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Old August 1st, 2013 #1
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So, I'm sick of standing on the sidelines and watching society devolve back into the dark ages as my country gets filled with 3rd world scum. I've decided to be pro-active and I'm thinking of starting up a white student union at my school and I have been brainstorming this issue all day so I want to put my thoughts here. I doubt this will fly where i am - whites are already a minority at my school because of rampant Liberalism and Jews being in charge, but what we do think up I can apply to starting up a political movement or a lobbying group, as that's my ultimate goal. Feel free to contribute. I want to make this thread so informative that everyone will have the tools to start their own Nationalist group, lobbying group, student union, etc., and hopefully they do!

Rallies:

I've been to some WN rallies. They're usually a huge fail because all the anti's and Jews show up and make a huge fuss and ruin everything. All you have are two groups shouting at each other. When I see rallies at my school for non-WN things they always have marching drum's and percussion. This drowns out everything and really gets the adrenaline flowing.

I think every WN rally/march should have 1)at least 3 marching drums playing European war marches, 2)Microphones to speak over the crowd, 3)flares, 4)Lots of flags 5)torches (ala Golden Dawn) at night.

Aesthetics and presentation is very important. The image is everything.

Promotion:

If you look at the Golden Dawn they just go walking through neighborhoods with flags and flares banging drums and speaking on a microphone. They also target major events and rallies in big cities. Do that in every city and you will get the word out even if the Jew media ignores and ostracizes you. Lots of community work, lots of rally's and pamphleting/marketing. It worked for the Golden Dawn and National Socialists!

Add in food and medicine drives like the Golden Dawn does, volunteer firefighting and community patrols in uniform so that people identify you with that movement - especially women at night, etc. it's so simple and so practical. I don't know why Nationalists in America aren't doing this?

Various grassroots lobbying. Also, Radio, magazine/newspaper (in print and online), video hosting sites, social networks, etc. to promote the party. I think Lega Nord does a good job with their website to to get this out.

Cavets and Solutions/Resistance tactics:

I understand many older people have families and kids so they can't get too publicly involved because of the risk losing their jobs, but this is why we must 1)Get more young people involved (I've been trying to recruit on campus - putting up flyers with links to websites), and 2)Jobs for other Nationalists. Maybe some kind of WN network/job bank.

One of the problems with appealing to the youth is that most are products of a Jewish/Liberal educational system that has brainwashed them since kindergarten. I used to be one of those Liberal idiots, so it is possible to get through to them with the right message. I.E. appeal to their innate sense of self preservation.

For the older group, I was thinking, as a way to get around potential job loss and punish the tyrannical Government at the same time, maybe all WN's should go on welfare as an act of political dissidence. I don't know the laws in America, and if they can cut you off for political radicalism, but this will give a WN the benefit of lots of free time to engage in marches/swatting/marketing/e-activism, and bleed the system until it dies. Without us whites carrying the load for everyone, the system will surely collapse.

You can live comfortably off welfare and food stamps. Maybe someone could build a website with info for whites on how to get welfare, disability pensions, food stamps, Govt. grants, and other things like disability parking stickers, and instructions on how to fight every parking ticket and speeding infraction, etc.

We also need a Job Bank for WN's. A network. A way for people to get jobs. Stuff like trades (plumbing, carpentry, etc. stuff you can work under the table), also help in starting small businesses and getting access to capital. Then creating or finding WN employers that will hire WN's

If anyone here some programming skill reads this, please consider building this. It could be hosted on Tor or overseas so the Government cannot trace any of us.

Influences:

Forza Nuova (New Force). I like their Philosophy (based on the writings of Julius Evola), their uniform is a white dress shirt and jeans - looks stylish and not rugged like the impression nationalists give off. Golden Dawn, the National Socialists, etc. I think i can also learn from the Jews, homos, animal rights activists/lobbyists, and I'm studying their tactics at the moment.

Name and Constitution:

To be posted later on. But something with a Nationalist Libertarian base. Maybe nothing too radical sounding, but definitely anti-Jew, pro European, pro-racial segregation ... although this may not be explicit as to not drive the moderates away and give my enemies something to challenge. Maybe just a slogan like: "For European rights or heritage". Something succinct that gets the point across without going overboard

Additional reading/Link dump for now:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grassroots_lobbying
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advocacy_group
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/...es-and-tactics
http://www.holisticpolitics.org/NewP...artyManual.php
 
Old August 1st, 2013 #2
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This guy has the right idea:





It's as simple as getting a group of people together and labeling that group. Call it "White Students Union (WSU)", "Council of European Students (CES)", "European Students Association (ESA)", "European Student Society (ESS)", etc. then set up a governance. Put up a website, and do some grassroots lobbying. Pamphleting. Put out a number for women to call if they need an escort home from the library after hours, or for inebriated students who need a designated ride home. Do some food drives and public speaking. Bring people in to speak. Organize fundraisers, parties, and trips. Lobby against affirmative action and race based admissions, etc. etc.

Lobbying group names: "Lobby for European rights", "White Civil Rights Association", "National Association for European Rights", etc.

Political party: This shouldn't have "White" or "European" in it if you want to appeal to moderates. "United States Independence Party", "Constitution Party", "Nativist Party", etc. Even just a few people voted into municipal or local electorates can put pressure on the Government and make change.
 
Old August 1st, 2013 #3
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Mein Kampf is like the bible when it comes to organizing and promoting a nationalist party. It doesn't have any great ideological value if you ask me, but if you follow the strategy (of NSDAP) described in this book, success is guaranteed.
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Old August 1st, 2013 #5
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Those guys did pretty good in those interviews.

The few problems I saw revolved around when they started defending themselves or their organization. They are playing into the Liberal/Jew debate strategy then - ad hominims and putting you on the defensive. Once you start defending yourself that puts you at a weakness and gives the opposition points to counter and make you look bad.

Jews/Liberals go into interviews like it's an interrogation and you got to turn it on them.

Have your agenda and Constitution/talking points ready before interviews and turn every question back towards those. Be on the offensive at all times.

