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Old March 6th, 2011 #1
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[People always ask what we WN see after the revolution. I can't speak for everybody, but this column from Fred Reed depicts the sort of world I would wish for my descendants. This world did exist in the US not so long ago, so it is not utopian to desire this kind of world.]



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August 14, 2010

When I was a kid long, long ago, before time began, or anyone had thought of why time ought to begin, or what it might be good for, I lived in rural King George County, Virginia. The county bordered on the Potomac River and was mostly woods. Dahlgren Naval Proving Ground, on which my family lived, sloped down to Machodoc Creek, perhaps three-quarters of a mile wide.

Things were looser then. When I wanted to go shooting, I put my rifle, a nice .22 Marlin with a ten-power Weaver, on my shoulder and walked out the main gate. At the country store outside the gate I’d buy a couple of boxes of long rifles, no questions asked, and away my co-conspirator Rusty and I went to some field or swamp to murder beer cans.

Today if a kid of fifteen tried it, six squad cars and a SWAT team (in all likelihood literally) would show up with sirens yowling, the kid’s parents would be jailed, the store closed and its proprietors imprisoned, and the kid subjected to compulsory psychiatric examination. Times change.

In King George if a buddy and I wanted to go swimming, we might go to the boat dock, which was for public use, and jump in. We did this by day or night. Almost never were there other people around, certainly no lifeguard. Or we might take my canoe, bought with paper-route money, and paddle out into the nighttime water and glory in being young and free and jumping overboard to swim. No one thought anything of it. It was what kids did.

Today, unsupervised swimming is everywhere forbidden. Worse, swimming at night, hundreds of yards from shore. In a canoe without floation devices approved by the Coast Guard. No supervising adult? No proof of having taken a governmentally approved course in how to paddle a canoe? Impossible in these over-protected, vindictively mommified times.

We saw no need of floatation devices because we were flotation devices. We could swim, easily, fluently, because we had been doing it forever. I don’t think I knew anyone who couldn’t have swum the width of Machodoc. Nobody supervised us. Nobody thought we needed supervision. And we didn’t.

If we wanted to fish, an urge frequently upon us, we just got our poles and did. We caught mostly cat, perch, and bream and the occasional wildly combative eel. Adults had nothing to do with it. We didn’t need fishing permits. Nor did we need help.

What I didn’t notice then, but remember now, is that we didn’t look nervously about to see whether our elders might disapprove. We knew they wouldn’t. We were fishing. So what?

The whole world worked that way—unsupervised, unwatched, left alone. In winter the Cooling Pond on base froze deep, and way after dark fifty of us would sail across slick new ice on skates, unsupervised. Adults skated, but they were skaters, not Mommy. And if you wanted to stay late till you were the only one on the (huge) pond, sailing fast, ice hissing under blades, not tired because you are sixteen and don’t know what the word means—you did. No supervision.

The boys had cars. The county being mostly empty, we spent endless nights driving, driving, to Fredericksburg to get Might Mos at Hojos, or just putting miles behind us on winding roads through the woods, alone, with friends, with our girls.

What I remember is how free we were. Solzhenitsyn once told of stopping on some desert desert highway, getting out of his car, and marveling that no one knew where he was, or cared. That’s how it was in King George. You parked with your girlfriend for endless hours on some blind pull-off into the woods. No one asked where you had been or what you were doing or, more likely not doing. Parents didn’t care because they didn’t need to care.

In retrospect, it felt unregulated. And was. In today’s world of over-policing by militarized hostile cops, of metal-detectors and police in schools and compulsory anger-management classes and enforced ingestion of Ritalin or Prozac, King George sounds, well, dangerous. I mean, how can you let kids run around as they like, with…with….guns, (eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeek!) and beer, and unregistered canoes without supervision by a caring adult, and…?

The answer of course is that we supervised ourselves. Within limits, anyway. I do remember lying on the roof of my father’s station wagon and looking up at the brake pedal because I hadn’t taken that unbanked downhill S-turn on Indian Town Road quite as well as I had planned.

But, being Southern kids, we boys knew how to handle guns, and the girls knew how to handle us, and though the country boys were physically tough from doing real work (consult a history book), we were not crazy in the head, as the phrase was. To the extent that adolescents are willing to be, I guess we were happy. We just didn’t know it.

The wretechedness we see today—the kid who shoots ten classmates to death, the alleged students strung out on crystal meth, the suicides, the frequent pregnancies—just didn’t happen. Why? Because (I strongly suspect) we were left the hell alone. The boys were allowed to be boys and the girls, girls. We grew like weeds, as our natures directed, and so did not have anorexia or bulimia or the sullen smoldering anger that comes of being a guy kid forced to be a girl or androgyne or flower.

I cannot speak well for the girls, except to say that they were sane, good-natured, and splendid. I do know that the boys needed, as plants need sunlight, to take canoes up unknown creeks, to swim and bike and compete—without a caring adult. In fall we used to play hours of pick-up basketball at the base gym—unsupervised. The brighter of us read voraciously. Some took up ham radio or read physiology texts. But we needed physical exertion, adventure, and freedom.

We had them. The consequence? Our heads were screwed on right. We probably even thought that the world looked to be a good place for a while. Although the entire high school had easy access to fire arms, nobody ever shot anyone. The idea would have seemed lunatic. In rare fights, boys might punch each other in the nose. Pick up a tire iron? Kick the other guy in the head? Not a chance.

