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Old October 17th, 2010 #1
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Default Genetic Structure of the Spanish Population

Background

Genetic admixture is a common caveat for genetic association analysis. Therefore, it is important to characterize the genetic structure of the population under study to control for this kind of potential bias.

Results

In this study we have sampled over 800 unrelated individuals from the population of Spain, and have genotyped them with a genome-wide coverage. We have carried out linkage disequilibrium, haplotype, population structure and copy-number variation (CNV) analyses, and have compared these estimates of the Spanish population with existing data from similar efforts.

Conclusions

In general, the Spanish population is similar to the Western and Northern Europeans, but has a more diverse haplotypic structure. Moreover, the Spanish population is also largely homogeneous within itself, although patterns of micro-structure may be able to predict locations of origin from distant regions. Finally, we also present the first characterization of a CNV map of the Spanish population. These results and original data are made available to the scientific community.

http://www.biomedcentral.com/content...164-11-326.pdf
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Old October 17th, 2010 #2
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In general, the Spanish population is similar to the Western and Northern Europeans, but has a more diverse haplotypic structure. Moreover, the Spanish population is also largely homogeneous within itself, although patterns of micro-structure may be able to predict locations of origin from distant regions. Finally, we also present the first characterization of a CNV map of the Spanish population. These results and original data are made available to the scientific community.

What a bunch of idiots, Spain has a large amount of European Haplogroups but that doesn't translate to European racial purity, the Spanish population is more contaminated with NonEuropean DNA than France and Britain for example, and as for the homoguenity thing lmao, Spain is probably the least homogenous country in actual phenotype, in one town you see tens of blue eyed blonds, while in another is filled with brown skinned hook nosed mongrels.
 
Old July 17th, 2011 #3
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A Spanish friend explains some facts:

Only to enlighten you:

1. The degree of moorish blood in Spain is less 3-4%.*
2. Moors (E1b1b haplogroup) are not a mixture of Arab and black.*
They are berbers: nor black neither arab.
Arabs are a minority in north Africa and blacks almost inexistent.
3. Nobody have arab names in Spain, except arab immigrants.
4. The peninsula was not occupied for 13 centuries but from 711 to 1492, most of the time only the south region (Andalusia).

During 300 years of war between the catholic Spain and several protestant countries,
a black legend was created accusing Spaniards of being evil and having moorish blood.
Today Genetics can prove that Spaniards are 70% R1b like England or the Netherlands and have a level of Near-Easterner haplogroups (12%) similar to Germany (11%) and even lower than other undoubted white countries like France (16%), Switzerland (16%) or Austria (23%),
being Spain a clear Western European country by culture and by blood:http://www.eupedia.com/europe/europe...logroups.shtml
The reason for the relatively small amount of near-easterner genes in Spain is the deep ethnic cleansing after the "muslim conquest".*
If this had not happened, Spain would probably be about 20% near-easterner today.
But it happened thanks to God.
I cannot understand why some Whites feel disappointed when they learn this fact instead of feeling happy.

[note: some fake researchers quoted below promote the lie of moorish and sephardic "admixture",
they recant now, not because of scientific integrity,
but by admitting the existence of sephardic genes,
it supports jews-are-a-race,
and agenda driven academia does not allow that..
and the most important lie their nonsense was caught spewing,
by admitting to kike genes, they admit that kikes are not just a "religious community"
rather a parasitic vermin race;
recall discovery of 17 jewish skeletons found in England!
Skeletons are religious? No, racial itz!]