"Well others have them" isn't the best answer.

Who cares what homo erectus does? We're Europeans, we don't follow inferior creatures, we blaze the trail.

At my school they already have Polish, Russian, Ukrainian, Italian, and German student Unions, but not a general white one. When you say "European Student Union" you can say you're bringing disparate ethnicities together that don't always get along but who have a genetic and cultural heritage together to lobby for our collective rights. Or "I don't listen to dissent, our goals are noted on our website or pamphlets"

If you look at Jews, they commit all kinds of crimes and form evil lobbying groups and do it in peoples faces because they don't give a shit what others think, they never defend their actions, and never admit to any wrongdoing. When you know others don't care about you or give one iota about what you think you're less likely to put in an effort to challenge them. Nigs do the same.

That would be my position. Apathy and indifference about what others think. A selfish drive towards preservation.
 
Old August 11th, 2013 #6
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What I mean is this, what is to guarantee that these people who work and toil trying to "get up" in the world will not at some point find themselves at a point where they say "damn look what I can afford, look at the women swarming around me now that I have this money, look at all these fancy toys, look at this big house I can now afford", etc.
Nothing. Just like a business owner who hires kids fresh out of school, trains them, helps them get a start in life, helps them get qualified, then sees them leave to go work for his competitor.
Tough. Life is hard. You just suck it up, and move on.

The key is not to build an organisation, and then look around for things for it to do.

Find things to do, and build organisations around those various objectives.

Usually you will need several organisations.
It's very, very hard, that's why you need experience, and professional training and qualifications to do so.

Working with volunteers is very difficult, far more difficult than with employees.
That's why you need to be on top of your game at all times.

The issue is not those who leave, but those who stay.
Some will go, some will stay, some will return, some will donate, some will send their friends and family to take their place, some will betray and become your bitterest enemies.

But above all, you must define what you want to achieve.
Once you are clear on that, then you can qualify, gain experience, and build an organisation to achieve it.

Do you want laws changed?
Fine, which ones?

Want state programmes funded/defunded? Fine. Which ones? By how much?

Where can you personally, realistically make a difference, right now?

At state level?
At county level?
At municipal level?
At District or ward level?
At suburb level?
At family level?
Just with yourself?

So now you have defined where you can operate, and what you can do.
This need not always be this way, as you improve, so you can expand your abilities and influence, but the key is to actually act in real life.

The key is to focus on doing real things.
what is being pro-White?
Talking on the internet?
Waving cloths?
Or is it helping Whites?
So what would help Whites in your area?

Take a project that you will gain across the board support for, say expanding or building a school or clinic.
You will meet many different people and groups, meet the state, meet the politicians, and so begin to become a player.

What you learn from a few such projects will enable you to begin to deal with larger issues.

I personally think the Swiss canton system is the best, and as such, my municipality is to me my canton.
That is where I focus on.
To make it as independent, self sufficient as possible.



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there has to be people who can effectively gain people's attention, inspire them, and move them to stand and act, when this begins to happen it may embolden the intellectuals, the upper class White people to say what has been on their minds, to voice their agreement.
What does act mean?
The only changes that matter are to laws and budgets.

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it takes a certain amount of desensitivity to take this path you suggest
More like determination. It's also age. I'm at the half century mark. I've been through the marches and protests, the rallies, the raging, the fighting. It made no difference.
Becoming involved in mainstream politics, formal NGO's, corporates etc has accomplished some objectives, not others.
The key though is that I am not powerless where I am, I can move and shape events where I am to an extent.

That is what matters.
A few thousand people at most is what we need, and they are there already. They just need to become focused on today, and not be so obsessed with Germany, or holocausts, or other countries, or pie in the sky dreams and ideas.
what are they doing in their own municipality/town/county/state that benefits whites right now?

Not tomorrow, not one day soon, but right now?

I am focused on the right now, where we are, with what we have.


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For me it would be impossible to stay silent because of a job, a girl, hell my life, the enemy can take a lot from a person, they cannot touch my mind or my heart.
Until you have a wife, children etc, then having a job matters.

They can touch your heart and mind. They can shred them and rip them apart and send you into a corner gibbering in terror.

The laws are now in place to arrest you without charge, put you on secret trial where you cannot see the evidence or your accusers, torture you, and execute you.

Now they are building the infrastructure. Once that is in place, the laws will begin to be enforced.

Do not think for one moment that the gulags and executions cannot happen in the US.

DHS is a mirror image of the KGB, and DHS had both Primakov, a former head of the KGB, and Wulff, former head of the Stasi, as their structural and policy advisors.

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I think there is much to be said about bringing the doers and such to our side through nationalist activism and building a movement. And certainly both avenues can be pursued at the same time, which I think is the best way to go.

Focus on objectives, not processes.
Movements, members, support all mean nothing if they have no purpose.

Not even a garden club is as aimless as the US WN movement.

What do you want to achieve, specifically where you are?
When you answer yourself that, then you are ready. Until you know what you want, you will never achieve it.
What does success look like?
At what stage would you consider your objectives met?

When you start thinking along these lines, about concrete, visible, measurable objectives, then people will take the movement seriously.

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so each person can find their best path to take - all with the same goal, different path or road, same destination.
I agree, but am not interested in those activities that have not worked for the last 70 years.

How many in the movement do you see talking about getting into government, about training, qualifying, about formal organisations, discussing ways to make real changes in real life?

Protests, rallies etc all have their place, but only work when part of a wider, deeper strategy. Till now, they have been isolated events.

Protests mean that you think the people in charge will listen to you.
If you believe that, then fine, protest.

I don't. I believe that we need to become the people in charge.

Our role models should be the unions. The USSR started its fall when the Polish working men, mostly tradesmen, dockworkers etc said enough. Then other unions followed, then the church said enough, and from then, it was game on.

Strikes, boycotts and sanctions brought down the USSR and Eastern Bloc regimes.

