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Old May 15th, 2004 #1
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Iranians and their race!

In this thread you can all post information about Iranians and their race.
P.S.: I mean with Iranian not the member of the country Iran, I mean all Iranian speaking people. Iranian as a group of tribes like Slavs are a group of tribes!
 
Old May 15th, 2004 #2
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Here some important information:
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Old May 15th, 2004 #3
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mtDNA Map of Migration
http://www.roperld.com/graphics/MigrationMap.jpg

mtDNA Map of Distribution
http://www.mcdonald.cam.ac.uk/geneti...ibutionMap.gif

And also maps+histroy added of this region!
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Old May 15th, 2004 #4
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Default Dear Mr. Shapur

Actually, ShapuH, a Sasanian royal name. Do you speak or read Parsi, Pahlavi, Tadji, or at least Armenian? Or, you going to entertain the public with that bullshit English and German stuff?
 
Old May 15th, 2004 #5
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Originally Posted by Bei zhidov
Actually, ShapuH, a Sasanian royal name. Do you speak or read Parsi, Pahlavi, Tadji, or at least Armenian? Or, you going to entertain the public with that bullshit English and German stuff?
I speak Farsi and partly Parsi/old Persian and Sorani/Lori.
What is your point? Are you an Iranian?

Bedroud
 
Old May 15th, 2004 #6
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Default Dear Mr. Shapur

Being a Russian-born Serb myself, I (like all Serbs) am from Median descent. The other part of Medes became Gharabagh Armenians.
My point was this: some people keep referring to "European" sources to discuss things happened long before the word "Europe" was introduced.
I hope, you know that "Ayr" means "man" in Armenian. That "Iran" means "Land of Aryans", and it was Median king Key-Kavus (Cyaxarus by Herodotos) who invented the name.
And my mother tongue is Russian, though I studied many languages and even lived in Iran, working on contract.
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Originally Posted by Bei zhidov
Being a Russian-born Serb myself, I (like all Serbs) am from Median descent. The other part of Medes became Gharabagh Armenians.
My point was this: some people keep referring to "European" sources to discuss things happened long before the word "Europe" was introduced.
I hope, you know that "Ayr" means "man" in Armenian. That "Iran" means "Land of Aryans", and it was Median king Key-Kavus (Cyaxarus by Herodotos) who invented the name.
And my mother tongue is Russian, though I studied many languages and even lived in Iran, working on contract.
Regards
Hi! Yes you are right. So you are an Armenian? Maybe we could chat together.
Have you yahoo messenger or icq/msn messenger?
Write what you think but please per PM!

By the way. The studies who that Iranians are the first IE speaking people.
Many people say the first IE speaking people come from above the black sae.
And everytime referring to a special mtDNA haplogroup.
But if we think about the fact that this special mtDNA halpogroup is 20.000-30.000 years old and that there is no reason that Aryans expand as a warrior nation who kill all other people.

The fact is that today Iranians and Greeks are the proto Indo-Europeans.
I don`t want to declass someone here. But it were the Greeks and the Iranians who were one times one nation who expand and give all people in Europe the IE language! The Iranians/Greeks and Indians are a member of the Old Indo-Aryan tribe of IE. They were one nation for a long time ago.
I don`t say Indians are pure they have Aryan blood and Dravian blood how you can good see on this map.

Also I never would say Armenians are a group for it self. Armenians are Iranians. The old Armenian tribes mixed with other Iranian tribes.
And by the way the most non-European scientists say that Armenian is an Iranian language of north branch.
 
Old May 15th, 2004 #8
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Iran made the mistake of mixing it's blood along time ago. Just like India.
With who? What mean mixing? 5%? Or 50%?
When 5% then yeah Europeans also did a mistake to mixing with non-Aryans.
When 50%? No Iranians never did something like that.
 
Old May 17th, 2004 #9
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With who? What mean mixing? 5%? Or 50%?
When 5% then yeah Europeans also did a mistake to mixing with non-Aryans.
When 50%? No Iranians never did something like that.

Looking at the pic of this Iranian pop star (who appeared in another thread) shows she's mixed with something. I would think there's some Asiatic in her background. I know Mongols not only invaded Iran but decided to settle there and mix with the rest.

El Samah - Iranian Songstress

In another thread someone tried to claim this chick was White. I've seen half and quarter niggers who look whiter than her (Leo Felton comes to mind). Would I consider them White? Nope.

For every Iranian I've seen who could be considered White, there are a dozen more who could be mistaken for Arabs or in El Samah's case, "damn near anything but White"

I don't know the exact percentage of mixing took place in Iran but it was enough to make a decent portion of the population look like this:

http://www.thedaf.com/news/Iranian-m...8%20poster.jpg
http://www.cheungswingchun.com/Image...anians.WC.jpeg
http://abel.math.harvard.edu/~abhinav/Iranians_2.jpg
http://www.cs.ucla.edu/~rjafari/pers.../tehran/40.jpg
http://hoder.cirrushosting.com/photos/IMG_3762.jpg

Oh and take a look at the people on this webpage:

Iranian People's National Socialist Party

I'm not saying White Iranians don't exist but to deny the majority of Iranians aren't mixed when it's evident just by looking at them, is bullshit.
 
