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Old July 26th, 2012 #81
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Holohoax revisionism attracts much more intense hostility than other forms of Jew-criticism. I know that this is the case, because I used to make frequent attempts to get radio stations to have either Dr. Pierce or Ernst Zundel as a guest, or to sell airtime to them, and Dr. Pierce was a much easier sell, despite the fact that Zundel is completely mild-mannered. People in broadcasting know what will get them targeted for serious trouble, and "Holocaust Denial" is at the top of the list. With the logic of a paranoiac, Jews prefer the Jew-hater to the man who tries to show them that their fears are exaggerated.

While manifesting an aversion to Holocaust revisionism, Greg Johnson seems to be completely comfortable with Dr. Pierce's old essays on his blog. Johnson is acting in accord with what organized Jewry finds relatively acceptable. If his motivation were an aversion to any association with people who use violent rhetoric, he would not carry Dr. Pierce's essays. If his motivation were to focus on what ordinary White people find easier to accept, likewise he would be more likely to give space to some mild-mannered revisionists than to Dr. William Piece, who can be a little bit scary The Jewish order of preference would be counterintuitive to most White people, and so would the editorial preferences of Greg Johnson. Johnson is accommodating not the preferences of ordinary White people but the preferences of organized Jewry.

Johnson does this probably not because of any sinister motive on his part but because it is easier.

Actually, it does get a little bit sinister, insofar as he is trying to proselytize his weakness to others, most likely so that he can appear justified and correct in his aversion instead of simply weak.

I don't want to increase traffic to Greggy's blog but it happens that he has posted there some reminiscences of his extremely limited familiarity with Dr. William Pierce, including this passage:

Some time later, on April 22, 2000, I purchased The Turner Diaries and Hunter from Dent Myers at his Wildman’s Shop in Kennesaw, Georgia. Frankly, I found them repulsive, The Turner Diaries in particular. Pierce may have been inspired by National Socialism, but his model of revolution was pure Lenin and his model of government pure Stalin. If he had the power, he would have killed more people than Lenin, Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot combined. He epitomizes everything about the Old Right model that I reject: one party politics, totalitarianism, terrorism, imperialism, and genocide. At the time, I remarked that as a novelist and political theorist Pierce was a first rate physicist. I regarded him as a monster.

I remember when I first read The Turner Diaries. I myself was shocked by the violence in it, but at the same time, I understood the point of it. Dr. Pierce was trying to convey that it's a harsh world and that we have to man up. Greg Johnson evidently didn't sympathize with that message at all. That's revealing.

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Old July 27th, 2012 #82
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Hadding is a dweebish type, which explains his inability to understand how the world actually works in relation to our cause. That is true. But in his badger hole, he's quite formidable. On his strong points, which are the factual fine points of Nazi/Holocaust/historical/Covington/NA stuff, he's very strong, and those are the ones you're trying to beat him on. I believe most people will perceive he got the better of the exchange.

Here's a nature video about a badger narrated by one of Greg Johnson's associates at Counter-Currents.

I know it's not a proper badger. Close enough.

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Old July 27th, 2012 #83
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Johnson is accommodating not the preferences of ordinary White people but the preferences of organized Jewry. Johnson does this probably not because of any sinister motive on his part but because it is easier.
Good points. Johnson could be the poster boy for CODOH and their effeminate style of milquetoast "revisionism.”


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Actually, it does get a little bit sinister, insofar as he is trying to proselytize his weakness to others, most likely so that he can appear justified and correct in his aversion instead of simply weak.
Even worse than proselytizing, he's claiming the moral high ground. Claiming that he is "honorable and good," claiming that the real fighters are "kooks," fancying himself as being in an exclusive inner circle (along with Mark Weber!) and trying to position himself as a "revisionist policeman." (And that is the same attitude that the "moderators" at CODOH have. The censorship that goes on there is simply incredible.)

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I understood the point of it. Dr. Pierce was trying to convey that it's a harsh world and that we have to man up. Greg Johnson evidently didn't sympathize with that message at all. That's revealing.
Revealing indeed. Greg Johnson's cowardice is palpable. One has to be a man in order to "man up." And Johnson is obviously not a man.