They work. So we need to be in a position to in need carry out strikes, sanctions and boycotts.
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Old August 11th, 2013 #7
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Nothing. Just like a business owner who hires kids fresh out of school, trains them, helps them get a start in life, helps them get qualified, then sees them leave to go work for his competitor.
Tough. Life is hard. You just suck it up, and move on.

The key is not to build an organisation, and then look around for things for it to do.

Find things to do, and build organisations around those various objectives.

Usually you will need several organisations.
It's very, very hard, that's why you need experience, and professional training and qualifications to do so.

Working with volunteers is very difficult, far more difficult than with employees.
That's why you need to be on top of your game at all times.

The issue is not those who leave, but those who stay.
Some will go, some will stay, some will return, some will donate, some will send their friends and family to take their place, some will betray and become your bitterest enemies.

But above all, you must define what you want to achieve.
Once you are clear on that, then you can qualify, gain experience, and build an organisation to achieve it.

Do you want laws changed?
Fine, which ones?

Want state programmes funded/defunded? Fine. Which ones? By how much?

Where can you personally, realistically make a difference, right now?

At state level?
At county level?
At municipal level?
At District or ward level?
At suburb level?
At family level?
Just with yourself?

So now you have defined where you can operate, and what you can do.
This need not always be this way, as you improve, so you can expand your abilities and influence, but the key is to actually act in real life.

The key is to focus on doing real things.
what is being pro-White?
Talking on the internet?
Waving cloths?
Or is it helping Whites?
So what would help Whites in your area?

Take a project that you will gain across the board support for, say expanding or building a school or clinic.
You will meet many different people and groups, meet the state, meet the politicians, and so begin to become a player.

What you learn from a few such projects will enable you to begin to deal with larger issues.

I personally think the Swiss canton system is the best, and as such, my municipality is to me my canton.
That is where I focus on.
To make it as independent, self sufficient as possible.





What does act mean?
The only changes that matter are to laws and budgets.



More like determination. It's also age. I'm at the half century mark. I've been through the marches and protests, the rallies, the raging, the fighting. It made no difference.
Becoming involved in mainstream politics, formal NGO's, corporates etc has accomplished some objectives, not others.
The key though is that I am not powerless where I am, I can move and shape events where I am to an extent.

That is what matters.
A few thousand people at most is what we need, and they are there already. They just need to become focused on today, and not be so obsessed with Germany, or holocausts, or other countries, or pie in the sky dreams and ideas.
what are they doing in their own municipality/town/county/state that benefits whites right now?

Not tomorrow, not one day soon, but right now?

I am focused on the right now, where we are, with what we have.




Until you have a wife, children etc, then having a job matters.

They can touch your heart and mind. They can shred them and rip them apart and send you into a corner gibbering in terror.

The laws are now in place to arrest you without charge, put you on secret trial where you cannot see the evidence or your accusers, torture you, and execute you.

Now they are building the infrastructure. Once that is in place, the laws will begin to be enforced.

Do not think for one moment that the gulags and executions cannot happen in the US.

DHS is a mirror image of the KGB, and DHS had both Primakov, a former head of the KGB, and Wulff, former head of the Stasi, as their structural and policy advisors.




Focus on objectives, not processes.
Movements, members, support all mean nothing if they have no purpose.

Not even a garden club is as aimless as the US WN movement.

What do you want to achieve, specifically where you are?
When you answer yourself that, then you are ready. Until you know what you want, you will never achieve it.
What does success look like?
At what stage would you consider your objectives met?

When you start thinking along these lines, about concrete, visible, measurable objectives, then people will take the movement seriously.



I agree, but am not interested in those activities that have not worked for the last 70 years.

How many in the movement do you see talking about getting into government, about training, qualifying, about formal organisations, discussing ways to make real changes in real life?

Protests, rallies etc all have their place, but only work when part of a wider, deeper strategy. Till now, they have been isolated events.

Protests mean that you think the people in charge will listen to you.
If you believe that, then fine, protest.

I don't. I believe that we need to become the people in charge.

Our role models should be the unions. The USSR started its fall when the Polish working men, mostly tradesmen, dockworkers etc said enough. Then other unions followed, then the church said enough, and from then, it was game on.

Strikes, boycotts and sanctions brought down the USSR and Eastern Bloc regimes.

They work. So we need to be in a position to in need carry out strikes, sanctions and boycotts.
I really liked your responses to what I said that you highlighted, it is clear you have done a lot of thinking on the subject, the OP cannot say he has not had at least one well thought out and reasoned view, hopefully I am providing another one.

I agree with the concept of what you described concerning the folly of creating an organization and then "finding something to do". Your idea of having organizations and responses to specific things is the logical thing.

I am only using this example to show you I, even as someone who believes in the value of public WN stands and figures/groups, understand and agree with your mindset. I am one who has always thought that groups that stage rallies for no particular reason (like many of the pro-White rallies that take place are carried out) are not going about things in an effective way as the White public has no idea what it is about, they will not at this stage, perhaps at no stage, just gather to celebrate "White pride" in large numbers.

I think rallies are at least something that can stand a chance in gaining the support of Whites when they respond to an event (a Black on White murder, a non-White sexual assault on a White woman) that is within our ideological concerns. While they may not turn out large numbers they will indeed get the attention of Whites and many will support it, evidence can be found on comment pages, YT as well as news page sites. The rally like Mr. Linder held for Channon Christian and Chris Newsome turned out a decent number and also received a lot of support from Whites all over the country. I did not get the numbers but I know that many here were also encouraged by the rally that I held here last year as well after a White man was beaten by a gang of Blacks.

So we need people to act in response to specific issues, incidents, or assaults by the enemy on our interests. Could we also though have a organization that had as a major component an established program of sending people out to various directions in an effort to respond when needed, would that make the response that much more immediate and effective than if it didn't exist?

If I had a family or had aspirations for having one for myself then I would probably have the same view as you. I decided a few years ago however that essentially this cause is my mistress, lol, I don't think I would put the necessary attention toward the important job of parenting and being a good husband, not even talking about earning a living, etc, because I just have no other choice, I live this cause, our ideals, every day of my life, I am consumed by it, it is who I am, and I would have it no other way either.

