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More info on White Patriot Party
Glenn Miller has written a very good history of the White Patriot Party. He tells exactly how he built the organization and how the Jews and the Feds worked together to destroy it
Called, "A White Man Speaks Out", the 290 page soft-back book has photographs of WPP marches and activities and gives much detailed information about the WPP and other white movements in the US twenty years ago. Glenn also has a two-hour long VHS video tape which features live footage of WPP marches and rallies -- incredible full color marching scenes -- a best of the WPP video footage collection. Anyone who is interested in building a pro-white organization based upon street action and the standard NS model and method should read the book and watch the video. Learn what to do and what not to do. The book sells for $20 and the video for $25. Items can be ordered at PO Box 3861, Springfield MO 65808. Glenn can be reached at 417-258-7785 and enjoys discussing white activism with any serious persons. |
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Martin Lindstedt responds to Glenn Miller, ZOG informant and traitor, Part 1
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William Pierce started out under George Lincoln Rockwell, and wrote a Movement classic -- all of which took years to do. Likewise Pastor Butler, from his own money, started the political wing of the Dual-Seedline doxology called the Aryan Nations, and held congresses in the 70's, 80's, and 90's until it was time for ZOG to shut him down. Butler is well past his prime today, but in his prime was a made leader. Likewise with Louis Beam. Robert Matthews was with us only a short time, but died as a hero and Resistance soldier. David Lane started out Christian Identity and is imprisoned for 190 years in ZOG's dungeons. ( Lane is another of Miller's 'Order rats' which Miller, straining credibility, claims is 'responsible' for the contempt in which Miller is held as a liar, traitor, and ZOG informant. Give a ZOG informant $200,000 and it seems like you've made an enemy for life, right Miller?) David Duke started out as a pup and gave ZOG trouble for years, still does so today. All of these Resistance leaders have paid their dues, and still are today. All of them were but mortal men who have made mistakes -- big ones. But when the ZOG worm turned (not talking directly about you yet, Miller) they fought and bled and in some cases died with their boots on. Anyone saying any different is usually a second-rater envious of the percieved 'rewards' of being a point man, or a ZOGling stooge itself. My realtionship with Glenn Miller has had three stages. The first one was in July 2000, when I was running as a Reform Party candidate for US Senate, just before I got denounced by Pat Buchanan for 'racism.' http://www.martinlindstedt.org/ml102500.html I had just been given Miller's phone number after a California activist had arranged for me to appear on the Internet radio show of Pastor Dan John's 'By Yahweh's Design' in August 2000, just before the primary election. So I met up with Miller at 'Ma & Pa's Restaurant' in Monett, along with my common-law wife, and Miller wanted to pick up the tab. I said that he could pay for his own and we had already paid for ours. We made arrangements for Miller to visit me at my office in my mom's trailer at the foot of the hill from my rock house on the hill. Miller came to visit me in his small car -- I thought it was a Yugo -- and gave me a copy of his book and we went inside to my cluttered office. To my surprise, as soon as we sat down, me behind my new Celeron 500 computer and monitor that I had bought for $400 at Sam's -- a great deal at the time, Miller acted uneasy. Pretty soon Miller was gasping for breath as we talked about what he had done. With a croak, he gasped out, "If you read my book you will find out that I was an informant for the FBI, and in the witness protection program, but nobody went to prison for my testimony." Then he ran out of my office, outside, like a whipped dog. "What the Fuck? is going on here?" is what I thought. This sort of behavior was somewhat abnormal to my way of thinking. My dad was sent to Federal prison for running his mouth to the FiBbIes about wanting to shoot some thieving lawyer who had cheated us out of our inheritance, and this lawyer had made it to the South Dakota supreme kort. One deals with ZOG's piglice like the devil -- with a long spoon. This was the very first time I had ever talked to an open FBI informant. I wondered if it might be safer to stay indoors, but then again, FBI informants are the sort of low critter that you don't want nosing around the home place. Besides, even an enemy has the right to hospitality if you invite him in. That is one of the Laws of YHWH written on the Israelite's heart. So I went outside and asked Miller if he was allright. Miller was breathing normal again, and color had returned to his face. I forgot what we said, something about something polite. Miller asked me to read his book. I said that I would. Then Miller left, according to Miller it was in a Geo, not a Yugo. I contacted, via e-mail, Louis Beam and Katya Lane and asked if they knew anything about a 'Frazier Glenn Miller' and his little book. Boy, did they know all about Frazier Glenn Miller. They gave me an earful. I suppose there is something about being on trial, as at Ft. Smith, for the remainder of your natural life, that makes one remember the dirty ZOG dog that test-i-lied about you as part of a deal. After hearing this, I determined to not have anything to do with Frazier Glenn Miller. After all, as even the FiBbIes say, once a treasonous rat cocksucker, always a treasonous rat cocksucker. Even the FiBbIes despise, rightfully, their own lying rat informants. I think I shall, as Alex Linder had, finish this segment at my first encounter with Frazier Glenn Miller, and let people mull it over. In the second part, I shall cover why I put portions of Glenn Miller's book, at his own request, upon the Internet, with the blessing of Louis Beam and the opposition of Katya Lane. For now, homework shall consist of reading those portions of Miller's book, which first appeared on Xoom, a free Internet page, like Geoshitties, and which was placed back upon my own personal WWW page this past November, once I had space for it. http://www.martinlindstedt.org/llinks.html#regimeist A White Man Speaks Out by Glenn Miller is the book about someone rightfully exiled from the White Nationalist Revolutionary Resistance because he turned traitor and testified against members of the Old Resistance as part of his deal to get into the Federal Witness Protection Program. At one time, Miller had several hundred White Southern men marching in rallies in North Carolina. This book of Miller's is presented as a warning of how the Evil Empire will use weak people unwilling to pay the full price of being a member of a Revolutiony Resistance organization. http://www.martinlindstedt.org/gm_index.html http://www.martinlindstedt.org/copyrite.html <=== Copyright Feb. 7, 2001 This goes back a while before my third and final dealings with Frazier Glenn Miller. Miller has tried to rehabilitate his deserved reputation as a traitor since before 2000, and I have no intention of doing anything to aid Miller. I held my nose last month and asked him to do a political chore, warts and all, and I am grateful to YHWH that Miller blew up in my face when he did, rather than later when it would be too late. http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=2736 Anyone who is a friend or ally of Frazier Glenn Miller is no friend or ally of Louis Beam, David Lane or myself. Might as well become an open traitor and have done with it if you ASSociate with Frazier Glenn Miller, ZOG rat. I fail to see how anyone honest and legitimate can, upon reading Miller's own [usually] self-serving words can miss Miller's admissions and have anything other than contempt for Miller. After the first meeting with Miller, once I had heard from Miller's victims, I never had a second in which my flesh didn't crawl in dealing with this rat. I held my nose and Miller learned, from my own words on VNN and elsewhere, what I really thought of Miller at the same time I asked him to run for US Senate against Bullshit Kit Bond. That ended it, thank YHWH. You may think that you are working him when all the time ZOG is working Miller to get at you. --Martin Lindstedt Filed Republican Candidate for Governor of Missouri |
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March 26th, 2004 | #23 |
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What is the point?
Hey, LIndstedt, what is the point of all the overblown and viscious hyperbole regarding Glenn Miller. Why call the man a "cocksucker" for instance, along with all the other malicious, overblown invective? The only thing such language confirms is that you are a professional smear artist. A real propagandist. Just like a Jew.