The foregoing will enrage the whole sodden bolus of therapists, psychological beard-scratchers, counselors, feminists, fruit-juice drinkers, and congenitally insecure promoters of sun block. But it worked.

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WN should notice there's nothing about eugenics or space travel. You want to talk about two things that truly put 'investigators' off our cause - those be them.
 
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We would still have a lot of problems, "immorality" and all that. But it would be drinking, carousing, fighting, fornication, but it'd all be white, and fun, there'd be no rap music, and people would get drunk and dance to Irish jigs and have accidental white babies, all the while a new kind of aristocracy forms and high "culture" begins to recreate itself. I watch too many movies. Cowboys, pirates, knights in armor, the lot.
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And the wars, theft, corruption and murder continue, because that is the natural state of man--an infinitely pathetic and insecure creature in constant pursuit of power, praise and validation.
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More people, more regulations, that is almost a universal truth to civilization.

The other should realize that 150 million people have been added to the populace since he was a young man.


It took 123 years to go from the first 1 billion people to the 2nd billion.

Now it takes 13 years to add another billion mouths to the planet.
 
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I caught the tail end of White America as a child. I was born in a small midwest town, almost totally White at the time.
I can remember being 4 and 5, riding a big-wheel, all alone up and down the sidewalk, all around the block. Not a care in the world. Safe in the care of the Whites that lived all around me.
We have to get that back. That common identity that generated so much freedom and good.
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But it would be drinking, carousing, fighting, fornication, but it'd all be white, and fun, there'd be no rap music, and people would get drunk and dance to Irish jigs and have accidental white babies,
Fucking right. There will be no condom industry in the new world where all non-Europeans are expelled to their new world of Antarctica.

No, wait, the north pole. The penguins don't deserve that. They are very nice animals. A land with no STD's, no AIDS, tainted mongrels, fags, dykes, non-whites.

I'd actually be quite interested to see how a technologically-deprived society of all of the non-whites of the world fares a year or so down the line in the north pole.

If I had to guess, there'd be an economy of asian and middle eastern human skin coats that the Jews trade amongst each other. The Jews don't actually get the coats, but rather they hire niggers to bring 5 human skins back, then the Jew has some other niggers behind their igloo that write 'FUBU' across the skin, and they give that one to the nigger that brought them five.

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WN should notice there's nothing about eugenics or space travel. You want to talk about two things that truly put 'investigators' off our cause - those be them.
Space travel? Why should such a lame waste of money are resources have any part of our cause?
 
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I got sleepy after "after the revolution."
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In a way, Whites have minimized risks by reducing our own freedoms to an incredible degree if only to offset the risk niggers and spics have introduced into our lives. It makes us feel better that we have control over something.
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Frankly,I work very hard every day trying(mentally) to NOT think about the future.I can't even imagine a good future,not yet,maybe not ever;and almost certainly not in the rest of my remaining brief life time.

I do remember when America was controlled by white people.......and we all just took it for granted;like it always had been;and always would be.Seems like I just looked away for a minute or two and niggers just jumped up out of nowhere and took over.

In the early 60's I went to Viet Nam; cause I thought I was going to defend America from a communist invasion someday in the future;and I'd just go to the Southeast Asian jungles and meet the little brown bastards face to face.A year and a half later I came home, and was so shocked at the incredible change that has occurred,that I reenlisted just to avoid having to deal with all the niggers and white liberal assholes I has seen in my two weeks leave home.

As if enlisting the first time wasn't stupid enough,I went off and didn't get back for another two and half years, and things had gone from bad to worse.Now this was only about in the mid 60's and Forced integration had kicked in and niggers were demanding shit like they deserve it;and I got in a fights three and four times a day because niggers wouldn't get the fuck out of my way, the way they use to, and niggers were now actually talking back to white people; and that shit "was" unheard of before;talk about cultural shock-plus a damn good case of PTSD,which the doctors didn't even know existed yet;and were still calling shell shocked.

Life in those days was like a very bad Twilight Zone episode; or a Alfred Hitchcock movie that I couldn't fucking turn off;and when I'd try to explain it to anyone they would all get that odd look on their face, and start looking at each other as if I was insane and a danger to society.Well,the damn movie is still going-and getting worse and worse ,but I just learned to not mention to anyone else that- I seen the endingain'ture aint so fucking good.There might be hope.I sure as hell hope so,but I ain't counting on it any more.

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Since Valdez still posts here, I'm going to answer his point about Argentina vs Mexico.

Mexico has a larger economy than Argentina, but that doesn't mean the quality of life is better. Mexico has 112,000,00 people, while Argentina has 40,000,000, and the close proximity to the United States means a lot of money gets to Mexico, making its economy much larger. Despite all of its problems, Argentina still has living standards on par with most mediterranean European countries. Mexico, on the other hand, has armies of cartels having gun battles in the streets. Argentina is also about 50-60% white, the same as America.