One other point. Seeing the influence that the coward and traitor Mark Weber has had on other "revisionists" like Johnson is further proof that he must be driven out of his position at the IHR.

Weber should be looked at as a legitimate threat to White interests.
 
Old July 27th, 2012 #84
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Revisionism to me is about discounting the entire thing as a fraud and a lie. Saying 5,999,999 G-d's Chosen died instead of 6 million doesn't make somebody a revisionist. The whole gas chambers, mobile gassing vans and crematoria nonsense needs to be exposed as a hoax.

That Himmler book couldn't come at a worse time. More and more young people, people my age, in their teens and twenties, are questioning the HolyHoax. Ceding 3.5 million gassed G-d's Chosen could cripple the movement for decades.
 
Old July 27th, 2012 #85
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Revisionism to me is about discounting the entire thing as a fraud and a lie. Saying 5,999,999 G-d's Chosen died instead of 6 million doesn't make somebody a revisionist.
Exactly. But that is what "revisionism" is about these days.

It's the kind of "revisionism" that is being pushed by the frauds at Inconvenient History and protected by the censors at CODOH.

As an example, there are at least three pukes at Inconvenient History (Kues, Dalton and Widmann) who espouse that "many thousands" (at least 100,000) of jews died en route to and while at Belzec, Chelmno, Sobibor and Treblinka and are currently buried in “huge mass graves” at said sites. But when they are challenged (just like our cowardly friend Greg Johnson was challenged,) to defend their claims by answering some simple questions, they cravenly and steadfastly refuse and, at CODOH, the questioners are harassed, censored and banned from CODOH.

Here is an example. (I do not have a screenshot to prove this, so you will have to take my word and my memory as being true.)

In the last post of this thread:

http://forum.codoh.info/viewtopic.ph...=6924&start=15

Richard Widmann makes the following statement about his fellow milquetoast "revisionist" Thomas Dalton:

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Here he says "many thousands" and does not identify an exact number. He similarly notes that many of those "in-transit" to the camp would have arrived dead - which is in agreement with my own thesis.
Now I can't remember who made the post or what the EXACT question was, but someone asked Widmann something like this:

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What is your thesis as to what happened to those "many thousands" of alleged dead jews at Treblinka?
The question was very simple, direct, to the point, relevant, non offensive and very much on topic - BUT - it was deleted by the CODOH censors.

That is but one example of what happens at CODOH a lot. These bone throwers make claims about tens and even hundreds of thousands of jew deaths in the holohoax and yet they not only refuse to defend their positions, their thesis' and claims are protected by the CODOH censors.

So the term "revisionist" is not only a derogatory term in the first place, but it has lost any real meaning that it once may have had. But of course, no self-respecting historian would call themselves a “revisionist” in the first place. (Why would anyone in their right mind use a derogatory word to describe themselves that is also used by the jews - effectively - to demonize and discredit?)
 
Old July 27th, 2012 #86
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Some time later, on April 22, 2000, I purchased The Turner Diaries and Hunter from Dent Myers at his Wildman’s Shop in Kennesaw, Georgia. Frankly, I found them repulsive, The Turner Diaries in particular. Pierce may have been inspired by National Socialism, but his model of revolution was pure Lenin and his model of government pure Stalin. If he had the power, he would have killed more people than Lenin, Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot combined. He epitomizes everything about the Old Right model that I reject: one party politics, totalitarianism, terrorism, imperialism, and genocide. At the time, I remarked that as a novelist and political theorist Pierce was a first rate physicist. I regarded him as a monster.
A monster? Good lord. I have trouble believing Johnson truly regarded him that way. Would you post a monster's essays without criticism on your site? That doesn't make sense.

Johnson is doing what they all do: making what we should do identical with what he wants to do: the politics of the personal comfort zone. He wants to write essays, publish translations, publish books, raise funds, and hold salons. He tells himself that we can win by creating some fresh cultural wave that drowns our enemies. We create a New Right (sorry to all of you cons already using that term), and we create a rebirth of racialism on the left too...and somehow we sweep into power. Not through an actual leader and party, that would be Leninist. Through mere cultural propagation. No mention of our opponent owning all the politicians, the mass media, and the academic system, we are going to defeat these bad boys with translations of obscure European fascists and 5,000-word exegeses of the latest "Batman" movie. James Holmes had a more reasonable plan.