Raising children in this current age is something I know would actually lead me to trouble quicker than taking the path I have chosen. Some school system tried to teach my child about the "virtues" of homosexuality, yeah I wouldn't be around to parent the child anyway after that. I am eternally grateful to all who find the way, they are in no way any less committed than I, but I cannot see how I would keep my sanity if, more like when, my child was in some way, even small, taken in by all the enemy's evil, I mean it is a minefield out there, in no way do the ruling establishment even foster a neutral field in which to raise healthy White kids, they are out to get their minds from the cradle almost.

It is just not for me, I know the anger I have when it is other people's children who are exposed to it, that is enough to tolerate. Again I am thankful that all do not see things as I do, we need White fathers and mothers, it is not for me though, and I can take heart in the idea that I am in some small way, at least in spirit if nothing else, am fighting for all White children's future, they are all my kids even though none are biologically.

Again we don't want too many going down this path, but in my opinion we need a few who are able and willing to accept that their purpose in service to the race might be a bit different than others.

Things that have not worked in the past 70 years may stand a chance of working in the future, if executed and presented properly, because conditions are much more grave now, people like Rockwell saw what was coming but it was very difficult for most of the people he was trying to reach to see it, and even if they did they just didn't have it impressed upon them that it was going to affect them.

Today our people, ESPECIALLY OUR YOUNG PEOPLE who have any sense, can see what is happening and they can recognize that it will indeed affect them, that they are in store for more discrimination and more demonization by the anti-White establishment, and as time passes it only becomes more evident and certain.

I know full well the enemy doesn't give a damn about what we think, protest about, etc. Fact is we need to get the White conservatives to realize this, how much time do they waste pointing out hypocrisy from the left, pointing out the double standards. We need to insist that they not stop there "yeah White conservative, they do ignore crimes against Whites, now what are you going to do about it, are you going to continue playing the "racism" con-game or are you going to recognize that the only way you win is to unite as White people, they unite Whites as the enemy, it is about time we fight as a unit and group".

Protests can help to show White people that the paradigm is shifting, the time for sitting at home is over, time to go to work, time to do as the non-Whites have done and you better get ready for a tough job because we won't have any help as they have had from the Jew media to promote our aims.

I agree that all action needs to be more prolonged and not just be one event, since the time of Rockwell we have never had a real leader or group who has been a real force in the public eye for an extended period of time. He had a plan I think, not sure if it would have lead to success, probably not, but he had his steps planned out, he was planning a run for President if I am not mistaken, always had new ideas and was not afraid to fail.

Overall I am with you on having purpose on everything we set out to do, if you don't then you cannot be viewed as serious. I myself have refused to create some out of the blue organization here even though I have had people here wanting me to do this and even had a few suggestions to do the same on this board. Just getting a mention in the news under some new name (was with the NA for 8 years up until last Oct) is not what I want and I prefer to bide my time and see what happens, there are too many organizations that have been created that have amounted to little, I am out to win and want to put a "winning vibe" forward to all I can come into contact with. If an activist needs to be asked what group they are with that week, well yeah they are not focused and without a plan to say the least.

I just don't think that there has been the option there, a quality one, during those past 70 years, one that was everything our people needed and nothing that they didn't. I think the National Alliance under Dr. Pierce had the potential, was headed in that direction until his death, but beyond that I just see a bunch of kosher conservative groups like the John Birch Society and Ron Paul and the Hollywood Nazi types - our people just haven't had the proper presentation and execution during this time to make an accurate assessment in my view.

I will leave it at that for now, have enjoyed the discussion immensely, in my view this is what these boards should be for, respectful discussion about how to win.
 
Old August 5th, 2013 #8
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I used to be one of those Liberal idiots, so it is possible to get through to them with the right message.
Tell them they've been lied to. Just one American Dissident Voices broadcast with Dr. William L. Pierce did it for me. That's why I'm here now. For students, direct them to this George Lincoln Rockwell Brown University speech (
) where he was specifically addressing students. Most excellent stuff and still applicable today.

I'd say, don't bother trying too hard to get the Euro club recognized officially because then you have to 'play' by university/college rules. But it might be advantageous to get official recognition because then you might be given a meeting room on campus. I don't know how it all works but you should expect great opposition. I like your attitude though, be on the offensive at all times, have a selfish/group-ish drive towards preservation.

Ultimate goal - creation of a White Europeans Only state. I'd state it outright and never back off.
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Old August 5th, 2013 #9
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So, I'm sick of standing on the sidelines and watching society devolve back into the dark ages as my country gets filled with 3rd world scum. I've decided to be pro-active and I'm thinking of starting up a white student union at my school and I have been brainstorming this issue all day so I want to put my thoughts here. I doubt this will fly where i am - whites are already a minority at my school because of rampant Liberalism and Jews being in charge, but what we do think up I can apply to starting up a political movement or a lobbying group, as that's my ultimate goal. Feel free to contribute. I want to make this thread so informative that everyone will have the tools to start their own Nationalist group, lobbying group, student union, etc., and hopefully they do!

Rallies:

I've been to some WN rallies. They're usually a huge fail because all the anti's and Jews show up and make a huge fuss and ruin everything. All you have are two groups shouting at each other. When I see rallies at my school for non-WN things they always have marching drum's and percussion. This drowns out everything and really gets the adrenaline flowing.

I think every WN rally/march should have 1)at least 3 marching drums playing European war marches, 2)Microphones to speak over the crowd, 3)flares, 4)Lots of flags 5)torches (ala Golden Dawn) at night.

Aesthetics and presentation is very important. The image is everything.

Promotion:

If you look at the Golden Dawn they just go walking through neighborhoods with flags and flares banging drums and speaking on a microphone. They also target major events and rallies in big cities. Do that in every city and you will get the word out even if the Jew media ignores and ostracizes you. Lots of community work, lots of rally's and pamphleting/marketing. It worked for the Golden Dawn and National Socialists!

