UFOs: Tesla, Hitler and Von Braun

[FranzJoseph]

For anyone who has not discovered the book Pentagon Aliens by William Lyne, here's part of his own summary:

http://www.davidicke.net/tellthetrut.../ufo-pent.html

Some of the highlights:

1. An American citizen (naturalized), Nikola Tesla (an athiest and a capitalist), invented the flying saucer, before 1900, and reduced it to practice by 1915.

2. The American government helped the Nazis steal the invention from Tesla (who hated the Nazis),and by 1937, the Nazis were secretly developing it at Los Alamos, New Mexico (then called the "p2" project), under the direction of the Baron Wernher von Braun, who also collaborated in rocket research with Dr. Robert Goddard at Roswell, funded by the American Rocket Society (The Smithsonian Institution and the Guggenheim Foundation).

3. The American government later helped Wernher von Braun, the Nazis, and the Trilateral Commission and Illuminati (who still retain control) remove the "KT-p2" Projekt ("KT" is for "Kreisel-Teller" [German, for "Gyrating Plate"], and "p2" is the electronic designation for an "oscillating electromagnetic dipole") to Germany, after 1937.

4. The Nazis, who attempted to develop and use the flying saucer during the war (called "Foo-Fighters" by us, "Fireballs" and "Flying Turtles" by them), were unsuccessful in developing appropriate weapons for it until too late, and finally traded it back to us during the stalemate of 1945, in exchange for amnesty for numerous persons (including many war criminals), and for other concessions and guarantees (many of which are too numerous or incredible to mention here).

5. The U.S. government (N.S.A., O.S.I.), on behalf of the Trilateral Commission, continues with and enforces a Nazi-originated "Big Lie" program, in which it perpetuates the hoax that flying saucers ("U.F.O.s") are: (a) Extraterrestrial in origin; (b) psychological phenomena ("collective consciousness archetypal images", ala C. G. Jung); (c) swamp gas; (d) "free-floating plasmas"; (e) piezo-electric effects; (f) ball-lightning; (g) other natural phenomena; (h) unknown life forms; (i) hallucinations; (j) non-existent; (k)hoaxes by attention-seekers; (l)the products of hysteria, insanity, etc., etc.

6. The German navy surrounded the U.S. with 24 U-boats, armed with (V-6?) I.C.B.M.s, having celestial guidance systems, and armed with neutron bomb warheads, trained on key American cities and centers, in a 1945 stalemate; German Admiral Karl Doenitz negotiated a secret truce and amnesty agreement with American authorities, under which he was required to order all 24 U-boats "...scuttled, with all hands on board...", under the agreement, pursuant to which Nazi skippers opened the hatches and the subs and all men on board went to the bottom. Under Operation Paperclip, all Nazi scientific research materials, most of their important scientists, and the "KT-p2 Projekt" technology, were transferred to the U.S. and to the Trilateral Commission corporations, thus attempting to insure that the Illuminati would retain control of the materials. Certain unusual security procedures were initiated to insure this, including the "sacrificing" of some major German scientists to the Soviets, to plant misinformation, and to insure that the hoax was successful.

7. During the war, German scientists bypassed development of the "atom bomb", and built and tested the neutron bomb. German field marshall Erwin Rommel and the Afrika Korps were originally sent to North Africa to test the neutron bomb, as well as Tesla's "death ray" (which freezes whole armies); this technology was acquired by American corporations, held chiefly by David Rockefeller, and was later sold in part back to the U.S. government and tested in the '60s, and the same technology was again sold to the U.S. government again in the '70s and '80s, as "star wars" technology.

8. Over 15,000 German military, technical, intelligence, and support personnel were<...>

For much more, go to the above link.

[Antiochus Epiphanes]

didnt ernst z used to sell nazi ufo books? a good roundup of this sort of fantasy is Joyceln Goodwin's book entitled "Arktos." Kind of covers the Lovecraftian nexus too. LOL crinoid creatures etc. Hyperborea, all that jazz. light reading fiction.

[FranzJoseph]

Originally Posted by Antiochus Epiphanes

didnt ernst z used to sell nazi ufo books? ...

That he did. Lyne actually knows what he's talking about, though, and he's worth a look if a copy is nearby.

Lyne was an Ayn Rand objectivist who observed UFOs very early on (he's a New Mexican) and he noted the gulf between official statements and what he was seeing. He took extensive notes and studied a lot.

He notes that the CIA nearly destroyed him when he tried to go public at first. Sound familiar? When Trevor James Constable offered his evidence for what UFOs really were in 1975, the printing plant burned down!