What Johnson is doing with Counter-Currents is quite valuable. It's just that his pretense that it's going to propagate some cultural tsunami with no recourse to actual icky politics is wrong, not to say ridiculous. We're sitting here watching daily how it's done by Golden Dawn in Greece. What more do we need? That's how it's done. No new philosophy (Majority Rights) or cultural shift (Counter-Currents) is needed: just solid NS-proven tactics.

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I remember when I first read The Turner Diaries. I myself was shocked by the violence in it, but at the same time, I understood the point of it. Dr. Pierce was trying to convey that it's a harsh world and that we have to man up. Greg Johnson evidently didn't sympathize with that message at all. That's revealing.
I don't think anyone could like Turner Diaries. It is a disturbing book, frightening even - even if you agree with him, as I obviously do. But it is undeniably heavy. In a way that Covington's novels, so beloved of Johnson, are not. They are almost fruity in how bubbly the characters are, given the situation, although they are certainly enjoyable escapism. Pierce's work has a gravitas befitting a genocidal struggle, and no other WN novel has come even close to it except Raspaille's Camp of the Saints. Raspaille is a better artist than Pierce, by a long stretch, but both books are about equally heavy, in that they impress and linger.

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Old July 27th, 2012 #87
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Even if you were going to change the culture, how are you going to do that? The Amish way, and totally withdraw? Ok...but Johnson wants to influence masses of others, not hide out in the woods. Anyone watching/reviewing as many movies as CC does is obviously for engagement. So then you want to change the culture by engaging its products, but your enemy owns the tv system. That's 'culture' to about 99% of the country. How are your bottom-up efforts going to have any effect against the mass media? At most they will attract and instruct a minority. Granted, a valuable minority. But not enough people to produce real change. To me, this is self-evident.

All of our talking online must culminate in a non-virtual political movement or we've wasted our time.

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Old July 27th, 2012 #88
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How about someone gives those of us who don't follow revisionism that closely a thumbnail history of CODOH? Who started it, what was their purpose, if not what the names suggests, and how was it taken over, if that's what you think has happened? What are its future prospects?
 
Old July 27th, 2012 #89
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Hunter Morrow:

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Revisionism to me is about discounting the entire thing as a fraud and a lie. Saying 5,999,999 G-d's Chosen died instead of 6 million doesn't make somebody a revisionist.
Here is another example of the "revisionism" you see and is defended at CODOH:

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90,000 is a far cry from the nearly 800,000 usually quoted [at Treblinka], so I would say this is quite a revision in the literal sense of the word.
http://forum.codoh.info/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=6924

"Revisionism" now means that if you claim a lower number of of jew deaths in the holohoax, even though you cannot prove / defend that lower number any more than the jews could prove / defend their absurdly high numbers, then you have "revised" the number and therefore are a "revisionist."

It appears that the CODOH censors want to make "revisionism" more of a "Big Tent" kind of thing.

Isn't that special.
 
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Here is a note about CODOH founder Bradly Smith:

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Bradley Smith / CODOH / Dying of Cancer

It has been brought to my attention by another member that Bradley Smith, the founder of the holocaust denial forum & website CODOH had a stroke recently and his cancer has returned.

"I have cancer again. The lymphoma is back. Did the first chemotherapy session at the VA a week ago".

How am I feeling? Well, I’m doing chemo-therapy for the cancer, and last week I had a stroke.”

http://www.codoh.com/library/document/1688
http://www.skepticforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=18486


My understanding is Smith hasn't had much to do with the CODOH forum for a long time. I figured something was up with him because he hadn't put out one of his megalomaniac / money begging "Smith Reports" in some time.
 
Old July 27th, 2012 #91
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Even if you were going to change the culture, how are you going to do that? [...]So then you want to change the culture by engaging its products, but your enemy owns the tv system. That's 'culture' to about 99% of the country. How are your bottom-up efforts going to have any effect against the mass media? At most they will attract and instruct a minority.
What I've been saying. Masses are beyond our reach (except in a very limited way). First you build a cadre of fanatics; then, later, you might have a basis for efforts to reach and influence the multitude.