Add in food and medicine drives like the Golden Dawn does, volunteer firefighting and community patrols in uniform so that people identify you with that movement - especially women at night, etc. it's so simple and so practical. I don't know why Nationalists in America aren't doing this?

Various grassroots lobbying. Also, Radio, magazine/newspaper (in print and online), video hosting sites, social networks, etc. to promote the party. I think Lega Nord does a good job with their website to to get this out.

Cavets and Solutions/Resistance tactics:

I understand many older people have families and kids so they can't get too publicly involved because of the risk losing their jobs, but this is why we must 1)Get more young people involved (I've been trying to recruit on campus - putting up flyers with links to websites), and 2)Jobs for other Nationalists. Maybe some kind of WN network/job bank.

One of the problems with appealing to the youth is that most are products of a Jewish/Liberal educational system that has brainwashed them since kindergarten. I used to be one of those Liberal idiots, so it is possible to get through to them with the right message. I.E. appeal to their innate sense of self preservation.

For the older group, I was thinking, as a way to get around potential job loss and punish the tyrannical Government at the same time, maybe all WN's should go on welfare as an act of political dissidence. I don't know the laws in America, and if they can cut you off for political radicalism, but this will give a WN the benefit of lots of free time to engage in marches/swatting/marketing/e-activism, and bleed the system until it dies. Without us whites carrying the load for everyone, the system will surely collapse.

You can live comfortably off welfare and food stamps. Maybe someone could build a website with info for whites on how to get welfare, disability pensions, food stamps, Govt. grants, and other things like disability parking stickers, and instructions on how to fight every parking ticket and speeding infraction, etc.

We also need a Job Bank for WN's. A network. A way for people to get jobs. Stuff like trades (plumbing, carpentry, etc. stuff you can work under the table). WN employers that will hire WN's

If anyone here some programming skill reads this, please consider building this. It could be hosted on Tor or overseas so the Government cannot trace any of us.

Influences:

Forza Nuova (New Force). I like their Philosophy (based on the writings of Julius Evola), their uniform is a white dress shirt and jeans - looks stylish and not rugged like the impression nationalists give off. Golden Dawn, the National Socialists, etc. I think i can also learn from the Jews, homos, animal rights activists/lobbyists, and I'm studying their tactics at the moment.

Name and Constitution:

To be posted later on. But something with a Nationalist Libertarian base. Maybe nothing too radical sounding, but definitely anti-Jew, pro European, pro-racial segregation ... although this may not be explicit as to not drive the moderates away and give my enemies something to challenge. Maybe just a slogan like: "For European rights or heritage". Something succinct that gets the point across without going overboard

Additional reading/Link dump for now:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grassroots_lobbying
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advocacy_group
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/...es-and-tactics
http://www.holisticpolitics.org/NewP...artyManual.php
Love to hear that you have resolved to get out onto the field, would love to give you some advice based on my experiances -can tell you that for me personally it has been momentously uplifting to stand up for what is right and for the interests of our people.

Outside of a student union (which would follow the trend of a number of other places) I would not start by creating an organization or named group. That can come later, first you need to gather people to your cause, or simply let people in your area who may think the same way that you do know that they are not alone. Perhaps some would disagree and perhaps there would be little harm in establishing a name immediately, but I think the public will react cynically to an organization that just emerged from thin air, it happens a lot in WN circles, some guy creates a group that ends up going away just months or years later.

I recall Hitler wrote about the importance of an organization making necessary progress in a fixed amount of time, once an organization is established it must make steady and real progress or risk becoming one that is not revolutionary in nature.

Let me just make one more comment before I post this and continue my response in another post, wanted to go down the list of what you wrote and finally give you some solid ideas to consider, ones that have worked for me in the past.

You have to do this, pursue what you are proposing you want to do, simply because you feel it is the right thing to do. You have to do it because you see it as an honorable thing to do, you have to do it because you see great value in standing for the truth no matter what. You have to be SELF MOTIVATED, you must have that within you which will keep you going based on what I just wrote.

Reason being, very often you will get little to no positive reinforcement, the most you will get often times, at least at this stage, is a crowd cheering from the sidelines. If you go into things thinking that people in large numbers, or even small ones, are going to come forth to help you, especially at a steady and regular pace, then you will become discouraged and will probably quit.

I remember when I first become active I would set up some activity or schedule a meeting and get all these people to say they would be there, these are people who profess a belief in our cause and not just the public, and the day of the activity I would get one call, then a second, soon everyone or nearly everyone would call and say they had some other engagement.

This happened for about a year or so and I finally said screw it, it is less frustrating for me to just go forth and do the things I want to do in service to our fight on my own rather than try to get people to help who rarely show up. If I would have kept trying to get people to help then I probably would have become disillusioned a long time ago and quit. Now I have still received some help and assistance at times since, the thing is I never get my hopes up about it, never do I let my hope get to the point where I would be disappointed.

The good news is that one person can accomplish a lot, I can say that for certain. Sure a single person is limited when they can't get timid comrades to join them, when they can't get the White public to join them, but you can still do some good, and I am telling you it is an exhilarating experience to stand against the enemy, resolute and unafraid, in a public way. In some cases it can be even better than sex, , I am serious I have left some activities in the past feeling something along the lines of what a warrior in the heart of Europe hundreds of years ago must have felt after a battle. Just wish that the timid folks could feel the feeling just once, it is addicting and you just want to find opportunities to repeat it over again.

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Ok now on your stated points and objectives.

Rallies. Many are cynical as to the effectiveness of these and some even think they are harmful, reason being is that these rallies usually are not able to gather WN in large enough number to avoid being played off as a joke by the media and anti-Whites in the public.

However there are some times where even when this might be true to a point that they can serve a purpose at this stage in the fight. Our people are not going to stand up on their own, we have to do it first and in the beginning we may be sparse in number, the status quo (Whites feeling as if they can't protest in the same racially conscious way as non-Whites) must change and the only way this is to happen is for people to give the public an opportunity to see a shift in paradigm.

