Are you religous ?

[Charlie-Horse]

Religion is for those who are short on logic and long on imagination. It is a superstition that has had it's day, the only reason it still holds a grip on some is in it's value as an artificial crutch for those who are experiencing some hardship, people would be better off facing up to the reality of any given difficult situation rather than resorting to faith in a God. The long and the short of it is, when you die you are dead, there is no heaven and there is no God, deal with it.
Some people cannot deal with the thought of death though, and they fear it, so they tell themselves fairy tales about heaven to soften the blow, all very childish, and illogical, yet understandable in a way. I find it promotes weakness.

Sounds rather like Karl Marx doesn't it, I suppose even a jew communist can't be 100% wrong a 100% of the time.

[Holly]

That is your opinion Charlie-Boy you are entitled to it just as I am entitled to mine. Many important things from our heritage that our fathers could not do without have been tossed aside including religion, you see the results in front of you right now if you are happy with that, then why are you even here ?
We see our enemys who are much overly religous and their populations are exploding with no end of it in sight, while we see ours not only not growing but getting smaller and smaller.
It seems to me you and people like you who make these calls to get rid of our fathers way of life need to put 2 + 2 together and think of what they did right to make their populations increase and what we are doing wrong to make ours get smaller.
Loss of religion is one, yes of course it is - And I see your type as part of the problem not a solution. You for all of your so-called logic ar enot doing very well in keeping the race from a slow death now are you, so what good is your logic then, tell me ?
Religion fake or real or some of both is good for the spirit and does promote family/racial bonds and spirit no doubt and you would seek to throw this all away because you want to be "real" you want to be full of "logic" you want to be "mature" al lthe while we see morals going to the bottom and our populations dieing out.
I really do not know what to say to that other than I strongly disagree and that if your kind winds the day with influence with the largest part of whites we can kiss our race goodbye for sure.
Good luck with your logic then when it will meen your great grandchildren [or sooner] will most likely be brown or even darker.

[Charlie-Horse]

Will the belief in Odin Thor or Jesus and the other gods our forefathers worshipped increase the birthrate of our people, I don't think so, how does the belief in a deity increase the population? that puzzles me.
I am wondering if you are talking about abortion and that it is against Gods law to have one, we'll God's do not make laws, men do, and men can make such a law if it pleases them, therefore your reasoning is faulty.
Which things from our heritage have been tossed aside, I cannot understand which things that you are talking about.
What we do wrong these days is spend too much time helping the likes of Africa, India and the other third world shit holes [religion plays a part in this], when drought or disease hit those places in years gone by they would shrink in population but now the silly liberals send aid, because Jesus tells them so, so their population increases, but they do not live life in a way that would suit us, yes their population is exploding, but so is their poverty and hunger, we have more sense than they do, we know what over population brings.
The people in charge are Christian, so you're argument against logic is an empty one, they like you think in a religious way, not a logical one, hence we spend most of our time helping out niggers with aids in Africa.
The spirit does not exist, it is unreal, family and racial bonds need not rely on the belief of a deity only a change of Government.
True, religion does enforce morals, I agree with you, but morals can be enforced by other means and need not be done with the use of a false deity.
It is my duty to ensure that my children and grandchildren do not cross those racial boundaries, it is something I take very seriously, which is contrary to what the church is doing, the church is promoting such ideals, there you go, religion again.

Our forefathers worshipped deities because they did not have the ability to understand that things that go bump in the night were exactly that, just bumps in the night, because they could not explain it they attributed a supernatural reason to it, somewhat like a child would do, take Thor for instance and his chariot riding across the skies hurling thunderbolts, ridiculous but they believed it, logic and science tells us what lightning and thunder really is, that's why we don't worship Thor.

Our forefathers were essentially afraid of the dark, they were afraid of what they could not understand, they needed Gods but now we do not.

