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Old October 11th, 2014 #1
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[probably will make this a new forum, and pull some good threads in. infighting, conducted correctly (within limits i describe in my essay posted in various sticky threads) is useful, is good, is necessary. here i respond to something brad griffin said]

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As an ethnonationalist, I consider my field of activities limited to my own country, Dixie. Beyond that, I sympathize with the plight of Whites abroad, especially in southern Africa, but it is incumbent upon, say, Hungarians to bail Hungary out of the ditch of liberal democracy.

As I see it, the problem with the “Imperium Europa” idea is that it a species of universalism that causes White Nationalists to dissipate their energies over an enormous geographic area. Beyond sympathizing with our counterparts abroad, there’s nothing much we can do about their situation. The best thing we can do to help them is focusing on getting marginally more powerful and organized in our own countries.
The problem with this seemingly reasonable statement (apart from Griffin's not believing it or anything, as he is a coreless sophist) is that it's not about what you think is wise, it's about the nature of the enemy. Of course, the conservative coward's approach is that our race doesn't have enemies. So we needn't take them into account. We just blithely play the democratic voting game, try to get better at it. La di da. This produces the same nugatory result is always has.

Our enemy is the international jew and, to use modern parlance, international jew is international. For instance, the ADL whistles, and Greek minister Samaras comes running to a dinner in NYC, where he reassures Big Kike he's doing all he can to jail and suppress Golden Dawn. "Yessuh, Mr. Jew Boss man, I will indeed turn Greece into Pakistan per your noble jewly orders, jes' takes a little more time, suh." In Greece. Thousands of miles away. A small Mediterranean nation with some beaches and maybe 5,000 jews. Over the next year, Golden Dawn's 18 MPs are jailed, most of them. A new anti-free speech bill is passed. It is announced that ADL will be formally brainwashing cops and supplying 'educational' propaganda materials for Greek schools.

Now you want to tell me you can just ignore all this and focus on your country? No. It doesn't work like that. The battle is global. Regardless of what you like or prefer. Whites simply must network with racially aware whites wherever they find them, and all over the globe. That's the only approach that makes sense. Whites, for instance, can use this forum to speak freely about what's going on in the 90% of the white world in which free speech is literally illegal. That's just one way whites can and must help brother whites around the globe. Circumstances change. It is not 1940, it is 2014. Some things are the same, that is true, but some things have changed. The height of white sanity is turning the new technologies and social media to white advantage, and this a global thing.

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Old October 11th, 2014 #2
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Beefs: This Is The WN Movement

Posted on October 9, 2014 by Hunter Wallace

Get your popcorn.

Check out this partial list of ongoing current beefs:

Greg Johnson vs. Daily Stormer

Greg Johnson vs. Richard Spencer

Alternative Right vs. Daily Stormer

Alex Linder vs. Jared Taylor

Alex Linder vs. Greg Johnson

Ramzpaul vs. Robert Ransdell

Daily Stormer vs. Ramzpaul

Greg Johnson vs. Matt Parrott

Bob Whitaker vs. Stormfront

Alex Linder vs. Bob Whitaker

Sebastian Ronin vs. Countless People (who the fuck is Ronin?)

My Picks For Most Intense Beef

Hadding vs. Harold Covington

Will Williams vs. Harold Covington

Axis Sally vs. Harold Covington

http://www.occidentaldissent.com/201...e-wn-movement/
 
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Greg Johnson critiquing Anglin and Daily Stormer, response from Mr. Anglin also included:

http://vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=212629

Greg Johnson, short comment on Anglin's article:

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OK, I read Anglin’s response. It was not so bad. It might explain the recent spike in sales of The Homo and the Negro, though I hope not.

His big error is asserting that Jewish power rests on the Holocaust, hence revisionism and going full Nazi.