Go for the valuable minority. But if you want a valuable minority dedicated to radical change, you won't get it with an unduly moderate message. You need a righteously radical message that a critical mind can respect and advocate. You need to be able to demonstrate that truth is on your side.

If it's a real clarion call, it should even have some effect on the thinking of some people in positions of influence (e.g. Pat Buchanan and Christopher Hitchens in regard to Holocaust revisionism). Lenin said that revolution begins with a division in the establishment.

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Old July 27th, 2012 #92
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Hadding, would you care to respond to Johnson's attack on you:

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But revisionism is not enough, because even if revisionists expose every lie ever told about the Holocaust, a lot of Jews STILL died in WW II at the hands of the Germans and their allies -- and honest revisionists admit that…

The sort of revisionist arguments being shopped around by Hadding Scott that allow him to say "serenely" that "the Holocaust did not happen," that "zero people died in the Holocaust," etc., are premised on verbal slight of hand. He stipulates that the Holocaust was the attempt to kill every Jew on the planet, and since the Germans obviously were not trying to do that, there was no Holocaust. Or, the Holocaust means killing Jews in gas chambers, and since that did not happen, there was no Holocaust. He even claims that the world's most famous Holocaust victim, Anne Frank, was not a Holocaust victim because she did not die in a gas chamber or Hitler was not trying to kill every Jew. Sensible people look at arguments like that and ask: "But what about the big pile of Jews that revisionists admit actually died?" Aren't they "Holocaust enough" for whites to feel guilt and self-hated?

Hadding is an autistic flim-flam man, or to use Alex's phrase, a socially-awkward detail stickler. No rational person is fooled by that nonsense. The fact that this kind of sophistry is being peddled by revisionists puts the whole enterprise under a cloud of suspicion. I know there are honorable and good people involved in revisionism, and they need to police the kooks so they do not ruin their credibility.
 
Old July 27th, 2012 #93
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What I've been saying. Masses are beyond our reach (except in a very limited way). First you build a cadre of fanatics; then, later, you might have a basis for efforts to reach and influence the multitude.
You can't get fanatics if you don't stick to principles. Ron Paul shows this fact in action. He has the young and angry. Because he says the same thing every fucking time. Unlike the other 99.9%. But when he departs from his principle to suck MLK ass, look what happens to his support. It dives. Which also proves the point. Pandering politicians don't attract fanatics, just what's-in-it-for-mes. That's why saying we should make our cause appealing is psychologically wrong - our cause is not just another democratic option, it is a matter of life or death. A cadre of fanatics, if it included professional military and intelligence capabilities, could sweep through the American right like butter. There is nothing hard on the right these days except the neocon jews. Everything else is mushy. A huge bloc of the population, white men, goes without representation. Who dares move into that backing? Who with professional ability and principled 'fanaticism'?

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Go for the valuable minority. But if you want a valuable minority dedicated to radical change, you won't get it with an unduly moderate message. You need a righteously radical message that a critical mind can respect and advocate. You need to be able to demonstrate that truth is on your side.
It matters less what your message is than that you stick to it, publicly, through time. You have to believe your own bullshit and be seen to believe it by the public. Then you are in position to attract genuine support. Particularly if your cause is hated and well-poisoned by the powers that be.

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If it's a real clarion call, it should even have some effect on the thinking of some people in positions of influence (e.g. Pat Buchanan and Christopher Hitchens in regard to Holocaust revisionism). Lenin said that revolution begins with a division in the establishment.
Look what Pat Buchanan could have done if he'd made a RACE wars rather than culture wars speech in '92. Look what Ron Paul could do if he added race to his money and Israel positions. Those are hints of what a genuine hard-core racialist could achieve. A division of the establishment would be like some prominent general coming out and starting an openly White party along the lines I've indicated. With absolutely none of the patriotard Constitutionalist bullshit, but purely making a racial appeal to white men.
 
Old July 27th, 2012 #94
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I think what Greg and others are more concerned about is real life, since their identities are known in real life, and the consequences to him and those he works with are real.

Imaginary battles conducted over the internet by anonymous critics demanding known people destroy themselves mean little.

Those demanding Greg or anyone else should deny the holocaust publicly, should first publish their own photos, real names and own work and home addresses, just to show they personally are prepared to run the same risks as he, Duke, Black, MacDonald and others do already.

