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Old August 10th, 2009 #1
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http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/200...accused_o.html

North Bergen blogger accused of threatening federal judges is held without bail

by The Associated Press Monday August 10, 2009, 5:23 PM


CHICAGO -- A blogger who once kept tabs on extremist groups as a paid informant for the FBI was ordered held without bail today while awaiting trial on charges that he threatened the lives of three federal judges.

Hal Turner, 47, of North Bergen, N.J., represents too great a danger to the community to be freed from custody, U.S. Magistrate Judge Martin C. Ashman said.

"I don't know of any combination of conditions that could alleviate the danger to the community," Ashman said.

Turner wrote on his blog June 2 that three federal appeals judges "deserve to be killed" for their decision in a case involving ordinances banning handguns in Chicago and suburban Oak Park.

The three-judge panel declined to declare the ordinances unconstitutional, saying it was a decision that would have to be made by the U.S. Supreme Court.

Turner called the judges "scum" and said "their blood will replenish the tree of liberty."

His attorneys say he never advocated the judges' murder but merely gave his opinion, which was constitutionally protected free speech.

At the hearing, prosecutors acknowledged that for several years Turner was a paid FBI informant, saying in a letter to his lawyers he had supplied information on "right-wing white nationalist and white supremacist groups."

Turner turned a .22-caliber silencer kit sent to him over to the FBI in July 2007, saying it was "the perfect item for an assassin."

He also e-mailed agents in November 2007 with word that Ku Klux Klan members were planning an arson at Middle Tennessee State University because a student there had been "willfully antagonizing folks in the pro-white movement."

Prosecutors said the relationship between Turner and the FBI had ended some time ago. But as recently as last November, Turner told federal marshals about a man who spoke of wanting to "lob mortars" into the rally held on election night in Chicago's downtown Grant Park that was celebrating President Barack Obama's election.


Assistant U.S. Attorney William Hogan told Ashman, however, that agents had located the man who turned out to be "a drunk in a bar." He said nothing came of the matter.

In denying bond, Ashman focused on an incident at a jail in Newark, N.J., after Turner was arrested on charges of threatening the judges.

Ashman said Turner promised prosecutors he would stay off the Internet. While behind bars, however, he made a nine-minute phone call in which he gave the names of three FBI agents who had arrested him. The call was then broadcast over Internet radio.

The government tries to minimize publicity about the names of agents investigating cases involving potentially violent criminals.

"The information (about agents) he gave out might threaten somebody's safety -- the information that he broadcast could imperil somebody," Ashman said.

Turner also is accused of threatening two Connecticut lawmakers after urging his blog readers to "take up arms" against them. His arraignment has been postponed to Aug. 18. Turner's lawyer has said that case also is about freedom of speech.
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Old August 10th, 2009 #2
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Old August 10th, 2009 #3
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This explains why his army of skin heads haven't broken him out of jail, nor set off any earthquakes in the area, creating a diversion so he could make his escape.

I do feel bad for all the honest Whites that were duped into supporting him though.
 
Old August 10th, 2009 #4
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I hope he goes to prison, and I hope someone there does the right thing.
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I am speechless with shock.
I have known Hal for years and the man described in this report is not the man with whom I have spoken and with whom I have dealt on many occasions.
I would like to speak privately with Hal about what was said in court to find out more about the matter.
As I have said previously, if Hal was such an FBI 'asset' he would not be languishing in a ZOG dungeon.
Something here does not add up.
The ZOG police/intelligence agencies here in Australia have been trying to get me to roll over for three years. It seems to be standard practice to target anyone who has any sort of a profile.
Not going to happen.
I have spent time in the cells and been interrogated. I have even been dragged into court as a thought criminal under a law which (like the Holyhoax law) has a provision that truth is not a defence.
'Deals' were offered. None were taken.
That the ZOG feels the need to use such tactics shows how desperate and morally bankrupt they are.
Until I can speak with Hal I will not form a view one way or the other.
Call it misguided loyalty if you wish.
 
Old August 10th, 2009 #6
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I am speechless with shock.
I have known Hal for years and the man described in this report is not the man with whom I have spoken and with whom I have dealt on many occasions.
I would like to speak privately with Hal about what was said in court to find out more about the matter.
As I have said previously, if Hal was such an FBI 'asset' he would not be languishing in a ZOG dungeon.
Something here does not add up.
The ZOG police/intelligence agencies here in Australia have been trying to get me to roll over for three years. It seems to be standard practice to target anyone who has any sort of a profile.
Not going to happen.
I have spent time in the cells and been interrogated. I have even been dragged into court as a thought criminal under a law which (like the Holyhoax law) has a provision that truth is not a defence.
'Deals' were offered. None were taken.
That the ZOG feels the need to use such tactics shows how desperate and morally bankrupt they are.
Until I can speak with Hal I will not form a view one way or the other.
Call it misguided loyalty if you wish.
One thing is absolutely certain: the Associated Press is not a reliable source of information.

Like the military, law enforcement agencies sometimes deliberately issue mis-information to the public.
 
