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Old July 7th, 2006 #1
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If you carry a handgun concealed -what is overall best choice -a snubby revolver, or a small auto -say in .32 or .380 caliber?
I like the flatness and compactness of the small auto myself..what are the advantages, if any of a revolver?
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Old July 7th, 2006 #2
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I'd go with the .38 snub. Revolvers are inherintly more reliable.
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Old July 7th, 2006 #3
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32s and 380s are women's guns man. I assume that you are not female. Neither of them is really powerful enough. Snub nosed guns are for women also.

Revolvers are less likely to jam, require less maintenance and do not leave empty cases. They have a longer barrel in a gun of the same length. However they have too low capacity and are too slow to reload. If one is left handed one has to change hands to reload them. They are less well-balanced, they 'hang forward' in the hand due to their shape, and they have a heavier trigger pull. With a few exceptions they cannot be effectively silenced. They are bulky. I recommend a 9mm semi-automatic, or if you insist on a revolver then a .357.
 
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How about a .410 derringer?

They call it a snakeslayer, but I'm sure a double barrelled helping of double ought will work just fine for human snakes.
 
Old July 7th, 2006 #5
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32s and 380s are women's guns man. I assume that you are not female. Neither of them is really powerful enough. Snub nosed guns are for women also.

Revolvers are less likely to jam, require less maintenance and do not leave empty cases. They have a longer barrel in a gun of the same length. However they have too low capacity and are too slow to reload. If one is left handed one has to change hands to reload them. They are less well-balanced, they 'hang forward' in the hand due to their shape, and they have a heavier trigger pull. With a few exceptions they cannot be effectively silenced. They are bulky. I recommend a 9mm semi-automatic, or if you insist on a revolver then a .357.
Listen to people who know what their talking about here-Charles apparently does.

I've carried a concealed weapon for 40 years and here's the low down.

32/380= real waste of time- dangerous trash,38=maybe you'll survive,maybe not.9MM better than 38 but not by much.Wheel gun or auto-Charles already covered that.

My choice is a Glock 45-packs a hit to make sure YOU survive,and enough ammo the make up for any mistakes you might make, if any.Sure it's a bit heavy,but you get use to it soon, and you'll be damn glad you did when the shit hit the fan.

Don't worry unnecessarily about concealment.I carried a Colt 45/1911 for years and years everywhere, and nobody ever noticed anything.

The real secret of carrying a gun is actually knowing how to use it; and practice ,practice ,practice.Shoot it at least once or twice a month or more for a couple of hundred rounds in a variety of distances,lighting and weather.

I've shot it out with more than a few bad guys and live to bury all of them;mainly because of "mussel memory" .I was use to drawing and shooting in seconds, without aiming or thinking,just reaction.Almost all of the gang bangers I had trouble with had all kinds of super guns and bullets and crap but no real knowledge or ability to actually get the job done.

If you carry a gun; you certainly better know damn well how to use it, and use it better than most.
 
Old July 7th, 2006 #6
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My personal choice is for the auto.

Don't take the 9mm bashers too seriously. Contrary to popular (though horribly misinformed) belief, the .45 is NOT some magical round that will produce one shot stops. To be honest, ALL pistol rounds pretty much suck as manstoppers. But if you use modern hollowpoints from one of the brand name companies, you'll be fine, so long as you do your part by practicing regularly so you can place those rounds where they'll count.

Virtually all of the modern hollow point offerings, regardless of 9mm, .40, or .45, expand to just about the same width in the target, and penetrate damn near the same amount. 9mm practice ammo is cheap, meaning more range time for the money, meaning you'll be able to get better with less money if you want to. .40 is nearly half again as expensive as 9mm, and .45 is nearly twice the cost, depending on where you go.

Go to a gun forum and ask this question, as well. www.thefiringline.com and www.thehighroad.com are both great sites.

After doing your homework on this, you should consider going to a range that rents guns and renting whatever you're interested in. Shoot them all, take notes, and just go with whatever feels right. If it doesn't feel right to you, it probably isn't.

At any rate, kudos for deciding to carry concealed. It's more than about 99% of the current crop of neutered White sheep are willing to do to protect themselves.
 
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Those automatics are just to small. I don’t think 45 is the way to go since he is looking for a small easily concealable gun. If you have small hands a good Taurus 38 special with hollow points will give you all the knockdown you need. They are cheap, small, reliable and reasonably accurate. With a concealed gun you are not going to go to a competition shoot and hit targets at 100 yards. Also contrary to science fiction all robbers are not wearing $2,000 worth of Kevlar and can bench-press a Toyota. When the bullets start flying people will scatter. 99% of the time if you use a concealed weapon it will be within 10 feet. I can assure you getting hit with a 38 special hollow point (even the cheap Wal-mart stuff) will turn your attacker the other way. Get a hammerless gun that can handle +P ammunition. Purchase a good home defense load and it will give you the knockdown.

If you do want superior knockdown in a small weapon and have the money go buy a Glock in the 45 gap caliber. These can be purchased in small, medium to large frame. If you have large hands you may want to go with the medium frame. Snag free, easy to conceal and reliable. Sure it may cost you around $500 for a new one but if it saves your life could you put a price on that? Many people pay that much every month to 6 months for health or life insurance.

If you have a Glock you can use if for concealed personal-defense, target practice and home defense.