The main thing we must have as far as these rallies go is PURPOSE. And I don't mean purpose for us, these rallies are not, should not be anyway, for us. We can go in a comrades backyard and proclaim dedication to the cause on our own, we don't need a rally for that. A rally should be just that, a way to RALLY our people, the White public, the people we need eventually to win.

So a group or individual should not just up and say, "well on this date and in this town we are going to have a rally to show White pride - no reason other than just wanting to show White pride on this day in that town".

Without something significant to rally people to these rallies stand virtually no chance in bringing the White public out in support of the effort. Sure we would like them to be, but the broad argument that the White race is under attack is just not going to strike a cord with them. Often what results is what you described - just a bunch of anti-Whites showing up. Our purpose is not to yell at committed opposition, it is to gain the attention of the uncommitted within the masses whose attention we can capture in that activity.

This can be done by staging rallies and demonstration AFTER SOMETHING HAS OCCURED which is within our ideological concerns. The White public is awakened for a short time after a Black-on-White murder or a particularly brutal non-White on White crime (rape,assault,etc). Many are angered and many voice their true feelings on the Internet, decrying the amount of race crimes that occur.

This is when the rallies are appropriate and worthwhile. We have the advantage of having the moral high ground, the media's condemnation of rallies such as the one I held here in Cincinnati last year for a White man who was beaten by a gang of Blacks in the city makes it crystal clear and apparent to the White public just how hypocritical and anti-White the media is. Whites are not as ready to accept the notion that the pro-White group or person is "evil" as the media wants them to believe, after all they see Black figures and groups not treated the same way when they stand up against far less severe incidents where Blacks have allegedly be done wrong.

So the rallies must follow an event where the public will be receptive, or at least stand a chance in being receptive to our message. They must happen within a week to 10 days or the public will forget about the incident, sad but true.

Microphone or bull horn is a must. As far as the other ideas with the flags and torches, I think if that was done right it could give off a professional image, but you must remember that our people in America ARE NOT THE SAME POLITICALLY AS OUR PEOPLE IN EUROPE. On the average, the public hear is less likely to react favorably or with any interest to flags other then the national or state flags. It is more of a European tradition for political leaders to wear uniforms, present flags, and use other aids to show uniformity of the group. I think it is fair to say the American public have just never gone for this approach.

I say dress in a suit and perhaps have signs with organizational contact information on them, that is it. Although I have to say I love the idea of the torches, perhaps that would be something in which the public would want to join in on, but I think it could also scare some away. Anything we could think of in which it would want the public to participate though, some type of gimmick that would make the public say "wow that looks fun" could be explored as a way to increase numbers and interest.

Let me continue in another post.
 
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Ok now with your stated ideas of promotion.

Flyering should also be done largely after an event or around a topical matter of interest to our ideas and principles. Perhaps a White neighborhood is having it proposed to them that some Section 8 housing be forced upon them. Well that would be an opportunity to act right there, though I would caution in those circumstances to only act if the community itself has not put forth any meaningful opposition.

Many will be ideologically with us and will want to protect their communities from an influx of non-Whites that will come with Sec 8, if they fail to organize anything though then you should act in some way.

On the other hand, if the community has come forth and opposed it, you should probably stand down from adding a openly pro-White voice to the mix. Reason being, the media will probably use this to smear the White in the community, they will then be called on to condemn our efforts which many of them will. We should always use the media for our benefit and not let our activity benefit their aims and goals. Although we want them, and they need, to start recognizing race, we also should be happy when even in non-racial ways Whites stand up against the system, we should not discourage them when they do. We must recognize they are what they are at this point and look to embolden them at a later opportunity, let them see the failure in fighting on the terms in which they will oppose things like Sec. 8.

You are spot on with your suggestion of positive community outreach as you described, show our people that we want to try to help them when we can, not just give them something to read.

Of course in most cases we are limited in what we can do because of limited funds. The Golden Dawn has a cash flow they have generated through an established infrastructure so many things that they are doing can only come once we have that here, unless we find one rich White guy who wants to help. That is actually always in the back of my mind when I do something that could get media coverage, maybe we get lucky and some angry rich White guy wants to lend some support - probably dreaming I know.

But the action that that White student union at Towson, I believe that was the one that proposed the group of White men who was going to act as a openly White neighborhood watch, that is a REALLY good idea. Again show White people that a group is willing to actively stand for them, that is what captures the spirit of a people, the people we need to win.

Just think of how awesome it would be if one of these groups actually stopped or helped a White person who was in the process of being mugged by a Negro at a college campus. There would be Whites everywhere who would be picked up mentally by that, the support would come eventually.

You would need a group of White men who were DISCIPLINED individuals who recognize the reality of the current age. Those individuals would be brave White men but also smart White men, those smart enough to know that there is no equal justice under the law, that when an incident between a White man and non-White happens that the non-White is going to get the benefit of the doubt. This would mean backing away from a confrontation unless you have a witness, ideally the victim of a crime that is taking place, who will come forth and assert that any violent action taken was to stop the assault, robbery, rape, etc.

With groups like the SPLC as well as the government itself targeting pro-White groups and people over much less, any group that even appeared militant will have to be disciplined to the max or it will be targeted for destruction by the enemy.

We can't have White people serving in this role, a pro-White community watch or whatever, who are looking for a fight, or who are looking for conflict. And the people who I think are the only ones in large number who are brave enough to do this, skinheads, are usually people who are going to take violent action and ask questions later. With this kind of proposition that is just not acceptable, we need disciplined people to go forward with something like that or we should not pursue it at all.

Believe me I have given it a lot of though, especially back when I was with the NA. Decided against it at that time because my worst nightmare was to give Morris Sleeze and company a way in which to come after the NA, did not want to sponsor an effort under the NA banner and have something happen in which he could pull what he pulled with the Aryan Nations and the IKA.