I dealt with that view quite adequately in “Dealing with the Holocaust,http://www.counter-currents.com/2014...the-holocaust/
http://www.counter-currents.com/2014...#comment-56321

No, you didn't. You got gangbanged (sweet dreams eh...) in this thread on that particular subject:

http://vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=144074

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Old October 11th, 2014 #4
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Greg Johnson vs. Richard Spencer
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There is an ethical void at the heart of NPI. Spencer had a reputation for being dishonest and exploitative, but I basically ignored it because (1) I like to make up my own mind about people, and (2) I think he is intelligent and likable. But he falsely accused me of spreading false information so he could manipulate and exploit people for his own selfish ends.

Well, I can’t say I wasn’t warned. And now you can’t say so either.
After Spencer closed the Alternative Right blog Johnson was on a podcast with him helping make excuses for that betrayal.

Once a backstabber, always a backstabber.
 
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I'll add a couple to the list not that I'm a gossip.

Mike Delaney (Prothink, Trutube) VS Ramzpaul

Apparently Delaney visited Ramzpaul and Ramzpaul shut the door on his face and called the cops lol after Ramzpaul filled a lawsuit against Trutube or some shit. Heard it in a podcast.
Link to podcast:

http://www.dailystormer.com/prothink...hite-movement/

Really shitty move from Ramzpaul, whom, instead of taking contact and asking Delaney to take down the video, decided to immediately file a lawsuit.

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Andrew Anglin Vs Scott Roberts (pretty sure they had some bust up).
Not sure what all that was about, but here you can read Anglin's "final response":

http://www.totalfascism.com/final-sc...erts-response/

I believe it had something to do with people like John Friend and some others, who engages in theories like that 911 was a hologram and shit. Can't remember the details.

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Old October 11th, 2014 #6
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After Spencer closed the Alternative Right blog Johnson was on a podcast with him helping make excuses for that betrayal.

Once a backstabber, always a backstabber.
Yeah, funny that. The only unusual thing about Johnson's latest breast-beating i-should-have-known-better is he didn't call Spencer narcissistic. As he has every other person he's fallen out with. But he probably has and I missed it or he will.

There's no fidelity - to people or to principles.

"Lew" got it right - once again, the solid VNN principle of rejecting those who exculpate jews proves its validity as a white-protecting principle

Either you're openly pro-white and anti-jew, or you're not one of us.

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Old October 11th, 2014 #7
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Brad: can you run this version rather than the above? I want to correct an overstatement.

DD: What happened between me and Spencer is right out on the surface: I stated publicly the reasons why I thought it too risky to attend the NPI conference in Budapest, revealing facts that Spencer had not yet revealed.

His response was to lie and say that my facts were wrong and I was passing speculation off as fact. His clear intention had been to keep people in the dark about the dangers he was putting them in, so they would continue going to Budapest. By casting doubt on my veracity, he wanted to continue bamboozling people into attending.

I now know of two others besides Richard Spencer and Bill Regnery who were arrested and deported from Hungary and have been banned from the Schengen zone for three years.

Their only connection to the conference was to register at the Novotel. Also, apparently they were arrested because they were already banned from the Schengen zone.

That means that the Hungarian government took a list of conference attendees and entered them in the Schengen Information System, which means that whoever is on that list can be arrested and expelled for trying to enter any Schengen countries (basically, all of Western Europe except Ireland and the UK — although they too have access to the ban list, apparently).

Of course only people from outside the Schengen zone can be banned in such a way. That applies mostly to Americans and Canadians, but there were probably other non-Schengen zone citizens registered as well.

This means that people could continue to be arrested for the next three years because of NPI as they try to enter the Schengen zone, perhaps on a business trip or a family vacation.

They know this at NPI. They knew it before I did. Don’t you think that NPI should have leveled with people who registered about this uncomfortable fact by now?

Again: anyone who registered at the Budapest Novotel or who is otherwise known to have been attending the NPI conference, and who is not a citizen of a Schengen zone country, could already have been banned from the Schengen zone for the next three years and could be arrested and deported for trying to enter any such country during that period.

There is an ethical void at the heart of NPI. Spencer had a reputation for being dishonest and exploitative, but I basically ignored it because (1) I like to make up my own mind about people, and (2) I think he is intelligent and likable. But he falsely accused me of spreading false information so he could manipulate and exploit people for his own selfish ends.