People exaggerate how many whites there are in Argentina (97% is a VERY old statistic) , but they also heinously exaggerate how non-white and corrupt their country is. Argentina has the problems of every white plurality, Jew infested multicultural country: corruption, crime, poverty, and lots of illegal immigration. But by no means is it even comparable to shitholes like Mexico. Anti-racists take information out of context to try and prove an anti-white point. Argentinians tend to be proud of their European heritage, which means they get specific Jewish-inspired hate targeted at them, their country is defamed. Most of the prosperity in Mexico is from Mexicans who move to the US illegally and send all their money back home, not because they have good infrastructure. The UAE has a lot of oil and Dubai is an extremely luxurious place, but the UAE is still rife with dire poverty and gross inequality.

Here is a map of "Human Development Index", which is still a bit shoddy when judging quality of life per country, but much better than using nothing but GDP:



Argentina scores "very high" alongside the rest of the West.

Note also that Brazil and Uruguay have the same color. Yet, most of Brazil is a negro basket case balanced out by the white majority South, creating a point somewhere in between. Uruguay on the other hand is a place where outside the major city (Where the negro minority is concentrated) you can sleep with your door open. The country is also incredibly sophisticated, highly literate, and produces a lot of culture, considering that it is a tiny nation of 3,000,000 with no real manufacturing anymore .
 
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Mexico has a larger economy than Argentina, but that doesn't mean the quality of life is better. Mexico has 112,000,00 people, while Argentina has 40,000,000, and the close proximity to the United States means a lot of money gets to Mexico, making its economy much larger. Despite all of its problems, Argentina still has living standards on par with most mediterranean European countries. Mexico, on the other hand, has armies of cartels having gun battles in the streets. Argentina is also about 50-60% white, the same as America.

People exaggerate how many whites there are in Argentina (97% is a VERY old statistic) , but they also heinously exaggerate how non-white and corrupt their country is.
Actually, there's a rather interesting point to be made there.

First, consider Martinez- Marignac et al.'s Characterization of Admixture in an Urban Sample from Buenos Aires, Argentina, Using Uniparentally and Biparentally Inherited Genetic Markers, Human Biology, August 2004, v. 76, no. 4, pp. 543–-557: "Regarding autosomal evidence of admixture, the relative European, native American, and West African genetic contributions to the gene pool of La Plata were estimated to be 67.55% (2.7), 25.9% (4.3), and 6.5% (6.4), respectively."

Also consider Corach et al.'s Evaluation of the Ethnic Composition in the Population of Argentine Argentina: "As depicted in most Latin American countries, there is in Argentina, a clear asymmetry regarding Amerindian matrilineage mestizo (83.3%) when compared with Amerindian patrilineage (16.7%). A clear discrepancy arose in comparison with the physical anthropological position that claims a minimal aboriginal component in Argentina's population. This contribution provides additional information that supports a more relevant Amerindian component in a country that claimed to be the most European one of the entire Latin America."

Next, consider Gonzalez-Herrera et al.'s Forensic Parameters and Genetic Variation of 15 Autosomal STR Loci in Mexican Mestizo Populations from the States of Yucatan and Nayarit , The Open Forensic Science Journal, 2010, 3, 57-63: "For Mexico, differences in genetic admixture have been described along the country, where northern states would have a higher Caucasian component than southeastern populations, characterized by ahigher Amerindian component. This gradient has also been demonstrated with ancestral-component estimation in Mexican Mestizos based on 13 CODIS STRs, suggesting that admixture proportions throughout Mexico, displayed a clear North-to-South increase of the Amerindian component (38.3–75.7%), with a proportional decrease of the European component (50.3–8.5%), and vice versa."

Now consider this news article, Mexico Safer Than Headlines Indicate: "And while parts of Mexico can be legitimately likened to a war zone, drug violence afflicts 80 of the country's 2,400 municipalities (equivalent to counties). Their locations have been well publicized: along the U.S. border in northern Baja California, Sonora, Chihuahua, Nuevo Leon and Tamaulipas states, and south to Sinaloa, Michoacan and parts of San Luis Potosí, Nayarit, Jalisco, Guerrero and Morelos states."



The most violent states are in the north. Southern states such as Yucatan, Quintana Roo, Campeche, Villahermosa, Chiapas, Oaxaca, and Puebla cannot be said to have "armies of cartels having gun battles in the streets," to use your description.

The news article states that, "more than 95 percent of Mexico's municipalities are at least as safe as the average traveler's hometown. Yucatan state, for example, had 0.1 of a murder for every 100,000 people in 2010 - no U.S. tourist destination comes close to that. Most cities in central Mexico, outside of the scattered drug hot spots, have lower murder rates than Orlando."

Gonzalez-Herrera et al. write that, "Yucatan is located at Southeastern Mexico and has a high density of population with Mayan ascendancy."

So, in actuality, while you tried to contrast the utopia of "white Argentina" with criminal "Indian Mexico," Argentines and northern Mexicans are not so very different in their genetic makeup, yet they live in very different conditions. Moreover, the mostly Indian population of southern Mexico lives in far more peaceful conditions than the mostly European population of northern Mexico. It seems that your "racial" explanation will not suffice.

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Argentina has the problems of every white plurality, Jew infested multicultural country: corruption, crime, poverty, and lots of illegal immigration.
Did you know that Argentina's most significant immigration problems historically came from Europe?

The admixture proportions that I described were only created because of waves of European immigration, principally from Italy and Spain, and to a lesser extent, Germany. Immigration was promoted as a means of diluting the Indian and Black admixture in the Argentine population, and to some extent, that goal was successful.