Whether or not there is a Tesla connection remains the sticking point with lots of people who have seen the reality behind the Hollywood. In the opinion of more than a couple, Germany was capable of the stuff Lyne describes without any need of Tesla's notes.

However, Tesla is a subject for specialists too, since much of his work is now classified.

UFOs cover a deliberate area of security state malfeasance, as Jim Marrs has noted. When one agency of the US government manages to loose 2 billion dollars in a year without civilian oversight, it's clear something is going on the chiefs don't want us to know.

Till Washington tells the truth, I'm assuming people like Bill Lyne are at least part-right.

[Whirlwind]

I'm inclined to agree with FJ. Come on A.E., "light reading fiction"? From the guy trying to sell religion? If all this springs from the imagination, they at least have a damn fine gift of imagination. Occam's razor does not shred this info.

[Xuxalina Rihhia]

William Lyne is right, Flying Saucers are man-made electrogravitic flying machines. I have seen one up close in 1994, which was when I still believed in aliens from space. I no longer believe in extraterrestrials after reading that book! Also, a lot of what Mr. Lyne had said about government (his only minor error is the Holohoax) whether here in America or the world is right on the nose!

[MOMUS]

What did it look like? Where was it? Go on...

Originally Posted by Xuxa the White

William Lyne is right, Flying Saucers are man-made electrogravitic flying machines. I have seen one up close in 1994, which was when I still believed in aliens from space. I no longer believe in extraterrestrials after reading that book! Also, a lot of what Mr. Lyne had said about government (his only minor error is the Holohoax) whether here in America or the world is right on the nose!

[Steve B]

Originally Posted by Doppelhaken

Dude, I just bought one! It's only got 100 light years on the odometer, beryllium exterior, leather interior (of course). I'm thinking of putting those blindingly bright blue headlights on as an aftermarket item. You know, like the nigger drug dealers have. I plan to have the dopest whip in space.

LOL........................!!

[Intrepid]

Originally Posted by Doppelhaken

Dude, I just bought one! It's only got 100 light years on the odometer, beryllium exterior, leather interior (of course). I'm thinking of putting those blindingly bright blue headlights on as an aftermarket item. You know, like the nigger drug dealers have. I plan to have the dopest whip in space.

If I didn't know better, I'd say you're being sarcastic to Zulu. Why, just last month I saw several of just these very intergalactic cruisers down in Roswell. I would recommend you tuning in to Art Bell, then you would know none of the lighting systems are blue. Duh!

[MOMUS]

I'd like to hear more about what it looked like and where it was, please.

Originally Posted by Xuxa the White

William Lyne is right, Flying Saucers are man-made electrogravitic flying machines. I have seen one up close in 1994, which was when I still believed in aliens from space. I no longer believe in extraterrestrials after reading that book! Also, a lot of what Mr. Lyne had said about government (his only minor error is the Holohoax) whether here in America or the world is right on the nose!

[MOMUS]

Greetings, Xuxa the White. I noticed that you recently posted so I take the opportunity to remind you of my request for more information on your intriguing encounter. please describe what you saw. Where were you?

Originally Posted by Xuxa the White

William Lyne is right, Flying Saucers are man-made electrogravitic flying machines. I have seen one up close in 1994, which was when I still believed in aliens from space. I no longer believe in extraterrestrials after reading that book! Also, a lot of what Mr. Lyne had said about government (his only minor error is the Holohoax) whether here in America or the world is right on the nose!

[Aryan Lord]

Originally Posted by Antiochus Epiphanes

didnt ernst z used to sell nazi ufo books? a good roundup of this sort of fantasy is Joyceln Goodwin's book entitled "Arktos." Kind of covers the Lovecraftian nexus too. LOL crinoid creatures etc. Hyperborea, all that jazz. light reading fiction.

I wouldnt call it "light reading" and I wouldnt say it was "fiction" either.

[Hadding]

Originally Posted by FranzJoseph

For anyone who has not discovered the book Pentagon Aliens by William Lyne, here's part of his own summary:

http://www.davidicke.net/tellthetrut.../ufo-pent.html

Some of the highlights:



For much more, go to the above link.

US Government collaborating with Germany in 1937? Not likely. The Jews had already declared war in 1933. With the 20th-century reference to illuminati it becomes certifiably kooky. This belongs on shortwave.

[Kind Lampshade Maker]

[FranzJoseph]

There's a fairly persistent rumor that WWII Germany developed stealth. It beats the old faked "nazi UFO' pictures by miles:

[Kind Lampshade Maker]

[FranzJoseph]

KLM:

I guess, but neither of these pictures look like the ones I found two years ago, which I can't find now. (The earlier ones had no markings and were shaped even odder. The Russians found them in at an SS facility.)