Well, I can’t say I wasn’t warned. And now you can’t say so either.
Everybody fails Greggy. Then piously he lifts his eyes heavenward, shakes his head nobly and sadly, and earnestly swears to soldier on and do better next time. So sodo-jesusy.

Spencer is simply a nebbish. I think of him as a Strom lite. Less brains, less character, even.

Again I ask, please ignore the man saying this and consider the point: where has mixing with conservatism gotten white nationalism?

Why not attack it as another enemy, and thereby create something original and unique in American politics? Something brave that average Americans can get behind?
 
Old October 11th, 2014 #8
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Greg Johnson critiquing Anglin and Daily Stormer, response from Mr. Anglin also included:

http://vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=212629

Greg Johnson, short comment on Anglin's article:



http://www.counter-currents.com/2014...#comment-56321

No, you didn't. You got gangbanged (sweet dreams eh...) in this thread on that particular subject:

http://vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=144074
Johnson has grown mealy mouthed. He thinks he's being clever, but unprincipled and disloyal is closer to the truth. Johnson suppresses anyone trying to leave critical comments at his site while he runs around the net making excuses for himself and claiming he's winning arguments.

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Johnson is building a reputation for being mealy mouthed. He thinks he's being clever, but he's merely being unprincipled and disloyal is closer to the truth. Notice too that Johnson suppresses anyone trying to leave critical comments at his side while he runs around the net making excuses for himself and claiming he's winning arguments.
I started noticing that during this whole Ukraine-thing. He simply rejected all critical comments as "Kremlin-propaganda", and insinuated people were being paid trolls and the like.

Pathetic. Same thing happened in Sweden btw. I am very skeptical of these people.
 
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Sebastian Ronin vs. Countless People (who the fuck is Ronin?)

My Picks For Most Intense Beef

Hadding vs. Harold Covington

Will Williams vs. Harold Covington

Axis Sally vs. Harold Covington

http://www.occidentaldissent.com/201...e-wn-movement/
Ronin is an Austrian (I think) now in Canada, pushing some kind of international leftist-NS virtual grouplet mainly on Facebook, last I saw. I have argued with him. He has an attractive sprightliness, and grasps some things about politics that conservatives and conservative-minded WN do not, but I don't agree with his anti-corporate/environmental millenialism. Not a bad guy, from little I know, I just think he's wrong. He's very disputatious too, in that way he's like, uh, me.
 
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Ronin is an Austrian now in Canada, pushing some kind of international leftist-NS virtual grouplet mainly on Facebook, last I saw. I have argued with him. He has an attractive sprightliness, and grasps some things about politics that conservatives and conservative-minded WN do not, but I don't agree with his anti-corporate millenialism. Not a bad guy, from little I know, I just think he's wrong. He's very disputatious too, in that way he's like, uh, me.
Thanks. Never heard of him before.

He comments on the Budapest-debacle:


Seems eccentric.
 
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one one side of this political grand canyon there's racialism. on the other side conservatism. in the middle is alt-right.

cleverness aint clever, boys. but ever and anon they'll think it is.

to switch metaphors, dont try to 3/4 the north wind, it'll only blow you over. face it directly, march straight thru it, with all the difficulty and pain that entails. the way that seems the hardest is actually the easiest. is actually the only way that works.
 
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I started noticing that during this whole Ukraine-thing. He simply rejected all critical comments as "Kremlin-propaganda", and insinuated people were being paid trolls and the like.

Pathetic. Same thing happened in Sweden btw. I am very skeptical of these people.
i read something once about homosexuals that i think applies to johnson. i forget where i read it, but it said that the average homosexual's great dream is to host a rich dinner party with lavish accoutrements and educated, stylish guests. johnson, as one sees in disputing with him, is concerned with mattering, himself, personally. being part of whatever club he sees as dominant. this is mainly KM and the Vdare crowd, and the AmRen crowd too. These are where the money and professional heft are, even if they're not really racialists, in most cases. He wants to circulate among and be well thought of by this set, and doesn't give it any more thought than that. He has achieved his goal, and he feels good about it. That he has jettisoned valid principles and necessary political loyalties doesn't concern him.
 