Here's Avena et al.'s Heterogeneity in Genetic Admixture across Different Regions of Argentina: "In Buenos Aires City two historical events had a strong influence in the genetic composition of its inhabitants. First, the arrival of a large number of European immigrants, mostly from Italy and Spain, between 1870 and 1950 who intermixed with the smaller local population Buenos Aires City. This was a population that had already resulted from admixture of several generations of original Indigenous Americans, Africans brought as slaves during the Spanish conquest in the 16th and 17th century, and the earlier Spanish conquistadores."

Also have a look at The genetic composition of Argentina prior to the massive immigration era: Insights from matrilineages of extant criollos in central-western Argentina, Forensic Science International: Genetics Supplement Series Volume 2, Issue 1, December 2009, Pages 342–343: "Massive transatlantic immigration starting in 1860 significantly modified the human genetic landscape of Argentina."

Now, you may believe that these upstanding white people would have nothing but beneficial influence to bring to Argentina, and would quickly rise over the less white population and dominate them, becoming an institutionalized upper class, thanks to the inherent biologically determined greater intelligence and dynamism of "white people." But lo and behold, the mixed-blooded Argentine population seemed to have some problems with these immigrants, blaming them for various social ills such as crime, poverty, and urban unrest.

I refer to Immigration and urban social problems in Argentina and Chile, 1890-1914, The Hispanic American Historical Review, Vol. 49, No. 2 (May, 1969), pp. 215-232:

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The crowds of tired, dirty, unemployed drifters and beggars who poured into the major cities of both nations constituted an obvious urban problem. In Argentina evidence suggests that some of these unfortunates were immigrants. One author in 1910 reported that seventy-three percent of the inmates in the Buenos Aires beggars' asylum were foreigners. Similarly La Nacion noted during an unemployment crisis in 1914 that over ninety percent of those seeking public assistance had been born abroad.

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Aside from citing statistics, Argentine intellectuals who commented on the causes of crime invoked theories of biological determinism to fix the blame on immigration. Whereas writers of an earlier generation had employed racial theories to argue that immigrants were ethnically superior and would improve the mestizo population, by 1905 sociologists were beginning to uphold the Argentine creole as racially superior to several immigrant groups, including the Italians and the Spaniards. Because they were biologically inferior, the theory continued, these immigrant groups inherited stronger propensities to commit crime than did the creoles. This theory was first and most explicitly formulated in Argentina by Cornelio Moyano Gacitua, a sociology professor at the University of Cordoba. His La delincuencia argentina (1905), the first study devoted specifically to Argentine crime and heavily biased against immigrants, influenced other scholars of the time, including Eusebio Gomez, who became Argentina's best-known criminologist before 1914. Relying on the theory that criminal tendencies were biologically transmitted, Argentine writers repeatedly argued that immigration was bringing to Buenos Aires "the anti-social scum of the rest of the world" and permanently instilling strong criminal tendencies in the Argentine population. Stereotyped images of immigrant criminals appeared in many articles published in the Archivos de psiquiarta y criminologica, the professional journal of Argentine criminologists. The typical Italian immigrant, wrote one contributor, always bore "his inseparable steel knife," which he was quick to use because of "his volcanic temperament and his excitable, aggressive passions.

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Nicolas Palacios, the most famed Chilean writer of his time, expressed his strong agreement with this indictment of immigration. Palacios, who claimed to follow Gustave Le Bon's racial principles, in 1904 published Raza chilena, an immensely popular book which presented racial theories startling to the Chilean reading public. Rejecting nineteenth-century Positivists who scorned the Chilean mestizo as inferior, he upheld the Chileans as a superior race. Palacios asserted that the early settlers of Chile were not Latins but a more "advanced" race, the descendants of the Gothic peoples who had arrived in northern Spain after the fall of Rome. In Chile, the theory continued, these Germanic conquistadores mixed with another allegedly superior race, the Araucanian Indians. Issuing from this mixture, Palacios continued, was the Chilean mestizo race, a strong people which inherited less tendency toward criminality than Italians or Spaniards, the two largest European immigrant groups in Chile. To substantiate this theory of criminality, Palacios presented only one set of statistical data, which counted (in 1896) one Chilean criminal per 107 citizens, but one foreign criminal per thirty-five foreign-born residents.
So, if you’re following, the Argentine (and Chilean) population, which was already composed of Castilian-Indian mestizos (castizos) and is to this day, had an even greater Indian genetic component prior to the immigration of millions of Italians and Spaniards (and a significant number of Germans) and the “improvement” of the race during the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries. The historic pattern was that this more Indian population was the established citizenry that accused whiter immigrants of causing various social ills, largely but not entirely without just cause.

Again, your "racial" theories simply do not suffice.

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But by no means is it even comparable to shitholes like Mexico.
Except in genetic background, I guess.

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BAnti-racists take information out of context to try and prove an anti-white point. Argentinians tend to be proud of their European heritage, which means they get specific Jewish-inspired hate targeted at them, their country is defamed.
They don't have much more European genetic heritage than northern Mexicans do.

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Most of the prosperity in Mexico is from Mexicans who move to the US illegally and send all their money back home, not because they have good infrastructure.
That's false; most money from the U.S. that goes to Mexico stems from oil exports, though remittances are also important, or were before the economic crisis.