Nick Cook covers all this in The Hunt for Zero Point. He provides no photos, but the SS was absolutely years ahead on stealth. I found that impressive. I used to think the V-rockets were all they were working on.

[Herman van Houten]

From the UFO Files...

1944: SECRETS OF THE
ANTARCTIC REICH

If you had been a Wehrmacht soldier at the bombed-out
railroad station in Poltava, a city in the Ukraine, during
the summer of 1942, you would have seen a very strange-
looking military unit on the march, heading for a waiting
passenger train.
The unit consisted of women, all of them blond and
blue-eyed, between the ages of 17 and 24, tall and
slender, their sensational figures encased in striking
sky-blue uniforms. Each woman wore an Italian-style
garrison cap, an A-line skirt with the hem below the knee,
and a form-fitting jacket with the insignia of the SS.
You might have thought the SS had recruited a platoon
of high-class call girls. But the truth was far stranger
than that. You would have been looking at Reichsfuhrer-SS
Heinrich Himmler's latest brainstorm--the Antarctische
Siedlungensfrauen (ASF).
The story actually begins in 1938, when the German
seaplane carrier Schwabenland sailed across the South
Atlantic, bound for Queen Maud's Land in Antarctica.
According to Russian ufologist Konstantin Ivanenko, "The
Schwabenland sailed to Antarctica, commanded by Albert
Richter, a veteran of cold-weather operations. The
Richter expedition's scientists used their large Dornier
seaplanes to explore the polar wastes, emulating Admiral
Richard E. Byrd's efforts a decade earlier. The German
scientists discovered ice-free lakes (heated by
underground volcanic features--J.T.) and were able to land
on them. It is widely believed that the Schwabenland's
expedition was aimed at scouting out a secret base of
operations."
A German base was established in the Muhlig-Hofmann
Mountains, just inland from the Princess Astrid Coast.
The area was renamed Neuschwabenland (German for New
Swabia) and "the base was known only as Station
211."
This shuffle was accomplished by a little-known
office of the SS called the Rasse und Siedlungshauptamt
(German for Race and Settlement Bureau--J.T.) or RuSHA.
In the Ukraine alone, RuSHA drafted 500,000 women for
forced labor in the munitions factories of Nazi Germany.
It was RuSHA which selected women for Himmler's unit
of Antarctische Siedlungensfrauen (German for Antarctic
Settlement Women) About half of the "recruits" were
Volksdeutsch--ethnic Germans whose ancestors had settled
in the Ukraine in the Seventeenth and Eighteenth
Centuries. The others were native Ukrainians whom RuSHA
had "upgraded" to full Aryans. This process was called
Eindeutschung (Translated: Germanization).
According to Ivanenko, "There is increased popularity
for the idea of a 'German-Slavonic Antarctic Reich.' It
is said that 10,000 of the 'racially most pure'
Ukrainians, out of half a million deported in 1942 by
Martin Bormann, were transported to the German Antarctic
bases during World War II, in the proportion of four
Ukrainian women to one German man."
If true, this would mean that Himmler transferred
2,500 Waffen-SS soldiers, who had proven themselves in
combat on the Russian front, to Station 211--now
Neuschwabenland--in Antarctica. This may be the source of
the myth of the "Last SS Battalion."
An ASF training camp was set up in Estonia, on a
peninsula near Ristna on Hiiumaa Island in the Baltic Sea.
It was a combination finishing school and boot camp, where
the ladies took lessons in charm and housekeeping along
with their courses in polar survival. Himmler kept the
camp's existence a closely-guarded secret. For "unhappy
campers," the only escape consisted of a one-way train
ticket to Auschwitz.
There is one known instance of an ASF
"deserter." In 1943, Auschwitz guard Irma Griese, 22, the
off-and-on girl friend of Dr. Joseph Mengele, took to
wearing a sky-blue ASF uniform, which she had scavenged
from a pile of inmate clothing. Griese was hanged in 1946
for war crimes. The uniform's original owner must have
had serious second thoughts about a permanent move to
Antarctica.)
The failure of Grossadmiral Karl Doenitz's U-boat
offensive by May 1943 freed up dozens of "milk cow" U-
boats. These were large submarines, almost as big as
tramp steamers, which Doenitz had used to supply his U-
boat "wolf packs" in remote seas of the world. Himmler
now put them to work carting supplies and personnel to
Antarctica.
Himmler's rationale for sending thousands of settlers
to Antarctica can only be understood within the context of
his mystic beliefs. As a result of his youthful reading
