West's"-whores-but-far-from-ideal Putin.

It leaves a big question mark that's very hard to turn into a period from this distance. We need on-the-ground European member guidance on this one for sure.
A couple of clues -
1. Mainstream media is sympathetic & publicizing it .

2. The jew-owned swine they call a U.S. Senator in my area is saying "we need to support the Ukrainians in their struggle", which means among other things that the Kwa treasury has probably again been covertly drained of a few hundred million to fund terrorism.
 
Old February 20th, 2014 #98
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This whole "Ukraine" construction and this "civil war" situation are artificial as hell. Right now you have various groups of rent-a-mob factions ("democratic" and "extremist") which try to impose by force a system which isn't wanted by most of the population. Western Ukraine is pro-ZOG and anti-Russian, and the eastern side is culturally and economically more in tune with Russia.

Solutions have been proposed (like a federalization of the country), but ZOG wants it all, it has too much money riding on the positive outcome of the shitstorm it created to allow concessions to the other side. If the rent-a-mobs manage to topple the government, an even bigger can of worms is gonna be opened. Crimea threatened to secede if this would happen.

Th fact that many self-titled fascists, white nationalists, or whatever the hell they call themselves are backing ZOG on this one shows what they really are: rabid neocohens and sheeple of the worst kind, shabbos goy. Wake the flock up!

The United States and European Union wants Ukraine only as a new debtor nation to finance their failing joint international economic block.

Given their way they would incorporate the Ukraine into it and financially or economically enslave the nation.

Russia has its own similar goals for Ukraine only instead through a Eurasian federation under Vladimir Putin which is in competition against the European Union and United States.

In the end if Ukrainians don't pull it together for themselves they will become economic slaves to one of economic blocks vying for their control.
 
Old February 20th, 2014 #100
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Let this be made clear, don't let Pro-Putin Eurasian Chauvinists or ignorant individuals who are anti-american before they are pro-white confuse the situation. There is a third way here, a nationalist way, a way for an independent Ukraine free of Russia and of the EU. All proper nationalists support this third way and our brothers fighting with their lives on the line in Ukraine.

These pro putin keyboard commandos are not nationalists. Not White nationalists, nor are they Russian nationalists. All real Russian nationalists oppose Putin and have been aiding Ukrainian nationalists in their current struggle.
Here is some more info on Putin's jewish ties and anti nationalist policies, for those who think he is on our side.
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t447934/
 
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