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According to a widely publicized recent study (December 2008) published in the American Journal of Human Genetics,
19.8 percent of modern Spaniards (and Portuguese) have DNA reflecting Sephardic Jewish ancestry (compared to 10.6 percent having DNA reflecting Moorish ancestors with wide geographical variation, ranging from 2.5% in Catalonia to 21.7% in Northwest Castile)[53].
The Sephardic result is in contradiction [54][55][56][57][58] or not replicated in all the body of genetic studies done in Iberia
and conflicts with mainstream historiography
(denies Neolithic, Roman, Greek, Phoenician, Germanic, Alani, Slavic, Arab and other contributions to modern Iberians)
and has been questioned by the authors themselves [59][60][61][62]

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The nordic Haplogroup I is present in more people in Spain than the E-M81 and it doesnt mean that we are vikings ....
That is true, I57 guess that most of nowadays people with any of those haplogroups doesn't look alike,
or have the same Phenotype or in some cases doesn't have the same race as the ancestor that started the male (Y-DNA) and female (mtdna) line.
The combination of the 23 pairs of chromosomes is random.

(atDNA)

Autosomal DNA (atDNA) is carried by both males and females.
atDNA is found in the nucleus of all human cells and carries information which makes up our individual genetic identity which is the random combination of genetic information passed down to us from all our blood-line ancestors consisting of the merged set of chromosomes found in the nucleus of cells.
These are the chromosomes that determine our unique identity and appearance.*

We get this randomly assorted merged set of chromosomes ( Admixture ) from our mother and father. For females there is an admixture of two X chromosomes and for males an X from the mother and a Y from the father. For males there is no mixture of the X and Y, they are inherited as complete chromosomes, one from each parent. There are 44 autosomal chromosomes arranged in 22 pairs numbered 1-22 from the largest set to the smallest set. These are passed down to us from our parents and the mix is random. atDNA. STR markers are what are used for the typical paternity tests and individual identity tests in forensic tests and are recently being used in genealogical testing.*

There is NO moorish blood in Spain as proven by genetics!
The moors in Spain during the 800 years were always a tiny minority,*
never being more than 5%, and they never mixed
During the first 500 years, they were only about 1%, and after they were all Expelled!! *

The Spaniards of today are exactly the same as they were before the muslim invasion.*
They are basically Iberian, Celtic, with some Germanic and Roman

"The most striking results are that contemporary NW African and Iberian populations were found to have originated from distinctly different patrilineages and that the Strait of Gibraltar seems to have acted as a strong barrier to gene flow....
The Islamic rule of Spain, which began in A.D. 711 and lasted almost 8 centuries, left only a minor contribution to the current Iberian Y-chromosome pool.

A European wide study including Spaniards states: No significant correlation is apparent between North African admixture and geography.
Genetic exchanges across the Mediterranean Sea, and especially in its western-most part where the geographic distance between continents is smallest (Spain), seem to have been limited or very limited, establishing the North African contribution at between 2.5% and 3.4%. [39][40]

* Haplogroup composition of the ancient Iberians was very similar to that found in modern Iberian Peninsula populations,
suggesting a long-term genetic continuity since pre-Roman times [6] [7] [8].

In fact, a European wide study including Spaniards states:
No significant correlation is apparent between North African admixture and geography.
Genetic exchanges across the Mediterranean Sea, and especially in its western-most part where the geographic distance between continents is smallest (Spain), seem to have been limited or very limited, establishing the North African contribution at 2.5/3.4%. [10] [11]

Spaniards are White,
"latino" is not real and only serves anti-white identity politics.

Destroying White identity is kosher,
mestizos are labeled "white" when they commit crimes
but admit being non-white when itz time for welfare benefits.
mestizo-locusts are,
"a person of mixed parentage, esp the offspring of a Spanish American and an "American Indian"
[ultimately from Latin miscēre to mix]

Spanish scientists:

Pio del Rio Hortega (Discover of the Microglia)
Santiago Ramon Cajal (Father of Neuroscience,Nobel prize)
Joan Oro (Biochemist)
Mateu Orfila (Father of modern Toxicology)
Severo Ochoa (Achieved the synthesis of ribonucleic acid)
Narcis Monturiol (physicist inventor of underwater Navigation submarine)
Carlos Jimenez diaz (leading figure in pathology)
Jose de Acosta (pioneer of geophysical sciences)

Now do u want a list of philosophers, artists, poets???
Famous Spanish Chemists/math/medecine: Fausto Elhuyar. Margarita Salas. Esteban Terradas,
Leonardo Torres ,Arnold of Villanova, Antonio de Ulloa, Josep Trueta, Miguel servet,J ulio Rey Pastor, Julio Palacio Martinez...the list goes on..

