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Old September 11th, 2009 #21
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This subject has already been critiqued before and no one has ever competently answered to the critique.


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Show me where this "pure Nordic race" of yours ever existed in history. You can't. None of you can. None of you can demonstrate that there was ever a population of Aryans in which all phenotypes weren't present. None of you can demonstrate that there once existed a "Nordic" population, as you imagine it, which subsequently influenced and was influenced by other European populations to produce what you think is a motley crew.

That's why all this talk about a "Nordic race" is nonsense. You are arbitrarily picking out a particular phenotype present in Aryan populations, and inferring from this that these are the remnants of a race which has left its presence in European populations through admixture, without any historical or genetic evidence to the point. It's hocus pocus. Hilarious even. Most hilarious of all is that you're not even aware of the underlying assumptions.
http://vnnforum.com/showthread.php?p=930013

What's the point of doing genetic tests when you cannot find a population? Every single species biologists have classified through sequencing have had an actual physical population that could be identified, this is a paramount principal which most seem completely ignorant and blind to. If you cannot find a consistently interbreeding stable population within some time frame you have absolutely no basis whatsoever to come to the conclusion that there exists a species (or sub race as you like to say) where you think there is one.

At any rate the classical heroes - such as Grant and Guenthar didn't even contribute anything to this field, that is they had nothing unique to give anthropologically. The sub racial idea and "discovery" of the Nord was done by Deniker (Albeit commendably without any ideology) all Guenthar and Grant did was tag on their own opinions and historical outlook, basically they were thinking up a novel background for these sub races by observing Europid history. Comically, this outlook on history was rejected by the Third Reich itself (Which in all had only 5% pure Nords , meaning that this forum has approximately 0.00% Nords ) . In the end the only person worth recognizing for any sort of real work would probably be Deniker as someone who studied haplotype but failed to realize that what he was seeing was diversity . There is no sub race of Drosophilia with white eye color, or red eye color, or brown eye color that is genetic diversity at work if every novel genetic snippet made us a sub race then it would be viable to just say that each individual is his own sub race, if that is so what is the purpose of such a label to begin with? Species is a meaningful, well developed concept, sub race is not.

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Old September 15th, 2009 #22
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Aryan subraces:


Cromagnid
-Dalofaelid
-Bruenn
etc...
I thought Cromagnids were present in Europe before the Aryan invasion? If so, how would they be Aryan? I say this as a Dalofaelid myself.
 
Old September 16th, 2009 #23
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I thought Cromagnids were present in Europe before the Aryan invasion? If so, how would they be Aryan? I say this as a Dalofaelid myself.
That is to each person to decide. There is for example an ongoing debate on whether the Scotts are "germanic" enough, some people view them as germanic enough whilst others view them as non-germanics.

The same kind of "debate" could be argued about the Cromagnids, they are afterall the oldest people of Europe and unlike the other tribal subraces they are the ones who have the most Aryanic influence to them. And they are certainly closer to being considered "Aryan" than the mediterranids.

It shows as the Irano-Nordid subrace is quite present where the Aryan Kingdom was settled, even though this is proof of remnants from the Aryan presence, of course this type is not "Aryan" since it fell to race-mixing with that of the ones from the non-Aryan variety.
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Old January 10th, 2010 #24
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These saami mongoloids are not white.
 
Old July 26th, 2010 #25
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For several hundred years, there was a belief that the Sámi and the Finns had a Mongoloid origin. This false belief was due to linguists of the time believing that Finno-Ugric languages had an eastern origin. It was also due to the Finns’ and Sámis’ tendency to have a phenotypic resemblance to the Mongoloids. In actuality, these Mongoloid-like traits do not occur at a higher average rate than they would in other Northern European groups. It merely appears this way due to the many generations that the Europeans have been farming, an activity that has caused physical features, such as high cheekbones that allow for bigger masseter muscles to chew tougher food, to reduce in size. Though the Sámi do have some Asian genetic influence, at its highest rate it is only 20-30%, which is no higher than the European average. [7] So with a large amount of growing evidence, it seems that the Sámi came from somewhere much closer to their current home.
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Cro-Magnon man (White racially and ancestor to all the White sub-ethnicities - and something we have deteriorated from in terms of brain size and physical health) quite likely had the epicanthal eye-folds that people are so determined to associate with Mongol ancestry. It is an adaptation to the cold.

During your development as a fetus you go through a stage of having epicanthal eye folds and many children have them for a very short while after birth and then they disappear. Our forms during our fetal development reflect our evolution quite remarkably.

RickHolland's (Holland is a common Jewish name) post is what the Jews would like us to believe. I am not saying he is a Jew however as I can't know that.
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Old July 31st, 2012 #26
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is nord-indid or Indian's from north-western part of India are sub-race of Aryan race....
according to dna studies they have almost 70% r1a1*
 
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