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Here is a map of "Human Development Index", which is still a bit shoddy when judging quality of life per country, but much better than using nothing but GDP:



Argentina scores "very high" alongside the rest of the West.
There's some interesting aspects of the HDI that you forgot to mention.

For instance, you neglected to note that Barbados and the Bahamas rank above Chile, Argentina, and Uruguay.

According to the CIA World Factbook, the ethnic constitution of Barbados is, "black 93%, white 3.2%, mixed 2.6%, East Indian 1%, other 0.2% (2000 census)." The literacy rate is 99.7%. Drinking water and sanitation facility access is 100%.

The ethnic constitution of the Bahamas is, "black 85%, white 12%, Asian and Hispanic 3%." The literacy rate is 95.6%. Drinking water access is 98%, and sanitation facility access is 100%.

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Note also that Brazil and Uruguay have the same color. Yet, most of Brazil is a negro basket case balanced out by the white majority South, creating a point somewhere in between.
Like Argentina, the "white" population of southern Brazil is admixed. They have slightly lower Amerindian admixture on average, but higher African admixture.

I refer you to Heterogeneity of the Genome Ancestry of Individuals Classified as White in the State of Rio Grande do Sul, Brazil, American Journal of Human Biology, 17, 496–506 (2005): "However, for the General RS sample the values associated to African (16%) and Native American (36%) ancestries are expressive, these numbers being, however, somewhat different from those described earlier for other White sample of the South region (including the states of Rio Grande do Sul, Parana´, and Santa Catarina) namely: 66% European, 12% African, and 22% Amerindian (Alves-Silva et al., 2000)."

You can also consult Color and genomic ancestry in Brazilians: "Our data demonstrated that the vast majority of Y chromosomes in white Brazilian males, regardless of their regional source, were of European origin, with a very low frequency of sub-Saharan African Y chromosomes and a complete absence of Amerindian contributions (14). On the other hand, by analyzing mtDNA, we found the surprisingly high amount of 33% Amerindian and 28% African contribution to the total mtDNA pool of white Brazilians (23). Together, our results configured a picture of strong directional mating in Brazil involving European males and Amerindian and African females."

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Uruguay on the other hand is a place where outside the major city (Where the negro minority is concentrated) you can sleep with your door open. The country is also incredibly sophisticated, highly literate, and produces a lot of culture, considering that it is a tiny nation of 3,000,000 with no real manufacturing anymore .
Uruguay is another mestizo country, as shown in Hidalgo et al.'s Genetic Admixture Estimate in the Uruguayan Population Based on the Loci LDLR, GYPA, HBGG, GC and D7S8, American Journal of Human Biology, 18: 513–524 (2006): "Our genetic admixture estimate showed evidence that the main genetic contribution comes from Europe with a small Amerindian and a minor African contribution with the admixture proportions: 84.1%, 10.4%, and 5.6% respectively."
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What I was denying is how common it is. There is a percentage of whites in Argentina (smaller in Uruguay) who are 1/8th Amerindian or less, but it's by no means the majority of the whites as those studies suggest.
And the reason that you futilely try to make that denial is because you actually do believe that such admixture matters, despite your assurances to the contrary. You say it doesn't matter, because deep inside, you probably know that your moronic attempts to dismiss this genetic research just looks stupid.

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Northern Mexico does not have similar racial demographics to Argentina and Uruguay.
Indian admixture averages are less than 15% higher in northern Mexico than in Argentina and Uruguay. I thought you said that Indian admixture proportions less than 25% weren't relevant?

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While the drug war is indeed most severe in the North, it is still far more desirable to live in the north (where the wealth and development is concentrated) than it is to live in the low-IQ indian provinces.
That's true in part (though you've still not explained the narco violence, because you have no explanation), yet why are there southern Mexican states with higher HDI scores than northern Mexican states?



Have you considered how population differences and government policies factor into these averages or have you once again stupidly jumped to a predetermined conclusion?

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The Mexican drug war is also not comparable to crime by Spanish and Italian immigrants to Argentina. The fact that you would compare what is essentially a civil war in Mexico to percentage of immigrants who were drunkards or thieves in the 19th century is petty legalism.
I never made that comparison. What I actually asked you was why "white" immigrants should be a social underclass that caused crime problems while the "mestizo" population was the middle and upper classes. That's the opposite of what your genetic determinism predicts.

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Barbados and Bahamas are cesspools outside of the resorts. Those countries have tiny populations, and the wealth is concentrated in the hands of multi-national corporations that profit from tourism.
That's a complete lie, as evidenced by the HDI scores that I referenced. I referred to HDI, not GDP or GNP, so moronically referring to "wealth concentrated in the hands of multinational corporations" doesn't work.

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Those studied a few hundred to a few thousand people, cherry picking a larger amount from low population indio parts. That's worse than anecdotal evidence, it's agenda-driven.
The European admixture component is higher in Buenos Aires because the capital was an entry point for Spanish and Italian immigrants, who, as previously mentioned, disproportionately contributed to crime and poverty.