Irving was a multimillionaire, world renowned author, and he by himelf all alone disproved the Holocaust in his libel trial, piece by piece, claim by claim, standing against the worlds foremost Holocaust experts.
That is more than his critics, or most holocaust revisionists, have ever done.

It resulted in his family life being destroyed, his being financially ruined, and his being imprisoned.
Not many will pay the price Irving paid, and he knew full well going in what it would cost him.
Irving is in Europe, and I'm pretty sure he does not want to go back to prison again, which he would do, if he did what anonymous internet critics urge him to do.
Since his critics know if he did what they urge, he would go to jail, its clear they want him to go to jail.
And since only Jews would benefit it he went to jail, its pretty clear his critics are knowingly acting to advance Jewish interests.
I suggest his critics consider how many millions of zogbucks they would be prepared to pay, and how long they would be prepared to go to prison, before calling him coward and traitor.
They talk the talk, safely, anonymously on the internet.
Irving walked the walk, in real life.

MacDonald is much the same. He could have remained silent about the Jews, made a fortune, and lived out his life in peace and comfort. Instead, he put it all on the line, and has not benefitted personally in any way. Same for Black, as if his making a couple hundred profit each month from SF is some monumental crime.

None of these people will ever live in peace, and face their opponents head on, every day, in real life.

If people won't say things themselves in public, then they should not attack others for not doing do.

It also never seems to occur to many that some people may have families in Europe, or travel to Europe, where holocaust denial has real consequences, such as imprisonment.

When people in real life who are active speak and act, they are known, and what they say and the people and groups that they associate with have consequences.

There are secessionist movements in around 28 US states, as well as numerous state sovereignty/state rights organisations.
There are numerous nationalist organisations across Europe. Most of these moved from being openly nationalist groups, into disguising themselves within and as religious denominations, through which they have built up political and economic power.

These all find life difficult enough, without taking on battles to rehabilitate Germany, which is what holocaust revisionism is about.

The holocaust is interesting, and a good example of how Jews lie, but not important.

The holocaust was disproven in a British High court during the Irving/Lipstad libel trial in 2000, where it was shown that there was no evidence whatsoever.
It was also shown in the Zundel trials and in numerous others to be false.
What evidence has been provided has been debunked, in court.
The key Witnesses have been shown to be lying, in court.

So the Holocaust has already been disproven, in court.

So what impact has that had? None. It simply didn't matter.

To see what Jews are like, one can simply look at the USSR, or Israel today. Europeans know what Jews are like. That's why across Europe they have been massacred and deported for all of history, as recently as WW 2.

Europeans have kicked Jews out numerous times, it is not difficult once there are no longer troops protecting them, and today those troops are US troops.

Most families in Europe lost family members killed by Germans or Russians, and are delighted to see Germany suffer.

Rehabilitating Germany is not something they want to do, they want revenge, which is why so many European countries simply do not care. The more Germans suffer, the better as far as they are concerned.

Disproving the holocaust is not in their interest, and 50 million dead, famines, epidemics, and dozens of nations and cities levelled to the ground are not easily forgotten.

Germany had waged several massive wars across Europe, as had France, the preceding century. The Catholics and Protestants have waged wars and devastated each others lands for over 500 years.

Eastern Europe and the Russians hate and blame Western Europe and the US for giving them to the communists. Communism has not gone. Most countries have communist parties still, as well as various parties spouting variations of communism.
Most of the old apparatchiks are still in power, having simply renamed their parties, or are still alive.

Without the colonies, Europe is overpopulated by about half, and cannot feed itself, nor does it have sufficient energy or raw materials for an industrial base.

So the options are that colonies will need to be retaken, which would mean war with the US which took over most of the mines Europeans had owned after WW2 as collateral for US loans to rebuild cities bombed by the US, or payment for "US aid", or the population will be reduced by several hundred million, which will only happen as a result of emigration or war.

The overpopulation of southern Europe has reached critical mass, and as many move to central and northern Europe, they in turn are causing overpopulation, infrastructural and and economic overload and collapse, and the governments are falling like dominoes.