As I said before, I knew Glenn personally. I admired the man. I joined his organization and I marched with him and worked for the same goals he did here in North Carolina. Just like all his other followers, I was crushed by the way things turned out. Saddened that Glenn cut a deal with the Feds to avoid the same fate as the Order members. But one has to put themselves in the position Glenn was in. He had a wife and about five small children to consider. Was Louis Beam, or Richard Butler or anyone else going to raise and provide for those children? Hell, no. Let's get real. There are circles of loyalty, all based upon the closeness of the genetic relationship one has with persons or groups. One's first loyalty is to one's own children and wife. One's second loyalty is to one's kinsmen. One's third loyalty is to one's tribe, and then comes loyalty to race. Now, fortunately for myself, I've never been in the situaiton that Glenn found himself in. Do you put movement comrades first and essentially betray your own children? Or do you put things in their proper order? I hate to say it, but I suspect I would attempt to do what Glenn did: insure the welfare of my own children and try to do no harm to my comrades in the process. It appears Glenn was successful in this. I was not at Ft. Smith or any other legal proceeding where Glenn was forced to testify as a witness. I don't know what he said on the stand. But as he points out, nobody he was ever ordered to testify against was ever convicted, so there must not have been much to his testimony. Perhaps Glenn really did beat the Devil at his own game. (I would be curious to hear from Louis Beam exactly what harm Glenn Miller has actually done to him.) And then I look at all the good the Glenn Miller has done for our cause. He woke up a shitload of people here in the Carolinas, and many of them are still working for our race today. And he totally radicalized what had passed for white racial activism here, changing it from the old Klan-Christian mentality to a much more modern National Socialist outlook. Really, I can think of no one person in this state who has done more to advance the interests of the white race than Glenn Miller has. No person before or since him has done even half as much. If one puts the good Glenn has done on one side of the balance scale, and one puts the bad on the other scale, then the good outweighs the bad fifty to one. Or let's consider Glenn's contributions in absolute terms. Put them on one scale. Then let's put Mr. Lindstedt's deeds on the other scale. How do you measure up to Glenn Miller? Like a piss ant measures up to a man, I suspect. You can talk all the trash you want to talk, Mr. But you ain't impressing anybody. Deeds speak louder than internet trash talk. |
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The kikeling karping of infilltraitor re-creators, Pt. 1
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The FBI calls their own 'rats' cocksuckers. Glenn Miller was one of ZOG's rats. Therefore, the FiBbIes would call Miller one of 'their' cocksuckers who can never be trusted. A traitor's only loyalty is to hisself. The truth, as admitted to by Glenn Miller hisself, is that he was a coward who ran out on his comrades at Greensboro, collected $200,000 from the Order, betrayed David Lane, testified against all of the fighting Resistance on behalf of ZOG, was in the Witness Protection Program, and is now demanding re-entry back into the Movement. Insofar as I am concerned, jewbergjewberg, with your idiotic lies about how you can be both David Lane's friend and apparrent condoning of Miller are a jew or whigger coward and traitor jewrself. And what is my point? I want this yellow dog to figure out that even if he gets back within the Movement that just like in my mom's trailer house that he can't afford to spend a second alone with any White man for fear of getting executed. I want you mangy jews and feds and ZOGling 'friends' of Glenn Miller to show yourselves so that you too shall live in fear for the 'Day of the Rope.' That is exactly my point. The Resistance neither forgives nor forgets, and the Sword must cleanse our House first, if we are to prevail. I'd say that I am gaining my point, given that a yellow dog like yourself must impotently whine at the door. If you do win, and get Glenn Miller back into the Movement so that he can do new 'tricks,' what will it avail jew? jew agents provacateur really perform a sort of darwinian service to our Movement by removing and culling the Movement herd of degenerates and fools. Quote:
It is a pity that you, whoever you are, were not CRUSHED enough. Perhaps if you were placed in a ZOG dungeon and raped up the ass by niggers for the next 190 years or so thanks to Glenn Miller and Miller's ZOG lies, you would be 'saddened' a whole lot more than you profess to be now. Quote:
Self-loyalty has no place in the Resistance, any more than mercy for the lives of traitors or their spawn. That's why the Identity portion of it ALWAYS asks the non-Identity portion of the Movement as to what motivates them. We are religious fanatics, well able to do anything and everything to bring back Christ. As long as anyone claiming to be Identity acts within the parameters of YHWH's Law, we need not ask as to their motivation. It is the a-theists and agnostics and jew-age heathens seeking out their own personal solipsism that we must question, as to what drives them. What do they really believe that shall make them do what must be done for the survival of our race? Nobody, not even ZOG, put a gun to Glenn Miller's head and made him a Movement leader. Nobody, not even ZOG, made Glenn Miller 'cut a deal' with Moreass Dees. Nobody, not even ZOG, made Glenn Miller accept $200,000 and then betray the Order. Nobody, except maybe ZOG, is making Glenn Miller try to make a comeback into the Movement, if for no other reason than to collect new pelts. I despise anyone mentioning a dog like Glenn Miller in the same breathe as Heros of the Resistance like Louis Beam and Richard Butler. I inquire about their motives, and I do so ruthlessly, in hopes of using their self-idolatry to winkle them out, for their destruction. The Resistance is fueled by revenge, and a 99-octane fellow traitor would barrel our train for a couple more miles. Quote:
This is the same crap that Glenn Miller peddles. "I was in the Witness Protection Program and I testified against my friends, but no one was hurt by what I said." Now where did I first hear that shit? OK, now I remember. Glenn Miller gasped it out when he ran like a dying pneumatic dog out of my mother's trailer house sometime in late July of 2000 when he was scared that some unknown White man might have known all about him. Perhaps when I was sitting in front of my computer in my office the name of Louis Beam might have come up. 'Danger, Glenn Miller, Danger!' Glenn Miller acts like Moreass Dees whenever the name 'Louis Beam' comes up. Maybe in the future I should brew up some holy water, say Louis Beam's piss, and hurl it on suspected ZOG informants. C'mon and take a sip, jewberg2. Quote:
Let' measure the 'bad' -- what jewberg2 would call 'good.' Glenn Miller became a ZOG rat, test-i-lied against David Lane, much of the surviving Order, the leading warriors of Christian Identity like Richard Butler and Louis Beam, all of ZOG's leading Resistance foes in trial after trial. And since Glenn Miller was the very epitome of drunken degenerate whigger trash and a professional liar as well, some people got off. Funny, I don't recollect any of them thanking Miller for his 'services.' Now Miller is sending out packets of information on a retired truck driver's salary. ( I wonder what happened to the Order money? Perhaps it is a ZOG slush fund for the purpose of buying glennmillers.) And critters like jewberg2 show up, wanting access to the Movement. Usually ZOG informants in the Witness Protection Program have the good sense to never appear again, but not Glenn Miller. Glenn Miller wants back into the Movement. And Glenn Miller doesn't like anyone standing in his or ZOG's way. Hence this forum thread. Nothing of a factual nature said by myself hasn't already been admitted to by Miller, the jewsmedia, Moreass Dees 1, jewberg2, and a long series of jewspaper clippings and books. Yet Miller, predictably, calls our Resistance POWs "Order rats" because as he claims, they were going to rat him out if he didn't take the deal offered. I can't believe that the Movement is still so very stupid. But if they are, then let them be destroyed by the ZOG lies they choose to believe. YHWH's punishment for weak-minded White idiots believing the lies of the spawn of Satan is to be destroyed by the lies of the spawn of Satan. End Part 1 --Martin 'Mad Dog' Lindstedt Malleus Miller & Order-'rat' www.martinlindstedt.org |
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The kikeling karping of Movement in-fill-traitor re-creators, Pt. 2
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Insofar as what jew want to call me, jewbergjewberg, jew are at liberty to ASSume that I am on the side of the 'Order-rats' like David Lane, even though Lane long ago left Christian Identity. The measure of a man is by his works. Lane is a racial loyalist and moral absolutist. Glenn Miller is a coward, liar and traitor. Let all us be judged by the company we keep. --Martin 'Mad Dog' Lindstedt Malleus Miller & Order-'rat' www.martinlindstedt.org |