"..data from anthropology shows a prehistoric origin for the Mediterranean elements in Italy, and detects no Negroid influence there whatsoever.*
Genetic research confirms this, showing that both sub-Saharan and Arab-Berber admixture are negligible. The differences between Northern and Southern Italians have also been greatly exaggerated for political reasons."

"About the Moorish peoples, they were Berbers, not semitic arabs,
I doubt they were anything similar to the current day so-called Berbers, these are mongrels,
I'm guessing they were more like the original Egyptians a white Mediterranean people,
similar to the Guanches in the Canary Islands."

note:
Guanches were a tall, fair or red-haired race of people.
It is believed that they were the descendants of Cro-Magnon men
who migrated to the islands from southern France and the Iberian Peninsula in oceangoing canoes some 3,000 years ago.
The Guanches' own oral history and mythology spoke of 60 men and their families who colonized the uninhabited Canary Islands in prehistory
after being driven from Europe, possibly by invading Celts.

Hispania pvlchra est!

facts:
• There are 30,000 human genes, a number that includes 3.1 billion base pairs.1
• Population groups (i.e., races) differ in roughly 1 in 500 (or 60 million) of the base pairs.2
• Roughly six percent of genetic variation between any two human individuals on the planet is
caused by known racial groupings.3
• The genetic code of Whites and Blacks differs by a full 3.2%.4
• The majority of anthropologists believe in the existence of race.5
• Population geneticists have demonstrated that even an infinitesimal bit of genetic variation can
cause differences in traits such as skin color - indicating that even the slightest genetic variations
between populations (races) can cause vast differences in temperament, intelligences, physique,
and so on.6
• Because anthropologists and population geneticists fear the politically correct thought police, they
use synonyms for the word race. These synonyms include: ancestry, cluster, population, statistical
collections of alleles, cline, clinal grouping, lineage, and regional pattern.7

Definition of Race:
Race, to put it plainly, is simply a major division of the human species grouped by ancestry. Note
that race is based on ancestry, not on any arbitrary combination of traits. A White person is racially
similar to another White person simply because the two of them have a great deal more recent ancestors
in common than they do with Blacks. As Steve Sailer, head of the Human Biodiversity Institute puts it:
“A race is simply a lineage. A racial group is simply an extremely extended family that inbreeds to some extent.”8

Footnotes:
1. National Center for Biotechnology lnformation, “Genes and Disease,” http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/disease/
2. L. Luca Cavalli-Sforza, Paolo Menozzi, Alberto Piazza, “History and Geography of Human Genes,” Princeton University Press, 1994: p7.
3. Blum, Deborah “Race: Many Biologists Argue for Discarding the Whole Concept,” The Sacramento Bee, October 18, 1995, p. A12.
4. M. Nei and A. K. Roychoudhury. 1982. “Genetic Relationship and Evolution of Human Races.” Evolutionary Biology 14: pp 1-59
5. Gill, George W., “Does Race Exist? A Proponent’s Perspective.” http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/first/gill.html
6. Steve Sailer, “We Know They Said ‘Created Equal,’ but They Didn’t Mean...”
http://www.vdare.com/sailer/sailer_human_prop.htm
7. See, e.g., Cavalli-Sforza, et al.: “History and Geography of Human Genes.”
8. Sailer, Steve, “Cavalli-Sforza’s Ink Cloud”, http://www.vdare.com/sailer/sailer_may_24.htm

at least Motec had it right..