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we have two schools of thought. the clever johnsons and whitakers and even macdonald say don't bother attacking the enemy's strong point - the 'holocaust' whether its real or not.

the other side, VNN's (and Anglin's too), says yes, we have all the evidence we need to go right after it:


but even if we didn't, out of loyalty we cant turn our back on the original NS nor the researchers who confirmed that jews have been lying about 6m and gas chambers.

I still have yet to see anyone of johnson's "throw the Nazis under the jewish bus" school explain how Golden Dawn succeeded so well the System was forced to jail all its leaders when GD has been the most overtly NS-emulative of any party seen in decades.

By everything men like johnson claim, Golden Dawn should have been an abject failure.

There's a reason the fakes, the WINOs, like Jared Taylor don't like to talk about Golden Dawn, and that's that it shows up who and what they actually are - pseuds and weaklings, along with professional subverters.

Our movement to succeed must be fearless, and laughter conveys fearlessness more than pretty much any other quality or disposition. Anglin understands this, if the others do not.

Whites need leadership. That means willingness to fight. Verbally, from the leaders. And physically, from the leaders and followers.

PhDs who throw in the towel on the most signficant intellectual battles of our day -- when the evidence is on our side -- won't ever lead anything except another boring, expensive conference-vacation.

How many the fuck of you have the money to drop a few K to fly off to Hungary and hear the same old shit you've already heard 100x and can find on video anyway?

This is just empty conservatism masquerading as something more.

There's no point to have a conference, the point would be to have, as someone said, a White council - to issue a white symbol (as in guarnteed white goods/media) or to settle on a word for the hatred I've termed loxism, if a different term is desired.

Whites are waiting for someone to lead, and that someone won't be anything from Vdare/AmRen or any of their suckers-up like the queer johnson.
 
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griffin again:

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It would have definitely been a nice place to visit, but it is up to Hungarians and Europeans to save themselves.
How shortsighted. Where would America have gotten without French help in the revolution?

There's no reason in the world not to help our fellow whites anywhere in the world if it's in our power to do so. That's how jews operate, and they are 'winning' ie running things. Take your tip from winners, not losers. Jews don't say, it's up to jews in Greece to save themselves. They say, we will use our money and political power to force what's good for the tiny jew minority on the 99% Greek white majority.

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i read something once about homosexuals that i think applies to johnson. i forget where i read it, but it said that the average homosexual's great dream is to host a rich dinner party with lavish accoutrements and educated, stylish guests. johnson, as one sees in disputing with him, is concerned with mattering, himself, personally. being part of whatever club he sees as dominant. this is mainly KM and the Vdare crowd, and the AmRen crowd too. These are where the money and professional heft are, even if they're not really racialists, in most cases. He wants to circulate among and be well thought of by this set, and doesn't give it any more thought than that. He has achieved his goal, and he feels good about it. That he has jettisoned valid principles and necessary political loyalties doesn't concern him.
Amen to that. A lot of the political invincibility and power Leftists and Jew-bought cronies seem to have comes from nobody just standing up and confronting them without mincing words. In fact, so rare is this, that when these forces are exposed and confronted, their teleprompters and speech writers rarely have an adequate response to direct allegations (with proof) of being thieves or jew tools.
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cost of flying to hungary and back to hear what's already been said 100x and put online in all forms: $2k

cost of every pro-white using the same rhetorical terms - $0

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i cant even sell people on the importance of getting on the same page verbally.

we have a free press, supposedly. but our WN position is uniformly described as 'hate' in the controlled media. do you notice how effective that is?

we need a counter-term for every jewish agitprop term.

i regard that as self-evident.

no one else seems to see the need.

they're perfectly happy - including johnson and KM - to use the terms devised by our enemy, as though they're perfectly neutral. this has the effect of ratifying them, of making their anti-white agitprop legitimate.