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Send your ZOG-bux today to Miller/Dees/ZOG Productions
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You might also view giving Miller money and listening to Miller's self-serving lies as pissing on the graves and memories of the Heros of the Resistance such as Robert Matthews, David Lane, Louis Beam, Robert Miles, Richard Butler, and many, many more Resistance activists. You will get your reward for this behavior in this lifetime as well. Why not simply send a donation to Moreass Dees and the ADL as well while you are about it? That way you can confirm twice that you are a Movement idiot and help them keep their lists current. If you want to read, for free, exerpts from 2001 that was all that I had the stomach to recreate with Miller's own permission, go to: http://www.martinlindstedt.org/gm_index.html and read it free for yourself and spare yourself the hassle of sending ZOGbux and getting on ZOG's mailing list. Don't worry about Glenn Miller getting paid. The Order gave him $200,000 and ZOG put him in the Witness Protection Program and wants Miller back into the Movement and is underwriting all costs. Your tax ZOG-bux at work. The rate of pay has gone up for these wretched critters from the standard 30 pieces of silver. --Martin Lindstedt Republican Candidate for Governor of Missouri www.martinlindstedt.org |
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Funny, I remember who said them 14 Words. Why, it was none other than David Lane. The same David Lane that Frazier Glenn Miller testified against as part of the Federal Witness Protection Program. The very same David Lane that Miller calls a 'Order rat' to justify Miller's wanting to get back into the Movement and testify again. Let's look at a chapter in Miller's cumback book, "A Race-Traitor Squeals Out", er, "A Whigger Mamzer Squeaks Out," er, well, I just can't repeat Miller's lying title because my throat chokes up whenever I try to repeat that lying treasonous shibboleth. Let's look at a freebie, the Glenn Miller authorized Internet [s]edition of 2001. http://www.martinlindstedt.org/gm_index.html Fable of Contents: Chapter 10 -- The $200,000 Donation Chapter 11 -- Hiding Out A Murderer of David Berg Ain't that gratitude for jew? Give Glenn Miller 200,000 ZOG-bux and get in return accommodations for a day or so and then after getting a dime laid on you being called a 'murderer' of some jew. The Order in general and David Lane in particular would have been a lot better off just staying at the Motel 6, if you were to ask me. By the way, the 'Murderer of David [jew]Berg' was none other than Glenn Miller's 'Order-rat' David Lane as well. But that is to be expected. If David Lane were to get out, all pumped up on Wodenism, the very first traitor to face the Iron Eagle would be Glenn Miller. Glen Miller's pet jew collabortraitor, jewbergjewburg2 wouldn't rate much more than a backhanded battleaxe swipe. But I am troubled by Miller's characterizing a process of delousing vermin like the jewBerg#1, as 'murder.' Is it murder to poison a rat? Or trap the rat with a bit of brown cheese or 200,000 ZOGbux and just happen to leave it in the baitpan of a set Victor rat trap and letting their necks be broken by their own greed? Or turn a terrior[ist] loose upon the rats? Some 'offense.' Glenn Miller ought to peddle his apologia to Hebewood, and as a comedy about stupid inbred whigger trash shitting all over theysselfs. Call it 'RatRace2' or something appropriate. The Resistance will not be amused. --Martin Lindstedt Malleus Miller |
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March 27th, 2004 | #28 |
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Response to Glenn Miller (Rounder)
I'm glad to see old friends like you and Edberg jumping in here on the VNN Forum. It had been getting a little boring around here lately. I'm not sure what the problem is that Lindstadt has with you, Glenn, but it has the smell of a territorial issue since he's just 40 miles down the road from you.
Sometimes these "internal" flareups are useful since they tend to clear the air and get people off the fence on certain issues, usually avoided, that are brought to a head like this. I, for one, being familiar with the players and the arguments, and having read your book, Glenn, will side with you and Edberg almost completely in this discussion of you. Lindstadt is flat out wrong! It's interesting that both you and Lindstadt were once supporters of the professional smear artist Harold Covington at one time in your racist careers (you, over twenty years ago, and Lindstadt, quite recently) and that you both came to eventually see what a lying fraud he is. Lindstadt is simply wrong again with this unprovoked attack on you in this thread, no matter that he claims to link himself and his views to Louis Beam, David Lane, etc. in attacking Frazier Glenn Miller. Lindstadt's vicious personal attack on Edberg for merely having nice things to say about you is transparent, is indicative of sinister ulterior motives on his part, and only makes his attacks on you weaker and less convincing. I now tend to believe that Lindstadt IS, in fact, as you say, as big as a house and that his momma's trailer is a rat's nest that smells like piss. I believe you. You have always taken care to tell the truth. It's a shame to see a public debate get down to that level, but Lindstadt asked for it. I've had to hold my breath in such a stinking home before, too, and had to de-ass the area post haste, as you did, before I puked. When he foolishly attacks an honorable personal friend like Edberg here, a man who asked me to be the best man at his wedding, with such unsubstantiated filth as I just read, then he should be expected to hear from those who recognize his smears as such and be answerable for them. Don't be defensive, Glenn; You've told your story and don't need to keep backing it up. It is certain that something stronger and more effective than we've ever had before for the White resistance will emerge from the sorry mess we see ourselves in now. For one thing we MUST remain a White racist resistance, NOT a Xian movement, not even one based on Lindstadt's "dual seedline" bullshit. The one thing that impressed me the most from the honest accounting, warts and all, of your story, Glenn, was the way you had graduated from the ridiculous, admittedly expedient Identity Xian basis for our White Patriot Party to actually repudiate it as Jewish and fraudulent and part of the problem, not of the solution. THAT is a great leap! You promoted Dr. Pierce and National Vanguard Books in your book as the way for people to start on a path of racial renewal. That was good, when I first read it about three or so years ago, when Dr. Pierce was still alive. To steer new people to send money to Erich Gliebe and the "new NA" these days, however, when the Alliance leadership have taken such a departure from what Dr. Pierce believed and promoted, is questionable. The latest update of Who Rules America? was 2001, I believe. There is NO excuse for that, or for so much of the other stuff that is coming out, or not coming out of the new, kinder, gentler, National Alliance. I just saw where Alex Linder republished in VNN Letters section (3/24, I believe) an assault on biological racists by Harold Covington in favor of White racist worshippers of the Jewish tribal god, Yahweh. That's the natural division -- biological racists vs. Xian patriots -- that Covington has always exploited as he maliciously attacked the more competent biological racist leaders like Dr. Pierce, Ben Klassen and Tom Metzger to attract people like Lindstadt who agreed with him about such blasphemers as us. I also was recently reading Alex's chapter in "One Sheaf, One Vine" whereby he freely declares that he likes to hear all sides of an issue, then let people make up their own minds. I disagree with this approach, but, then, VNN is not my Web site; it's Alex's. I'm from the old school of propaganda where the first rule is that you never give the enemy a platform to attack you in YOUR own venue; to do so only confuses and demoralizes your own constituency and gives aid and comfort to that enemy. Glenn, you know now that you must give your followers a consistent message based on truth, not lies. Covington is a well-documented enemy of the Nature-based, rational White resistance, and I am glad to see him exposed as being in the Xian camp, even though I know for a fact that he hates Xianity and has nothing but contempt for Xians. Covington was the first person I ever heard use the term "dead Jew on a stick" to describe Jesus, the Christ, yet I read in Alex's VNN Letters section where Covington ascribes, unopposed, this term of his own origin to those he attacks. I expect that there are many VNN readers who will believe Mr. "Big Lie" Covington as a result of Alex's policy to let everyone -- even confirmed professional liars and smear artists -- speak. Covington would have fit in nicely at the American Renaissance conference last month with all the other "kinder, gentler racists" I saw there who are abandoning Dr. Pierce's long-term strategy for the more Xian-friendly "big tent" of unity. Stick by your guns and be consistent. Don't fall into "umbrella of unity" trap, Glenn. If you'll only seek and hold the hard line there are those who will assist you to fill the *REAL* void left by Dr. Pierce's death. I think it's these words from your book that may be one of the reasons Lindstadt attacks you, though he stays away from this topic: "Today [Xianity] is little more than a crutch for cowards; an escape from reality and from personal responsibility...Every book in the Bible, except one, was written by Jews, which explains, among other things, why the Bible says the Jews are God's chosen people. If I'd written the thing, my people would be the chosen ones...Love your enemies. Turn the other cheek. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. What a brilliant recipe to enslave the shabbooz goyim." You stepped all over Lindstadt's toes with that sort of talk, believe me. I don't really care what your detractors say, Glenn, you are an asset to the cause. There is much our people can learn from your common sense outlook and you experiences organizing White folks. You have grown and evolved positively and your worldview has matured honestly over the year, as it should, even though you knew you would lose some Xian supporters by coming out and taking a courageous, if unpopular, stand against Xianity as an opposing ideology to White survival. For all the mistakes you made back in the 1980's (and freely admit to now, I might add) you woke up men like me and Edberg, put us together, emboldened us, mobilized us, brought us along and introduced us to other serious activists. We carried on as best we could after you were imprisoned and our party was made illegal by JOG. We and some of the other most serious former WWP activists eventually, naturally, logically, found Dr. Pierce and joined our efforts with his. I think you will be welcomed back to the Carolinas, your home, soon enough. If I could give you one bit of advice, howerver, it would be for you to reflect further and assess where our overall resistance is today and where it should go. Next time we must do it right! No bullshit lies about how we're the "Adamic race," the true Israelites of the Jew Bible and all that Yashua/Elohim Jewish doubletalk that's geared for the gullible and the superstitious can be the foundation for fighting for the White race. You already know this. Narrow your focus by first recognizing and acknowledging the internal struggle of the movement, this inevitable biological White racist viewpoint, as represented by Dr. Pierce vs. the contradictory Xian patriot viewpoint, as promoted by those you have also been supporting with your shotgun approach (Dr. Ed Fields, David Duke, Willis Carto -- none of whom would openly support your newfound dim view of Christinsanity. The "new" National Alliance, under Erich Gliebe, not to mention the White Revolution crowd led by mostly ex-NA members, who should know better, are aligning their organizations with the conservative, Xian right wing and away from Dr. Pierce's hard line, rather than offend Xians by pointing out the Jewish origins of their "faith." All the better, I say, for someone who wants to attract the kind of independent-minded, responsible, no nonsense White people that Dr. Pierce was able to attract to his organization with the unvarnished truth. Welcome to the internet, Glenn! And best wishes to Marge and the kids. Will White Williams - Raleigh NC |
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I see Lindstedt's motivation, too
Will, you certainly hit the mark with your analysis of Lindstedt. As I was reading his comments (before I read your own) I was struck by his intense loyalty to his religion, his religious beliefs, rather than a true loyalty to race.
I recall years ago in the WPP there was another very charismatic leader: Steve Miller, the chaplain of the organization. Steve was the Peter Fonda -- the Captain America -- of that organization. Steve just dripped pure cool, much like Fonda did in the Easy Rider movie, and everybody wanted to be around Steve. But what an ideological mix Steve was! He was half Nazi and half Christian Identity. He was able to hold these two conflicting worldviews at once with no seeming problem. As a result, new members, such as myself, would join the organization, and within a year's time they would either become Identiy or National Socialists. But we all got along great, happy brothers we were. Ideology didn't seem to be a serious problem for us in those days. It was trumped by the sense of comradeship we shared. And perhaps because we saw that Steve had no problems with the ideological conflcts, so why should we. I played with the Identity thing for a year or so. It was natural since I was raised in a fundamentalist Baptist home. But two things eventually convinced me to give up my adherance to Christian Identity: 1. There is no sound foundation for the religion to rest upon; while a rock solid scientific and biological foundation exists for a total race-based (ie. National Socialist type) pro-white movement; and 2. I have always found those activists who based their beliefs upon the scientific, evolutionary, Darwinistic, Nazi-style, ideology championed by men like Rockwell and Pierce to be far more impressive than the leaders and followers within the Christian Identity crowd. You run into guys like Lindstedt and Covington -- con artists -- preaching to the christian racists. You run into straight shooters like Will Williams and William Pierce who base their actions and beliefs upon pure rationalism. And the rank-and-file followers tell the talke, too. Nazis are just more honorable people, I have found, and can be better trusted. Christians -- whether Judeo-Christians or Identity Christians -- I have found to be suspect characters. If they will lie to themselves, they will lie to others. If they reject fact for fantasy and have an apetite for crap... well, don't put your trust in them. And again, I've learned and observed these lessons over years of experience. Just look at the foul distortions that Lindstedt used against me. He accused me of putting self first, when clearly I never said such a thing. I said a man's first loyalty is to his own children and his wife (their mother). To me this is a no brainer, very basic and instinctual. You do not sell out or betray your own children, and any leader or movement that asks you to do such a thing should be rightly shunned. I have to wonder if Lindstedt has any children to worry about. Perhaps he doesn't, and if that's the case maybe he just can't imagine the conflict it would put a man in to know that his children might be left homeless and hungry because of a conflict of interest he had with some "movement" buddies. Lindstedt also accuses me of trying to promote Glenn Miller back into the leadership ranks of the white movement. Well, clearly I have not done that at all in any of my posts regarding Glenn. As Glenn will tell anyone, his glory days are gone. He is an old man now. He could not lead an organization like the WPP again even if he wanted to. He's a retired geezer. Let's get real here. My whole point was that Glenn did some amazing things 20 years ago, things that activists today should study and learn from. Glenn deserves credit where credit is due. Why does Lindstedt have a problem with acknowledging the very laudable accomplishments of Glenn Miller and instead only wants to focus on his mistakes -- and with great and malicious delight. What motivates a person to act in such a way, if indeed he wants to see our race get out of the mess we are now in. I suspect Lindstedt has indeed been spending too much time with Harold Covington, that other fat-assed would be furher who despised Miller so much because Glenn succeeded magnificently where Covington failed repeatedly. Again, my only message here is that today's white activists and would-be leaders would be wise to study the techniques, tactics and strategies of all significant white activists who have preceeded them, Frazier Glenn Miller included. Miller's accomplishments have been unique, and they are worth noting and worth study. As regards myself, I have no ambitions or plans to play any significant role as a leader or prominent activist in the struggle for the white racial cause now or in the forseeable future. I'm happily married. I have three children, and my main focus in life right now is them. There are more than enough leaders and would be leaders in our "movement" right now without me wasting my time trying to elbow the likes of Lindstedt out of the limelight. But I will try to set the record straight on any issue that I have some personal knowledge or insight into, as I do regarding F. Glenn Miller. |
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I believe globalism and outsourcing of jobs will prove a good thing for us in the years just ahead, especially now that many white-collar and professional type jobs are going to Asia.