Old August 13th, 2009 #7
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Until I can speak with Hal I will not form a view one way or the other. Call it misguided loyalty if you wish.
Hal most certainly works with the FEDs and many of us Americans that aired on TRN have been continually dealing with his snake handlers since June.

Take a bit of friendly advice and distance yourself from Hal before he drags you down with him.
 
Old August 10th, 2009 #8
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He's a traitor. Lower than the lowest nigger. Worse than the most scheming jew or a braindead kwan tard. Niggers, jews and kwans do what they do because that is what they are. Hal, unlike the kwans, is a White man who KNOWS the truth about things and spat in everyone's faces....

A militia guy named Koernke used to talk about the informants that think they are pet puppies. They are for a while and then they get thrown to the wolves.

Well, if Hal is going to do Fed time, there will be small groups of Dirty White Boys. They may do him in, they may get niggers to, or they may ignore him. Time will tell.
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Old August 10th, 2009 #9
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He also e-mailed agents in November 2007 with word that Ku Klux Klan members were planning an arson at Middle Tennessee State University because a student there had been "willfully antagonizing folks in the pro-white movement."

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LOCAL PAPER HEADLINE:"Student threatened by anti-semitic group"
should read "Big Mouth Jew Ran To Cops!"


Photo of Zachary Elliott Teel supplied to Hal Turner Show by MTSU student
Zachary "Elliott Teel"; a regular pain in the ass on the Visitor Comment Areas of this web site; ends up with cops to prevent "tune-up"

Middle Tennessee State University in Murfreesboro, TN calls-in Campus cops, Murfreesboro, TN cops, Local Sheriff, State Troopers and even FBI last night.

I hear rumors that "friends" of The Hal Turner Show allegedly prepared to pay "Elliott" a visit last night after midnight. I also hear rumors they became aware of enormous police surveillance and a large police presence in and around the Monohon Dorm, Room 117 at Middle Tennessee State University in Murfreesboro, TN where "Elliott Teel" resides.

Apparently the self-described 6' 6" big mouth jew isn't so tough after all; allowing cops to save him from his own big mouth.

For months, Elliott Teel talked tough on the message forums of this web site, hurling anti-American, anti-White, Anti-Christian abuse at the people who frequent this site. He spewed so much politically-correct nonsense that he was repeatedly BANNED from the comment areas. He circumvented the ban by changing his IP address to get around the firewall which had blocked him out. He delivered his views with an arrogant jew attitude. When people here got tired of his abusiveness, they made remarks along the lines of "you wouldn't say that to my face" after which Mr. Teel went so far as to publish his own school and dorm address info and DARE anyone to come see him personally! You can see it for yourself HERE

When it came time to step up and stand his ground; Mr. Teel went running to the cops. How faggoty!

As with many jews, Mr. Teel is trying to portray himself a "victim." It just isn't so. Mr. Teel deliberately and maliciously antagonized people and publicly challenged anyone to come deal with him on campus. He brought all this upon himself through his personal and deliberate action.

This is a good opportunity for me to remind everyone that what goes on at this web site is not a joke. The issues raised here are serious. The people who visit this site are deadly serious in their commitment to the White race and we simply will not abide opposition or interference from the non-white hordes or their jew puppet masters.

Unlike other pro-White sites, the people who come to this site don't simply talk, they take real life action.

There is a severe price to be paid for provoking us and we are not afraid to collect regardless of the provocateur's position, status, money or power. Leave us alone and we will leave you alone.
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Old August 10th, 2009 #10
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Hal Turned once said that all non-Xians (including Whites) should be exterminated. That is when I lost interest in him.

Have any of you seen him in action?

At the first Knoxville rally, we Tennessean WNs were embarrassed when Turner opened his mouth and started telling the press that the Klan was going to start hanging the negroes in Knoxville. Thankfully he stayed home for the second Knoxville rally.
 
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No definite comment about this yet. Too soon to judge. Not enough credible information.

It could be that Turner fed inconsequential disinformation to the JOG in order to prove he himself is against illegal activities.

In the 80s, I regularly invited county sheriffs and Joe Momier of the NC Bureau of Investigation to our marches and rallies, and I allowed them to subscribe to our monthly newspaper - all for the purpose of proving the White Patriot Party operated legally. I even had them in my home where myself and other WPP leaders chatted with them and gave them WN literature. And of course, I reported all this to our members via my newspaper and at regular meetings. Not one single member ever objected.

Has any WN sufferred, in any way, because of Turner's communications with law enforcement personnel ??
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Has any WN sufferred, in any way, because of Turner's communications with law enforcement personnel ??
Was Hal paid tens of thousands of dollars by the FBI for doing nothing but forwarding threatening posts on his blog and reporting a drunk in a bar?

Hal's supporters sure are a gullible lot.

Perhaps if everyone in jail had their own internet connection we would know who all is currently in prison because of Hal Turner.
 
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Was Hal paid tens of thousands of dollars by the FBI for doing nothing but forwarding threatening posts on his blog and reporting a drunk in a bar?

Hal's supporters sure are a gullible lot.