Old May 17th, 2004 #10
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Originally Posted by Shapur
With who? What mean mixing? 5%? Or 50%?
When 5% then yeah Europeans also did a mistake to mixing with non-Aryans.
When 50%? No Iranians never did something like that.
The racial difference between Iran and India jump up and hit you in the face.
Once India was majority Aryan, at least in the North, but now only a very small number remain. Iran its true does have some Non-Aryan, but its managed to maintain an Aryan majority

diablo
 
Old May 17th, 2004 #11
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Originally Posted by outsider
Looking at the pic of this Iranian pop star (who appeared in another thread) shows she's mixed with something. I would think there's some Asiatic in her background. I know Mongols not only invaded Iran but decided to settle there and mix with the rest.

El Samah - Iranian Songstress

In another thread someone tried to claim this chick was White. I've seen half and quarter niggers who look whiter than her (Leo Felton comes to mind). Would I consider them White? Nope.

For every Iranian I've seen who could be considered White, there are a dozen more who could be mistaken for Arabs or in El Samah's case, "damn near anything but White"

I don't know the exact percentage of mixing took place in Iran but it was enough to make a decent portion of the population look like this:

http://www.thedaf.com/news/Iranian-m...8%20poster.jpg
http://www.cheungswingchun.com/Image...anians.WC.jpeg
http://abel.math.harvard.edu/~abhinav/Iranians_2.jpg
http://www.cs.ucla.edu/~rjafari/pers.../tehran/40.jpg
http://hoder.cirrushosting.com/photos/IMG_3762.jpg

Oh and take a look at the people on this webpage:

Iranian People's National Socialist Party

I'm not saying White Iranians don't exist but to deny the majority of Iranians aren't mixed when it's evident just by looking at them, is bullshit.
The great majotity of the people in those photos would look no different than Southern Europeans if you remove the middle Eastern garb and gave them a good shave.
As for the girl in that pic, turn her hair blonde, give her blue ryes, and without changing anything place her in Stockholm, and everyone on this board would be panting over her. Its true that her cheekbones are a bit too high to be considered an ""Extreme" Aryan type, but she is still definitely White and Aryan.
Like many WNs, you are only willing to consider clasically Nordic appering Iranians White.If you use this standard, than sure there are not many "White" Iranians. 130 degree summers in Southern Iran and 100 degree summers in the North do not favor the existence of many Nords, though they do exist

diablo
 
Old May 17th, 2004 #12
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Originally Posted by Shapur
mtDNA Map of Migration
http://www.roperld.com/graphics/MigrationMap.jpg

mtDNA Map of Distribution
http://www.mcdonald.cam.ac.uk/geneti...ibutionMap.gif

And also maps+histroy added of this region!
Well Shapur, the genetic evidence displayed by that map is in very close harmony with the physical anthropological evidence, It shows very little Mongoloid influence in present day-Iran, though it does show teriffic genetic damage in Turkmenistan, which as you well know was part of historic Iran.
I have said many times that the overwhelming amount of the Non-White influence in Iran is Darvidic, not Mongoloid.Again, this map confirms genetically my physical anthropological observations But the map shows that this is very much a minor influence, and pretty much peters out alltogether in Northwest Iran.

diablo
 
Old May 17th, 2004 #13
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And that would show the fact that alot of so called south europeans are mixed. A wog is a wog.
Mixed with what? Olive skin does not prove "semetic"influence. Yasir Arafat is very pale skinned, but hes about as Semetic as you can get, Their features are Aryanm not Negroid, not Mongoloid.....Conclusion, they are White.
Now in all honesty.Im really pretty greatful for your post. I think this should be a lesson to Southern Europeans who slag off on Iranians, in hopes of somehow currying favor with the Nordicists. It just shows that we are next on the list

diablo
 
Old May 18th, 2004 #14
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Many of them in those pictures looked semitic. I would say 'white' Iranians are a large minority.
 
Old May 18th, 2004 #15
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I give you facts about Iranian genetics so look on them and don`t stress me.
They show that Iranians are 90% Aryanoid. This doesn`t mean that every Iranian have 10% non-Aryanoid blood. It mean only that there were mixings.
With a good population programm we could clear our beautiful Iran between 1-2 generations. How I said. I am not only a Pan-Aryanist but also a Pan-Iranist.
And it is not in my interesst to claim non-Aryans on Iranian ground non-Aryans. If we rule these areas we will clean all with a good population programm. But so long we are not rule it is better to search every ally.
http://www.vnnforum.com/attachment.p...achmentid=1569
Look on this map. You see in the south-east the Dravian front.
The people are mostly 50% Aryan and 50% Dravians.
Look on north-east. You see the Mongolian invasasion.
But look now on Iran and western part of the map. The most tribes have mostly 90-95% Aryan blood! The northern part of Iran where Mazandaranis and Gilanis live people like her:
http://www.sumka.org/images.2/Irania...from_Gilan.jpg

Fit for the most people here as whites. But the other tribes like Persians, Kurds, Lurs who have not so many non-Aryans genes don`t fit, because they are tanned? This make to me NO sence. So you want Negroids with white skin, blue eyes and maybe in some ways looking Caucasoid?