of New Age books, his association with the occultist Dr.
Friedrich Wichtl, and his membership in the Artamen,
Himmler became a believer in the Hindu concept of world-
ages or yugas. He believed that the current age, or Kali
Yuga, would end in a global cataclysm, thereby giving
birth to a new world-age called the Satya Yuga.
By sending a colony to Antarctica, Himmler was
ensuring that a remnant of the "pure Aryan race" would
survive the coming cataclysm with its society and culture
intact. They would then take possession of Antarctica
when the cataclysm melted the south polar ice cap.
According to believers, the Neuschwabenland colony
survived the end of World War II and Operation High Jump,
a battle with Admiral Byrd's Antarctic task force in the
summer of 1947.
Ivanenko writes, "The total population of Nazis in
Antarctica now exceeds two million and that many of them
have undergone plastic surgery in order to move about with
greater ease through South America and conduct all manner
of business transactions."
In 1969, author Michael X. Branton wrote a book
"alleging that the Nazis had managed to build rudimentary
flying saucers and transfer them to the Antarctic in
1944."
Ivanenko called the Antarctic Reich "one of the most
militarily powerful states in the world because it can
destroy the USA several times over with its submarine-
based nuclear missiles, remaining itself invulnerable to
U.S. nuclear strikes because of the two-mile-thick ice
shield" overhead.
The city of Neuberlin, the colony's capital, sprawls
through "narrow subglacial tunnels" under the mountain
range, heated by volcanic vents and adjoining the
prehistoric ruins of Kadath, which may have been built by
settlers from the lost continent of Atlantis well over
100,000 years ago.
Most amazing of the stories about Neuberlin is the
claim that, like Shambhala, the city has an Alien Quarter,
where Pleiadians, Zeta Reticulans, Reptoids, Men In Black,
Aldebarani and other visitors from the stars dwell.
Ivanenko reported that talk about the Antarctic Reich
is "becoming more and more popular" in Russia, Poland, the
Ukraine, Belarus and other countries in eastern Europe.
He writes, "In the May 10, 2003 issue of the (newspaper)
Frankfurter Allgemeine, Polish journalist A. Stagjuk
criticized Poland's decision to send troops to Iraq" to
assist with the Allied occupation. "At the end, he said,
'The next Polish government will sign a treaty with
Antarctica and declare war on the USA.'"
Ivanenko added that Stagjuk's words were broadcast on
the shortwave radio station Deutsche Welle the same week.
"Some analysts compared this sentence to famous code
phrases which started wars in the Twentieth Century, such
as ' Over all of Spain, the sky is cloudless' in 1936, and
'Climb Mount Niitaka' in 1941."
(Editor's Note: "Climb Mount Niitaka" was the signal
Admiral Yamamoto sent to Kido Butai, the Imperial Japanese
Navy's fleet, to begin the attack on Pearl Harbor.)
It is strange to think of a large population living
under the ice of Antarctica, totally divorced from the
"mainstream" world. Then again, there are Jivaro
indigenous people living on Lago de Yanayacu (lake), less
than 50 kilometers (30 miles) east of Iquitos, Peru, who
have never heard of Courtney Love.
So, is there a city under the ice inhabited by the
grandchildren and great-grandchildren of the original SS
settlers? Or is it just an urban legend stemming from the
chaotic conditions that prevailed in Europe during World
War II?
Some day we may know for certain. (See the books
Himmler by Peter Padfield, Henry Holt & Co., New York,
N.Y., 1990, pages 37, 68, 85 and 90; Hitler's Flying
Saucers by Henry Stevens, Adventures Unlimited Press,
Kempton, Illinois, 2003; Hitler's Heirs by Paul Meskil,
Pyramid Books, New York, N.Y., 1961, page 37; and Fate
magazine for June 2002, "Vostok: Lake of the Shadows" by
Scott Corrales. Many thanks to Konstantin Ivanenko for
allowing UFO Roundup to quote from his online article of
November 18, 2003.)

[Bob 88]

I picked up an interesting book in a secondhand bookshp recently entitled -
Last Talons Of The Eagle
Seceret Nazi technology which could have changed the course of WW11
By Gary Hyland & Anton Gill
Published by Headline in 1998

The book documents aircraft actally built by the Third Reich including jet fighters and helicopters.
One photograph is especially interesting, describes as the Gotha Go229 the aircraft bears a striking similarity to the Stealth bomber! I believe it is the same aircraft pictured in post 49.
There are several fascinating artist impressions of aircraft which were on the drawing board.