I had this same conversation with a black buck from Africa at University a few months ago, he too believed in God, he believed that the world was created by God in 6 days and all the rest of the rubbish, I put this down to his lack of evolution, the black is merely a savage, they still do not understand that God is fantasy they are still superstitious, the church exploits this, that's why you alway's see a lot of niggers in church, they haven't the sense to see the truth for what it is.

[Konrad Jackson]

Europe founded on Christianity? No, it was founded on White genes. Those who say Christianity made all the good stuff possible are also saying Blacks are okay as long as they are Christians. And that Whites do not do well when they are not Christians.


By the way, Christianity has been recruiting non-Whites for 2,000 years, and most Christians today are non-Whites. Christianity says that we are all "brothers in Christ," and the White race is never even mentioned in its holy book. Clearly an anti-White religion.

Also, corpses do not stand up and live again. Behind all the colored windows and fancy ceremonies, that is the whole basis of the religion: that a corpse started living again through magic.

[Holly]

Originally Posted by Charlie-Boy

Will the belief in Odin Thor or Jesus and the other gods our forefathers worshipped increase the birthrate of our people, I don't think so, how does the belief in a deity increase the population? that puzzles me.

Religion/spiritness raises morals, it creates a strong sense of importence and closeness of family. Look at the simple volk of any white nation the countryside, the ones who live from the land and beleive in God and the ways of their fathers, these peoples birthrates are not falling below replacement levels no they are not. I in fact come from such a family I have 6 first uncles and 3 first aunts more than 30 first cousins so far and that is just on my mothers side. If with your common sense and logic you can think of ways to inspire people to produce like this without religion please share the secret.
You in fact can not point to an example of a successful Godless society so I really do not see where your argument is going if the goal is to get birthreates and morals up.

I am wondering if you are talking about abortion and that it is against Gods law to have one, we'll God's do not make laws, men do, and men can make such a law if it pleases them, therefore your reasoning is faulty.

Abortion for healthy whites I do not beleive in for non whites I am all for it unfortuantly now it is the whites having it and the non whites breeding like rabbits. As far as God vs Man, we will all have to anser for our actions some day beleive it or not I will not argue the point.

Which things from our heritage have been tossed aside, I cannot understand which things that you are talking about.

Whites used to be bold men of action who dominate the world we used to have thriving societys the envy of the world, now most are wimpering men of fear who could barely make a stand if their lives depended on it.
Something went wrong, you tell me what our fathers had that is now missing to put us in the bad spot we are in.

What we do wrong these days is spend too much time helping the likes of Africa, India and the other third world shit holes [religion plays a part in this], when drought or disease hit those places in years gone by they would shrink in population but now the silly liberals send aid, because Jesus tells them so, so their population increases, but they do not live life in a way that would suit us, yes their population is exploding, but so is their poverty and hunger, we have more sense than they do, we know what over population brings.

I agree that is crap I am not for bleeding heart men of religion who think humanity is one. Anyway what we give these starving niggers is drops in the bucket compared to what is spent on keeping the state of jews alive and fighting jews enemys.

The people in charge are Christian, so you're argument against logic is an empty one, they like you think in a religious way, not a logical one, hence we spend most of our time helping out niggers with aids in Africa.

Oh no, I think you are wrong I am sure there are many "logical" thinkers who give aid to niggers it is not all religion don't be silly - And no obviously they do not "think as I think" or else they would not be giving aid to non whites.

The spirit does not exist, it is unreal, family and racial bonds need not rely on the belief of a deity only a change of Government.

That is your opinion you state it as a fact than anyone who does not agree is just stupid. I asked you how with your logic we can increase white populations you blew that off so I guess you do not have the anser, so put on your thinking cap and let me know hmmm ?

True, religion does enforce morals, I agree with you, but morals can be enforced by other means and need not be done with the use of a false deity.

Well I can only say not a bad thought but more than talk is needed here like in how, and with what, and on the level of societys, not just one person here and one person there.
Religion is an institute, a strong bond, and you propose to replace it with .... ? What ? Please tell, something realistic that can be done not just a fancy thought of how nice it would be if this or that.

