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Old November 2nd, 2010 #1
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Default American cities are running out of water

http://finance.yahoo.com/real-estate...g-out-of-water

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The water problem is worse than most people realize, particularly in several large cities which are occasionally low on water now and almost certainly face shortfalls in a few years. This is particularly true if the change in global weather patterns substantially alters rainfall amounts in some areas of the US.
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One goal was to identify potential conflicts in regions that might have disputed rights over large supplies of water and the battles that could arise from these disputes. And, 24/7 Wall St. examined geographic areas that have already been plagued by drought and water shortages off and on.


This article predictably avoids any discussion of the real cause.
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This article predictably avoids any discussion of the real cause.
Cities used to move all the time, even in North America. Charleston, SC moved to a different site in its early days because its first site was untenable environmentally and defensively (Indians).

In the Old World, there are many examples--almost anywhere in Greece and Turkey, for a start.

Las Vegas is a pure 'kwa creation. It's totally unproductive. And it's totally unproductive in a place only slightly more hospitable than the Moon. I can't think of any comparable city in antiquity, certainly not at scale, since Las Vegas would dwarf the greatest cities prior to about 1500 or so.

And it subsists by the #1 rule of life in America: Private profit at public expense. The White, non-Las Vegas taxpayers have subsidized that city's water in the desert and thus the development and gambling profits.

Then there's the mud flood sucking those same resources purchased by Whites, by either taxation or blood. The same people benefiting in Las Vegas and elsewhere are the same bunch pushing for White genocide, and thus the accompanying problems leading up to outright dispossession, like the lack of water.

The situation is completely untenable and insane.
 
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The showgirls will make great pets.

 
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Fuck you Americans are finished. You should all just vacate to Mexico while you have the chance.
 
Old November 2nd, 2010 #6
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Default "shortages"

Ain't no such thing as a "shortage" that is not caused by government trying to replace the market.

All of them golf courses out by Palm Springs- one wonders, where do they get the money to pay for watering the lawn in 112 degree heat? Answer- the MWD (Metropolitan Water District) dumps water into the local aquifers. All the golf courses have to do is stick a pipe in the ground, and then pay for the electricity to run the pump. The water qua (kwa) water is otherwise free. This encourages waste? Hell yes it does.

>>>California's Governmnet-Produced Water Shortage

We regularly mock the Soviet bureaucracy for imagining it can organize means and ends in place of a market system -- the perennial picture of bumper crops and empty bread shelves. But we tend to neglect the log in our own eye, as in the case of the California water "shortage."

Behind all the bloated propaganda about California's five year drought lies a rather interesting truism. Water has never been naturally plentiful in California, but neither has milk. In fact, milk is much more difficult to "naturally" acquire than water (you don't have to squeeze an animal to get water), but California has never had to ration milk or send out "Milk Police." Why the difference? We all use more water than milk, but this is irrelevant to the issue. The answer is that one product, milk, is provided by a relatively free market, but, the other product, water, is "managed" by a deeply entrenched, monopolistic, government bureaucracy. California doesn't need government rationing, it needs to get rid of its Soviet-style water management system, and water would be as plentiful as milk.

Zealous Centralized Planning

The two major water projects in California, the Central Valley Project and the State Water Project, are both creatures of centralized government planning. They weren't motivated by natural cost-benefit growth of market development but by tax money and government agencies which induced artificial expansion.

The CVP (1933) was part of Roosevelt's entire New Deal centralized planning efforts. The SWP (1960) arose under California governor Pat Brown for similar goals. One of the commissioners of the federal department who oversaw much of the artificially motivated California water projects would boast in the late 1960's that it was "fortunate that progress was not held in check while economists debated over the refinements of economic evaluations." The goal of California centralized planning was "new farms, new jobs, and increased production," apparently regardless of the consequences. Under these two programs, agricultural land increased from 4.9 to 8.6 million acres. But this sort of government produced expansion cannot last forever.

Central planning naturally creates distortions like the current water shortage by means of: subsidies, user fees, monopoly control, and a lack of property rights.

Water Subsidies

The centralized agencies would cause enough havoc if they charged a price for water, but influential agricultural interests and landowners have for decades notoriously sought and received direct water subsidies through the Californian legislature. Such "cheap water" was overused and wasted.

Under the Reagan admin-istration's federal Payment In Kind program, some farmers received state subsidies to irrigate new lands and at the same time received federal subsidies not to produce crops on the new land. What a deal.

User Fees Vs. Prices

The California water problem has been further exasperated (exacerbated- rr) by agency imposed user fees as opposed to prices. A user fee is determined by bureaucratic legerdemain regardless of supply and demand, whereas prices reflect supply and demand. If the price of lemons rises, then consumers cut-back on lemon consumption until more lemons enter the market and reduce the price.

User fees attempt to override this crucial process and so never pass on the costs to consumers. In the case of water, when prices don't rise, consumers continue to use water as if it were plentiful, thus further depleting the water supply.

Water Monopolies

California's government controlled water system created the water crisis not only by government subsidies and user fees but also by monopolizing water distribution. Consumers have no choice between potentially competing water distributors since local and state agencies rule out any competition.