We have always had a problem recruiting the better elements of our race because they have always been able to keep their noses above the rising tide of mult-racialism in the US. There has always been a demand for their brains and skills, so exceptional whites could always afford to opt out of the Jews' social experiment. Well, that appears to be changing. Unfortunately, nobody has been able to build much of a white movement or organization with the lower-class whites, the ones most afflicted by blacks and Mexicans. These people are too stupid, undisciplined and cowardly to build a revolution with. That's been the dilemma the Klan has been faced with over the past 40 years. The lower-class whites in western North Carolina are an especially miserable bunch. Dumb as rocks, gullible, mindless, love niggers and Mexicans to death, and just pickled in funnymentalist Baptist beliefs. Virtually all the lower-class white women are fat as hogs, loud-mouthed, very promiscuous and seem delighted with the idea of sex with the small minority of blacks in this area. Half-breed children are everywhere -- especially at the local Wal-Mart. Most of these women make a sudden switch from being whores to being religious nuts at about the age of 35, the age when they become so repulsive that even the blacks want nothing to do with them. Perhaps they are the products of too much hill-billy inbreeding. This lower class of whites is rapidly sinking into absolute economic and racial degredation. Their mill and furniture factory jobs have gone, and the young women are eagerly jumping into the black-Latino melting pot. The local "spirit-filled" churches are the place where most of this mixing of the lower-class whites and non-whites takes place. There are some high quality whites around. And I suspect that in the coming years some of them may become racially awakened after they realize that the economic opportunities that have kept them a level above the lower-class whites are disappearing, and their alternatives will be to either slide into the mass of poor and ignorant mix breeds or resist, which will require radicalization. Attacting and retaining these better-bred whites will require strategies unlike anything the white movement has come up with in the past. It will require an unabashed appeal towards a sense of elitism. Preaching Jesus -- any kind of Jesus -- won't get the job done. The Jesus cult is and will remain the opiate of the underclasses. This is something that William Pierce understood long ago, that any attempt to build a white revolution that paid lip service to Jesus was doomed to failure. |
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I'd like to hear more from Mr. Miller on how he went about building that first unit. Did you decide on 100 as the minimum for street activity? Why? Where did you come across these? What did you teach them? Where did you train them? Can someone without a military background assemble such a group?
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That's interesting. Covington has never been a street activist. He can't possibly show up in public around a bunch of legitimate racists without getting a royal ass whippin', at the least. Yet when you were hauled off to prison and the WPP was banned by JOG in 1986, who should slither back to NC with his own newly-formed Southern Nationalist organization to fill the void left by the banned WPP. (He did his "regional nationalism-of-the-month" thing again, going after a whole new set of suckers with his "Butler Plan" for a NW migration, after Pastor Butler's demise. What a phony!) I met Covington in 1987 when we both were then living here in Raleigh. He had NOTHING good to say about you, Glenn, only the worst of unnecessary smears of you in a rather lame, transparent attempt to try and make himself look good to your followers. I soon learned he has nothing good to say about anyone who is effective. His Confederate National Congress/Dixie Press flopped in a matter of months, like all his projects flop once folks figure out what a lying fraud he is. |
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I doubt that I've put on over 15 pounds since Miller last seen me in July 2000. Today I weigh around 245-255 lbs on a 6' 2" frame. I am not grossly obese for a man 46 years old. Anyone able to look for himself should be able to tell that I am not small, but not grossly fat either. So why does Miller lie about something he knows nothing about? Must be force of ZOG habit. Miller routinely lied on the witness stand against the Order and Identity activists. Miller was such a liar that even a ZOG jury at Ft. Smith didn't believe a single word. That is why they found the men Miller lied about not guilty. Of course, idiots and fellow liars within the Movement are ever-ready to believe whatever one of their own, like Glenn Miller says, regardless of what is said or proven. Anyone who wishes to see what I looked like in mid-November 2003 is welcome to go look at my 'Oafishul' family portrait for my run for Governor of Missouri and see for themselves whether I've reached the 400 lb mark: http://www.martinlindstedt.org/md4gov04.html Quote:
http://www.martinlindstedt.org/copyrite.html Miller can't help but lie, just like the spawn of Satan, even though truth would serve him better. For the past three years I have tried to hide my distaste for this traitor and coward in the interest of showing, like I mentioned with Louis Beam and Katya Lane, that the Resistance is no place for weaklings, drunkards, dopers, liars and cowards to occupy positions of power and authority because all ZOG has to do is lean on the weakling and the entire position will fall. Miller is a liar, coward and traitor according to his own words. And to show how little Miller thinks of this Forum's reader's intelligence, since Miller admits that excerpts of his book has been on my WWW page for over three years, yet 'never thought of putting his book on the Internet until six weeks ago, then what is the beef about not getting money for something he never thought about? Miller has never been able to support his Paytriot Party through contributions from those who supposedly are 'blessed' by it. It takes ZOG-bux for Miller to do his thang. ZOG-bux from Miller's 'Order rats' and 'murderers of jew Alan Berg' and ZOG-bux from ZOG to pay for Miller to go on a littering campaign. Miller has never set up anything other than a parasitic campaign, funded by others, not a genuine political party. Miller has never worked from the grass-roots up, but rather accepted ZOG-bux, and then 'turned' on his alleged benefactors. Some of you idiots on this Forum seem to have no capacity for higher reasoning. Let's say, for the sake of argument that all of Miller's lies were true -- that I weigh 400 lbs, live in a trailer-house, and like Tubby Covington, am insanely jealous that Miller is going to get another 300 of you idiots marching down the streets of Springfield, or Monett or Aurora or Granby Missouri -- then what of it? How does any of Glenn Miller's self-serving bullshit about how he thinks that the Order was about to rat him out to ZOG justifies Miller's becoming a ZOG perjurer and test-i-liar at 'sedition trials' against the Old Resistance justify his actions? They don't. Glenn Miller can copy and mail out the same old tired literature from the time of George Lincoln Rockwell to William Pierce, stuff which didn't stop ZOG for a second back when it was relevant 50 or 40 or 30 or 20 or 10 years ago. But I sure would want to know where all the money for this is coming from, especially given Glenn Miller's past criminal and treasonous history. Glenn Miller was a coward, a liar, and a traitor by his own admission back in 1979 at Greensboro. Miller took $200,000 in money from the Order, and then ratted them out. Today Miller claims that Resistance POWs who fought the fight are 'rats' because he thought that they couldn't pull a Glenn Miller on Glenn Miller fast enough so that he is justified in lying and perjuring against them. Robert Matthews, David Lane, the entire Order, both Identity and Wodenist, Louis Beam, Richard Butler, Robert Miles -- all of these Heros of the Resistance not only were perjured against by this traitor, but their deeds are dishonored by a rat claiming that they were rats, that Miller merely out-ratted them first. Every Revolution needs heros. Instead, what we have are feebs wishing to welcome traitors back into the fold. Some, like jewbergjewberg2 because it is similar to Glenn Miller and a supporter of such. Some, like Will Williams, who would rather ZOG win if only Christianity, in all of its forms, especially Identity, must fail. Billy Roper must fail for no other reason than because he wishes to associate with Richard Butler. Their only god is theysselfs. In these days, especially within the Movement, every fool shall have say, and his forum, and I suppose that this is the nature of things given the end times. But any Movement which honors and believes its traitors and the-m-asses of self-serving Internet rabble is a Movement which shall fail. If I am a liar, then what do you lose? Full enjoyment of the free litterature Glenn Miller sent you, funding unknown, and a sense of thanks that Miller, and presumably ZOG, knows where you live? On the other hand, if I am telling the truth, trusting your lying eyes to archived evidence, especially Miller's writings, than a failure to have anything to do with Miller might have no more adverse consequences than your not facing him testilying against you on behalf of ZOG to put you away in a ZOG gulag for a couple of decades. If I am a liar, then you lose nothing other than the time it took you to read this. If you believe Miller, you might end up like these Resistance Heros, on trial for their lives, if you were any threat to ZOG, which most of you are not. This Movement has tens of thousands of consumers of what I call net-nutzi porno cranked out free over the Internet. Most of them, on this Forum like most forums, are no danger to ZOG or anyone other than theysselfs. The actual leadership of effective lieutenants and sub-lieutenants of known Resistance groups is less than 500 people. Much of the listserver membership is pimply-faced. I'd say that at least a third of the audience are ZOG spies. In the mid-80's ZOG tried to decapitate the Old Resistance leadership, and weak degenerate critters like Frazier Glenn Miller were their tools. The time was not right back in 1987 for ZOG to succeed at Ft. Smith. Today, ZOG is searching for Resistance talent. The underground talent is harder to track. The Resistance political aboveground talent is much easier to track, if by nothing else than our writings. I am angered that so many people who should know better immediately forget whatever it is that they supposedly learned about internal security that they would let an open traitor from the past worm his way into their soft followers. Glenn Miller won't destroy anyone who doesn't believe him. Frazier Glenn Miller actually performs a darwinian task for us by destroying the weak, stupid, gullible and unwary. But at what unnecessary cost. --Martin 'Mad Dog' Lindstedt Republican Candidate for Governor of Missouri www.martinlindstedt.org |