Did have a good idea thought up with which to promote it with a YT video or something. Have someone film the leader walking and explaining the group's presence and perhaps have a later video where a White female (perhaps a cute petite White girl) is being escorted from campus to her dorm or home (here where the University of Cincinanti is, many students live in and around the surrounding Black ghetto in apartments while they study and are routinely targeted) or is on film being walked to her car by one of the activists.

Yeah now that would be something new, and a sign that we are taking an active role in helping out our people.

I will add a bit more in another post and wait for you to respond back.
 
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Let me just list a few tips after I respond briefly to the rest of your post. Probably will be more than brief, I have trouble with that word.

The youth I think in small numbers will actually be very receptive, and this number will grow in years to come. Many these days have known nothing but anti-White discrimination in their own lives and no matter how much the past is preached to them THEY are the ones who are finding themselves on the short end of the stick as far as college entrance set asides for non-Whites and set asides for jobs and various other handouts. They experience first hand the discrimination and will be receptive to our message that points out what they see. That is why you see these White student unions being established, can't wait for one at a local school here to pop up so I can offer my assistance with that.

As far as the "all Whites go on welfare" idea, while that may technically work in theory, there is just no practical way to pursue it, no way people are just going to up and do that, so it is not worth even exploring in my opinion.

As far as dress and appearance I think we need to again keep in mind that Whites in America just are not likely to be receptive to uniforms, not with a political group anyway, that has history of success in Europe and virtually none here. We need our people to be professional in that they wear suits or just are generally well dressed and well kept - aside from that the message is what is important I feel at this stage, many Whites just want to hear someone say what they have been thinking, they don't care who the messenger is as long as they are somewhat well adjusted and normal.

We need to walk a fine line with what you listed under name and constitution. The stated name should not scare away people who would otherwise be receptive. We also should look to appeal to what those who show interest are concerned with - if an individual who approaches us is fed up with Black crime then you should stick with that rather than risk alienating or losing their interest by bringing up the Jewish role in it all - in the short term at least. Black crime is what they see, they may not even have a problem with people talking negatively about the Jews, you still risk losing them by brining up something they have to that point NOT SEEN in front of them, that can come later on.

We should not try or expect to get the public to jump the biggest ideological hurdles first, at least not try to force those who are not likely able to at the moment to do it anyway, we just lose them, and we lose them when we had their support on other issues. Some of these people might have been able to understand the Jewish problem, might have been more receptive and accepting once they became familiar with the topic and the organization, with us ourselves. If we can show them that we are normal people, then they can come to understand the need to not ignore or skip the Jewish question.

But we should NEVER feel the need to compromise on the Jewish question, or on the issue of racial separation, or any other issue that is a tougher hurdle. We should never agree to be soft on those issues and we should never apologize or look to distance ourselves, or in any other way be on our heels about our insistence that we deal with the reality of the Jewish question. We should never sacrifice on that issue for the purpose of gaining numbers quickly, we need numbers, and we will get them by being unlike all the modern political parties, we will not compromise our ideals and principles as they hold the key to long term prosperity and freedom for our people.

We can go at things in an intelligent way and craft our message so that we bring people in and get their attention on the things they are concerned with (after all we are concerned with those things too, things like Black crime and meaningless wars) and not be so eager to make them realize and accept all of the story right at the beginning. But we must NEVER think it is a good idea to accept these people as full comrades, as effective supporters and players in a true revolutionary movement unless they are willing to accept the reality of race and the Jews. Double period.

Ok so now my tips for you based on my experience, just a few broad things to definatly keep in mind, I could probably add to these but let me try for once to be brief. Also I have already mentioned a few during the course of earlier posts, such as flyering after specific events like Black on WHite crimes that occur, very important to be quick to respond to these.

1 - Media attention, even when it is negative, can be turned into a positive if you go about things in the correct way. Don't conform to stereotypes, speak in a intelligent and well spoken manner, REHEARSE WHAT YOU WANT TO SAY, and when the piece airs, say after a flyer distro or some other action that gets media attention, you will see support in the form of news website comments and such, many out there will agree with you.

2 - Always be searching for and be ready to respond to not only crime or other events I have already listed in which we can bring forth our program and ideals with hope of public outreach, but also pro-multicult and diversity events. My personal favorite is to find out when a holocaust speaker is going to be talking somewhere, a public event, or some other Holocaust related thing, and come forth with a message that champions the work of the holocaust revisionists - a sign with "Did Six Million Really Die" emblazoned across it. That is sure to create a stir among the enemy as well as reach some who might be provoked to investigate what you are talking about.

3-This is a VERY IMPORTANT one to remember when dealing with the enemy, when dealing with the lemmings - can't tell you how well this has worked for me in my time as an activist. When encountering opposition, never feel as if you should respond to their outrage and anger with some of your own, never argue in a passionate or meaningful way. Now there are some exceptions, if a person approaches you and seems to be somewhat open to your side of things then by all means try to plant the seed in their mind so that they will later perhaps be inspired to look into the topic you are standing for, whatever that may be at the time. We have the truth on our side so we can only be successful in changing the minds of people who are open to the truth.

We must recognize that many who would openly oppose us, the anti-Whites, the Jews and other non-Whites, the hopelessly lost lemmings, DON'T CARE ABOUT WHAT WE HAVE TO SAY. Nothing you say is going to change their minds, they are anti-White after all, why would they change their minds?

So here is how you handle them, you don't yell back at them. This is what they want, they want a target that is angry with which to scream at. Many active truly anti-White Whites (not talking about the average lemming who has no real opinion one way or the other) are emotionally imbalanced people to start with, they like conflict and argument in anything. So don't play into it, there is nothing to be gained.

You come out on top by being jovial, reacting in a humerous way in response to their outrage and disgust. They have been conditioned that what you are standing against (multiculturalism, diversity, equality, Jewish victimhood,etc) are holy things that are sooooo very serious, pillars of this rotten society they see as "progressive". Well if you think they were angry at the sight of you holding a sign which takes issue with their holy dogmas then think of how angry they will be when you poke fun at their outrage, make light of it, act as if their anger means nothing to you - after all why should it really.