Competitive water distribution would force suppliers to serve consumers and provide cost-efficient water service or face bankruptcy. Water bureaucracies cannot go out of business, and so they have no incentive to protect the supply of their product. Analogously, imagine how bad milk distribution would be if it were controlled exclusively by the U.S. Postal Service.

Lack of Property Rights

California's government also created the water crises by failing to define property rights for water. Without clearly defined and transferable property rights, the problem of "the commons" will always arise. If many people attempt to share some resource at little or no cost, then the incentive is to use up that resource as quickly as possible since none of the users has to bear responsibility for the loss.

California farmers sit over some of the largest groundwater deposits in the world. However, since the groundwater is commonly shared with others, farmers have an incentive to pump as much out on to their land as possible, thus creating the problem of "overdraft" -- like a group of children with straws in the same milk shake. Both farmers and the children have every incentive to use the resource before their neighbor does, thus quickly depleting the supply.

California Governor, Pete Wilson, has messianically joked that, "If I'm to fulfill my place in history, I'm going to have to learn how to make wine into water." Perhaps that's the problem: the government should stop trying to play messiah with the water and stick to its Biblical role of administering justice and defense.

But instead of dissolving the centralized system, California Senator John Seymour is already planning to appeal to the federal government for more subsidies, unemployment benefits for farmers, and low-interest loans for new wells.

Jason Peltier, manager of the Central Valley Project Association, invoking another Biblical image, declared that the only way out of the current water shortage is "forty days and forty nights of rain." Maybe he is saying more than he knows.

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Las Vegas is a creation of the federal government. The dam, the gambling monopoly. I read that Nevada was offered this monopoly if they would agree to be largely taken over by the feds. The Vegas skyline tracks well with the post-war expansion
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Las Vegas is a creation of the federal government. The dam, the gambling monopoly. I read that Nevada was offered this monopoly if they would agree to be largely taken over by the feds. The Vegas skyline tracks well with the post-war expansion
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Almost everything supposedly worthwhile does.

I was thinking about baseball last night. The money involved is ridiculous. And it's entirely unproductive. All "professional" sports are, as well as the money sports in college, which doesn't even pay its players. That's not even considering sports' use by jews in their White genocide strategy.

When did professional sports begin going parabolic until we've got the unwatchable, multi-billion dollar mess of today? The 60's. When did Las Vegas really start taking-off? The 60's. When did White civilization peak-out, as exemplified by the moon landings? The 60's.

It's a big X, with (most) everything worthwhile heading downhill, and the crap skyrocketing.
 
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Fuck you Americans are finished.
Do you mean "Fuck, you Americans are finished" or "Fuck you, Americans are finished" or what?

A little more punctuation would be a really good thing.
 
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Do you mean "Fuck, you Americans are finished" or "Fuck you, Americans are finished" or what?

A little more punctuation would be a really good thing.
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Old November 2nd, 2010 #10
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I read the article from the first link in this thread.

1) The NRDC is mentioned. (National Resources Defense Council)
They mentioned "sustainability" which is right from Agenda 21 of the UN. (Former poster Kievsky talks about sustainability- he is a leftist.)

"Effective execution of Agenda 21 will require a profound reorientation of all human society, unlike anything the world has ever experienced a major shift in the priorities of both governments and individuals and an unprecedented redeployment of human and financial resources. This shift will demand that a concern for the environmental consequences of every human action be integrated into individual and collective decision-making at every level."
- excerpt, UN Agenda 21

"Current lifestyles and consumption patterns of the affluent middle class - involving high meat intake, use of fossil fuels, appliances, air-conditioning, and suburban housing - are not sustainable. A shift is necessary which will require a vast strengthening of the multilateral system, including the United Nations."

Agenda 21 is not an environmental management policy, but an attempt to impose a global centrally planned quasi-government administered by the United Nations (jews-rr). Under Agenda 21 all central government and local authority signatories are required to conform strictly to a common prescribed standard and hence this is just communism resurrected in a new guise. Now that Agenda 21 has gained a stranglehold on global regulatory and planning processes Maurice Strong and his Club of Rome colleagues have moved on to the next phase of the Global Green Agenda.

http://green-agenda.com/agenda21.html

>>>It is estimated that water usage in the Orlando area will increase from 526 million gallons per day in 1995 to 866 million in 2020. On the city website, the mayor is quoted, saying: "Orlando Utilities Commission water usage trends show Orlando water demand exceeding the supply by approximately 2014 if no action is taken."

The economic understanding of some is enough to embarrass Mortimer Snerd. "Demand" is to rise from 526 to 866. That's not exactly what demand means in the economic sense.
Demand means- how much will be demanded at varying price levels. Supply means how much will be supplied at varying price levels.

The water level (amount) in a reservoir is called the "supply"- when used at a certain rate, all will be gone! Like one fine day all the oil will be "used up" and on that day all human activity will cease!

If there is "less"of something, the price is supposed to rise. This is called "supply and demand". THE PRICE RISE LEADS TO CONSERVATION AND THE SEARCH FOR SUBSTITUTES.

1965- the pivotal year. Fiat money ever since. Have cake and eat it too (guns and butter). Inflation leads to consuming capital. Money that formerly went into infrastructure goes to here-and-now expenses, with not enough remaining to fix the potholes. (With Prozac, potholes can be ignored)

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