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Now I say that this is true. Louis Beam and Katya Lane didn't act surprised to hear of Miller's cowardice. So they believed me as well. So let's see. My word believed by Louis Beam and David Lane's wife against the word of a caught liar and professional ZOG perjurer and traitor believed by 666 Internet net-nutzis. I've offered and had accepted my mother's trailer's hospitality several times over the years. I've never heard a complaint until Miller had to explain his conduct. Miller likes to pretend that it was a judge and Moreass Dees who has made him an 'exile' from the Movement. That is a lie. It is Miller's being unable to stay alone with any White man without thinking that he might be killed in that man's home for his treason and have that man claim self-defense that makes Miller an exile. I must admit that much of my enjoyment concerning Miller is that Miller is such a coward that Miller can't do ZOG's work without ZOG's protection. Miller's approach, at least until now, has been a whining approach, that he simply had no other choice but to turn traitor. I suppose that Miller's ZOG handlers, who have the hooks in him, have Miller on a quota system, so that Miller has no choice but to snarl like a cornered rat about my blocking Miller from future success. If Miller really wants to see me, then Miller can make an appointment to come to my house -- or better yet, my mother's trailer, and tell all and sundry about how he intends to assault me. As I look at it, it will be a matter of self-defense. Exactly what I think run through Miller's head that afternoon in July 2000. Miller is welcome to attend his little showdown in any public place whenever he pleases. Maybe more than ZOGlings will attend to see who's cumming for Miller. Quote:
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After Glenn Miller left my cluttered office in my mother's trailer, what with his gulping about how his book detailed his story of turning informant and being in the Witness Protection program and how everyone he ratted out none of them went to prison for his testimony, and upon my getting off of being stunned for a moment, then seeing Miller in his Yugo or Geo off, I immediately went back to my office and sat down and read Miller's book's chapter headings. Then I immediately composed an e-mail to Louis Beam and Katya Lane -- did they know about one Frazier Glenn Miller? I suspected that they did, after all, Chapter 11 was entitled, 'Hiding Out A Murderer of David Berg.' http://www.martinlindstedt.org/gm_index.html I got back a response quick enough. They most certainly had heard of Frazier Glenn Miller. That was the ZOG dog that testilied against Louis Beam and David Lane at Ft. Smith. They had no love for Frazier Glenn Miller or anyone who would take his side. Louis Beam gives out no interviews to the jewsmedia. After Timothy McVeigh was convicted, MSNBC and CNN wanted to get the perspectives of the militia movement and contacted me after Louis Beam said to contact me for an interview. MSNBC and one of its journalists, Alan Boyle, who now works for their Tech section interviewed me by e-mail and then by phone, along with Norm Olson and John Trochmann. Beam found no problem with my work. He introduced me to Katya Lane on the basis of an unfinished novel about the first Anglo-Saxons in Brittannia that I had written. http://www.martinlindstedt.org/mmgaz5.html#5mmig05 http://www.martinlindstedt.org/staldrg.html So we exchanged writings, publications, gossip over the years. What I got back from both Louis Beam and Katya Lane was unambiguous -- no friend and ally of Frazier Glenn Miller was any friend or ally of Louis Beam or David Lane, Period. This is my exact same position. Any friend of Frazier Glenn Miller is likewise a traitor to the Resistance. One is to be judged by the company they keep. And lest anyone think that I am picking only on the a-theists, another traitor is 'Pastor' Don Gayman, the money-loving from-Mormon-to-CI-and back again rascal who took $12,000 from the Order, got caught by ZOG and then testilied against Beam and Lane and the others at Ft. Smith. A traitor is a traitor, regardless of professed ideology or doxology that they betray as well by their actions. Gayman has his bunch 70 miles due north of me in Vernon County. I immediately put out the word in Missouri and the local areas of Arkansas, Kansas and and that I would have nothing to do with 'rehabilitating' the name of a traitor like Glenn Miller, much less assisting him in any way. There were some who disagreed, and I told them to leave my name out of it, and that they might well be sorry if Miller turns on them. This went on until late January, early February 2001 when a reporter named Linda Leicht of the Springfield News Leader asked me about Glenn Miller. I asked who had given me his name, and she said Glenn Miller. I informed her that Miller was on the outs with both the Identity and nazis in this area for his history of getting caught and turning traitor. She didn't seem to understand about our differences. To her, there is no difference between Christian Identity or the Klan or the nazis -- we all are just a bunch of onbred hillbilly racists to her kind. She said something about how I was one of the few with a WWW page and political activity. http://www.martinlindstedt.org/copyrite.html http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rpf_2/message/580 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rpf_2/message/666 Now if anyone thinks that I published portions of Glenn Miller's book in order to rehabilitate Miller's name, they have another think coming. It was back to talk to Louis Beam and Katya Lane about me doing any such thing. I made the argument that Glenn Miller was an extremely weak and sorry specimen, which is why $200,000 of the Order's proceeds ruined Miller. That giving 'Pastor' Gayman only $12,000 was his ruination. In his book Miller admits to being a traitor and perjurer and drunkard, and since everyone in the Movement and outside the Movement had a copy, then it might as well make the Internet to show what happens when weak cowardly degenerate people worm themselves into positions of responsibility and trust and are soon enough exploited by ZOG for those weaknesses. There should have been a vetting agent for Frazier Glenn Miller within the Resistance that should have known about Miller running out on his followers like a dog, and not allowing Miller to be anything other than what he was good at -- organizing marches and political events and railing about jews and niggers. That publishing on the Internet these matters would help newbies learn what NOT to do, tactically and strategically. Louis Beam agreed with me. Katya Lane did not. She was firmly set against giving that traitor any more publicity, not after he took their money and betrayed them, especially her husband, David Lane. But after a day or so, she grudgingly withdrew her opposition in return for me posting what a few of the Order members had to say about Frazier Glenn Miller. So I took what I had scanned in, and put up the first three chapters, ending in the Greensboro incident. Miller wanted his book onto the Internet, free of charge, hoping that it would pave the way for his rehabilitation and maybe clear up the stockpile of 800 some copies that he had left out of printing at his or ZOG's expense of a thousand or 1500. The story was printed, and Katya Lane sent something a month or two later, but by then it was a dead issue, not worth fighting over. The jewspaper printed up some gliberal whigger bullshit about what an awful thing it was that the Ozarks were filled with nazis and Identity and rednecks who hated jews and niggers and that they were on the Internet. Just the jewsual ZOGling jewspaper bullshit. http://members.nbci.com/fg_miller2001/index.html The nbci web page that Miller was on went down in 2002 or so, when Micro$haft decided that it didn't want to do the free home pages for anyone any more. I still retained the HTML code, but didn't want to clutter it up my PatrickHenryOnLine mo-net WWW page. But I kept the link, describing Miller as a traitor intact. So that is what happened in 2001. That and another appearance by Glenn Miller in July 2001 which I didn't catch directly but made me certain that Miller has never left ZOG's service. To my surprise, Miller either never noticed my lack of liking for him, or he thought that he could use me to ZOG's advantage. I don't know what it is, but I have caught