The countries in Europe were cobbled together by the rulers after the Napoleonic wars and wars of German reunification which dominated the 1800's, and most will split apart like Jugoslavia given half a chance.

White Nationalism amongst most Whites is not about unity, its about division into ethno nationalist groupings, each with their own country, which they guard jealously against everyone else, knowing that their neigbours will rob and kill them given half a chance.

Greece has never been united, its always been city states and at its heyday, was over 200 city states.

At present Athens dominates the other city states which have not recovered financially from WW2, but once Athens power collapses, Greece will fall apart.

Golden Dawn itself is a new age party, which whilst its members may be genuine, is denying Greek history.

Greece is a place, not a state, like the US is a place, not a state.

The US consists of many states, and so does Greece, except that unlike in the US, states in Greece have had all power stripped from them, and are forced to bow to Athens, which many Greek states hate, and have warred with, for over 2500 years.

The situation in Greece, Germany etc is as if all US states had all legislative power taken from them, all their state incomes seized, all their borders dissolved, and all their rights stripped from them.

Canada is falling apart, and the US is balkanising, into majority White solvent and majority non White insolvent states.
As population pressures grow, we will see smaller states emerge, and centralised, federal ones collapse, and dissolve.
Most of the borders of countries today have existed less than 200 years, and most today are out of date.

As much as many try to deny it, if one looks at people across the US, its plain as day that the US iself is divided into various European groupings, and many states will divide and unite based upon ethnicity, disguised as religion. Most White states in the US will become much like Utah.

The imaginary holocaust of Jews 70 years ago is irrelevant.

The very real impending holocaust of Whites that is coming if the current US/EU system continues, is of greater concern.

Of all the white countries, Britain is in the best position. It controls around 18 million sq km's, with Britain, Australia, New Zealand and Canada politically and economically united, and via the Commonwealth where it dominates trade, finance and mining, dominates the mining industry across 20 percent of the world, the same way the US dominates the oil industry.

Unlike the US, most British companies are not based in London, nor quoted on the Stock Exchange, but are separate companies, run and financed by British with dual nationalities, and registered in the countries where they are situated.

Due to US domination of world trade and finance, Britain does not get to benefit much from these mines etc, as the lions share has to be trafficked through/sold via US networks, but should the US falter, these networks would be replaced almost instantly.

France too is on much the same position, where its mining corporations are also restricted, and it too would re-emerge in its old colonies if the US stumbles.

It's in Europes interest to have as much turmoil in the Middle East as possible, so the US gets bankrupted trying to put out the fires, just like the USSR collapsed due to bankruptcy.

If/when the US falls economically, all global and regional bodies, be they trade, military or legislative, ranging from the UN to NATO to the EU to the WTO, IMF and World Bank, all disappear.

WW 1 resulted in the fall of some European empires.
WW2 finished off the rest, and gave birth to the Chinese, Soviet and US empires, of which the Soviet has fallen, soon to be followed by the US and then Chinese.

Ours is likely to be the bridge generation between the time when the world was governed through three global empires, then none, then hypernationalism, then the re-emergence of the old European empires and colonies.

The more things change, the more they remain the same.

All of Europe, and the US, used to be like this.

Most of the NS uniforms, parades etc were adopted from the Austrian and Prussian Empires, which till WW1 ruled Germany between them, Frances parades and rallies and uniforms were even more glorious. NS lasted a dozen years. Other countries had global empires that lasted several hundred years. They don't need NS. They need US troops out of Europe.

This is how all Whites used to live and think. And will do so again.



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In the remote chance that Greg Johnson suddenly grows a pair of balls and finds the courage to rejoin this thread, I have a few more questions for him:

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The sort of revisionist arguments being shopped around by Hadding Scott that allow him to say "serenely" that "the Holocaust did not happen," that "zero people died in the Holocaust," etc., are premised on verbal slight of hand.
Really Greg? Well then, please answer these simple questions:


There are people who say, "serenely," that the alleged Chelmno "holocaust" did not happen. Do you agree or disagree?

If you disagree, then how many people died in this alleged "holocaust within the holocaust?"


There are people who say, "serenely," that the alleged Belzec "holocaust" did not happen. Do you agree or disagree?

If you disagree, then how many people died in this alleged "holocaust within the holocaust?"