i dont expect formal academics instinctively to know what i'm talking about, but they are smart enough they ought to be able to use their IQ and learning to overcome their vibe-deafness.

you simply can't use opponents prejudicial terms and win. you have to use your own, and force them thru the crust. make them underground-sexy-cool-popular. this is how we create Our Thing as distinct from Their Anti-White Thing.

this is 101 to me, but i can't seem to get anyone else to see it.

i mean, it doesnt cost ANY money to use designer terms like hush crimes or loxism, terms which are potentially functional equivalents of racism adn hate crimes - except they support our side and contain our positions

in short, how can win the physical war when we cant even seem to perceive the verbal war?

why must we always be conventional-defensive (conservative) rather than aggressive?
 
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Amen to that. A lot of the political invincibility and power Leftists and Jew-bought cronies seem to have comes from nobody just standing up and confronting them without mincing words. In fact, so rare is this, that when these forces are exposed and confronted, their teleprompters and speech writers rarely have an adequate response to direct allegations (with proof) of being thieves or jew tools.
that's right. i did this to jew halberstam (now dead) ten years ago. it was hilarious. he turned redder than i've ever seen a human turn. they are UNUSED to any kind of opposition, and i wanted to show the 'nice' midwestern naive but smart kids what is possible.
 
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PhDs who throw in the towel on the most signficant intellectual battles of our day -- when the evidence is on our side -- won't ever lead anything except another boring, expensive conference-vacation.

How many the fuck of you have the money to drop a few K to fly off to Hungary and hear the same old shit you've already heard 100x and can find on video anyway?
The selfishness and narcissism of those assholes. Every person who spent thousands to attend that NPI conference could've sent that money to Robert Ransdell, or wired it to Golden Dawn in Greece, or started a campaign to help struggling Boers, or something else with actual meaning. No solidarity= no victory.

In a sense, the Jewish synagogue culture of eternal and useless debate has supplanted the Aryan man of action. Trustafarians like Johnson and Spencer have trouble relating to the underdog story of Hitler, a man who did instead of debate, because they've never known struggle. Incessant yapping is a privilege reserved for the very few. They see more of themselves in the Junger-style Conservatives who plotted to assassinate Hitler because he threatened their decadent order, than they do in the popular social revolution Hitler led globally.

The New Right is very concerned with how they look, because they don't want to be bigoted rednecks. Fine. Hitler's forces not only united the entire white world (except the parts that speak English), but even had pretty much all the non-white races eager to help establish the Nationalsocialist order, which was the simple universal nationalism vs selective globalization by Jews.

Absolutely refusing to acknowledge any of the kind of earth shaking achievements the Germans made in the racial struggle is a pitfall that leads right into Jewish hands. Joseph Goebbels' writings from the 30's and 40's have far more wisdom and useful information for activists today than any of Richard Spencer's zombie movie youtube reviews. Isn't that sad, that no ideological advances in the racial cause have been made in 70 years? If anything, regression is a better word for this time period. And why is that? It's because people like Taylor and Spencer refuse to even LOOK at what the Germans had to say, while the poof Johnson knows what they had to say (and knows they were right) but as a queer with no character, doesn't like rustling any feathers.
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Yes, I know what he’s getting at and he’s about as right as he is wrong, but let him also answer my question: When, since Hitler blew his brains out, has anybody waving around a swastika been democratically successful in America or Western Europe? LINK: http://alternative-right.blogspot.in...in-teacup.html
what is success? is it merely winning votes? republicans take the soft approach you advise, they've won election after election, and...we've done nothing but move left. so softening even if it leads to winning still ends up being losing.

why did they throw golden dawn in jail when it obtained 7% (seven fucking percent!) of the vote? perhaps they know something you don't, liddell. or perhaps your paycheck fears trump your capacity for analysis.

why isn't marine le pen in jail? because her party rejects race and embraces jews. you count this as a win.

why isn't the adl viciously denouncing le pen and demanding the party be criminalized?

liddell doesn't even address these because he cant answer them. he's just another conservative, pretending there's no elephant with a yarmulke in the democratic living room.
 
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