It is my duty to ensure that my children and grandchildren do not cross those racial boundaries, it is something I take very seriously, which is contrary to what the church is doing, the church is promoting such ideals, there you go, religion again.

It is so obvious you are talking about that which you do not know, at all.
Every church we have ever gone to is 100% white, not 99.9%. 100%.
We would not have in another way and in fact most of the pastors, preachers and deacons we have known are all racialist with no intrest at all in passing the word to non whites, churches are almost always very segregated, do you actually think we drive 40 miles to go to some nigger church to join a bunch of dancing maniacs ? No we do not, they do not seek our churches we do not seek theirs. We know what it is we want and it is easy to find if you do not close your eyes. So while you are having a beer and watching some footbal game sometimes I and my sisters are getting a message of family and racial bonds, togertherness and hope for a better tommorow which does keep our minds on the right track.
As for your future family my words were meant as no insult my point was the matter will be out of your hands complety and soon if steps are not taken to increase morals and keep childrens minds with a sense of purpose and bonding. You may be able to manage this yourself with your family with nothing from a church, as for the whole of society that is what I am concerned about.

Our forefathers worshipped deities because they did not have the ability to understand that things that go bump in the night were exactly that, just bumps in the night, because they could not explain it they attributed a supernatural reason to it, somewhat like a child would do, take Thor for instance and his chariot riding across the skies hurling thunderbolts, ridiculous but they believed it, logic and science tells us what lightning and thunder really is, that's why we don't worship Thor.

I respekt the Gods of my fathers though you may mock them - If their beliefs helped them through life great, that is fine then as it is today.
You want to examine this as a scientist fine go on, it is not going to change peoples minds ... And the fact that Thor is still talked about today and even days of our week are named after some of them shows the strong influence in mens minds and shows this can not be replaced with your clean "logic" ever as far as respekting the spirit.

Our forefathers were essentially afraid of the dark, they were afraid of what they could not understand, they needed Gods but now we do not.

Nonsense.
Very little has changed in the heart and soul and what drives peoples fears and passions. It sounds that you are very happy with the state we are in I ask again, why are you here at a racialist forum ?

I had this same conversation with a black buck from Africa at University a few months ago, he too believed in God, he believed that the world was created by God in 6 days and all the rest of the rubbish, I put this down to his lack of evolution, the black is merely a savage, they still do not understand that God is fantasy they are still superstitious, the church exploits this, that's why you alway's see a lot of niggers in church, they haven't the sense to see the truth for what it is.

Blacks in church explained above.
I have held back from insulting you until now I ask that you do the same if this debate is to continue.
I wil lnot stand for being compared to a nigger I request you take that back and stop mocking the beleifs of people with views diffrent from yours - And I request again for the 3rd time for you to explain just how your logic, whatever that may be, is going to drive up morals and birthrates among whites in the way religion can and does.
I guess the little pic of the crazy little drug head cult phyco you have for an avatar tells alot about your viewpoint.

[Holly]

Originally Posted by Konrad Jackson

Europe founded on Christianity? No, it was founded on White genes. Those who say Christianity made all the good stuff possible are also saying Blacks are okay as long as they are Christians. And that Whites do not do well when they are not Christians.


By the way, Christianity has been recruiting non-Whites for 2,000 years, and most Christians today are non-Whites. Christianity says that we are all "brothers in Christ," and the White race is never even mentioned in its holy book. Clearly an anti-White religion.

Also, corpses do not stand up and live again. Behind all the colored windows and fancy ceremonies, that is the whole basis of the religion: that a corpse started living again through magic.