It is shown in Bobillo et al.'s Amerindian mitochondrial DNA haplogroups predominate in the population of Argentina: towards a first nationwide forensic mitochondrial DNA sequence database, International Journal of Legal Medicine, July 2010, Volume 124, Issue 4, pp 263-268: "The study presents South American mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) data from selected north (N = 98), central (N = 193) and south (N = 47) Argentinean populations. Sequence analysis of the complete mtDNA control region (CR, 16024–576) resulted in 288 unique haplotypes ignoring C-insertions around positions 16193, 309, and 573; the additional analysis of coding region single nucleotide polymorphisms enabled a fine classification of the described lineages. The Amerindian haplogroups were most frequent in the north and south representing more than 60% of the sequences. A slightly different situation was observed in central Argentina where the Amerindian haplogroups represented less than 50%, and the European contribution was more relevant."

We can also consider Garcia and Demarchi's Incidence and Distribution of Native American mtDNA Haplogroups in Central Argentina, Human Biology Volume 81, Number 1, February 2009 pp. 59-69: "We report the incidence and distribution of Native American mtDNA haplogroups in nine villages across the Sierras Centrales archeological area, located in central Argentina. The aims of the study were (1) to investigate the relative incidence of native maternal lineages, (2) to determine whether or not the homogeneous pattern observed in a previous study persists at this larger scale, and (3) to ascertain the genetic affinities between the studied population and other native populations of the Southern Cone of South America. Of the 310 individuals from whom DNA was extracted, 249 (80.3%) were assigned to one of the founding native American haplogroups. This finding confirms the persistence at high prevalence of native maternal lineages in the rural populations of central Argentina. The haplogroup distribution is homogeneous in the population samples from Córdoba province, with haplogroups C and D always found at the highest frequencies. The sample from San Luis province, Tilisarao, presents a different genetic pattern, with haplogroups A and B being the most frequent. Principal components analysis and SAMOVA at the regional level show that the Córdoba, Patagonia, and Tierra del Fuego populations cluster together, which suggests a common origin."

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Show me where it said that?
"The samples are composed of individuals from the following native American groups: (1) Humahuaquen˜o and Quechua from the province of Jujuy in northwestern Argentina; (2) Tehuelche from Pampa de Chalõ´a and Loma Redonda, province of Neuque´n; (3) Mapuche, from the province of Rõ´o Negro; (4) Mataco-Mataguayo from the village of Santa Victoria, northwest of the province of Salta; (5) Chorote and (6) Toba from the village of Santa Victoria, in the northwest province of Salta; and (7) Ayoreo and (8) Lengua from southern Paraguay."

Maybe you should try actually reading these studies.

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Depends on the region. Places like Argentina and Uruguay had few people in them until European immigration in the 19th and 20th century. Most who have been to Buenos Aires, at least until the cancer of Peruvian and bolivian immigration, used to call it the Paris of the South. Why don't they say that about the Machu Pichu? Is it a social construct, did it fall out of the sky like that?
As evidenced by quoted authors, people referred to Spanish and Italian immigration as a cancer in its day too.

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So you refer to people who are 1% Amerindian (an impossibility your study presents knowing how recently Europeans and Amerindians had contact in Argentina) as mestizos,
In the technical sense of the word, they would be "mestizos."

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then turn around and say mestizo is an archaic term, then say the Average white American is a mestizo?
That's why it's an archaic term, idiot!

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You smoke much peyote, medicine man JewVez
Are you calling a member of this forum a Jew without proof? That's a bannable offense.

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Because when you talk about the average racial admixture of country that was predominately European until the last 20-30 years of non-white immigration, you are being dishonest. Argentina is a multicultural country like the USA and Canada today, so taking a study under the assumption that today's "Argentinians" (including the millions of illegal paraguayans and peruvians who got amnesty over the years from the Jewish government) can be studied like you would a homogenous country, such as Poland, is a gaping hole in the study.

What they are suggesting is that the average Argentinian is 78% European, and the rest Amerindian, glossing over the fact that you find more people who are fully European and mostly Amerindian immigrants, with a sprinkle of colonial whites, concentrated in rural areas, that are 1/8 or 1/16 Amerindian.
That's not true. Catelli et al., for example, mentioned the "important genetic heterogeneity of the country." Of course there are variances in admixture proportions, but many of these admixture events occurred many generations ago. That's why the comparison with the USA and Canada is disingenuous and misleading; there weren't the same admixture events, and the average level of Indian admixture in the people of those countries, though still present, is far lower.

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Some white man voodoo for you, Chief JewDez
That's the second time that you've referred to a member of this forum as a Jew without proof.

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-if you group together a person that is 100% Amerindian , with 1 person that is 100% European, you get an average of 50-50. That is the manipulation of your politicized, judaic, mercosur justifying studies.
Hey, idiot, I referred to mtDNA distribution, which could only exist in the pattern it does if there was admixture between Indian females and European males. I also referred to studies that distinguished between different regions and found clear variances in admixture proportions as a result of different immigration pressures. So while you may be so stupid as to believe that there's people that are "100% European" in these studies, there is a minimum level of admixture in every individual sampled, and you already claimed that 1% is too low.

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My problem isn't necessarily that I think it's a big deal if someone has an indian ancestor in the woodpile, my problem is that the study paints a dishonest of Argentinian and Uruguayan demographics.
Not at all. Numerous studies that sampled numerous populations and individuals have reached a consensus.

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I already did.
LMAO, no you didn't. You just proved that you didn't actually read them.