Perhaps if everyone in jail had their own internet connection we would know who all is currently in prison because of Hal Turner.
You're point is well taken, however someone out there would be aware of a WN rounded up by the feds with some kind of suspicious link to Turner. I haven't heard of any. I haven't heard of any trial. There would at least be rumours, certainly now that the cat is out of the bag. Still nothing as of yet.
 
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No definite comment about this yet. Too soon to judge. Not enough credible information.

It could be that Turner fed inconsequential disinformation to the JOG in order to prove he himself is against illegal activities.

In the 80s, I regularly invited county sheriffs and Joe Momier of the NC Bureau of Investigation to our marches and rallies, and I allowed them to subscribe to our monthly newspaper - all for the purpose of proving the White Patriot Party operated legally. I even had them in my home where myself and other WPP leaders chatted with them and gave them WN literature. And of course, I reported all this to our members via my newspaper and at regular meetings. Not one single member ever objected.

Has any WN sufferred, in any way, because of Turner's communications with law enforcement personnel ??

Do you mean like charges of sedition or armed robbery and murder???

Nothing like that yet.
 
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I've given my opinion of Turner many times before.

I don't trust him based on my dealings with him and the fact that he lies about both his own costs and simply invents stories out of thin air and runs them as real news. VNN's backer paid him a lot of money to host us a few years ago. During the half-summer we were on his server, VNN was down about half the time. Worse than any other server we've been with. I loaded stories for three days, and only then did he tell me I was loading them to the wrong server.

There's no excuse for what he has done. Those of you claiming to be shocked are pathetic.

When will some of you get it through your heads that liars do more damage than good?

We hardly need to lie to advance our cause. All we need is the truth, put in simple, direct form, repeated endlessly. That alone won't get the job done, but it is certainly the starting point. The rest I lay out in "Strategy" and related forums below.

Those of you defending Turner belong to the class of loser-fantasists that, even here, we see far too many of. If you think it costs Hal Turner thousands of dollars a month to run his network, you are too stupid to be of use to any political cause. If you can't tell that Hal made up most of his news...same thing. If you're making excuses for him, you're worse than pathetic. Your type will cause this thing to happen over and over again.

Lying and blowharding do nothing for our cause. Wake up and realize that. It's one thing to be a patriotard+race, as Hal was, and at a truly professional level. That's fine as far as it goes. We can use a Sean Hannity or Rush Limbaugh-style radio voice. But to make stuff up and to issue threats you know you have no intention of following through on is incredibly destructive. Not merely to yourself, as White and Turner have found, but more subtly in that it attracts precisely the kind of easily impressed loser that is sheer avoirdupois on any worthwhile cause.

Rounder, if you had done what Turner did, I would have nothing to do with you. There is no excuse for what he did. Whereas, in your case, the Order wronged you. And I have not seen a single one of the Order fangirls acknowledge that. The Order did nothing for our cause except destroy the most successful American White political group created since before WWII.

Just one last time, in case you don't get it: You making excuses for Turner are pathetic losers. Your very comments show that you are not to be trusted.
 
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If Hal Turner was a paid FBI informant, the government sure has a twisted way of thanking him for his services. The manner in which Hal is currently being crucified and persecuted by the government makes me skeptical about him ever being an informant in the first place. It's hard to imagine a genuine FBI informant and agent provocateur being hammered so hard by the same feds that Hal had supposedly helped. As the Irishmen pointed out, I think this is a desperation attempt by Hal and his lawyers to avoid a long prison sentence.

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After listening to this mouthpiece, his claim that Hal was a “paid informant” sounds like it may just be a tactical defense. Who knows? Who can say for sure at this point? Staring Matt Hale-like federal time in the face, snuggling up to ZOG is a desperate Hail Mary that they both may feel he needs to take.
I personally don't like or approve this tactic (if indeed it is just a tactic) However, facing a possible 40 year jail sentence is a desperate situation that would require a desperate measure.
 
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No definite comment about this yet. Too soon to judge. Not enough credible information.
There is for me. His lawyers and family are certainly acting on his instructions. I have met Hal in person. He has precisely the bearing of the cop - bluff, hearty, loud, strong. It is easy for me to believe that he helped the FBI for free or for pay, in order to get money or thrills. He obviously is someone who makes no great distinction between fantasy and reality. That and his actions make him dangerous to the rest of us and our cause. You anonyms making excuses for him truly are pathetic.
 
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Good posts Alex.
 
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There is for me. His lawyers and family are certainly acting on his instructions. I have met Hal in person. He has precisely the bearing of the cop - bluff, hearty, loud, strong. It is easy for me to believe that he helped the FBI for free or for pay, in order to get money or thrills. He obviously is someone who makes no great distinction between fantasy and reality. That and his actions make him dangerous to the rest of us and our cause. You anonyms making excuses for him truly are pathetic.
It isn't a question as to whether or not Hal Turner was an F.B.I. informant, that has been settled. Who here is questioning that? People are merely questioning the capacity in which he acted. Is this not important or relevant? This is why people are holding back final judgment. I would hardly call this making excuses. Knowing how the jew likes to play, this is understandable. I would argue that those who rush to judgment without all the facts can be quite dangerous and easily manipulated. Isn't this how the jew causes in-fighting with ease?
 
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