Hello Konrad Jackson, these are my thoughts on what you have said"

1) I have never said Christianity made all good stuff possible did I ? No I did not. It is an important area which binds people together and prmots a healthy mindset that places a strong uh ... a strong will to stay loyal to family and to respekt yourself and to have children. As for the blacsk it can not be helped than not whites have adopted a white religion. I was born Lutheran and I doubt if you could tell me Martin Luther recruited many non whites. It so happened that with imperialism and slavery our religion spread to those who which is was never intended and as I say not much can be done about this. People can worship a tree if thats what they want to do.
If you say it is anti white I say you have no real experience in church and have been reading too much of one thing and not enough of the other.
I agree as I have said in other posts here that these bleeding heart religous men who think all humanity is as one are not on the right track and in fact feed our enemys. You would be suprised I am sure to find out how racial most churches are, like most of everything people tend to attract to places with their own kind and any church we have every gone to has been 100% white.

2) As for living corpses it seems then you will not beleive what is not now right in front of you, with proof and maybe a video to back it up.
If you have such little beleif and imagination then I can imagine that your hopes for the white race and a better future for our children are very dim, for everything that we see before us paints a very dark picture and imagination is needed to picture it getting better, only then can steps be taken to make it a realitys.
As for me I have a vision and very very strong hopes that this vision will come to be, I am working to make it so in my own little ways that will hopefully become much more of an effort as I grow older.
Those are my thoughts I thank you for yours.

[Charlie-Horse]

I respect the beliefs of my forefathers too, but I won't get on my hands and knees in prayer to any of their Gods, the day someone proves to me that any deity exists then that will be the day I listen.

But I won't hold my breath, I suppose I should have faith, yeah right.

None of my family believe in God, none have been baptized and you know what, we are not unusual, nobody goes to church, religion is dying, thankfully.

The church is full of paedophile priests or homosexuals who don't even believe what they preach, to them it is merely an occupation with a nice pay packet and plenty of perks.

I don't know where you come from, I am guessing the US, but here where I come from people who do go to church or are seen to be religious are looked upon as being cranks, even a little strange, they are almost an object of ridicule, ok sure some people do go, but I cannot name anybody that does, if any of my mates went I would laugh at them.

The US and the UK are so different in terms of religious belief you would not believe it, the only places I think that religion is going strong, is where it is forced, like in some muslim countries, but when those same muslims come to live here, and the threat is gone, a lot of them cease to be practicing muslims, they are muslims in name only.

The longer they stay here the more of them there is that drop out, they start to dress like us and drink alcohol.

I sometimes think that devout christians are incapable of behaving in a moral decent way without that threat of God's wrath, if it was proven without doubt that God does not exist, I would bet that those same devout christians would run rampage, lusting and committing sins by the dozen, because it is mainly the fear of God that holds them back.

The bottom line is that they do not behave morally because it is the logical thing to do, they do so under force, it's that fear of God.

[Holly]

Well Charlie-Boy there is not much more to be said we are obviously on a diffrent page here. You still have not explained how your logic is going to raise birth levels and morals - And I think it is hard for me to beleive that you "respect the beliefs of my forefathers too" when all you have done is to mock and slammed them for being dumb, primitive little chidren, afraid of the dark with no sense.
Maybe so but their birth levels sure were not below replacement levels now were they ? No they were not. They had something they beleived in it worked for them and made them citizens with respect and who produce, unlike today.
The USA was founded complete by strong men of religion as it is also a very strong bond common among all western nations, it is dying out which you are thankfull for and we can see the results of this lack of faith and morals - The slow death of the white race.

[Oy Ze Hate]

Yes, I am religious. I subscribe to Playboy, FHM, Rockstar, and scream "oh goddess" whenever I shoot my load.

[Aryan Lord]

[Holly;456763]

Hi this is Holly with a thought that is on my mind.

Another one?

I was wondering how many here are religous ?

I am very religious. I practice runic yoga everyday and the names of my gods are constantly on my lips. Hail Wotan!

Our western lands were founded on Christian religion, our fathers and grandfathers it played a very important role in their lives, now I notice a lot of talk in some WN/NS groups that it is a thing to do without and even mocked.

Ever heard of ancient pagan Greece? The ancient heathen Celts and Teutons of Europe? Or how about the glories of pagan Rome?
xianity has been a disease in the collective psyche of Aryan man ever since that jewish religion was forced upon our ancestors centuries ago.