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Did you learn averages?
Those are forms of averages, you idiot.

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What groups? From that list in the image, there aren't any Indians such as Cherokees or some of the tribes from the Southern cone. Big difference between some gracile, pseudo-European featured Indians, and some pineapple headed cuac cuac like you.
LMAO, you are a fucking idiot. I guess you misses Wang's comment that, "The Native American populations have lower genetic diversity and greater differentiation than populations from other continental regions."

If you're confused about the genetic affinities between geographically and linguistically dispersed South American populations, you can always read Paleogenetical Study of Pre-Columbian Samples From Pampa Grande (Salta, Argentina), AMERICAN JOURNAL OF PHYSICAL ANTHROPOLOGY 141:452–462 (2010): "Successful ancient DNA extraction and amplification of various complementary genetic markers allowed us to characterize from a biological point of view individuals from the ancient population of PG. The PG samples present genetic similarities to other Andean populations, in particular when considering the frequencies of mitochondrial haplogroups. In spite of the Candelaria culture of PG being local and specific, we can hypothesize that gene flow between Andean populations, facilitated by an important cultural network, allowed the genetic similarity between populations of the region to be maintained. We can also hypothesize a common starting gene pool for all the populations of the Andean region."



You can supplement that with Saint-Pierre et al.'s An Alternative Model for the Early Peopling of Southern South America Revealed by Analyses of Three Mitochondrial DNA Haplogroups: "The distribution of the major clades in the Southern Cone did not show large differences among the populations; we did not find clusters linked to a specific population. The principal difference encountered was the high proportion of clade D4h3a5 in southern Patagonia. This clade was originally defined by Perego et al. (2009) [21] but is redefined here (see nomenclature), and is signposted by the presence of 16051 in the control region. D4h3a5 was found exclusively in southern Patagonia-Tierra del Fuego, with the sole exception of one Huilliche. The limited distribution of this lineage reinforces our hypothesis of the continuity of the current Patagonian populations with the initial founders."









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Judging from anthropological evidence, Mesoamerican Indians were at some point in contact with Europeans before colombus
Really? By all means, post this "anthropological evidence" that you refer to.

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Oh and did I mention, the Aztecs et al no longer exist, while the inferior indians now compose the majority?
You didn't, because I would have mocked your stupidity if you had. Nahuatl is still a widely spoken language in Mesoamerica.

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Of course, little is studied regarding this, by Jews who do not want it to get it. Academia and science are not free institutions in the West, anonymous polls of scientists show this, where pre-packaged jew propaganda "science" proves race does not exist, yet more scientists believe there is a correlation between race and intelligence.
Most population geneticists believe in the non-existence of "race," actually, since they're informed enough to realize that there's greater genetic diversity within so-called "racial" populations than between them.

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When it comes to the Southern cone, there were very few indians there to begin with. However, according to certain Spanish explorers, some of the indians in Argentina and Chile were close in appearance to white men, bearded, etc.
According to certain Spanish explorers, they sighted mermaids in the Atlantic Ocean. Your point?

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The Araucanos, for example, are known for their fair features.
I'm sure that some Mapuche might be known for their "fair features" now that their population has experienced admixture with Europeans, but pre-Columbian Mapuche were descended from the same stock as other Indians.

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The theory hasn't been debunked, you injuns just bury the evidence, to maintain your folklore and status as welfare queens.
LMAO! Do you really think that this pathetic whining constitutes a refutation of the study that I posted? Try posting an actual primary source, idiot.

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There is strong evidence for the Clovis theory.
The problem is that you have no idea what you're talking about. It's not called "the Clovis theory." It's the "Solutrean hypothesis." The Clovis-first theory is an entirely separate theory of settlement of the Americas that has also been debunked.

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If you only buy system academics, look up Dennis Stanford of the Smithsonian to see the archaeological finds regarding this.
LMAO! Are you really under the impression that I don't know who Dennis Stanford is? I schooled kinder on this subject long before your dumb ass came on the scene.

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LOL! Guat? The country with the IQ of 79? I'm surprised you can actually work a computer. I congratulate you.
Are you suggesting that everyone in Guatemala has an IQ of 79, after you just finished whining about the misleading nature of statistical averages? I mean, even if we accepted that IQ score average as correct (and there are reasons not to), there seem to be some problems with your insinuation that it's genetically determined.

Let's have a look at this:



How does Indian Peru best "mestizo" Mexico and Colombia? Why is there such a disparity between Indian Peru and Indian Guatemala (11 points) despite the similar genetic structure of their populations, and the historic technological superiority of Mesoamerican Indians to Andean Indians?

Come to think of it, how does the admixed Italian population come to hold an average IQ score identical to that of Austrian, German, and Dutch populations, and above various other euro populations? How does the Spanish population hold an average IQ score only one point above the Argentine population, when Argentina was settled by ethnic Castilians (already admixed) who proceeded to reproduce with the Indian population, producing a modern castizo population in Argentina, and on top of that, subject to waves of Italian immigrants in the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries? How do similarly admixed Uruguay and Portugal come to beat Ireland and Greece? (I've not mentioned former Soviet-bloc countries because I know you'll say something stupid about them being "Jew Bolshevik controlled.")