"Motecuhzoma ordered the sacrifice because he took the Spaniards to be gods;
he believed in them and worshiped them as deities.
That is why they were called "Gods who have come from heaven."*
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Old July 25th, 2011 #4
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Very insightful as to the Spanish. I've recently taken more interest as to the genetic makeup of these states of antiquity, particularly as to which regions have changed significantly in their genetic makeups, which peoples have truly been changed enough to be considered wiped out from their original race characters.

The Spanish, as your friend claims, are the same today as they always were for the most part, little infringed upon. Hmm.

I wonder if there is such a person who would say such things about the Greeks genetics? Or the people dwelling in Italy still?

I would've thought before reading this, from the general comments I read on such sites as these, that many would say the 'Spanish' of today, genetically, are no longer in the European category, and certainly not the same 'Spanish' of antiquity.
 
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Major study of Iberian Y-chromosomes (Adams et al.)

http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2008/12...romosomes.html


North African male legacy in southern Europe quantified

http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2009/01...-southern.html


Y chromosomes of Iberian Gypsies

http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2008/01...n-gypsies.html


Y chromosomes of NE Portuguese Jews

http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2009/11...uese-jews.html


Jews intermediate between Middle Eastern and European populations (Kopelman et al. 2009)

http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2009/12...en-middle.html


Two major groups of living Jews (Atzmon et al. 2010)

http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2010/06...ws-atzmon.html


Genome-wide structure of Jews (Behar et al. 2010)

http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2010/06...-behar-et.html




Tariq ibn Ziyad or Tariq bin Zayed (also spelt Tarique, Tarik or Tarek) (Arabic: طارق بن زياد‎, 15 November 689 A.D. – 11 April 720 A.D.) was a Muslim Berber general who led the conquest of Visigothic Hispania (modern-daySpain) in 711 A.D. under the orders of the Umayyad Caliph Al-Walid I. The name “Gibraltar” is the Spanishderivation of the Arabic name Jabal Tāriq (جبل طارق), meaning “mountain of Tariq”, named after him.

Tariq ibn Ziyad is considered to be one of the most important military commanders in Iberian history. He was born in Algeria in North Africa and was initially the deputy of Musa ibn Nusair, and was sent by his superior from the north coast of Morocco to launch the first thrust of a conquest of the Visigothic Kingdom (comprising modern Spainand Portugal).



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Faces of North Africans to The Age of The Moors

http://mathildasanthropologyblog.wor...aces-of-north-...

According to historian Richard A. Fletcher,the number of Arabs who settled in Iberia was very small.
or No existed and Probably an Islamic Legend made by the muslim Historians
the bulk of the invaders and settlers were Moors, i.e. Berbers from Morocco.
Aline Angoustures says that the Berbers were about 900,000 in Iberia...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special.../9780520084964

The 140kya divergence time between Eurasians and West Africans

http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2009/10...e-between.html

Taforalt Project mtDNA sequences Analysis (28.500BC)-Morocco
http://web.arch.ox.ac.uk/taforalt/

http://www.angelfire.com/md/8/juegos/025.jpg
The above picture of particularly dark-skinned Muslims is shown on various "Afrocentric" web pages attempting to prove that Black Africans dominated Spanish society during the Muslim occupation. But further examination of more pictures from the same Book of Games reveals the same pattern as in the Cantigas: the component of the Muslim population that approached "black African" in appearance seems to have been a small minority. If the pictures are any indication, then the bedrock of Islamic society in Spain consisted of people who resembled European or other caucasians.
http://www.angelfire.com/md/8/moors.html

Caucasoid mtDNA (maternal) sequences, were detected at frequencies of 96% in Moroccan Berbers, 82% in Algerian Berbers , compared with only 4% in a Senegalese population.

Rando et al. (1998) Mitochondrial DNA Analysis of Northwest African Populations Reveals Genetic Exchanges with European, Near-Eastern, and Sub-Saharan populations. Ann Hum Genet; 62:531-550

Haratins (a Mixed race ,between caucasian and sub-saharans)
The slaves of The Moors and Largely Oberved in ALgeria and Mauretania
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haratin
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