There are people who say, "serenely," that the alleged Sobibor "holocaust" did not happen. Do you agree or disagree?

If you disagree, then how many people died in this alleged "holocaust within the holocaust?"


There are people who say, "serenely," that the alleged Treblinka "holocaust" did not happen. Do you agree or disagree?

If you disagree, then how many people died in this alleged "holocaust within the holocaust?"
 
Old July 27th, 2012 #96
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Those demanding Greg or anyone else should deny the holocaust publicly...
This is bullshit Hugh. In fact, it's an outright lie.

Nobody is demanding that Johnson deny the holocaust.

He was asked a very simple question:

"Greg, do you deny the holocaust?"

And he cravenly ran away from it (and other questions from Eric Hunt) like a scared little girl.

So your entire long-winded, rambling off topic post was based on a lie.

If Johnson doesn't have the balls to answer that question (and others), he has no right to fancy himself as an "honorable and good" policeman of "revisionism."

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The holocaust is interesting, and a good example of how Jews lie, but not important.
What a fucking retard. Really, what else is there to say to / about a liar who say's somthing so stupid?
 
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Nobody is demanding that Johnson deny the holocaust. He was asked a very simple question:"Greg, do you deny the holocaust?"
I assume you are deranged, since you ask him to deny the holocaust.

Torgs, please post your photo, full real name, work and residential addresses as well as contact telephone numbers, so that when you talk to people about being cowards, you can point to yourself as being the role model they should try to be like.

You will of course pay dearly for doing so, and probably be ruined as will your family, but since you advocate others who are publicly known experience that, you should lead the way.
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I assume you are deranged, since you ask him to deny the holocaust.
So what does the liar do when caught in a lie?

He tells the same lie again while calling me deranged for pointing out his lie.

You're a POS as well as a retard Hugh.
 
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I think what Greg and others are more concerned about is real life, since their identities are known in real life, and the consequences to him and those he works with are real.
Their price is already paid regardless of what they say about 'the' 'holocaust.' At least two of Johnson's critics in this thread are operating under their real name.

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Imaginary battles conducted over the internet by anonymous critics demanding known people destroy themselves mean little.
This isn't a debate about going public, we've had that elsewhere.

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Those demanding Greg or anyone else should deny the holocaust publicly, should first publish their own photos, real names and own work and home addresses, just to show they personally are prepared to run the same risks as he, Duke, Black, MacDonald and others do already.
MacDonald and Johnson are already public. They aren't maximizing their worth to the movement by playing along with Biggest Lie Ever. They are actually harming their mission. Whether they realize it or not. Obviously they don't, which is why such a strong reaction has arisen to Greg's article.

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Irving was a multimillionaire, world renowned author, and he by himelf all alone disproved the Holocaust in his libel trial, piece by piece, claim by claim, standing against the worlds foremost Holocaust experts.
That is more than his critics, or most holocaust revisionists, have ever done.
Apparently you didn't read what Johnson wrote. Irving never claimed to know a damn thing about gas chambers. Now apparently he's going to claim 3' million were gassed. Which is known to be false.

The fact is that Irving destroyed himself with his trial action against the stupid cunt Lipstadt. That's where he lost his money. Another thing that I've observed personally: he hates that he's been reduced to speaking only to WN, and, from what I could plainly see, he doesn't respect them. That's a strange, but typically English, way of looking at things. Hating the only people who support you when you're down, and caring only about the figure you cut in society. Sometimes you have to suffer. But Irving went weak in the knees. Again: typically English. Why are your people like that, Hugh? Your people have almost singlehandedly killed our race with your feckless treachery.

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Irving is in Europe, and I'm pretty sure he does not want to go back to prison again, which he would do, if he did what anonymous internet critics urge him to do. Since his critics know if he did what they urge, he would go to jail, its clear they want him to go to jail.
This is fucking stupid. Bee Gees "Jive Talking" rewritten as "ass talking." All the guy has to do is stay out of countries that would throw him in jail. That's pretty easy to do, and no one would blame him for avoiding the subject or only talking about it in America, where he goes on lecture tours seemingly yearly.