Solve this one for me, professor. As recorded in Genetic admixture, self-reported ethnicity, self-estimated admixture, and skin pigmentation among Hispanics and Native Americans, "Among self-identified Hispanics, the average NA admixture is 32.7%...(see Table 1), slightly lower than the 34.1% found by Bonilla et al. (2004a) in their southern Colorado sample. Among self-identified NAs, the average NA admixture is 71.8%..., a value significantly larger than observed in Hispanics (P \ 0.001)." Native Americans have more Amerindian admixture than the descendants of Mexicans, and far more than Puerto Ricans and Cubans, so how does it come to pass that their IQ scores are approximately equivalent, measured as slightly higher or lower in different assessments?





Enthralling questions, to which I'm sure you'll have equally enthralling answers.

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I'll try to explain my point in a way a Guat fresh-out of Jew taught brown self-esteem class can understand:

Population of Uruguay: 3,368,595

Population of Montevideo: 1,319,108

Population of Tacuarembo: 90,053
Ah, but that (incorrectly) assumes that Montevideo and Tacuarembo were the only areas sampled, idiot. Do you even bother to read the studies that you try to "refute"?

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Which one is more representative of the population of Uruguay, Marrano Valdez?
This is now the third time that you have accused another forum member of being a Jew without proof.

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There aren't that many people in Argentina or Uruguay who are 25% Amerindian, and the ones who are generally are indistinguishable from whites since Amerindians are very recessive, racially speaking. I'm not some Christian Identity tard, there are bigger fish to fry.
"Recessive, racially speaking" isn't any kind of description that has an actual meaning within population genetics. It's just something that white supremacists made up, playing with words that they don't understand.

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Proof they're lying about being partially Amerindian?
LOL, no. You see, in science, you search for proof to affirm positive statements, not to deny them. Unless you can produce admixture maps of these individuals, there is no proof that they are 12.5% or 25% Amerindian.

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I thought there was no genetic test for race?
Haha, no one said that it was a "genetic test for race," moron. What I said was admixture between distinct continental populations, not "races."

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What does a study done in a well-known raceless place like Brazil have to do with Argentina and Uruguay?
The whole world is a well-known raceless place. It's well known to everyone except moronic white supremacists.

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So you are denying that there is no policy to "de-construct" and define European descended people around the world out of existence?
I'm a European-descended person myself.

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I know, in the back of your head, you know these studies are politically motivated. Argentinians in the 80's and part of the 90's were very angry and resistant about the flood of brown grub-eaters from neighboring countries, and they still are.
Argentines in the 20's and part of the 30's were very angry and resistant about the flood of pink grub-eaters from Europe.

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Argentina and especially Uruguay had few people until European immigration to these countries.
Evidence for this statement?

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I guess you're too thick to see that he is relating this to, yes, the industrial revolution.
Obviously, idiot.

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All of the world's history is irrelevant to Marx, everything everywhere was simply leading up to a Western European phenomenon in the 18th century, that is the beginning and end of history until the Proletarians overtake the bourgeoisie.
LOL! Far from being "irrelevant," the historical events he described were integral to the foundations of the Industrial Revolution, which would not have occurred without the Columbian exchange, the Atlantic slave trade, etc.

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There have been probably millions of college kikes that get paid to sit around and write new ways to spin Marx. It doesn't debunk the fact that Marxism is Euro-centric, and for an Amerindian like you to take it up is assuming "white"(Jewish) supremacy.
I am not a Marxist...and I thought you fascists said that Jews were Middle Easterners.

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Even the most advanced amerindians were thousands of years behind whites. Aztecs and Incas were interesting and advanced races, but they were still light years behind even Rome and Ancient Greece.
A moronic statement. Sixteenth century Tenochtitlan was more heavily populated than London or Paris, with Mesoamerica boasting science, mathematics, and medicine more advanced than that of Europe.
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Looks like you got your stupid ass beat, clown!
Every hour and a half I have to waste arguing that Central America is distinct from North America, why Mexican drug cartel violence can't be compared to some petty thefts by starving white immigrants to Argentina, or how it is impossible to be 1% Amerindian in Argentina due to relatively recent European settlement there, is an hour and a half I'm not using for something useful.

Unlike you, I don't get paid to play video games on an army base all day long. After you admitted that you don't even believe the things you write here, and fall back on that every time you lose a debate, I'll let you have this one thanks to attrition.
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Unlike you, I don't get paid to play video games on an army base all day long. After you admitted that you don't even believe the things you write here, and fall back on that every time you lose a debate, I'll let you have this one thanks to attrition.
I'm not in the Army, and I've never said that I "don't believe" what I write. You can't even get these basic facts right, so it's no surprise that you got your stupid ass handed to you in this debate, son.
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I'm not in the Army, and I've never said that I "don't believe" what I write. You can't even get these basic facts right, so it's no surprise that you got your stupid ass handed to you in this debate, son.
You have said numerous times that you are just a "parody" of a nationalist, to hold up a mirror to whitey and show us how evil and intolerant we are. That's what you say every time someone argues with you and you lose. You only seem to break this act when you get on your knees and start to shamelessly toss Jew salad. Feverish quoting of Jared Diamond, yet no mention that he's a Zionist and has expressed that it's great to separate "real jews" from fake jews through DNA. I wonder, would you ever quote a Third Reich anthropologist as a source like that? They weren't nearly as "racist" as Zionists like Diamond.
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