But by the way. When there is written 8% of mtDNA group M then it DOES NOT mean that Iranians have 8% Dravian blood. It mean that 8% of Iranians have an mtDNA with haplogroup 8% and that 1 of 10 people have one dravian chromsom. And if you looking on Europe it doesn`t show other.
These scandinavian "pure" nordish Aryans have more non-Aryanoid blood then Kurds from western Iran.
 
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Many of them in those pictures looked semitic. I would say 'white' Iranians are a large minority.
What mean white? White skin? Or Aryan blood?
If we would set a nordish scandinavian to Africa. And he would live there 20.000 years. Then he would have a brown skin, black hairs and brown eyes.
But he would have 100% Aryan blood.
What is he? A mud or an Aryan?
 
Old May 18th, 2004 #17
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The great majotity of the people in those photos would look no different than Southern Europeans if you remove the middle Eastern garb and gave them a good shave.

As for the girl in that pic, turn her hair blonde, give her blue ryes, and without changing anything place her in Stockholm, and everyone on this board would be panting over her. Its true that her cheekbones are a bit too high to be considered an ""Extreme" Aryan type, but she is still definitely White and Aryan.
But her hair isn't blond, her eyes are not blue and her skin is not White. She is not White.

This woman:





. . . looks more like a mestiza, dothead or some other kind of mamzerized mud -- anything but White. Even if her features do fall into the parameters of what is considered White, the darkness of her skin fails the White test. If that is all it takes for a person to be an Aryan then Vanessa William is an Aryan. Half-black Leo Felton was able to pass for a half Italian/half northern Euro as long as he kept his melon shaved.


The people mentioned in the following article could also pass for White despite the presence of Groid genes.

http://www.post-gazette.com/lifestyl...in1026fnp2.asp

Here are some photos from the article:






The following pic came from a website dedicated to mixed actors and actresses. Using your criteria for what could be considered Aryan, this woman (Mullato and Amerind):



Is also "Aryan"?

If she were to have children by a White (esp. a Nordic), her children would be able to claim 'White' without getting a strange looks from people. Would that make them "Aryan"? Not in my book.

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Like many WNs, you are only willing to consider clasically Nordic appering Iranians White.If you use this standard, than sure there are not many "White" Iranians. 130 degree summers in Southern Iran and 100 degree summers in the North do not favor the existence of many Nords, though they do exist
diablo
Sun tans have nothing to do with it. Nordicism has nothing to do with it. A sun-tanned White man looks like a sun-tanned White man. The Iranians in those photos do not look White. They would be more easily mistaken for Arabs or Mestizos before they would be mistaken for White.

Keep in mind, you easily mistook Peruvian Mestiza models (no, they were not Spanish Meds. I've seen plenty of White Spaniards) for Iranian "Aryans".

If those people are White, then so is this Strom-front member (Kyle) in the attached photo:
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Old May 18th, 2004 #18
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As far as I can see there is no Iranian race. There are a variety of Iranian races.
 
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Iranians are Aryanoid. This is the only fact. I will say nothing about these pictures! Not my kind of working. If you see Iranians as Aryans or not is not my matter. If the first Aryans were fair, tall, blue eyed people then what matter make this to me? When we Iranians are so mixed with Dravians what matter make this to me? It were these how you say mixed Iranians who control this earth build one empire after the other. I am proud to be Iranian.
I showed with schoolary facts that the Iranians have a minimal percent of Dravian/Mongolian blood. And only ONE tribe of Iranians has Negroid blood.
This is because they defence so long the Zoroastrian Aryan ideology that only these Arabic pigs could destroy their belive with to rape our women!
 
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Iranians are Aryanoid. This is the only fact. I will say nothing about these pictures! Not my kind of working. If you see Iranians as Aryans or not is not my matter. If the first Aryans were fair, tall, blue eyed people then what matter make this to me? When we Iranians are so mixed with Dravians what matter make this to me? It were these how you say mixed Iranians who control this earth build one empire after the other. I am proud to be Iranian.
I showed with schoolary facts that the Iranians have a minimal percent of Dravian/Mongolian blood. And only ONE tribe of Iranians has Negroid blood.
This is because they defence so long the Zoroastrian Aryan ideology that only these Arabic pigs could destroy their belive with to rape our women!
That minimal amound of Dravid and Mongol bloods was obviously enough to turn a White population into a mostly non-White population.
 
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