a number of worms and traitors who seem to overlook what I have to say about them in hopes that they can persuade me to change my mind. I almost never do, but I am able to listen politely in hopes of getting further information the more they talk. Some of them, like Klunt Downey, figure it out and stop talking to me because they know that everything they say will be used against them. I figure out that Miller made some calls on Thursday, March 4, to some people in Missouri and to ZOG and found out that I have always regarded him as a traitor after talking to Louis Beam and Katya Lane in July 2000. Anyone claiming to be a friend of both David Lane and Glenn Miller is a fool or a tool of ZOG or both. It is written that no man can serve two masters -- or at least not well. Edberg's lie I count as meaning that he serves ZOG as Glenn Miller serves ZOG. Will William's preference for Will Williams I lay down to Will Williams serving only himself, and his pathological hatred of Christianity. Does Will Williams perform a useful task? Sure does, in his unmasking of Tubby Covington. Will Williams is as much my brother as a nigger shooting a pig or a pig shooting a nigger for his own selfish ends. He is a sometime ally who fights a common enemy sometimes, but not to be trusted because when it comes down to it, like most loveless mattoids, there simply is no loyalty to anyone or anything other than theysselfs. I trust that I have made myself clear on this matter. --Martin Lindstedt |
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Really simple. Frazier Glenn Miller testilied against David Lane, Louis Beam, many of the surviving Order members, Richard Butler, Robert Miles, etc. at the Ft. Smith Sedition Trial. Miller was such a liar that not even ZOG's jew lawyers believed a word. Certainly not the jury, so all of them were free. I cannot see how anyone in their right mind would believe that Miller is forgiven or forgotten by Louis Beam or David Lane. I was told differently by Louis Beam and Katya Lane in July 2000. Now Miller is trying to worm his way back in, sending the same old tired nutzi porn beloved of Walter-Mitty types, and sending with the freebies his 'explanation' that it was all right for him to be a rat because ZOG told him that the 'Order rats' including David Lane were about to roll over on pore 'ol Frazier Glenn Miller. And now Will Williams wants to claim that he is a friend and ally of both David Lane and Glenn Miller. Absurd on its very face. I admit that Miller was a good political organizer. But he was also a coward, liar, drunkard and traitor who made a good ZOG rat. I have had to denounce, just like I did Miller, some CI pastors like Dan Gayman whose blood price was a mere $12,000 and, to a lesser extent, Pastor Bob Millar of Elohim City, whose son-in-law also was a traitor at Ft. Smith. I am especially driven up the wall by the jews claiming that since Gayman was Eric Rudolph's pastor for a year or so, that Gayman is a leader of Christian Identity. The Jewplin Glob mistook entirely that the associate pastor that they took the side of Gayman has never been anything than a lover of money, having cheated his own biological brother, and now has gone back to Mormonism 'Identity' the past few years or so. I didn't like having to do what needs to be done, but no traitor gets a free pass. I've met both Miller and Millar, and they put on a good show, but inside they were hollow men, full of corruption. Not all Identity pastors have done their duty to YHWH and YHWH's Law. So should I pull a Will Williams and let myself give them a pass because they claim to be Identity as he would give Glenn Miller a free pass because Miller is anti-Christian, claiming to be a Wodenist? That wouldn't be very honest of me, now would it? You won't see me sponsoring them or 'forgiving' them their trespasses against others. You can't support traitors and at the same time pretend to be loyal in the Movement. --Martin Lindstedt |
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I have done my best to work out genuine differences between the Christian Identity and non-Identity Resistance. Here and other places. I do not look forward to having a successful Revolution, and then once ZOG is destroyed, having a religious civil war amongst the White survivors. We believe that Christ will return and that that will be the end of it. But what if you are right, and there is no such return of Christ? Would you persist in further civil war to bring under your power those of us who would form our own communities in which the Established Religion is Christian Identity, but in which non-believers could live in peace, provided that they did not cause open dissention? If not, then in addition to supporting ZOG informants and traitors, then how are you any different than ZOG? That said, thanks again for your work on Tubby Covington. --Martin Lindstedt |
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What a nutball Lindstedt has shown himself to be on this thread!
What the fuck is your problem, Matin? Why alll the venom about a bunch of ancient history? The Order is history. Lane is history. Mathews is history. Glenn Miller and the WPP are history. Accept that and go on with life. None of it is worth blowing a head gasket over. I'm being quite serious when I say the following: If your goal is to have a white revolution where we get the Jews and the muds out of our lives, but then we have to live under a Khomeni type theocratic dictatorship run by a bunch of certified kooks who believe they are the "true Jews", then goddammed! I'd prefer to leave things just as they are. I've never understood why any sane, racially conscious white man wants to become a Jew, wants to adopt the filthy and disgusting literature and history of the Jewish Old Testament as his own racial history and literature. People who think as you do, Martin, are evidence of the total and ultimate Jewish victory over our race. The regular Christians just want to worship Jews. You and your kind want to also become Jews. That doesn't sound like any kind of white movement that I'm interested in. It's certainly not a movement going forward and in the right direction. It's a sick movement. And anyone who bothers to take the time to read all your incredibly redundant, and needlessly viscious comments should come to the realization that you have a serious personality disorder. As I said, do all the name dropping (Lane, kataya, Beam, whomever you like) it means nothing other than you are wasting your time living in the past. You disgust me. |
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Reply to Lindstadt (Part I)
[QUOTE=MartinLindstedt]Believe what you want, Williams. I've heard that you are a complete nut case who beats women. I suppose I could let myself believe everything said about you, but would it be true just because I let personal animus tell me to believe it? Of course not.
--- Gee, thanks. I think? I've always tried to only beat those women who needed a good beating, and NEVER with anything bigger than my thumb. Now, I believe that you don't weigh much over a healthy, corn-fed 270-300 pounds, not the 400 pound "Haystack Calhoun" that Mr. Miller claimed. What a lovely dialog we have got going here. --- Your behavior in wanting to believe whatever you choose to believe marks you as simply another Movement solipsistic nut-case. --- And here, all along, I've been thinking that it was my skeptical, inquisitive nature that's given me the capacity to rise above the herd, to question authority and the status quo -- to think independently, as Dr. Pierce might describe that trait you attempt to turn on me -- to seek out our best thinkers and activists and work with them to formulate a winning worldview that can underpin the resistance in the coming decades. I don't like to see Jewish bullshit from the Jewish Bible creeping into the Aryan world view I embrace. This is what I choose to believe, Mr. Lindstadt. My convictions are based on keeping our world view free of alien garbage from the very enemy you and I are bound together to defeat. I also have the conviction that our cause must be grounded in truth. I believe in this as much if not more than you believe in your Jesus. --- has made me able to Miller's criminal history of betrayal is simply not open to honest debate. It is absurd to claim that you are both a friend of David Lane and the ZOG stooge who perjured himself testilying against Lane. Perhaps that is the reason you never were able to rise above being a fourth-rate editor for Pierce and Klassen and now that they are dead you are nothing more than a county-level gauleiter. The Resistance needs more county-level gauleiters, --- I'll take that as a compliment, oddly enough. I'd rather be a fourth stringer for men like Pierce and Klassen, even Miller -- real men, flawed men, but wide-eyed, straightforward men with grit who have the golden capacity to arouse and inspire and organize others to fight for my race and the endurance to keep on fighting effectively to their last days -- than to risk my life and fortune, and put my faith and the very future of my RACE in the hands of the vengeful, mythical goy-hating, Jewish tribal SuperSpook, Yahweh, and his mythical bastard son, Yashua, "King of the Jews. This is really the only big difference between you and me, Mr. Lindstadt: I've got my way and you've got Yahweh. You want to ground our resistance in superstitious Jewish brain rot and I say, "Over my dead body." The line is drawn; may the best position prevail!! --- but it is a pity that you cannot work with anyone other than traitors like Glenn Miller who are non-Christian. --- Whoa! The only time I knew Mr. Miller was nearly 20 years ago, when he was spouting the same "Adamic" stuff you do today. He was the first man I ever met who openly represented himself as active in the pro-White "movement." I was able