If you have some extra money get a Glock, if you are on a tight budget get a hammerless Taurus 38 special and a box of self defense loads.








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Old July 7th, 2006 #8
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What would be a good small firearm for women to carry? I am sure that the women who read this forum and are interested in self-defense would appreciate some information in this area.
 
Old July 7th, 2006 #9
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In addition to all the previous advice, I'd like to add that you can finder smaller versions of most of the standard service pistols in real calibers (9mm/40S&W/45ACP/357SIG) , and in some cases they are equal in size and lighter than small pistols like the Walther PPK. The SIG Sauer P239 is small and very easy to shoot, and can be found in all of the above, excluding .45. The smaller Glocks are all excellent as well. But remember to get the pistol that fits your hand the best.

Also, I have read that with modern ballistics tecnology, 9mm/40/45 perform almost identically, on testing gelatin at least.

ETA: The Browning Hi-Power is a very shootable pistol that also carries well because of the slim frame and relatively short grip. It's chambered in 9mm and is well worth checking out.
 
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what are the advantages, if any of a revolver?
If you have a misfire with a revolver just pull the triger again;
with an auto you will have to eject the defect round by hand.
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Old July 8th, 2006 #11
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It depends upon your proficiency with semi-autos. If you're not that familiar with them you might want to get a .38, because if you have an auto and get a stovepipe or failure to feed or something and you don't know the drill, you're in trouble. It takes some work to become proficient with semi-autos on your own.

There are some good loads in .38, like Glasers which are very effective. The old 158-grain semi-wadcutter hollowpoint in +P is good, or some of those wazoo +P hollow points--can't remember which.

I don't think I'd want to risk it with just five or six rounds though.

There used to be a 2-inch in .44 cal that Charter Arms made. I'm sure Son of Sparta remembers.

Yeah, if anyone has a .32, make sure you use regular hard ball, because at least they'll penetrate. This has been studied before. .32 hollow points don't penetrate for shit. If I had to defend myself with a .32 I'd empty the clip.

Anyway, there are plenty of good little 9mm autos now.
 
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I'd recommend a trusty S & W 38 Special. I think the average gun battle is around 3 or 4 rounds, so a 15 round clip isn't a big plus unless you subscribe to the "pray and spray" method. Automatics are fun to shoot but as far as betting my life on one, no thanks.
 
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Nobody wants to comment on the .410 shotshell derringer, helloooo?
 
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I can comment on my BOND ARMS derringer. The Cowboy model w/no trigger guard. It is chambered for the 410 and 45 cal long colt. Not alot of grip to hold on to, but it's a very reliable, easy to conceal powerhouse. I generally keep two slugs in it. A 2 and a half inch shell in a 3 inch barrel. Nasty. I'm glad I haven't had to fire it in anger. I loaded it up with 45 long magnums once, it stung my hand so bad I was dancing, then everyone at the range had to try it. Once was enough.
 
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If you are going to do that why not get a 44 special by Taurus? It will shoot shot shells, which are equal to a 410, and you can shoot five instead of two. Also you can shoot regular ammunition. It is small and easy to conceal and handles great without the added recoil most small guns pack. It is good on double taps.

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Nobody wants to comment on the .410 shotshell derringer, helloooo?
Or you could buy a good Taurus. About 95% of the quality (in some cases better and you donít support S&Wís anti-American policies). It also has a warranty that is better than S&Wís. Only parts are warranted with S&W, however parts and labor are warranted with Taurus.
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The derringer is much easier to conceal than a revolver. Also, I have never seen a .44 sp shotshell, .44 mag yes, but never a .44 sp. That being said the .410 can also fire slugs and buckshot. I used to carry a .410/.45 derringer under my carseat as an anti-nigger device. One barrel I kept loaded with the buck, the other with a slug.

But a nice .44 revolver can't be beat for serious work. A 1911 in .45 ACP is also a good choice. No need to spray and pray if you can hit what you aim at.
 
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If you carry a handgun concealed -what is overall best choice -a snubby revolver, or a small auto -say in .32 or .380 caliber?
I like the flatness and compactness of the small auto myself..what are the advantages, if any of a revolver?
Easy to reload with a bag of bullets. No need for preloaded clips. Cheaper, with fewer moving parts and easier to clean.

And a lot better to play Russian Roulette with.
 
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Wal-Mart sells them in CCI they are listed as 44 Mag/Sp shotshells. Like the 38/357, you can shoot them in either gun.




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The derringer is much easier to conceal than a revolver. Also, I have never seen a .44 sp shotshell, .44 mag yes, but never a .44 sp.
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Only thing with those, it is little better than birdshot. Sure you might put an eye out but you are not going to have any stopping power at all. I would guess they are about a size 7 or 8 shot. Which is a quail, dove, skeet shot.
 
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I know this may not be a problem to some people here but in the sticks shotshells are great for snakes and such. Especially if you work around older houses like I do you run across the occasional rat and they kill with the first shot and donít do any damage or go to far.

A good Glaser round is nice if you want the shotshell type.


I just saw you are in Kentucky also. Shotshells should be good for you as well.


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Only thing with those, it is little better than birdshot. Sure you might put an eye out but you are not going to have any stopping power at all. I would guess they are about a size 7 or 8 shot. Which is a quail, dove, skeet shot.
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