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Old November 12th, 2010 #1
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I am not left wing nor am I a hippie. But I do think dope should be legalised and regulated.

It has been proven time after time that dope is actually more healthy than smokes.

What do you think.
 
Old November 12th, 2010 #2
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I don't use it, but I agree it should be legalized. It would reduce crime by probably 80%, and eliminate the dangerous cartels and gangs.
 
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I don't use it, but I agree it should be legalized. It would reduce crime by probably 80%, and eliminate the dangerous cartels and gangs.
I've never understood why dope was made illegal in the first place. If it was legalised and regulated, the criminals would no longer be able to dominate the market and the government would be able to dictate how much dope would be available and what type of dope would be available for the general public.
 
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I've never understood why dope was made illegal in the first place. If it was legalised and regulated, the criminals would no longer be able to dominate the market and the government would be able to dictate how much dope would be available and what type of dope would be available for the general public.
It's illegal because of Anglo-Christian moral crusaders, originally, and because, now, it's make-work for cops.
 
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It's illegal because of Anglo-Christian moral crusaders, originally, and because, now, it's make-work for cops.
I heard that it was made illegal because the Bayer company viewed it as a cheap alternative to aspirin for minor pain relief and they had the money to bribe congress to eliminate competition. But I heard this from a pothead, so it may or may not be true.
 
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I really want to know what the people on the right wing side of politics think about the legalisation of dope. People think that right wingers are anti dope and anti this and that.

People think that some issues and beliefs belong to the lefties which isn't true.

You can be a conservative and believe in that women should have choices, that certain drugs should be legalised, that people's sexual habits should be left up to them etc etc etc.

I love babies but why can't women have the choice to have an abortion? Can't we be both pro life and pro choice?

I support contraception and I support porn being available. What is wrong with pornography and masturbation? We should take back right wing politics from the Christians and the uber religious freaks. Its time to fight back.
 
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I heard that it was made illegal because the Bayer company viewed it as a cheap alternative to aspirin for minor pain relief and they had the money to bribe congress to eliminate competition. But I heard this from a pothead, so it may or may not be true.
Cannibis was effectively demonized in this country by a cabal of industrialist such as William Randolph Hearst, DuPont, BigOil, BigGov, etc. In order to cripple and eliminate the long established hemp industry, the biggest cash crop in the country at the time and a boon to family farmers, in favor of increased production and sales of paper made from wood pulp (Hearst owned vast tracts of timberlands.) along with dozens of chemical/synthetic applications using plastics and nylon.
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When we talk about making 'dope' legal, what are we talking about?

Should all substances now illegal be legalized and sold at every convenience store in the country?

For those who say yes, I don't think they've seen the damages they can do.

Cannabis though may be a different matter, but even that, with the potency now attained by some growers and some strains of it is not something a person who's never smoked it before should be able to walk in a buy, thinking they'll make some Alice B. Toklas brownies. They'd be likely to wind up in an emergency room, so potent and consciousness altering it is.

I favor the medical model, and it may be that many are suffering from illness unnecessarily. For instance, I'm looking for cancer cures. So far the invitro and animal studies on cannabis show great promise. But like many things, our corrupted government is saying, "Cannabis is not a medicine".

Take a look at this:

http://cancerres.aacrjournals.org/co...6/13/6615.full

There's a TON of other things we already know cannabis either helps with or cures.
 
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People considering using cannabis should be aware of recent studies which show an increased risk of developing schizophrenia, especially in the developing teenage brain.

The human lung was not designed to process smoke of any kind and smoking will contribute to lung and heart disease.

That said, if people want to rake these risks then it is not for governments to punish them so severely.
 
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People considering using cannabis should be aware of recent studies which show an increased risk of developing schizophrenia, especially in the developing teenage brain.

The human lung was not designed to process smoke of any kind and smoking will contribute to lung and heart disease.

That said, if people want to rake these risks then it is not for governments to punish them so severely.

This is all true. Many waste years smoking cannabis, and then one day learn to make cannabis butter or ghee, and realize what they've been missing all that time.

Smoking cannabis, so I understand, even with a vaporizer one only gets around 7% of the CB1's in any given amount used. The CB1's create the mental effects, but by eating it, one gets the full amount of the THC and CB1's it has.

By eating it, it also lasts longer as it transits the whole body, and is absorbed more fully. Some find it effective as a Mood stabilizer with far less negative side effects than commonly prescribed prescription drugs for the same effects. But if one is using it, or considering using it (Where it is legal to do so) they should keep in close contact with others who are experienced in it's use, and also with their medical and psychological associates or caregivers.

That there are a wide variety of reactions to cannabis. It is a drug, a powerful drug, it is a medication. That is why I support the medical model of cannabis use, so that there are outside professional people monitoring one's over all health and mental functioning.

So I understand, or have read, Darius, the issue with increased levels of schizophrenia if used before the brain is fully developed in ones 20's may be related to the developing brain, or perhaps more young who are prone to schizophrenics are drawn to self medication. Which comes first in that case? The schizophrenia, or the cannabis? Is there really any real relation between the two, or are we creating a statistical illusion which we then attempt to make medical dogma?
 