to work with him then, though I disagreed with much that he was doing. I've worked with any number of other Xians, whether sincere ones, or ones who, like the character Saul Rogers in Pierce's _Hunter_ (the one, a big fellow like you, felt it necessary to use Bible Scriptures to trick the White Xian sheep into following him). Glenn now recognizes that that approach is dishonest, that we need to tell our people the truth no matter how much it hurts. I say it took courage for Glenn to make that leap. He still manages to work with Xian racists, just like he always has, but up front with them about his own conversion away from the "Jewish crutch." The door is always open for you to make the same leap some day, Mr. Lindstadt. You crossed a line with me, Mr. Lindstadt, if you'll remember, when you attacked Mr. Edberg, my friend and the man who took me up to meet Dr. Pierce for my first time 13 years ago. You did this for no other reason than that he had some complimentary things to say about Glenn. You were way off base. --- Billy Roper was able to grow above his indoctrination at the hands of Pierce. He is actually pursuing a 'National Alliance' far more than Pierce was able to. --- If you say so. I'm sure Billy won't be too hurt if I paraphrase Lloyd Bentsen when debating George Bush Sr. for president back in the late 1980's: "I knew William Pierce. He was a friend of mine. Billy Roper is no William Pierce." --- You obviously are not able to grow beyond your own self-worship. Thus your moaning about how it was in the good old days when Dr. Pierce was alive and had a thriving book and toy store which you got to help run. Billy Roper has surpassed you because he is able to understand reality and politics. You on the other hand, are able to only live with your past hatreds and mental limitations. If you want to whine like a kike about how it is all my fault that the level of discourse has fallen, just like Miller whines that it was all the fault of the Order that he had to cut a deal with ZOG, then so be it. --- Look, you can smear me all you want, but you're not going to turn Billy Roper and me against each other, friend. He and I go way back and have successfully fought the enemy from the same trench on more than one occasion. It's implicit between us that whatever our differences we can count on each other when one or the other of us seriously needs help. We understand each other. I know what he is doing with White Revolution; he knows I know and understands why I'm critical. He doesn't particularly like it when I criticize him for his "big tent" approach but he's made his uncomfortable bed and now has to try and get some sleep in it while a jerk like me keeps banging pot lids together over his shoulder. Billy is doing what he feels he must do, but, deep down, at some level in his gut, he would be disappointed in me if I didn't hold my hard line and criticize his expedient methods of attracting warm bodies. That's what I do. Billy knows me and understands me whereas you do not. --- continued... |
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Reply to Lindstadt (Part II)
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Lindstadt wrote: I have done my best to work out genuine differences between the Christian Identity and non-Identity Resistance. Here and other places. --- It must be in those other places where you do your best work for unity. I only see you being divisive on this thread. I admire certain things about you, Mr. Lindstadt, and would recommend you to anyone I thought could learn from you how to manipulate the electoral process to gain a platform to reach White people with a message of hope and inspiration. You're creative and you're thorough and your nickname, "Mad dog," fits you well, in describing your gameness to take on our enemies. It would serve us well if we had just one man like you in every electoral district. You could learn a thing or two from Mr. Miller, however, Mr. Lindstadt, and I don't mean just from his mistakes. You want to make your case for what a coward Glenn is. I suggest you go to page two of the Xian Klan Web site www.awkkkk.com and read Glenn's long essay on White cowardice. Only a man like Glenn can write such a stirring piece because he has taken the path of most resistance for at least 25 years and speaks from experience. He's not unlike your mentors Louis Beam and David and Katja Lane in that regard. They have all been tested by fire. Glenn knows a little about cowardice. He admits his yellow streak. He admits that his courage was bottled at times during his early days as an activist. He admits how hard it is to overcome his cowardice to keep fighting. I'll chose to disagree with both of you on your assessments of Glenn's courage. What Glenn won't tell you, which is typical of veterans who have seen heavy combat up close and personal, is that he spent two tours in Vietnam, and, though he had an administrative MOS, he was, for a while, at least, attached to one of hottest Special Forces outfits in country, CCS of our SOG operations. Believe me, there aren't too many cowards in a base camp like that, no matter the GIs' MOS. To me, knowing that explains to some degree why Glenn drank so much back in the 1980's. Everyone has his own demons and his own way of dealing with them. I forgive Glenn for his lapses and his character flaws, whether others do or not. He soldiers on. He has an instructive story to tell and I encourage people to listen to it. I see that Alex wants to hear it, too. It's his story, not yours! You'll probably want to print out Glenn's essay at the Klan site, mat it and frame it under glass to hang in your cluttered office in your momma's double-wide, since the Xians who run that site put Xian imagery (Crucifix and dove, etc.) as a backdrop for Glenn's words. Maybe you'll feel compelled to "do your best in the name of unity" to warn those fellows about Glenn, that he's really just a "lying, drunk anti-Xian coward of a rat" -- and see if they'll call the author of "White Cowardice" a coward and remove his essay from their site. How unifying! Glen has invited you to meet him on neutral turf in a couple of days. Since you keep running on about what a coward Glenn is, if I were you, I'd have to meet the man and get some of these issues resolved face-to-face. That's what White men do --- I do not look forward to having a successful Revolution, and then once ZOG is destroyed, having a religious civil war amongst the White survivors. --- Your worries are unfounded. They detract your attention away from the real world, biologically-grounded objective of our "successful Revolution": the preservation and welfare of the gene pool and as much habitat as we can hold and keep. What in hell will Aryans find worth keeping from a Semitic slave religion after a "successful Revolution" against the Semites? I think Edberg was right when he noted that your Xian faith comes ahead of your loyalty to your race. --- We believe that Christ will return and that that will be the end of it. But what if you are right, and there is no such return of Christ? --- Then it'll be like you say about Tubby Covington today: "Thanks for your work exposing the fraud of Xianity." You used to fight me vociferously and call me all sorts of unflattering names as you defended defendant Covington a few years ago. I like to allow for White folks to become more intelligent and empirical and less gullible and superstitious. The way I see it is that you just have a little further to go. Like I and Edberg and Glenn and Klassen and Pierce and David Lane and Tom Metzger and Dr. Oliver and W.G. Simpson and Hitler and so many other WNs eventually came to harden our hearts put away the Xianity of our childhoods, I hold out that one day you'll jettison your Jewish crutch, too. Forget Jesus! He ain't coming back! We've been waiting around for that Jew to float down and fix the world for 2,000 years and every year things just get worse and worse. We keep hearing the same lame shit from the con-artists in pulpits, "Just wait till next year. Have faith, he's coming!" When one starts investigating with an open mind why you would fall for such irrational "beliefs" so strongly, especially when you espouse the primacy of race out of the other side of your mouth, you start sounding a little hypocritical talking about others' inability to serve the proverbial "two masters," dont you think? --- Would you persist in further civil war to bring under your power those of us who would form our own communities in which the Established Religion is Christian Identity, but in which non-believers could live in peace, provided that they did not cause open dissention? --- I decline to answer such a loaded straw man hypothesis, thanks. --- If not, then in addition to supporting ZOG informants and traitors, then how are you any different than ZOG? --- I prefer the acronym JOG over ZOG. One difference between me and JOG is the same difference between me and you, Mr. Lindstadt: you and JOG both trumpet that the United States is a "Xian nation," based on "Xian principles," whatever in hell that means. I say we're a simply a White nation where only Whites can be citizens -- no Jews or other non-Whites, and no more need for a Jewish-based Xian Bible to tell us what to believe in, any more than we'll need a Jew-owned and controlled mass media to form our opinions and set societal trends. --- That said, thanks again for your work on Tubby Covington. --Martin Lindstedt[/QUOTE] --- Think nothing of it. It's a slimey job that somebody had to do, and it just happened to fall on me. I appreciate your thanks, even though you and I have still got this persistent problem to solve of whether we'll be a White movement or a Xian one. I'm glad to see it out on the table. It's important. Last edited by White Will; April 5th, 2004 at 08:58 PM. |
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