I do not agree with this. We look back on why things were so much better in our fathers days, and I think religion is a strong part of why. It teaches love for your own kind and family and family the most important.

It teaches subservience to a jewish psychotic desert tribal god and kneeling before a hook-nosed `saviour`. It teaches guilt and exploitation of the resources that Mutter Erde gives us.
It teaches that `there is neither jew nor Greek`. It teaches that `salvation is of the jews`.

With all of this name the jew thing, if jews went away over night, how would that make young white woman and men start having the much larger familys that are so badly needed for every western nation ? Lack of religion, respekt for themselves, a poluted culture and woman [and men] thinking more of fun and careers than a large family are the main reasons why our race is shrinking to the danger point. Do jews encourage this ? Of course, but I do not accept that we are mindless robots hypnotised by the jews, no the choices people make are done for their own selfish reasons, and religion if not else teaches people to not be selfish and most importantly "to be fruitful and multiply". If we could get these positive thoughts back into young peoples heads we would be making real progres, yes we would.

And you are saying that we need JUDEO-xtianity in order to `multiply`?

Myself, I am born Lutheran, me and my family are not over religous.
We go to a church every now and then not even every week that has a minister we really like, it helps us. I beleive in a higher power, I beleive in myself my family and my face, with those things together I have no fears and my mind is more on solution than the problem.

I believe in my `face` as well.

My relation with what I consider a higher power is private and personal, I do not shout it in the street and watch al lwords I say in fear I may say a thing that offends the higher power, no I do not. I say a prayer at night for my family and race, when things are bad I hope to get better, and for good things we got I am thankful for that so ... Ok I am rambling

Indeed you are.

, but I am just trying to say that to be "religous" does not meen that you have to do every single thing by a book, it meens you must recognize a higher power our ancestors knew and respekt it, and pass the values to your children so that they will make wise decisions and think not only of themselves, but where they have come from and where they would like to go,

Our ancestors did indeed know a `higher power` and His name is Wotan, the god of the Aryo-Germanic peoples.

I hope this makes sense and I am sure some will just call me a troll or idiot for this,

Only `some`?

but these are my thoughts and I will say one more time that religous values [and I know at least any KKK will agree with this] must make a strong comeback in our race for us to make progress, real progress that no one NO ONE can do anything about, once on the right path and mind set.
I have created a poll for this, this is my first ever so I do not know if it will come out right. 88[

The same `religious values` that would have us bow the knee before a kike `god`?

[Holly]

Originally Posted by Aryan Lord

[Holly;456763]

Another one?

Great, another noble internet Aryan [or maybe the same one hmm] offers his clear words of wisdom while his race crumples around him, mostly due to lack of morals and value from decline of the spirit.
Are you going to call for your evil ms cookie to back you up on this also ?

[Aryan Lord]

Originally Posted by Holly

Great, another noble internet Aryan [or maybe the same one hmm] offers his clear words of wisdom while his race crumples around him, mostly due to lack of morals and value from decline of the spirit.
Are you going to call for your evil ms cookie to back you up on this also ?

And how will bowing the knee before a psychotic jewish desert tribal god who has a fetish for exterminating the Aryan populations of ancient Palestine save our race from `crumpling`[sic]?

`MS cookie`? Microsoft biscuit? What are you rambling on about now girl?

[Holly]

You make the mistake of thinking everyone should beleive like you for a generic world. I bow before no jewish god, if it makes you feel good to think it then go on. I take parts of religion I beleive, I take parts of pagan/mystik I beleive and that is my relaity which no internet Aryan will talk me out of. What do you bow before ? All mighty tree ?

As for ms cookie If you do not know what I am talking about then you are the wrong person, there are so many Aryan this and Aryan that on these forums.

[Aryan Lord]

[Holly;500551]

You make the mistake of thinking everyone should beleive like you for a generic world. I bow before no jewish god, if it makes you feel good to think it then go on. I take parts of religion I beleive, I take parts of pagan/mystik I beleive and that is my relaity which no internet Aryan will talk me out of. What do you bow before ? All mighty tree ?