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Cannabis though may be a different matter, but even that, with the potency now attained by some growers and some strains of it is not something a person who's never smoked it before should be able to walk in a buy, thinking they'll make some Alice B. Toklas brownies. They'd be likely to wind up in an emergency room, so potent and consciousness altering it is.
Sorry but never before in the history of killer bud has somebody ended up in the ER.
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You know what I think. Uuh! What? Oh yeah! I remember. Should dope be...Oh! fucking man, it's pretty outside. I gotta get outside. The fucking sky is so pretty and blue and the...Oh! wait, I remember, lunch. Damn! I gotta go eat lunch.

And corn chips and salsa.

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Sorry but never before in the history of killer bud has somebody ended up in the ER.
I believe if you research further, you will find there are, including policemen who decided to 'sample' what they confiscated and cooked up a huge batch of brownies, put in a couple ounces and ate the whole pan.

I'd agree that smoking is less likely to create extreme effects.
 
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including policemen who decided to 'sample' what they confiscated and cooked up a huge batch of brownies,
Well there you go. You don't give psychoactive drugs to dumb animals lacking in wit and reason.<sheesh>
(Besides it might not be good idea to mix 'roids w/ cannabis.)
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I heard that it was made illegal because the Bayer company viewed it as a cheap alternative to aspirin for minor pain relief and they had the money to bribe congress to eliminate competition. But I heard this from a pothead, so it may or may not be true.
Certainly wouldn't surprise me if something like that were a contributing influence to a law change. From 1850 to 1950 there were pretty big temperance movements, often led by females, aiming to stamp out drugs, drink, prostitution. Anglo culture has been warped by insane hypocritical zealots pretty much from day one, it is what makes their culture both dangerous and inferior. The curse of the US is it was set in this mold. If it's Anglo, Christian or jewish, it's BAD FOR WHITES.
 
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I really want to know what the people on the right wing side of politics think about the legalisation of dope. People think that right wingers are anti dope and anti this and that.
Right-wingers aren't anti-dope so much as pro-authority. They have a dog's instinct to grovel, most of them. Fellate our cops! Salute our veterans! These men are heroes. We wouldn't have any freedom without them! Pay your taxes like a good boy! Vote! Go to church! Authority can't be wrong - it's authority. If that ain't reason, Glenn Beck ain't a smart and funny guy!

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I love babies but why can't women have the choice to have an abortion? Can't we be both pro life and pro choice?
You're begging the question, which is a logical fallacy. Why should women be given special rights to murder?

If you've ever had a child, you've seen, when your gf or wife was pregnant, the baby crawling around under the skin of her stomach. If you're honest, or even if you're not, you realize with absolutely no doubt that the thing inside her is not her and is obviously a person. Abortion means giving her the right to murder that person. Maybe that's a good thing, maybe that's a bad thing, but it is certainly murder.

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I support contraception and I support porn being available. What is wrong with pornography and masturbation? We should take back right wing politics from the Christians and the uber religious freaks. Its time to fight back.
I would argue that religion while functionally conservative is in fact insane utopianist fantasizing characteristic of the left, which is why the Enlightenment liberals and traditional Christians are after the same thing, hate each other though they do.
 
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Pot should be decriminalized for personal use not regulated through dispensaries, drugs like meth or other chemicals should be illegal.
 
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Uber-Aryan Varg Vikernes states total legalization would be good and, more importantly, would work on a eugenic level!!!

Alot of the druggies would go off on benders and over-dose themselves or get into car crashes and end their horrid dysgenic existence and this short period of mayhem after total legalization would then eventually lead to a more eugenic society as the dregs and thralls are removed!!!

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All criminality which results from the use of strong narcotic substances is due to these substances which are expensive. It is money driven to get the remedy for more dope which results in this criminality. Had it been as cheap to buy it as it was to make it we would not have some of the criminals. So why is it not such? The users would kill themselves within a short time. And without criminals the "mother-pig" will not have such a large power over the people.

As I said, the user would kill themselves in a short time if the dope became too cheap and easily accessible. The more weak and sick who survive, the better, and who is actually more weak and sick than the addicts?

If the addicts are close to dying, then they are laid in a hospital, so that the Jewish-Christians can make it valueless the life of this weak human. ("For god is all life as more value," "The weaker the better" is certainly more correct to say") If these strong narcotic substances became legal, we would become rid of the weakest in society and a big part of the criminals would disappear (the other part stands "the mother-pig" for itself, as an economic criminal, trickery, acts of tyranny against the people, oppression and pestering of the people, theft from the people - as to use tax money of all others than for that which serves the Norwegian people, and much more.)


http://feastofhateandfear.com/archives/vargs.html

 
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Alot of the druggies would go off on benders and over-dose themselves or get into car crashes and end their horrid dysgenic existence and this short period of mayhem after total legalization would then eventually lead to a more eugenic society as the dregs and thralls are removed!!!
The only problem I have with that is if the druggies kill innocent civilians. I don't care about the druggies and we'll always have an underworld where they exist. If that problem can be figured out (innocents' deaths), then something I would have against it is eliminated. I don't think it is wise to say that the eugenically best individuals have to be able to survive random car crashes, eh? But I could see if avoiding one might be a skill in reflexes. The smartest and best should breed the most while the lessers can still breed to feel like they are committing to the evolution of the nation and people.
 
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IMO A Nation has no use random drug use, but a sad un-happy self hating regime ?


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