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MacDonald is much the same. He could have remained silent about the Jews, made a fortune, and lived out his life in peace and comfort. Instead, he put it all on the line, and has not benefitted personally in any way.
MacDonald lives in one of the nicest, most expensive areas in the entire world, has no children to worry about, has tenure, and makes probably $200k a year as a California state employee. But he did get a really nasty profile by the SPLC. He does get the cold shoulder from his colleagues. He will receive eternal credit for his "Culture of Critique," whether his theory about jews is right or not, but his welcoming of jew-lovers and jew-apologists into the movement is a serious misstep from someone many others look to for leadership, as is his statement that anyone who basically doesn't have the mindset and behavior of a Vdare conservative is not helpful and is going the wrong way. There's suffering and there's suffering, Hughbele.

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Same for Black, as if his making a couple hundred profit each month from SF is some monumental crime.
Agreed on that.

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If people won't say things themselves in public, then they should not attack others for not doing do.
1) These people are already out.
2) 'The' 'Holocaust' has been disproven.

Therefore all we're asking them to do is take an intellectually defensible position that aids their race, which is the cause they're supposed to be supporting. But if they can't do that, at least shut up about it. But they can't even do that - Johnson simply concedes it. His position is that if one jew died in WWII, the jews are justified in using the term. This is insanity. It is as bad politics as you can get. Neither Johnson nor MacDonald understand real politics, they understand only the faux politics of the fundraising set they're wrapped up in, the octopus around the Charles Martel Society, which is ultimately funded by a conservative foundation.

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These all find life difficult enough, without taking on battles to rehabilitate Germany, which is what holocaust revisionism is about.
Your English is showing. We've amply demonstrated that anyone who defends the white race will be called a Nazi, and tied to the 'holocaust.' There is no way around the fact that that charge must be dealt with. But you sorry English would like to see it conceded, regardless of the facts. The fact that the facts are actually on our side, as the fact-finders called revisionists show, doesn't interest you, and the reason it doesn't interest you is you STILL support the wrong side in WWII. You're typical English bigots of the kind that spent the 20th century making up atrocity propaganda at Germany, and you actually like it if, even though most of your own WWI big lies have been refuted, those of the communist jews in WWII still stand.

You put England ahead of the White race, Hugh, you're nothing but Nick Griffin lite. Go bulldogs! Go U Jackoffs! Ally with those commies! Help those jews! Kill the bad guys! Wogs begin at Calais, if you don't count London!

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The holocaust is interesting, and a good example of how Jews lie, but not important.

The holocaust was disproven in a British High court during the Irving/Lipstad libel trial in 2000, where it was shown that there was no evidence whatsoever.
It was also shown in the Zundel trials and in numerous others to be false.
What evidence has been provided has been debunked, in court.
The key Witnesses have been shown to be lying, in court.

So the Holocaust has already been disproven, in court.

So what impact has that had? None. It simply didn't matter.
What impact has any WN argument had? we supposed to just lay them aside. The holocaust is used every day of the year to beat up OUR CHILDREN in classrooms paid for with OUR MONEY. That alone means we must take it on. And we have the winning weapons. We just need men with balls to use them. Evidently Johnson and MacDonald are not those men. They should be. As hundreds of people are trying to tell them.

Have you ever seen Greg Johnson article that 95% didn't agree with in main? I have not. Well, in this case, the majority are against him. That's for one reason: he's wrong. Just because it would resuscitate "Germany" and I notice you didn't say "Nazi Germany," which shows your anti-German bigotry, you want to throw away the most powerful weapons we have for beating the enemy. And most of the people who say, ah forget it, just cede the 'holocaust' argument are English-descended. I can't help but notice that. Smart-guy, weakling conservatives. Losers.

Right in front of our face we see real men doing it right, down in Greece. Maybe they're lucky not be overburdened with great thinkers, eh? They're too dumb to know not to physically fight and treat the enemy with disrespect and hostility rather than politeness.

We've seen enough of your English way, Hugh. It has been a disaster for America. We are going a different way.
 
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This is bullshit Hugh. In fact, it's an outright lie.
Nobody is demanding that Johnson deny the holocaust.
He was asked a very simple question:
"Greg, do you deny the holocaust?"
What are you asking him to do here, Torgs?


And why haven't you posted your photo, full work and residential addresses, and contact numbers?
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