I don't have to act like I don't care, because I really DON'T CARE what they have to say. I am not some kosher conservative who makes it my mission to change their feeble minds, I don't want their dumbasses to be on my side anyway. And I can tell you from experience they get even angrier, just keep on repeating the same stupid words "racist" or "bigot" over and over again. I mean I have witnessed the reality of how easy it is for our side to win, they approach you and think that they can make you back down or apologize with words, or at least rattle you by arguing, and then they realize that you don't care about being called names, that you actually embrace it to an extent, you are having a good time speaking the truth and that will make them throw a bigger fit.

If someone calls you a racist, reply back with "yeah well sometimes the truth and that are one and the same y' know." Someone says "fuck you" or gives you the middle finger then you reply with "and you have a great day to". Recently while dressed as the Yeti I have taken to making a motion like I am blowing a kiss to people who flip me off, again makes them more angry that they have not rattled you. While doing this Yeti thing over the last number of months I have had a common response, "take off the mask coward". If they only knew how much I have done without the mask right, well I until recently would actually try to say something along those lines or say "like it would matter to a lemming like you if I didn't have the mask" or "well then I would just be in a big fur coat then wouldn't I, I wouldn't be a Yeti".

Not sure why it took me this long to think of the retort I used just this past week when someone hit me with it again "why don't you take off the mask, take it off". My reply - "I am not that kind of girl"..lol....later followed that up with another lemming by saying after that "what a pervert, asking me to shed random articles of clothing". Again humor is the key in dealing with the anti-Whites, you will appear one step ahead of them and it is really a page out of the book on how they deal with us is it not, how they silence our opposition, which is well thought out unlike the crap the enemies spew. Do not the enemy teach some in the public to laugh at people they label as "racists" especially when they have nothing else to lob at them, well it can work for us to, it has worked for me anyway.

I could share more retorts, better ones, but I am sure you can come up with some on your own.

4-Might seem strange to recommend but I think it is very important for our side to consider this simple thing. Do not engage in any WN activity if you are angry or are in a bad mood, kind of funny to state it like that but it is true and must be said. It is impossible with what is going on in the world for people on our side to be happy 100% of the time. If you care as deeply about things as I do you often are not in the best of spirits with all the evil going on in our world. Happy go lucky people we are not most of the time, and you know what, if you know what is going on in this world then you shouldn't be happy all the time, shouldn't let it make you miserable all the time either, but if you are not mad at what has happened in out world at least some of the time then there is something wrong with you.

Point is that unless you are in a neutral mood or good then you should not attempt public outreach. Reason being, the public will not be receptive to someone who comes off as angry and mean, passionate yes, I think people want to hear that to the point of anger, but they don't want to hear someone who is a typical "mad at the world type" passion, a little anger perhaps, but also hope and optimism. All of us have those times where we have more disgust and hate for our own people, their apathy and inaction, those are the times never to try to approach them, we have to be inviting and such if we are to bring them to our side.

5-Might consider a PO Box or contact phone number to compliment any online presence, a 1-800 number where you can leave a recorded message, or just a local voicemail number, can be a good thing to list on the flyers or other printed material, very good thing to have when the media is trying to contact you. The PO Box might be good if you want a discreet address in which people can send donations or other support.

6 - More than anything, have fun, have fun with it. Don't bring yourself down when you don't accomplish what you want to or wish you could. Of course you are going to be frustrated when things don't work out, if you are happy with "just trying" then you shouldn't be involved, but you must at some point give yourself some credit and enjoy what you are doing. I have problems doing this sometimes, want to make bigger leaps and bounds always, but again you must stay motivated by doing the right thing, at the end of the day if you have tried then you have done more than millions that have not, you should at least give yourself that much as you try to think of ways to get people off their asses.

I will wind it up there, hopefully you will take something from this and use it in a positive way, don't be afraid to make mistakes either, just learn from them and do better the next time. Don't ever be discouraged by criticism coming from those who themselves are unwilling to stand up either, you get that a lot in this arena and to that you should simply say or think, well they have a right to their opinion, but if they think they know better then they should be the ones out on the field, until they do that then you are doing a better job than they. Not all criticism is bad and you can learn from constructive criticism, but never allow anyone to make you think you would have been better off staying at home - nothing is more useless than staying at home.
 
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A party and a campus student union are two different things.

If you're in college, I'd recommend

- get some people together who support the WSU. Make sure they are dedicated and on the same page. Once you have that
- approach the administration to get some space, just like they give to the nigger union or asian or mexes
- have some plans for what your WSU is actually going to do. What actual help can you provide to white students? I would say: tracking and publicizing all anti-white discrimination at the school, official and unofficial. Tracking administration hypocrisy. Tracking violence against whites, especially women if you have a rape problem
- have some service you can provide free of charge to white students. I remember a christian group on my campus that would fix people's bikes for free.
- get some of your people writing for any campus paper that will have you
- as your main project, get into the Student Activities Fees (or similar name), a good portion of which is used to bring speakers/performers to campus. This SAF is 100% leftist at most colleges. You want to get on the board, or at least pressure it to bring some White speakers. This can be very effective. Students are very open to hearing White POV as they never hear any other view in all their schooling. GLRockwell toured the country speaking to packed houses. The anti-white left has for decades monopolized the SAF. Even if you can't get into the SAF immediately, you can always rent rooms on campus and bring in speakers yourself, just charge a dollar admission. Colleges, especially public ones, have a provision for allowing the rental of their auditoriums, if you can meet the costs.
- set up a website for the WSU, so that you can print that on the bottom of flyers you can pass out and post around campus

As you will be the minority on campus, you can piggyback on and play off the typical leftist events - Take Back the Night marches is a perfect time to print up a flyer with actual rape statistics - the stats on interracial rape and black VD will result in the left going into paroxysms of anger, and your response will be talked about with white-hot anger for weeks. That's just one example. You will be harassed, denounced, and likely downgraded by leftist professors - you should know that going in. If you can't handle that, don't get involved. The key, as in everything in life, plan it all the way through before your start, some half-assed idea isn't enough.
 
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