As for ms cookie If you do not know what I am talking about then you are the wrong person, there are so many Aryan this and Aryan that on these forums.

Please do me the courtesy of doing a spell check prior to posting!
I have highlighted the words to help you.
`I before e except after c`.
If you are a xtian[which you are] then you whorship a jewish `god`, the `god` of israel, the `god` of die Juden. The god of Aryo-Germanic man is Walvater Wotan and he[according to Jung] resides in the Collective Unconscious of our people. Jung stated in his 1936 essay `Wotan` that Walvater was stirring in the psyche of our people and is the essence of National Socialism. Wotan NOT YAHWEH!
Walvater is stirring again as Richard Rudgley in `Pagan Resurrection` points out.
You can read a review of this work on my blog here-

http://aryan-myth-and-metahistory.bl...d-rudgley.html

[Holly]

I am sorry bur when people resort to spelling corrections like yahoo chat, it is time for me to end this. English is not my native language and if you can not understsnd what I say because of a few minor errors then move on to something else then

[Subrosa]

Holly, don't you pay no never mind to that mean old mans. Aryan Lord just likes to make the girls cry, see what he does to charlie boy? You just keep posting and keep the fire burning strong!

[Mark Faust]

[RonaldCa]

Holly, I'm not sure how much you know about the Christian church, but it's nothing but a cult-like mafia. As you may/may not not know, the history of the Christian church is not that old, as they are basically "reformed Catholics".

Although the do differ in how they behave, priests like to rape kids, and pastors like to snort meth and bang trannies, They are basically the same thing. What I'm trying to say is that the Christian church uses the very same bible the Catholic church approves of. Yes, this is a very poor description, but I don't want to spend half the day explaining it

I believe it was during the 15th century that the Catholic church went through the bible and stripped all the crap out that didn't appear to be "spiritually derived". What you have left is the modern bible.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apocrypha

With this fact in mind, it obviously brings many questions to mind. Why did they decide to do that? What guided their timetable? Also, doesn't the book of Revelations clearly state the infamous warning about modifying the written word of God?

One thing that really caught my attention was that the Christian church NEVER went back and reevaluated that decision. To this very day, the Christian church still abides by that decision they made. How very odd.

The other thing that bothers me is that many churches play the stock market.
On one hand, they're telling us not to stare at boobs and ass or the devil will get us via temptation, yet, they're playing New York Vegas.

Although my facts here may need to be questioned, but the violence in Ireland is largely due in part, to religious conflict. Basically, Protestant versus Catholic. There are no niggers in that battle, just White people.

By the way Holly, you should read these books that were removed. You should start with the Book of Enoch. It basically reads like an L. Ron Hubbard science fiction novel.

[Aryan Lord]

Originally Posted by Holly

I am sorry bur when people resort to spelling corrections like yahoo chat, it is time for me to end this. English is not my native language and if you can not understsnd what I say because of a few minor errors then move on to something else then

Rubbish. On the Phora you were boasting about how Amerikwan you are, how much you love the stars and stripes, thought the USA was best country in the world and had the right to dominate every other. How jewish of you!
You admit to having lived half of your life in English speaking countries[England and the USA] so it is time to drop the act. You are more Amerikwan in attitude and belief than the Americans themselves.

http://www.thephora.net/forum/showth...303#post300303

Indeed you have a low opinion of Aryan people and refer to Slavs as mongoloid beasts.

http://www.thephora.net/forum/showth...899#post298899

Each time you encounter any resistance to your neo-con judeo-xtian agenda you run away.

Now how about answering the questions raised in my two previous posts about how whorshiping a jewish psychotic desert tribal god who exterminates Aryans is going to save our race?

[seeer]

Religion is needed for practical reasons.
Religious beliefs get extra legal protection.
There needs to be a structure for ceremonies such as birth, marriage, funeral, etc.
Religion can get people to take needed risks they would otherwise not take.